LordAdam16:


You obviously haven't been comprehending my replies.

There was no place where I said they are the greatest "because they [showed] promise but they did not have the opportunity to show it for a long time."

No place. Go and read my replies again and you'd see the reasons why I called them the greatest.

-Lord

You said Cruyff was one of the greatest with the likes of Maradona.

I said he is not even better than Zidane (who himself is not in the league of Maradona).

So how are you not stating greatest?

LordAdam16:


Let me ask you a simple question, have you watched Cryuff play? Even highlights count.

If you did, you wouldn't say Zidane and Iniesta had better in-play and on-the-ball intelligence.

I think you're suffering from recency bias. It's glaring from the statements you make.

-Lord

I have watched him play and I have seen the people he played against.

Have you ever tried reasoning from that anlge?

Have you ever tried reading about that era?

samisj4real:
The guy that scored the only goal @da final between portugal & france. Now young man tell me, how did ronaldo made dem d winner of euros ahead of "EDER"?

Ronaldo carried them to the finals.

Without him, they would not be there.

And he then got injured at the finals. If he was not injured, they wold have been a stronger team by all evidence.

So give him the props!

Sagamite:


I gave you figures to back up my arguments and you say I am not being objective and factual, but all you give is opinions and you are?

Where did I say I am objective and factual biko?

Why is it is hard for you to comprehend?

In fact na my last reply to you.

All the best.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Where did I say I am objective and factual biko?

Why is it is hard for you to comprehend?

In fact na my last reply to you.

All the best.

-Lord

Next time, when people make arguments with comparative data, never say they are not being objective or factual especially when you are not providing alternative data.

That is silly!

Sagamite:


Next time, when people make arguments with comparative data, never say they are not being objective or factual especially when you are not providing alternative data.

That is silly!

Better respect yourself if you don't understand English.

Does your post satisfy the criteria for the definitions?

You said Messi is better than Ronaldo. Is that objective? Is that a fact?

That you can't understand the clear use of English is baffling. It's the exact reason why debating with you is pointless. It's like pouring water in a basket, you comprehend nothing. Absolutely nothing.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Better respect yourself if you don't understand English.

Does your post satisfy the criteria for the definitions?

You said Messi is better than Ronaldo. Is that objective? Is that a fact?

That you can't understand the clear use of English is baffling. It's the exact reason why debating with you is pointless. It's like pouring water in a basket, you comprehend nothing. Absolutely nothing.

-Lord

You are a slowpoke!

Do you know the meaning of the criteria?

Sagamite:


You are a slowpoke!

Do you know the meaning of the criteria?

Ah!

Another dust-bin intellectual that resorts to vituperation when called out for being dumb.

No, I don't know the meaning of criteria. But apparently you do, but don't know the meaning of objective and fact, even when it is pinned on your forehead.

Simple question, was your statement objective or a fact and you can't answer.

Move along, I think there are many others who'd want to argue with you. Waste your time with them.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Ah!

Another dust-bin intellectual that resorts to vituperation when called out for being dumb.

No, I don't know the meaning of criteria. But apparently you do, but don't know the meaning of objective and fact, even when it is pinned on your forehead.

Simple question, was your statement objective or a fact and you can't answer.

Move along, I think there are many others who'd want to argue with you. Waste your time with them.

-Lord

You are a cretinous fccktard!

You obviously don't know who I is!

Fccktard, if I spit on the floor, you IQ is lower that one single cell in my spit.

A whole me? SAGAMITE? E ma ma ri arinfin o! (Dey look no respect)

Fccktard! When people give you statistical data to back up impeccable logic, idiots like you should not make silly statements!

Learn that fcking lesson, mooron!

the pele ever leave santos??, no and yet he is considered the best ever

Messi is the best ever, end of story, doesn't matter wether he leaves barca or not

Sagamite:


Well, this is the time for me to how that point of me being old enough to talk some sense in your head.

Explain to everyone why Neymar moved to PSG.

Explain why Maradona went to Napoli.

Explain why Batistuta stayed in Fiorentina.

Floor is yours!

Would have made more sense if u mentioned Mikel or Oscar .. these players all moved to big clubs in a big league so it doesn't count.. ll Messi move to a Finnish league paying 3x Barca at his career peak?

Benz4pimp:
Did he say he wants to be the greatest ever?Most of you wake to write thrash about someone you know nothing about.....The fact remains,he is happy playing the round leather game where he is!!!!Ronaldo wants to be the greatest but ask yourself that question,is he happy?messi refers to be happy over whatever award you want to give him...He has a release clause,let a club meet that and buy him offf!!!

