MuttleyLaff:
Bro, I reciprocate
but still standing at attention, may I ease and fall out?

Ease sir.....you've have been standing for too long but now, stand in the liberty wherein Christ has made us free + having done all, stand in the finished works of Christ.

The things you teach God's people and invest your time into, you and the likes like me should be the one receiving tithe but unfortunately our teaching won't allow us....because we don't hv the Commandment to receive tithe....

Well, you may be in line but seriously you need to attune your disposition a little bit. The writers of the Bible were Jews who came out of that law of tithing. They chose their words correctly so as not to cause any dissension or misconstrued interpretation. Tithing was actually giving, but giving by obligation, to a designated recipient, a required measure, and a penalty was attached to defaulters. Using the word tithing synonymously with giving is contrasting if we go into detail. The writers of the Bible understood the sense in the two words clearly and never mixed them. One might expect them to have used it giving that it was a more popular choice.
One might decide whatever percentage of his will to give in his heart but clearly, tithing is obliterated and cannot be categorized.

MuttleyLaff:
Any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing was nailed to the stake with Jesus.

The law of Christ typifies FREEDOM,
and his includes freedom from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

No, I disconcur with your statement.
Correctly, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

It is nowhere written in the Bible, to say exactly how much must be given or must be done.

It however, is written, that, without prejudice, you give how much you have decided in your heart,
that you give what you are pleased with and won't be sorrowful about it at the end of or after the giving

The percentage you give is not fixed or stipulated.
You can decide to give 1%,
Or decide to give 10% today, as in 10% equals a tenth or tithe.
Decide to give half or 50% tomorrow,
Decide to give all or 100%, the following day.
Decide to give nothing or 0% another day
Decide to give 1% again some other day

As we can see, there is nothing fixed.
Giving is not cast in a 10% or tithe stone.
Anyone that tells you different,
has either an incomplete or low understanding of how this freedom of giving works
and probably doesn't appreciate the revolutionary way of giving for the purpose of the Kingdom

Believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

Anyone giving imposed tithing is practising a religion that God our Father doesnt accept as pure and faultless

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

Sagacity07:
Come I thought you were a christian with a genuine desire to learn.....

Naa fight....Abeg no even reply again...

I dont do those kinds of fights, all I tried messaging you, was to stick to the thread's subject matter so not derail the thread

I said go open a new thread for this and be still... typing on, there
because I wont be responding to you on here, on any matter, you further type concerning it

Open a new thread to showcase your "AT A POINT FALLEN ANGELS HAD SEX WITH HUMANS" learnings and then mention or invite me

lovingJehovah:
Well, you may be in line but seriously you need to attune your disposition a little bit

I have made distinctions between Levitical tithing and the ecclesiastical tithe
We cant run away from the fact,
that if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money, I technically have given a tithe, albeit it isnt/wasnt imposed

lovingJehovah:
The writers of the Bible were Jews who came out of that law of tithing.
They chose their words correctly so as not to cause any dissension or misconstrued interpretation

Brother which tithing are you refering to here please?
What and/or whom, is this tithing, you are concerned with, relating to?

lovingJehovah:
Tithing was actually giving, but giving by obligation, to a designated recipient, a required measure, and a penalty was attached to defaulters.

What is wrong is giving by obligation, to a designated recipient,
who is under the guise of being a Levite, a regularly required 10% of financial measure,
and of which penalties like threat of curses, ostracizations, denial of rights and/or privileges etcetera is attached to non-payers and defaulters

Read below too

lovingJehovah:
Using the word tithing synonymously with giving is contrasting if we go into detail.
The writers of the Bible understood the sense in the two words clearly and never mixed them

All tithings are a form of giving
but not all giving are a tithe or tithing
Giving could be 10% today, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
Giving could be 50% next month, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are trusted to know to do the right thing

10% is a fraction of 100, which tithe incidentally is
however if on your own accord, you decide to give 10% of your money,
this is not classed as tithing that is obligatory or imposed because it is willingly given

Observe that, Matthew Chapter 23, which is the only place in the bible, where & when Jesus ever mentioned tithing, has 7 woe curses in it
No one needs to be reminded of what the symbolic representation, meaning and/or significance of the number 7 in the bible is.

