blueto:
I remember how Omeruo's solid display against a Man City's Dzeko led attack in 2014 world cup made a commentator to question why has hasn't been playing for Chelsea's main team.

Its simple, don't judge Nigerian players solely by their club status, some opponent coaches who have done so have been proven wrong.

That is misrepresentation and exaggeration.

Which respectable commentator made that remark

Then ask yourself in the past 6/7 years name one first team Chelsea defender that he us comparable to not even better. Zuma who is much younger is far ahead if him and is on loan at Stoke.

Omeruo went to Middlesbrough in 2014 and was far from outstanding. His performances did not create interest in the EPL or in the Championship. Actually the same season and in the same league Dominic Iorfa was getting MOTM awards as a teenager and best young player as a teenager for Wolves.

Omeruo has played in quote a few countries in Europe if he was outstanding he would not have settled for the backwaters of Turkey.

Joebie:
I am relatively new to this thread and I called forgiveness out when I noticed something. I’m far from an Igbo person. And I’ve canvassed for every #tag except for the home based on this thread. I can easily expose him, but I respect him the same for one thing he hardly uses abusive speech. But that said if I must go back in time and pick out some of his utterances during our debate you all will be convinced beyond doubt that most of his opinions are based on misconceptions e.g that the NFF is tribaliatic.
My friend while hr may not always be canvassing for his tribemen, some monikers seeing him as such is not unfounded. Having said that, he may have a valid point as regards other monikers also being tribaliatic. But it will be a hard for him to prove. The Igbos have dominated SE somewhat but we all know the caliber of those players. Most earned it. And just as some have got into the SE fold for other reasons than performance, some players from other sections of the country also have for other reasons than performance. That’s the Nigerian way.
If he can get rid of those misconceptions he will be just fine, and his submissions will be taken more seriously by many.

You've observed well Bro. He needs to change and fairly address issues without being too emotional when it comes to certain Players.

Also he needs to widen his Scouting Network to all Nigerians not a particular Section of Nigeria.

Is he a tribal Bigot.......?! No. Is he sentimental..... we are all guilty but he makes his own apparent.

komekn:


One game doesn't make a player it's too early to make those deductions based on one game.

Particularly as we know that as the game progresses team formation can change. For instance in the first half we were more cautious a more defensive approach. Come second half instructions had changed and it became more offensive and that's when Idowu and Ebuehi came in.

So to conclude that Shehu and Aina are now second choice is very premature and shows limited understanding of football strategy and application.

I did not “conclude” that Shehu and Aina should play second choice in my post. I only said I prefer Ebuehi in the 3-5-2 formation to play as a wing back and Shehu to play as right back anytime the coach uses a 4 man defence.

Mujtahida:

If it is Osimhen that scored a goal you won't even mention it not to talk of describing it. What concerns us with Lookman- a I-want-to-play-for- 3 lions-player?

I was responding to comments made by Oasis in the first instance.

Secondly, I was watching the game live.

Has Osimhen played in the Europa cup championship If he had I probably would watch him. Oh I forgot he hardly makes the bench for Wolfsburg and plays nearly all his games in youth football.

Unless I want to go to Germany to watch youth football it's impossible.

However, if his team weren't so low in the Bundesliga I might have seen him in the U19's Euro championship.

And I rarely if ever talk about Youth games in the context of players performance. If you are playing youth football then you are where the SE concerned not relevant for today future possibly.

But then strange thing can happen when personal preference supercedes objective measurement.

blueto:
I did not “conclude” that Shehu and Aina should play second choice in my post. I only said I prefer Ebuehi in the 3-5-2 formation to play as a wing back and Shehu to play as right back anytime the coach uses a 4 man defence.

this is a good suggestion. I had that in mind as well

Shehu and Aina are full backs as seen against Argentina...Ebuehi is a better Wingback.

If Rohr wants a 3-5-2....I suggest he plays Vic Mo as RWB while Ebuehi subs him...or Ebuehi as RWB

We save Shehu and Aina for the FB roles

komekn:


That is misrepresentation and exaggeration.

Which respectable commentator made that remark

Then ask yourself in the past 6/7 years name one first team Chelsea defender that he us comparable to not even better. Zuma who is much younger is far ahead if him and is on loan at Stoke.

