KingEbukasBlog:


Again , this is why I strongly believe most atheists are not smart . From the discussion above on naturalism , since natural selection is only interested in our survival and religion which was supposedly created by man aids our survival , why stand against this belief . From a naturalist position , you shouldn't care less if it is true since our cognitive faculties are wired for survival not attainment of truth , you should be concerned if it aids our survival and not if the belief is true or false .

And since it has proven to have aided and has continued to aid our survival , why stand against it as a naturalist ?

Its not your fault.

I expected much from you .now look at the vomit u posted up there.

plaetton:


Yes Indeed.
I recognize it.

There is a great disturbance in Force, or Farce , if you take his silly beliefs into consideration.

I expected much from him , but he showed me why he is ebuka. .

How will you say natural selection promotes religion

urahara:



Its not your fault.

I expected much from you .now look at the vomit u posted up there.

You are a complete joke .

KingEbukasBlog:


You are a complete joke .

Go and read the imbecilic statements you posted after that re-read it again, then go and sleep.

urahara:


Go and read the imbecilic statements you posted after that re-read it again, then go and sleep.

This should be your forte .

KingEbukasBlog:


This should be your forte .

Fame and fortune
It's not your forte
Bleep the world now
I'm done with pre-intimacy
Doctor's orders
Go Bleep yourself
Take two of these
In the morning,
Overdose,
And kill yourself
Doctor's orders

butterflyl1on:


Quoting Alvin Platinga

"naturalism cannot even be rationally affirmed. For if naturalism was true, the probability that our cognitive faculties would be reliable is pretty low. For those faculties have been shaped by a process of natural selection which does not select for truth but merely for survival. There are many ways in which an organism could survive without its beliefs’ being true. Hence, if naturalism were true, we could not have any confidence that our beliefs are true, including the belief in naturalism itself! Thus, naturalism seems to have a built-in defeater that renders it incapable of being rationally affirmed."

Well said !

I can bet my life on two things. The first is that you do not understand the meaning of the quote and secondly, Alvin Platinga, despite his intelligence, did not even really think out his conclusion in the quote.


Alvin Platinga seems not to understand some pitfalls to his arguments

1. Beliefs are not an inherited trait. One cannot necessarily tie the process of evolution to beliefs. It is more sensible to compare evolution/naturalism with instincts (and not beliefs).

2. Those with true beliefs (with regards to their immediate environment ) have a better chance of surviving than those with false beliefs. The caveat here is that not all beliefs affect survival.

superhumanist:



I can bet my life on two things. The first is that you do not understand the meaning of the quote and secondly, Alvin Platinga, despite his intelligence, did not even really think out his conclusion in the quote.


Alvin Platinga seems not to understand some pitfalls to his arguments

1. Beliefs are not an inherited trait. One cannot necessarily tie the process of evolution to beliefs. It is more sensible to compare evolution/naturalism with instincts (and not beliefs).

2. Those with true beliefs (with regards to their immediate environment ) have a better chance of surviving than those with false beliefs. The caveat here is that not all beliefs affect survival.

This does not contravene the rationale behind Platinga's quote . You are just talking about something different but not entirely . You are the one who does not understand the quote or its rationale . And you created a strawman which is fallacious .

superhumanist:

2. Those with true beliefs (with regards to their immediate environment ) have a better chance of surviving than those with false beliefs. The caveat here is that not all beliefs affect survival.

How do you know which belief is true or false and how does either increase your chances of survival ?

KingEbukasBlog:


This does not contravene the rationale behind Platinga's quote . You are just talking about something different but not entirely . You are the one who does not understand the quote or its rationale . And you created a strawman which is fallacious .

Please, if you want to behave like an ignorant troll, kindly do not quote me.

Almost all the numerous rebuttals to Platinga's argument point out those 2 pitfalls


Kindly do some research before you show your lacking capacity

superhumanist:



Please, if you want to behave like an ignorant troll, kindly do not quote me.