So suffice to say, one will be placing the woe curse upon self, if one willingly accept ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.
Also, the woe curse betide, anyone, guilty by association, in cahoots, with anyone accepting ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.

lovingJehovah:
One might expect them to have used it giving that it was a more popular choice.
One might decide whatever percentage of his will to give in his heart but clearly, tithing is obliterated and cannot be categorized.

What was obliterated was tithing that is obligatory or imposed

Brother please advise, is a one-tenth part of something or 10 out 100 things, not technically a tithe?

I have made distinctions between Levitical tithing and the ecclesiastical tithe
If you can comfortably back this up with a biblical reference I will be more than delighted.
Brother please advise, is a one-tenth part of something or 10 out 100 things, not technically a tithe?
Tithe is a tenth part, or 10 percent, given or paid as a tribute, especially for religious purposes so it is not about the percentage given, but the value or reason behind it.
Brother which tithing are you refering to here please?
What and/or whom, is this tithing, you are concerned with, relating to?
The Bible only spoke of one tithing that we all know of. If there are several you may refer me to the Bible verses that support that. Tithing was a law for the Jews to provide for the Levites or priests and not for Christians. The book of Hebrews say that it is now useless according to some translations. Jesus is now our priest and so it is obliterated.
What is wrong is giving by obligation, to a designated recipient,
Not only. If you want to keep the law, you must keep the whole and not cherry-pick James 2:10.
In a nutshell, I can deduce that you are trying to incorporate the Mosaic law into the Christ's law but then redefining it while the vestiges of the Mosaic law are retained.
Something you fail to sharpen is that the word itself carries a weighty yoke that Christians cannot tote. Tithing is dead with the law and a period comes after that. Polishing or redefining it breeds misconstrued interpretations of the message in the Bible.
Is it difficult for you to let go of the word, "tithing" than trying to breathe a new life into it?
I want you to consider this, the apostles or the Bible writers have better understanding of the law and the Christ, so if they chose to call the law(tithing) obliterated or useless, who are we?
It was completely NAILED to the stake. There are no fragments left. What we have now is GIVING. These two words are distinct and that is the Bible's message

MuttleyLaff:
I have made distinctions between Levitical tithing and the ecclesiastical tithe
We cant run away from the fact,
that if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money, I technically have given a tithe, albeit it isnt/wasnt imposed

Brother which tithing are you refering to here please?
What and/or whom, is this tithing, you are concerned with, relating to?

What is wrong is giving by obligation, to a designated recipient,
who is under the guise of being a Levite, a regularly required 10% of financial measure,
and of which penalties like threat of curses, ostracizations, denial of rights and/or privileges etcetera is attached to non-payers and defaulters

Read below too

All tithings are a form of giving
but not all giving are a tithe or tithing
Giving could be 10% today, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
Giving could be 50% next month, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are trusted to know to do the right thing

10% is a fraction of 100, which tithe incidentally is
however if on your own accord, you decide to give 10% of your money,
this is not classed as tithing that is obligatory or imposed because it is willingly given

What was obliterated was tithing that is obligatory or imposed

Brother please advise, is a one-tenth part of something or 10 out 100 things, not technically a tithe?

I got this good perspective of the whole hullabaloo about tithing. I am convinced that the arguments for no tithing is a raging war from the pit of hell. Read for your lessons.