Omeruo went to Middlesbrough in 2014 and was far from outstanding. His performances did not create interest in the EPL or in the Championship. Actually the same season and in the same league Dominic Iorfa was getting MOTM awards as a teenager and best young player as a teenager for Wolves.

Omeruo has played in quote a few countries in Europe if he was outstanding he would not have settled for the backwaters of Turkey.

Omeruo had good display during the tournament in the early stages. As a defender, he kept Nigeria from conceding in two group world cup games. And even the goals that Nigeria conceded in the knock out stage were due to Enyeama's and Yobo's gaffes. So its okay to say he was individually good. Go and watch that match against Bosnia and you will understand why a commentator made such remark. He defended well against Dzeko and others attackers.

Why his football seemed to have gone down since then, I don't know. just as how some people think that Onazi have not been good as he was in the same world cup edition.

komekn:


That is misrepresentation and exaggeration.

Which respectable commentator made that remark

Then ask yourself in the past 6/7 years name one first team Chelsea defender that he us comparable to not even better. Zuma who is much younger is far ahead if him and is on loan at Stoke.

Omeruo went to Middlesbrough in 2014 and was far from outstanding. His performances did not create interest in the EPL or in the Championship. Actually the same season and in the same league Dominic Iorfa was getting MOTM awards as a teenager and best young player as a teenager for Wolves.

Omeruo has played in quote a few countries in Europe if he was outstanding he would not have settled for the backwaters of Turkey.

Omeruo had good display during the tournament in the early stages. As a defender, he kept Nigeria from conceding in two group world cup games. And even the goals that Nigeria conceded in the knock out stage were due to Enyeama's and Yobo's gaffes. So its okay to say he was individually good. Go and watch that match against Bosnia and you will understand why a commentator made such remark. He defended well against Dzeko and others attackers.

Why his football seemed to have gone down since then, I don't know. just as how some people think that Onazi have not been good as he was in the same world cup edition.

safarigirl:
this is a good suggestion. I had that in mind as well

Shehu and Aina are full backs as seen against Argentina...Ebuehi is a better Wingback.

If Rohr wants a 3-5-2....I suggest he plays Vic Mo as RWB while Ebuehi subs him...or Ebuehi as RWB

We save Shehu and Aina for the FB roles

And you suggesting we take 3 RBs to Russia?

This thread is turning into something and all these people that keep quiet and let that nutcase to continue ruining this thread are the real problem.

When I suggested we join hands and humiliate that guy out of here everybody started playing human right advocate as if Nigerians understand civility.

Petrobros:


And you suggesting we take 3 RBs to Russia?

yes.

Three of them can play LB as well. You are missing the versatility part

blueto:
I did not “conclude” that Shehu and Aina should play second choice in my post. I only said I prefer Ebuehi in the 3-5-2 formation to play as a wing back and Shehu to play as right back anytime the coach uses a 4 man defence.

Shehu, Aina, Ebuehi, All RBS.Are we going to Russia with 30players?

safarigirl:
yes.

Three of them can play LB as well. You are missing the versatility part

And we also take Idowu and Echiejile ba? Making 5Full backs. Are you going to Russia only to defend?

safarigirl:
this is a good suggestion. I had that in mind as well

Shehu and Aina are full backs as seen against Argentina...Ebuehi is a better Wingback.

If Rohr wants a 3-5-2....I suggest he plays Vic Mo as RWB while Ebuehi subs him...or Ebuehi as RWB

We save Shehu and Aina for the FB roles

Yes, I'm glad we both share the same opinion on this. Ebuehi recovers well and he should becoming on for Moses in the latter stages but depending on the situation of the game. Wing backs needs more rests because they are expected to cover lots of grounds as they attack and defend. So it will be okay that they are substituted towards the end.

OMANBALA1:
This thread is turning into something and all these people that keep quiet and let that nutcase to continue ruining this thread are the real problem.

When I suggested we join hands and humiliate that guy out of here everybody started playing human right advocate as if Nigerians understand civility.

Easy bro.

Lets accommodate each other.

We know the true picture of things but just chose to ignore. Not because we are cowards but just for peace to reign.

blueto:
Yes, I'm glad we both share the same opinion on this. Ebuehi recovers well and he should becoming on for Moses in the latter stages but depending on the situation of the game. Wing backs needs more rests because they are expected to cover lots of grounds as they attack and defend. So it will be okay that they are substituted towards the end.