He is not even the writer he just copied and pasted it here.
A typical real Madrid fan that's wat he is

VictorRomanov:


You are also guilty of writing thrash about someone or something you don't know about. Did Ronaldo tell you he was unhappy? Did Messi tell you he doesn't want to be the greatest If you don't have any thing constructive to add, just read and pass. Stop spreading negativity.

to bad you find it difficult to visit the website of real Madrid and read news about CR7 being unhappy and not ready to extend his contract...too bad you decide to flaunt your ignorance in social media

Did he tell you he wants these or you are the one forcing him to want what you want?

He has beaten the best from the world and with just world cup left, I don't know what's else you need from him. He doesn't owe you anything.

KinzyeWriter:
Messi wants international trophy... Messi needs to explore other club except Barcelona as you read in the article.

Pele was hindered for not playing in Europe, but his strength is the 3 world cup he won even though he is not the all time goal scorer.

Maradona has the most tiny weakness, to have played in Europe and won trophies and also a world cup in his international level.


Ronaldo has proven himself in the EPL by winning everything, in sporting, in Madrid, and international level.


Messi on the other hand risen into greatness with great players, and failed bunch of times in the international level... Now he hinders himself for being a one club man..

He is just a Barcelona legend bro

miketayo:


Would have made more sense if u mentioned Mikel or Oscar .. these players all moved to big clubs in a big league so it doesn't count.. ll Messi move to a Finnish league paying 3x Barca at his career peak?

Amsorry.

How does this answer my question?

somehow:
Did he tell you he wants these or you are the one forcing him to want what you want?

He has beaten the best from the world and with just world cup left, I don't know what's else you need from him. He doesn't owe you anything.

He does not need to win any WC to be the greatest. He just needs to show what he can do on the pitch and we have all seen it.

Magic!

Story 4 the gods. The numbers don't lie jorr. The sooner u critics admit he's the greatest of his time the better for yall. Why must he switch to another league asides laliga to prove himself? Has he not consistently played against the best teams from top leagues across europe in champions league and still messed them up in the pitch. What about international level? Has he underperformed in anyway when he played for his country Argentina? Barcelona believed in him and invested when all others lost hope cos he had some type of growth deficiency. He being a man of integrity is repaying Barca by being loyal to the end. All u oppornunaldo fans need to quit writing trash about the genius & get a job. Or better yet get on youtube and watch unlimited videos of Messi destroying ur best top players of all time including oppornunaldo . Bye haters

True. Did Pele and maradona win everything self?

Sagamite:


He does not need to win any WC to be the greatest. He just needs to show what he can do on the pitch and we have all seen it.

Magic!

Victornezzar:
Goal.com with their trashy topics
u can compare him to Maradona and pele but u can't compare Ronaldo to both

Messi is a genius

head to head individually ronaldo ahead of messi ,i still dont understand why ronaldo cant b compare with him.

Sagamite:


Amsorry.

How does this answer my question?

Which question

Sagamite:


Ronaldo carried them to the finals.

Without him, they would not be there.

And he then got injured at the finals. If he was not injured, they wold have been a stronger team by all evidence.

So give him the props!

Ronaldo got lucky in the Euros. Portugal finished their group as the 3rd placed team without a victory and behind mediocre sides like Hungary and Iceland and only qualified as one of the best losers. They were outplayed by Poland and Croatia but soldiered on through extra time and penalties in those contests. Their only good performance was against a Wales with Ramsey's ban decisive for a Wale's team with no depth. They were completely battered by France in the finals (which was happening even with Ronaldo on the pitch), but had France' extreme wastefulness to thank for an unlikely victory.

Ronaldo deserves some credit, but using that tournament as any kind of advantage over Messi hardly seems rational considering his performance. Some of Ronaldo's fans try to craft some kind of narrative where he dragged Portugal to a Euros win. He did nothing of the sort. Not even close. Portugal plodded their way to an unlikely win in the same way that Greece did in 2004 and Denmark did in '96.

if you truly love football you must like messi. the guy is something else.

just say the truth don't hate.
I said the same tin about ronaldinho years back.

Sagamite:


You said Cruyff was one of the greatest with the likes of Maradona.

I said he is not even better than Zidane (who himself is not in the league of Maradona).

So how are you not stating greatest?

I guess this would be a matter of opinion. I consider Cruyff comfortably higher in the pantheon of greats than Zidane - just behind Pele and Maradonna and maybe Di Stefano. I'd argue even Platini is greater than Zidane. They're very different types of players, so I guess the only fair measure is the influence they have on their teams. They're just about equal in international influence, but Cruyff's achievements with Ajax is a class above Zidane's club career.