This is the best illustration of Tithing I have read In ages

“When you go to church today and feel the AC blowing through your wig into your skull, know that you are eating out of your tithe.…when the bass guitarists, the keyboardist and other guys on the drums are delivering some good music during praise and you’re dancing everywhere and removing your coat, uncle they pay those guys working for God, know that you are eating out of your tithe. … Most Sundays you don’t go to church because you depend on nepa to iron your cloths, it is the same thing in the house of God, we don’t depend on NEPA to power the church, we pay for fuel and diesel, so when you go to church today and enjoy uninterrupted worship, know that you are eating out of your tithe.… If you go to church to charge your phones and you grudge about tithe, well, your case is different. … When we invite Pst Nathaniel Bassey to lead you in worship to our God, it is not his trumpet he will eat when he goes back home after ushering the Holy Ghost into your life with his ministration, it is not halleluyah challenge his landlord will eat, we give them minister’s gifts to support the work God is also doing through them, it is the meat that you have stored in God’s house that we use to feed them. So when Travis Greene comes from the UK to raise the roof in praise and worship dance very well because it is your tithe. " Who deserves to live in lekki? The pastor that feeds you daily with God’s word or Timaya that adds nothing to your Christian faith? Who deserves to drive the best cars? Your pastor glorifying God or Iyanya winding waist with naked women glorifying mammon? One witch somewhere will just be vexing for nothing that we are giving to advance the kingdom, you grudge when asked to donate to a church project, you grudge when asked to pay tithe, you think it’s your squeezed 50naira that makes you comfortable in worship at church? Witches campaigning for people not to pay tithe to God when they cheerfully pay Millions for a table for 5 at AY shows. Witches!!!”
"The right perception to tithing"
(Please pause and read this)
I have tried so hard to avoid this tithing or no tithing debate, but It will be so ungrateful of me to keep quiet and watch some folk misunderstand a principle that gives me great peace.
I'm not going to quote a single scripture to defend this, if the Bible is too deep for us to understand, then maybe it is time we try common sense.
We don't tithe because we want to receive from God, we don't tithe to buy God's blessings, it is not a give and take something, it is not a trade by batter principle. God's blessings and favours comes upon us in a million amazing ways without giving a penny, most times the blessings we hardly take notice, He just loves us, unconditionally, whether we are giving to Him or not. He gave us Jesus without our consent, He sent His son at a time when we least deserved it, that's how much He has been giving to us without asking anything back in return.
I don't care about being under law, under grace or under mercy, I just love the Lord with all my heart, and with all that is within me. I give back a tenth of all that He gives to me not in an attempt to provoke Him to do more, but to maintain my local assembly. I tithe to ensure that there is meat in His house. I understand that it is His duty to maintain the spiritual needs of His house, but since He has given me the capacity to contribute to the physical and material needs of His house, I WILL.
It will be an insult to go to church one day and learn that pastor couldn't come because he went to work so he can pay his children's school fees. I tithe to make sure that my pastor's sermons are not influenced by hunger and lack.
It gives me great joy to know that my tithe contributes to the salaries of the staffs working night and day in God's house.
I tithe to ensure that God's properties are protected while I sleep very well in my house. I don't want to come back next service day to learn that thieves have stolen the church microphones and generator because we cannot hire security guards to keep watch.
If driving a good car helps my pastor spread the gospel across many towns and cities, I will tithe for him to buy a private jet so that he can fly everywhere and spread the gospel faster.
I tithe to maintain His house.
I tithe to finance the gospel.
I refuse to allow the under law and under grace debate make God look complicated to me. The Levite priests did not have electricity problem in their time, bad roads and traffic was not a problem to spreading the gospel, yet God's people were still giving to maintain God's house. It's still the same today, different scenarios.
If living in Lekki will make my pastor beat traffic and come early for service I will tithe for him to buy a house there. If living in banana island will make him accessible to God's people I will tithe to make it happen.
I tithe so that the generator will never lack diesel. I tithe because it will be uncomfortable for me to worship God in the hot heat with someone who has body odour, I tithe for God's house to have a good AC.
I tithe to enjoy the same quality of music people enjoy in the clubs and bars. I tithe for the church to have a good sound system. I tithe for the church to afford professional instrumentalists and sound engineers to make my worship experience more exciting.
I tithe for the church to continue giving bobo and popcorn to our kids in the children's church.
If my tithe is helping the outreach department take care of the poor and needy I will keep tithing.
If my tithe contributes to the logistics that will fly Bishop TD Jakes down here to give me a different dimension of the Word, I will keep tithing.
If my tithe makes the gospel concerts and word conferences FREE, I will keep tithing.
I tithe not as a batter to receive, it is not a means of exchange, how much can i really pay? I tithe to keep His house running so that I can always run there to refill and recharge.
So whether it is old testament, new testament or future testament, it is our duty to maintain our local assembly, and this is why I tithe cheerfully.
The best news is that you cannot take care of God's house and live in lack. It all comes back to us in different ways, pressed down, shaken together, and rolling over.