If you think Moses will play that WB position exactly as he plays for Chelsea then you are on a long thing. In the green and white jerseys, his level of discipline drops, becomes more selfish and may not be able to recover quickly to join the defense as he does for Chelsea.
I go with icon4s we need Moses in a more attacking position. Either Aina or Shehu can play as Wing Back or Full back, depending on which formation the coach adopts.

Petrobros:


Shehu, Aina, Ebuehi, All RBS.Are we going to Russia with 30players?

For now it seems the competition is in the Left Back. Aina have been playing as a left back and it seems that is where Rohr want him so one of Idowu/Aina/Echiejile may need to drop.

blueto:
Yes, I'm glad we both share the same opinion on this. Ebuehi recovers well and he should becoming on for Moses in the latter stages but depending on the situation of the game. Wing backs needs more rests because they are expected to cover lots of grounds as they attack and defend. So it will be okay that they are substituted towards the end.

When you are chasing a game would you prefer to change a Wing Back instead of making attacking substitutions?

Don't even talk about making substitutions in that position. It is usually not necessary. If you need to seal off a game would you rather change a wing back or introduce an extra midfielder or a defender?

Petrobros:


If you think Moses will play that WB position exactly as he plays for Chelsea then you are on a long thing. In the green and white jerseys, his level of discipline drops, becomes more selfish and may not be able to recover quickly to join the defense as he does for Chelsea.
I go with icon4s we need Moses in a more attacking position. Either Aina or Shehu can play as Wing Back or Full back, depending on which formation the coach adopts.

The issue of Moses's discipline have been treated here before. He has been very disciplined under Rohr. Go and watch Nigeria WQC matches and you will see him always tracking back even as an offensive player.

blueto:
For now it seems the competition is in the Left Back. Aina have been playing as a left back and it seems that is where Rohr want him so one of Idowu/Aina/Echiejile may need to drop.

So who would you rather drop?

safarigirl:
yes.

Three of them can play LB as well. You are missing the versatility part

Madam,forget versatility, taking 5/6 players playing d same role is counter productive, we re not going to Russia to play with wing backs/defenders only!,


I sense rohr might drop eida aina/ebuehi,most esp if we are to adopt d new 3-5-2 formation in our group matches and hopefully beyond d group stage too

elyte89:



Madam,forget versatility, taking 5/6 players playing d same role is counter productive, we re not going to Russia to play with wing backs/defenders only!,


I sense rohr might drop eida aina/ebuehi,most esp if we are to adopt d new 3-5-2 formation in our group matches and hopefully beyond d group stage too

It is the emotion of not letting go of any of those players. The truth is Aina and Ebuehi are the two least players in the pecking order. At least one of them painfully may not make Russia.

Petrobros:


And we also take Idowu and Echiejile ba? Making 5Full backs. Are you going to Russia only to defend?

it's a total of 8 defenders....if some inclusions look too bad, feel free to draft Shehu into the Midfield slots, so you can have 7 defenders...

You take players according to possible formations, do you not?

blueto:
For now it seems the competition is in the Left Back. Aina have been playing as a left back and it seems that is where Rohr want him so one of Idowu/Aina/Echiejile may need to drop.

Aina is not looking too sure for Russia contingent unless if Rohr will try him at right back. As it stands , Ebuehi is ahead of Aina , Idowu is a natural left back and I can bet you Rohr is not dropping Echiejile.

elyte89:



Madam,forget versatility, taking 5/6 players playing d same role is counter productive, we re not going to Russia to play with wing backs/defenders only!,


I sense rohr might drop eida aina/ebuehi,most esp if we are to adopt d new 3-5-2 formation in our group matches and hopefully beyond d group stage too

I can draft a 23-man list with eight defenders and it would work.

The World Cup is just eight games at most at a stretch, so, I don't see what is counterproductive to anything.

Petrobros:


If you think Moses will play that WB position exactly as he plays for Chelsea then you are on a long thing. In the green and white jerseys, his level of discipline drops, becomes more selfish and may not be able to recover quickly to join the defense as he does for Chelsea.
I go with icon4s we need Moses in a more attacking position. Either Aina or Shehu can play as Wing Back or Full back, depending on which formation the coach adopts.

Thank you my brother, moses WB in super eagles?not possible,this was our highest goal scorer during qualifiers as an attacker,meaning he will continue as FW.