Almost all the numerous rebuttals to Platinga's argument point out those 2 pitfalls


Kindly do some research before you show your lacking capacity

You are not an intelligent person or someone I hold in high esteem , so I really shouldn't bother myself about what you think .

KingEbukasBlog:


How do you know which belief is true or false and how does either increase your chances of survival ?

What kind of trolling question is this?

Numerous examples have been given in many philosophy forums on this argument.

For example, if you have the belief that tigers are cuddly, you will surelymeet your doom if you act on that belief.


Please do some research

KingEbukasBlog:


You are not an intelligent person or someone I hold in high esteem , so I really shouldn't bother myself about what you think .

Going by this thread, many here think that you are a fool.

superhumanist:


What kind of trolling question is this?

Numerous examples have been given in many philosophy forums on this argument.

For example, if you have the belief that tigers are cuddly, you will surelymeet your doom if you act on that belief.


Please do some research

Like I expected , the "rebuttal" was obviously copied from some atheist website that's why you weren't able to defend it and had to tell me to do my own research .

superhumanist:


Going by this thread, many here think that you are a fool.

They are neither intelligent nor people I hold in high esteem , so their opinions are very irrelevant . Including yours of course like I previously stated .

KingEbukasBlog:


Like I expected , the "rebuttal" was obviously copied from some atheist website that's why you weren't able to defend it and had to tell me to do my own research .

Research is now copy and paste eh?

I laugh. As if Platinga's argument is infallible.

superhumanist:


Research is now copy and paste eh?

I laugh. As if Platinga's argument is infallible.

My problem is not actually with the source of your rebuttal but with your inability to defend the so-called pitfalls you discovered . It shows you just regurgitated whatever you saw there and this bespeaks of your vacuity .

KingEbukasBlog:


They are neither intelligent nor people I hold in high esteem , so their opinions are very irrelevant . Including yours of course like I previously stated .

But the fact is that you act like a foolish troll.

You have a special way of ignoring points that rebut your arguments.

KingEbukasBlog:


My problem is not actually with the source of your rebuttal but with your inability to defend the so-called pitfalls you discovered . It shows you just regurgitated whatever you saw there and this bespeaks of your vacuity .

Defend the pitfalls from what? Your ridiculous statement that I threw straw men?

superhumanist:



But the fact is that you act like a foolish troll.

And you are an unintelligent person which is a fact .

You have a special way of ignoring points that rebut your arguments.

Right there , you made claims that you were not able to defend . Joke's on you

superhumanist:



Defend the pitfalls from what? Your ridiculous statement that I threw straw men?

Then show me why it isn't a strawman and respond to my questions impugning these "pitfalls" you discovered .

KingEbukasBlog:


Then show me why it isn't a strawman and respond to my questions impugning these "pitfalls" you discovered .

How foolish. Why should I respond to your foolish accusation?

I pointed out simple flaws in Platinga's argument. You called it a strawman. Why the hell should I bother with your inability to comprehend?

superhumanist:


How foolish. Why should I respond to your foolish accusation?

I pointed out simple flaws in Platinga's argument. You called it a strawman. Why the hell should I bother with your inability to comprehend?

You have to prove these are actually flaws in the argument and I'm waiting for you to prove they are indeed flaws in the argument . But you've been throwing tantrums since then and I've been calm enough to direct the puerility back at you .

KingEbukasBlog:


You have to prove these are actually flaws in the argument and I'm waiting for you to prove they are indeed flaws in the argument . But you've been throwing tantrums since then and I've been calm enough to direct the puerility back at you .

I now know that you are mentally imbalanced. If you want a civil debate, then address the flaws that I pointed out in Platinga's argument.

After all, the flaws can be found on any philosophy site or forum dealing with the argument.

the ball is in your court. Keep in mind that you are the one looking foolish here because you havent done research on the matte.

superhumanist:


I now know that you are mentally imbalanced. If you want a civil debate, then address the flaws that I pointed out in Platinga's argument.

After all, the flaws can be found on any philosophy site or forum dealing with the argument.

the ball is in your court. Keep in mind that you are the one looking foolish here because you havent done research on the matte.