It's just common sense guys, just common sense.

MuttleyLaff:
I have made distinctions between Levitical tithing and the ecclesiastical tithe

lovingJehovah:
If you can comfortably back this up with a biblical reference I will be more than delighted

Comfortably back what up with a biblical reference?
What exactly will you be more than delighted over?
Is it the Levitical tithe, that has countless biblical references
or is it the ecclesiastical tithe, that has non-biblical references?

MuttleyLaff:
Brother please advise, is a one-tenth part of something or 10 out 100 things, not technically a tithe?

lovingJehovah:
Tithe is a tenth part, or 10 percent, given or paid as a tribute, especially for religious purposes so it is not about the percentage given, but the value or reason behind it

I am vindicated then
because what you typed up there is ecclesiastical tithe

I earlier mentioned that ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members 10%, tenth, 1/10 or possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income.
Some christian gatherings, even have a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of the christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in the tithe ledger book.

Ecclesiastical tithe is performing something imposed and so consequently is a religious duty

I also said, trust me, if Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now, just for second, He will condem tithing
He will frown at ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income
He will ask:
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

MuttleyLaff:
Brother which tithing are you refering to here please?
What and/or whom, is this tithing, you are concerned with, relating to?

lovingJehovah:
The Bible only spoke of one tithing that we all know of.
If there are several, you may refer me to the Bible verses that support that

You dont prefer the Berean way, to find out any of these things yourself
SMH. You rather be spoon-fed.
Keep reading, further on, you'll know about all sorts of tithing, the Bible spoke of that is known of

lovingJehovah:
Tithing was a law for the Jews to provide for the Levites or priests and not for Christians

Yes, I concur with your statement because you're absolutely correct

You are talking about the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe, which God permitted to be given only to NOWS
(i.e. NOWS being an acronymn for No-inheritance Levites, Orphans, Widows and Strangers)

It was a type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

lovingJehovah:
The book of Hebrews say that it is now useless according to some translations.
Jesus is now our priest and so it is obliterated

Yes, I concur with your statement
because you're absolutely correct that any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing has been obliterated

MuttleyLaff:
What is wrong is giving by obligation, to a designated recipient,
who is under the guise of being a Levite, a regularly required 10% of financial measure,
and of which penalties like threat of curses, ostracizations, denial of rights and/or privileges etcetera is attached to non-payers and defaulters

Read below too,

lovingJehovah:
Not only. If you want to keep the law, you must keep the whole and not cherry-pick James 2:10

What are you on about?
Who is keeping which law? Where exactly has cherry-picking happened?
Are people, now, not allowed to FREELY decide to give at any time of their choice, a tenth of whatever financial standing they currently are?

lovingJehovah:
In a nutshell, I can deduce that you are trying to incorporate the Mosaic law into the Christ's law but then redefining it while the vestiges of the Mosaic law are retained

1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is voluntary tithe, which is not imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a contribution or donation

I have worked out, you dont appreciate or recognise the nuance in tithe or tithing,
which could be tithe demanded, taxed, obligatory or imposed

lovingJehovah:
Something you fail to sharpen is that the word itself carries a weighty yoke that Christians cannot tithe tote.
Tithing is dead with the law and a period comes after that

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

No, I disconcur with your statement, because it is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and the period that comes after is that which believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

Anyone giving imposed tithing is practising a religion, that God our Father doesnt accept as pure and faultless

Correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

The tithing subtle difference, which keeps getting lost on you, is the term obligatory or imposed

lovingJehovah:
Polishing or redefining it breeds misconstrued interpretations of the message in the Bible

Has this become an inconvenient truth to you
that people are permitted to FREELY, DECIDE to GIVE, a tenth of their financial standing, as a contribution or donation

lovingJehovah:
Is it difficult for you to let go of the word, "tithing" than trying to breathe a new life into it?