I believe with Shehu, Aina,Echiejele, Idowu,Ebuhei we should not have problem with 3-5-2.Aina,Ebuhei,Idowu does it as RWB in their clubs week in week out and we saw Idowu and. Aina doing it as LWB against Argentina.Also Shehu a midfieder who can do it as RB and RWB though with average performance against Argentina like Aina and we have experience Echiejele.

My man with all these solid fullbacks Vic Moses should maintain his natural position.

Actually, I don't mind him playing with the U23 team ... that's definitely better than sitting on the bench week in week out. I just want him to be out there playing to maintain fitness and sharpness. Then in Russia, he can show them what he's got!


O pari

goldfish80:

Anyway, he haven't been playing for the main team since August when he signed. Now he's playing for the U21's. You should be worried. Very worried.

safarigirl:


I can draft a 23-man list with eight defenders and it would work.

The World Cup is just eight games at most at a stretch, so, I don't see what is counterproductive to anything.

Yes 23 man list can absorbed eight defenders but i see defenders who are versatile making the team.

Shehu Abdullahi (midfielder/ RB)
Bryan Oladapo Idowu (RB/LB/WB)
Ebuhei (RB/LB/WB)
Aina Ola (RB/LB/WB)
Elderson Echiejele (LB)
*Leon Balogun (CB/RB)
*Troost Ekong (CB)
Awaziem (CB/RB)
Kenneth Omeruo (CB/RB)
Uche Agbo (CB/DM)

I pick Ekong and Leon now remain six to add cos am seeing Rohr picking eight.

Please closely watch Victor Moses when he plays for Chelsea versus when he plays for Nigeria. Let me tell you what you'd find:
He's still holding onto the ball too long when he plays for Nigeria, he doesn't do that in Chelsea. Granted he's playing in a different role.
He still engages in excessive dribbling when he plays for Nigeria, maybe not as bad as before but he still does that, but he has learned to release the ball promptly when he plays for Chelsea. Again, we gotta consider that he's playing in a different role at Chelsea.

Furthermore, and most importantly, it doesn't make a lot of sense to deploy your best and most creative player as a Wingback. He should be deployed in the final third creating and scoring goals. That's just like Chelsea playing Eden Hazard as RWB or Barca playing Messi in that role. Moses should have a free role in the midfield ... we need his trademark dribbles runs and incisive passes to unlock tight defenses.


O pari

Mujtahida:

It's good you used the word 'might'. But come to think of it:throughout our WCQ series Vicmo always tracked back whether on the right or left to help defensively. Remember he initiated most of our counters from deep within our own half. So if he can do that in a formation that doesn't put the primary duty to defend on him why won't he do that when he plays in a formation that actually puts that duty on him to defend?. I think what you said has more to do with perception than the reality. Same thing when people say Vicmo is one of our selfish players. Before yes. But not under Rohr.

FabioPeter:


I thought he was, but he hasn’t been active for far too long. I hope he get a club January window.

Which club would take him as their No1 immediately?? That's another question.

forgiveness:


Looking at this team, their strength is the ability of their midfield to keep possession.

In this case, we must overcrowd the midfield with two mobile defensive midfielders.

We must press from their defence to force them to play against their wish but if we don't succeed to get the ball as quickly as possible, we have to withdraw and defend from deep with rapid counter attacks once we have the ball because I don't think we can match dem in the midfield.


I wish we perfect that 3-5-2 formation again with another friendly with Iwobi and Iheanacho as false 9. They will always fall deep into the midfield to overcrowd the midfield and When they spread to the wings, Mikel will become the false 9.

In this case, they are confused on who to mark as our target man.

The more we analyse this team the more fear fear go come.

I would play Victor Moses in place of iwobi and Kelechi iheanacho from the right cus he is left footed and plays with his head up.

junnyjake:


Which club would take him as their No1 immediately?? That's another question.

Enyeama Vincent is not coming back even if he get club as No 1 keeper in January,better for us to concentrate on Uzoho, Ezenwa, Akpeyi, Ajiboye,Alampasu and Okoye.

OMANBALA1:
This thread is turning into something and all these people that keep quiet and let that nutcase to continue ruining this thread are the real problem.

When I suggested we join hands and humiliate that guy out of here everybody started playing human right advocate as if Nigerians understand civility.

Bro's u are JOYLESS.
LWKMD