1wolex85:


If you dont still get my point, i cant help you, sorry

LordAdam16:


Cruyff invented the Barcelona style of play that Messi learned at La Masia. You could practically call Messi a football progeny of Cryuff.

LordAdam16:

R9 came back from an injury that can only be described as a miracle. Which is the foremost reason why he is called El fenomeno. And he is the only other player in history who has the goalscoring instincts of CR7.

LordAdam16:

Ronaldinho transformed football into an art. Neither Pele, Maradonna, Messi played as beautifully as he did when he was at his best. Not to take anything away from the later 3, but all they did/do is run past people with the ball stuck to their feet. Ronaldinho commanded the ball with ET-like touches.

LordAdam16:

Zizzinho inspired Ronaldinho. And was the first since Heleno to play like he was painting.

Heleno made football an art form.

LordAdam16:

Garrincha was better than Pele. He just didn't stay at the top level as long as Pele did. It's like comparing Ronaldinho to Neymar. It's pretty clear that Neymar would eventually surpass Ronaldinho in terms of stats and how long he'd be a top-flight legend. But Ronaldinho is unarguably better.

Aside Cryuff, all the other names I mentioned didn't stay as legends for 10+ years like Messi, Maradonna, Pele, and CR7. But if we're talking mainly based on ability, they enter the GOAT list comfortably. All of them could carry teams all by themselves when it mattered and they did.

-Lord

obonujoker:


He bettered Henry before he moved to Spain,oga.... and how is Rooney not better than Henry in EPL??

cstr1000:

Messi have never scored against Chelsea all his life. And they have played each other many times in the UCL.

The last time they played, messi got knocked out of the UCL without scoring against Chelsea.

ObaKlaz:
I expected a good debate from you, since mine is debatable. Else, you should've just read 'my opinion' and moved on, without mentioning me.

I'm still leaving the door open for a debate, my good sir.

1wolex85:


I'd really not like to count friendlies, when it matters, Argentina beats us

LordAdam16:


As in eh, people can dey spout unbelievable statements sha.

No one is better than Cruyff at what he does best, intelligent play. No one.

-Lord

Sagamite:


Are you having a laugh?

You know there is a time for comedy?

obonujoker:


Henry never won anything with Arsenal outside the EPL..... Even RVN was a better goal scorer than Henry

ObaKlaz:
Alex Ferguson is not the greatest 'cos he coached just Manchester United. He couldn't have replicated his successes elsewhere. He needs to come out of retirement and prove his greatness with Eiber in La Liga. *Logic*

cstr1000:

Messi have never scored against Chelsea all his life. And they have played each other many times in the UCL.

The last time they played, messi got knocked out of the UCL without scoring against Chelsea.

Iamthoney:
please school 'em Ronaldo fanboys very well...They all expect Messi to grace their mickey mouse league(EPL) before they will agree that he's better and they keep spewing trash about how Ronaldo left the EPL for La-Liga like he left on his own. Real Madrid met his valuation and he was sold so any damn club that want Messi in their rank should cough out his buyout clause or even more and see if Barcelona won't sell

Sagamite:


TEEEEEAMS WIIIIIIIN COMPETITIONS!

1wolex85:


You really want to argue this? Who has been better than Henry in the EPL era?

anigbajumo:


Lol,it was Barcelona that gave him 4× best player consecutively which Pele in the question not even won.Watin Ronaldo won in sporting?? U guys like to spew trash.Portugal team won the trophy without Ronaldo even 3rd in confed cup without Ronaldo. Wat d poo ar u spewing.

Messi is a playmaker, dribbler,creative Nd can determine match nd even goal scorer.

Ronaldo lack dribble accuracy,an't create chances from midfield, just 190% trash expect goal.No diff between Ronaldo,Kean,Aguero nd co.He is only prolific striker nothing else.If u doubt me,there are many matches messi won't score goal but will b given man of the match.That enough will tell u Leo is not about goal but assist,creative,dribble ,create spaces nd so on.Ronaldo is no where near messi though he is a good hardworker ,good finisher but can never near talent of messi.

ObaKlaz:
Alex Ferguson is not the greatest 'cos he coached just Manchester United. He couldn't have replicated his successes elsewhere. He needs to come out of retirement and prove his greatness with Eiber in La Liga. *Logic*

miketayo:


As a player no one, that's because cr7 didn't stay long enough in EPL.
But Henry doesn't have d best career in EPL as a player..

Giggs, scholes, lampard, terry etc all had better careers in d epl

obonujoker:


Jose Mourinho is better than Ferguson....

Sagamite:


Far better, mate.

They both played from non-9 offensive positions.

Cruyff was a decent dribbler and good passer, CR7 is a prolific goalscorer from the wings.

I would go with the goalscorer in this case.

Cruyff, to me, is not even as good as Ronaldinho and Zidane but he is in the same league with them.

obonujoker:


And great players make their teams win... moreover individually, how is Henry the greatest ever....??

He wasn't the best dribbler
He wasn't the greatest assister
Never won individual honours
Won the golden boot on in EPL
Isn't EPL record scorer....

so??

Sagamite:


Even Jose wold be holding his ribs laughing at you.

Lhimeet:
You don't have a valuable point Bro...Baseless point!

miketayo:


As a player no one, that's because cr7 didn't stay long enough in EPL.
But Henry doesn't have d best career in EPL as a player..

Giggs, scholes, lampard, terry etc all had better careers in d epl

Sagamite:


Very well said!

1wolex85:


Now you are saying career and introducing longevity. The question is who has been the best player in the epl era? I agree that Ronaldo didnt stay too long though and wasnt as good as he is now in the EPL

miketayo:


I already said in terms of skill as a footballer there is no one better. But it doesn't mean he had the best EPL career

Sagamite:


What utter nonsense!

So how come Drogba did not make CIV win ordinary ANC?

He is not a great player?

Sagamite:


How did they have better careers?

LordAdam16:


You really need to do some soul-searching and understand why certain players are regarded as GOATs.

Becoming a GOAT is not entirely about scoring goals or running past players. It's also the natural talent and intelligence.

You can't compare Ronaldinho and Cruyff, they do different things. Ronaldinho has an unbelievable flair, but Cruyff has better in-play intelligence. Cruyff single-handedly lifted Ajax and Holland to becoming European and world footballing giants. He moved to Barcelona for a record transfer fee and showed it wasn't a fluke. The next year, he took Holland to the final (same thing Messi did in 2014).

Granted, he didn't score as many goals as CR7 or Messi while playing in a similar position. But he didn't have the Ozils, Modric, Kroos, Scholes, Giggs, Busquets, Iniestas, and Xavis that both CR7 and Messi have. Put Cruyff in MU of 2007-2009, Barcelona of 2009-2012, RM of 2013-2016 and he'd be breaking records like they were match sticks.

He was so good, he took his intelligence off the pitch to invent the same football philosophy that laid the foundation for tiki-taka--the best style of play of the last two decades. La Masia was revitalized based on his philosophy. Football wasn't an art to Cryuff, it was a science. No other person saw and understood the game like he did.

That's why he is on the list.

-Lord

Sagamite:


I count it.

They don't like losing to teams they regard as far lower, so it is normally a competitive game.

Worse still, lose by conceding 4 goals. Which was the same thing they suffered in Nigeria's first win. There was complete outrage in Argentina, they quickly had to organise a rematch in a week.

They take it seriously.

1wolex85:

He is still the best player to have played in the EPL