Is it difficult for you, to understand that the word, "tithing" had been, long before the existence of the Mosaic law
and continues to exist after the law about obligatory or imposed tithing was destroyed?

Is it difficult for you, to read and see in the Bible, that bible writers and God uses the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably?
I am more than happy to paste the bible references here, upon your request,
that's if you arent aware that bible writers and God uses the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably

So, if bible writers and God can use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably, what prevents me in doing same?
If I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money, I technically have given a tithe,
Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving it

lovingJehovah:
I want you to consider this, the apostles or the Bible writers have better understanding of the law and the Christ, so if they chose to call the law (tithing) obliterated or useless, who are we?
It was completely NAILED to the stake. There are no fragments left.

Let me reiterate, it is obligatory or imposed tithing that was obliterated and made useless.
FREELY, DECIDING to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a contribution or donation IS NOT obliterated and not useless

lovingJehovah:
What we have now is GIVING.
These two words are distinct and that is the Bible's message

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving
but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing
because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 10% today, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
Giving could be 50% next month, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

MuttleyLaff:


The only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which God permitted to be given only to NOWS
(i.e. NOWS being an acronymn for No-inheritance Levites, Orphans, Widows and Strangers)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below about this one

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. give a tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) are:
1) the Mesopotamia/Babylonian tithe, given at pagan temples to priest(s)
(note: extra biblical references will be provided upon request, similar with #3 below)
2) the type given upon the king's demand's (note: bible references will be provided upon request)
3) the type given to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

"For this reason I am sending you prophets and wise men and experts in the law,
some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town
- Matthew 23:34

Another tithe, not previously stated, is the ecclesiastical tithe
Any expert in the biblical law, or anyone for that matter, familiar with the biblical law, can attest that
this particular tithe was thought of, at a much later time, as it originally wasn't & never intended to be practised at all.

Ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members 10%, tenth, 1/10 or possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income.
Some christian gatherings, even have a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of the christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in the tithe ledger book.

If anyone, so wishes to tithe, as in give a tenth, 1/10, 10% or possibly 0.1 of your financial income, there is nothing wrong in that
but you'll be going down the wrong path, the moment you permit this practice to be imposed upon you as a religious duty

Ecclesiastical tithe is performing something imposed and so consequently is a religious duty

Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

Observe that, Matthew Chapter 23, which is the only place in the bible, where & when Jesus ever mentioned tithing, has 7 woe curses in it
No one needs to be reminded of what the symbolic representation, meaning and/or significance of the number 7 in the bible is.

Suffice to say, you'll be placing the woe curse upon yourself, if you willingly accept ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.
Also, the woe curse betide, anyone, guilty by association, in cahoots, with those accepting ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.

exactly.I noticed that when I ask people ok remove emotions and sentiments from whatever you feel about daddy freeze.why do you tithe.usual answers I get
1.so that God will bless me
2.so that God will send customers to my shop
3.so that my sales will increase
4.so that my prayers can be answered
5.so that God can heal me
6.so that I can be promoted

The underlining factors I see is usually self motives.

So I ask.if You had all these things you needed WILL YOU STILL GO TO CHURCH
WILL YOU STILL LISTEN TO YOUR PASTOR
WILL YOU STILL PAY TITHES?

A lot of people have turned God to a business man thinking God blesses you in accordance to your tithe.meanwhile God is not man that he rewards people according to their deeds.that is human nature.e.g if you don't work for me I cannot pay you or give you money.but then again I realize God blesses people who don't even worship him or believe in him

This is the way it works,God blesses your work and makes it FRUITFUL.God doesn't bless people not doing anything and paying tithes and then they think miraculously they will just open the door of their houses and find billions of naira.no that is God encouraging laziness.the blessing of God translates in making the efforts you put into work PRODUCTIVE.IT IS NOW WHEN IT BECOMES PRODUCTIVE THAT THE MATERIAL AND FINANCIAL BLESSING COMES.