What is wrong with this fellow ?

Mister , you have to prove these are indeed flaws before I'll go ahead to refute them . Its becoming obvious you lack an understanding of the quote made by Plantinga .

Superhumanist , the copy and paste atheist who purports himself as a deist but has the beliefs of a pantheist . You claim the universe is God but does not understand that if the universe has an intrinsic conscious creative and divine force then the goal of natural selection wouldn't just be survival because the divine would logically be interested in the realization of truths one of which would be that within it is a conscious creative force orchestrating the formation or development of natural/material objects .

Please take urahara's place as the forum's ...

KingEbukasBlog:


What is wrong with this fellow ?

Mister , you have to prove these are indeed flaws before I'll go ahead to refute them . Its becoming obvious you lack an understanding of the quote made by Plantinga .

Superhumanist , the copy and paste atheist who purports himself as a deist but has the beliefs of a pantheist . You claim the universe is God but does not understand that if the universe has an intrinsic conscious creative and divine force then the goal of natural selection wouldn't just be survival because the divine would logically be interested in the realization of truths one of which would be that within it is a conscious creative force orchestrating the formation or development of natural/material objects .

Please take urhara's place as the forum's ...

I have been very busy lately so have no post or comment to waste on anyone who fails to understand what platinga said and would simply just type without proof of his brilliant analysis being flaws.

That guy is one of those whom my posts for now would not be wasted on.

butterflyl1on:


I have been very busy lately so have no post or comment to waste on anyone who fails to understand what platinga said and would simply just type without proof of his brilliant analysis being flaws.

That guy is one of those whom my posts for now would not be wasted on.

Thank God you didn't even comment sir . It would have been indeed a complete waste of time . He's a complete joke .

KingEbukasBlog:


How do you know which belief is true or false and how does either increase your chances of survival ?

Well if you believe , for example, that skydaddy is the only thing responsible for blessing believers with good harvest, then you would likely remain ignorant of good farming practices, and those that believe in biology and scientific methods for agriculture would most likely have more robust agricultural outputs, and mostly likely to survive than you and your clan of false believers.

Nigeria is a very good example.

plaetton:


Well if you believe , for example, that skydaddy is the only thing responsible for blessing believers with good harvest, then you would likely remain ignorant of good farming practices, and those that believe in biology and scientific methods for agriculture would most likely have more robust agricultural outputs, and mostly likely to survive than you and your clan of false believers.

Nigeria is a very good example.

There are cultures in Nigeria and abroad who believed supernatural beings were responsible for the propitious times of sowing and harvest and still had good farming practices and robust agricultural outputs . Are you denying this ? Since they have good farming practices and robust agricultural outputs , does this validate their belief that supernatural beings were responsible for propitious times of sowing and harvest ?

KingEbukasBlog:


There are cultures in Nigeria and abroad who believed supernatural beings were responsible for the propitious times of sowing and harvest and still had good farming practices and robust agricultural outputs . Are you denying this ? Since they have good farming practices and robust agricultural outputs , does this validate their belief that supernatural beings were responsible for propitious times of sowing and harvest ?

False.
And we can easily test that.

You can make sacrifices to your god, and let me use scientific agricultural methods, and let us see who produces surplus and better crops.

There is a good reason why despite using a greater percentage of our lands for agriculture, we still do not produce enough to make food abundant and cheap, compared to smaller countries that we import food products from.

KingEbukasBlog:


There are cultures in Nigeria and abroad who believed supernatural beings were responsible for the propitious times of sowing and harvest and still had good farming practices and robust agricultural outputs . Are you denying this ? Since they have good farming practices and robust agricultural outputs , does this validate their belief that supernatural beings were responsible for propitious times of sowing and harvest ?

Very false!

butterflyl1on:


I have been very busy lately so have no post or comment to waste on anyone who fails to understand what platinga said and would simply just type without proof of his brilliant analysis being flaws.

That guy is one of those whom my posts for now would not be wasted on.

The same Platinga's argument that has been rebutted endlessly.

keep trolling with your alternate self. Kingebukasblog