Benz4pimp:
to bad you find it difficult to visit the website of real Madrid and read news about CR7 being unhappy and not ready to extend his contract...too bad you decide to flaunt your ignorance in social media

U intentionally choose to forget that it took Messi a long time to agree to a contract extension. If he was that happy why did he take a long time to decide to extend his contract?

Your post just show u have little idea about players' happiness and how they negotiate contract, their reasons for either staying or leaving a club. I would ve schooled you, but just go with your ignorance.

KinzyeWriter:
This is it.

And that is why Ronaldo who won everything in England before moving to Real Madrid and Won Euro 2016 for his country will be better.

Messi would only end up as a Barcelona legend. His position in other rankings would always be contested.

miketayo:


Which question

Explain to everyone why Neymar moved to PSG.

Explain why Maradona went to Napoli.

Explain why Batistuta stayed in Fiorentina.

I gave you the whole fccking floor to do it.

Oya. Go. I dey listen.

Ahmedhussain3463:
head to head individually ronaldo ahead of messi ,i still dont understand why ronaldo cant b compare with him.

How is he ahead?

What is he ahead in?

Benz4pimp:
Did he say he wants to be the greatest ever?Most of you wake to write thrash about someone you know nothing about.....The fact remains,he is happy playing the round leather game where he is!!!!Ronaldo wants to be the greatest but ask yourself that question,is he happy?messi refers to be happy over whatever award you want to give him...He has a release clause,let a club meet that and buy him offf!!!

.....and see if he can prove himself or not. Enough said!

Obi1kenobi:


Ronaldo got lucky in the Euros. Portugal finished their group as the 3rd placed team without a victory and behind mediocre sides like Hungary and Iceland and only qualified as one of the best losers. They were outplayed by Poland and Croatia but soldiered on through extra time and penalties in those contests. Their only good performance was against a Wales with Ramsey's ban decisive for a Wale's team with no depth. They were completely battered by France in the finals (which was happening even with Ronaldo on the pitch), but had France' extreme wastefulness to thank for an unlikely victory.

Fantastic points!

Wow! I did not even remember that 3rd place.

That just tells any fool that luck is vital in winning competitions and 'team wins' is not a statement on 'player ability' per se.

One keeps on telling them these but it is a challenge to enter their thick heads.

Great point, mate!

Obi1kenobi:

Ronaldo deserves some credit, but using that tournament as any kind of advantage over Messi hardly seems rational considering his performance. Some of Ronaldo's fans try to craft some kind of narrative where he dragged Portugal to a Euros win. He did nothing of the sort. Not even close. Portugal plodded their way to an unlikely win in the same way that Greece did in 2004 and Denmark did in '96.

Ronaldo cannot be better than Messi.

Anyone that says he is is very poor in analysis and reasoning.

Obi1kenobi:


I guess this would be a matter of opinion. I consider Cruyff comfortably higher in the pantheon of greats than Zidane - just behind Pele and Maradonna and maybe Di Stefano. I'd argue even Platini is greater than Zidane. They're very different types of players, so I guess the only fair measure is the influence they have on their teams. They're just about equal in international influence, but Cruyff's achievements with Ajax is a class above Zidane's club career.

Yep. It is a matter of opinions.

I believe Cruyff and Zidane are in the same pantheon along with Platini, Iniesta, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Zico, Zidane, Platini, Iniesta, Xavi, Puskas, Di Stefano, Beckenbauer, Matthaus, G. Muller, Xavi etc.

Different measures for players playing in different positions/different types of players is my policy.

And you are so FCCKING ON POINT that the biggest weighting should be the "measure is the influence they have on their teams". I have said this before.

https://www.nairaland.com/1176158/sagamites-top-30-greatest-african/19#14085379

I would add another one: Plus how long they were at their peak for.

I would fault that achievement with Ajax though because of era difference. I remember back in the early 90s when Nigeria used to beat the likes of Burkina Faso 7-1.

Today, we cannot do that to any African country because football is now a serious business for every country and no more fishermen coming to play for national teams. There are fitter and more professional players nowadays.

It is good we have highlights of some of these players. Honestly, Cruyff is a pioneer but some in his pantheon took it to a different level.

Cruyff


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v6lMerCYCI

Zidane


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvjfBhEH-Zc

Iniesta? ...............................Sweet Jesus!!! WOOOOW! ........................Fck Lord!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86MpZTqoWZk

As much as we can love pioneers, the game goes to a different level afterwards.

Cruyff really only betters them in goal scoring.

If you are a guy whose woman is denying him sex, just go to Youtube and type in "Iniesta best skills" or "Messi best skills" or "Ronaldinho best skills".

Watch a nicely edited one and you would have a better time than fcking her miserable arse.

I swearagod!