These are laws of nature.atheists,free thinkers,Muslims or anyone who adds value to mankind and is productive will definitely be blessed.these are principles

It is a principle that if you stand on the third floor of a verandah and attempt to jump down then pray that as you attempt to jump,miraculously you should just be suspended on the air,that prayer will not work because there are basic laws of nature that works e.g the law of gravity

mrwonlasewonie:
exactly.I noticed that when I ask people ok remove emotions and sentiments from whatever you feel about daddy freeze.why do you tithe.usual answers I get
1.so that God will bless me
2.so that God will send customers to my shop
3.so that my sales will increase
4.so that my prayers can be answered
5.so that God can heal me
6.so that I can be promoted

The underlining factors I see is usually self motives.

So I ask.if You had all these things you needed WILL YOU STILL GO TO CHURCH
WILL YOU STILL LISTEN TO YOUR PASTOR
WILL YOU STILL PAY TITHES?

A lot of people have turned God to a business man thinking God blesses you in accordance to your tithe.meanwhile God is not man that he rewards people according to their deeds.that is human nature.e.g if you don't work for me I cannot pay you or give you money.but then again I realize God blesses people who don't even worship him or believe in him

This is the way it works,God blesses your work and makes it FRUITFUL.God doesn't bless people not doing anything and paying tithes and then they think miraculously they will just open the door of their houses and find billions of naira.no that is God encouraging laziness.the blessing of God translates in making the efforts you put into work PRODUCTIVE.IT IS NOW WHEN IT BECOMES PRODUCTIVE THAT THE MATERIAL AND FINANCIAL BLESSING COMES.

These are laws of nature.atheists,free thinkers,Muslims or anyone who adds value to mankind and is productive will definitely be blessed.these are principles

Good observations

mrwonlasewonie:
It is a principle that if you stand on the third floor of a verandah and attempt to jump down then pray that as you attempt to jump,miraculously you should just be suspended on the air,that prayer will not work because there are basic laws of nature that works e.g the law of gravity

If you operate on a better principle, like planes do, using the principle of aerodynamics, you will fly and soar in the air

Bro, I doubt if you know the meaning of the actual word tithe. It means 10. Do you know what cheerful giving is? Do you know what giving from the heart is? Are you trying to rewrite the word of God?
Tithing is DEAD and useless to any true Christian. If you talk about GIVING, count a Christian in. All you typed below can be considered a clear definitions of what deviation from the Bible's message is. It is logical not biblical. What you are doing is Algorithmic thinking. No Bible writer ever tried to individuate tithing as you did below. There is no Bible reference to support this heretical ecclesiastical tithe. The Bible only spoke of one tithing dating from Abraham and that is what everyone understands. Number 2 below is ludicrous and heretical. Do not say this to anyone because it is insulting to God. Do not twist the word of God. God says give cheerfully and it has nothing to do with one's financial income.

MuttleyLaff:

1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

MuttleyLaff:
I dont do those kinds of fights, all I tried messaging you, was to stick to the thread's subject matter so not derail the thread

I said go open a new thread for this and be still... typing on, there
because I wont be responding to you on here, on any matter, you further type concerning it

Open a new thread to showcase your "AT A POINT FALLEN ANGELS HAD SEX WITH HUMANS" learnings and then mention or invite me

Please also tag me on the thread, will like to follow up on this topic.

Maamin:


Please also tag me on the thread, will like to follow up on this topic.

Sir, really - there was a time the fallen angels had sex with the "daughters of men". Beyond that, they went on to marry them.

scriptaz18:


Sir, really - there was a time the fallen angels had sex with the "daughters of men". Beyond that, they went on to marry them.

There are two different believe concerning the sons of God in Genesis.

1) the sons of God are = righteous sons of Seth

2) the sons of God are = Angels (spirit beings)

I am of the believe that the sons of God were angels who took in daughter's of men for themselves.

MuttleyLaff:
Good observations


If you operate on a better principle, like planes do, using the principle of aerodynamics, you will fly and soar in the air

these are things science or engineering has negated