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codemaniacs:
you're contradicting yourself..

you said "if bini don't own ikale and ilaje lands which is more closer to bini geographically."

then said "The only place the bini conquered in Lagos is the island which was reversed after the Europeans landed on shores of Lagos."

for the binis to conquer the island they had to pass through dozens of yoruba villages, if they eventually reached the island they have to face attacks from yorubas in present day Benin republic which would have been too much for them to handle..

the europeans never landed on the shores of lagos peacefully they fought the yorubas until there was an agreement to build a school there and other yoruba villages still opposed the europeans.... go and read about tinubu's grandmother...

codemaniacs:
you're contradicting yourself..

you said "if bini don't own ikale and ilaje lands which is more closer to bini geographically."

then said "The only place the bini conquered in Lagos is the island which was reversed after the Europeans landed on shores of Lagos."

for the binis to conquer the island they had to pass through dozens of yoruba villages, if they eventually reached the island they have to face attacks from yorubas in present day Benin republic which would have been too much for them to handle..

the europeans never landed on the shores of lagos peacefully they fought the yorubas until there was an agreement to build a school there and other yoruba villages still opposed the europeans.... go and read about tinubu's grandmother...

Shakingdbumbum:
All this stuff is political. Igbo return home .

Habakus:
I honestly don't know how else to make those parasites from Osun State understand this: Lagos does not belong to Yorubas.
Almost all the royalties in Lagos have spoken out concerning this, yet those lazy parasites who invaded Lagos and have sought to erode the history of Lagos with their twisted version have refused to listen.
The facts are there.
No amount of revisionism, propaganda and manipulations will make us forget the true history of Lagos - that is, Lagos doesn't belong to the Yorubas. Yorubas came just like other ethnic groups and met Lagos already owned.

HOW ELETU ODIBO CAME TO LAGOS
According to Prince Kazeem, he said the connection between Benin Kingdom and Eletu Odibo started in the year 1600, when Oba of Benin then appointed Eletu Odibo, Obanikoro and other Chiefs to come to Lagos to crown the first king, which was Oba Ado. But the temporary Chief, who ruled Lagos before Oba Ado was Ashipa (1600-1630).
Eletu Odibo were known in Benin as White Cap Chiefs then. So when Eletu Odibo came to Lagos, they settled in Isale Eko, Iga-Iduganran, Lagos. Since then Eletu Odibo family have been in Lagos and they have not gone back to Benin. From that time, any Oba that died in Lagos we used to take them back to Benin to bury. It was during Oba Akintoye they stopped taking their corpse back to Benin. No Oba or Chiefs have gone back to Benin since then”.
Prince Kazeem also told City People how they got to Osapa Village, now called Osapa London, He said his grandfather used to stay in Itele in Ota. He had problem with child bearing then because they used to die before they grow up. So he consulted the oracle, where he was told to go and settle where there is a big Lagoon. That was how he left Itele for Osapa. When he came here (Osapa), he met a hunter with his daughter. The hunter and his daughter lived in Osapa as their base then, because Ojomu family gave them (Hunter and his daugther) for farming then.
The hunter accepted him when he explained what led him to Osapa. Later, my grandfather now got married to the hunter’s daughter, they had children and my grandfather also took another women in marriage,

Urchman27:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/

Urchman27:
lalasticlala oooo
I talk am
Benin people owned Lagos

desreek9:
See how y'all are salivating cos one insignificant person said trash about lagos smh

I would only believe the binis own lagos when the Oba of Benin who will obviously know the ancient history of benin will come out to support this claim

poseidon12:
So, the bottom line is that Lagos is owned by the Bini. It is interesting to hear this from the likes of Erelu Dosunmu. And some loud mouths were claiming that the Aworis came here before the Binis.

givememoney:
She is an illiterate person.. akinolu is an illiterate...

Don't believe, nonsense.. oba of Benin /ooni of ife is lower...

Why you need the military in school



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Pigsandidiots:
Royalty ko, rayalro ni. Bini, own Lagos, Bini own oyo, bini own ondo, bini own onitsa. Where did they now come from. They leave town like ore n owo but go to own Lagos that has no boundary with them. This is laughable. Aunty erelu, why didn't you bring out fact for your claim.

Awori were the very first people who settled in Lagos –Anibaba, EX-ICAN president
A former President of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria and former Chairman of the Island Club, Lagos, Chief Musiliu Anibaba, tells TOBI AWORINDE and JOY MARCUS the history of Lagos and the reason for the controversy over who owns Lagos

The Punch26 Nov 2017

•Anibaba
How do you feel about the commonly held belief that Lagos is no-man’s land? Particularly, we can hear Wole Soyinka. How do I respond to that? In fact, it is unfortunate. I am a Lagosian. I was born in 1931 in Lagos. I grew up in Lagos, except for the time I went abroad to study Accountancy – I am a chartered accountant. I think what is happening now is a political situation where they say, ‘Because Lagos is so accommodating, and then the political thing is that people should be in government’, and those who go into government are those who are voted by the people who are residents, not necessarily the indigenes. Indigenes of Lagos, as of now — like in any megacities like London, New York, Paris, Washington — must be in the minority by law. But that doesn’t mean that there weren’t some people who were in that place before it became a megacity.
So, those of us who are indigenes are not happy about the situation in Lagos. We are not saying people, who came to Lagos, should not enjoy basic right. We are saying our children should have some entitlement; they should be able to establish themselves. The way things are turning out, they may not be able to. For instance, my son or grandson may be entitled to a scholarship. He would have to apply to the Lagos State Government; that is the only place he can go if he wants to get a scholarship if I can’t afford it (pay his tuition). Thank God I can afford to educate my children. Going there (scholarship office), he will meet 35 other children from other places all living in Lagos. Each of these 35 people has the right to go to any other state which they would call their state of origin because their parents came to Lagos. To that extent, the Lagos indigene is endangered. If there is a vacant plot (of land) and the government wants to allocate plots to people, 36 people would apply. The indigenous Lagosian does not have any other place they can go to. So, the other 35 can always go somewhere else. what do you know about the history of Lagos?
Lagos did not grow from the soil. But we believe that there were Awori — people were here from as far back as God-knows when, but the time when Portuguese explorers came to West Africa, they were able to find a Lagos. That must have been around 1492, when all these Mungo Park types wanted to know the end of the Niger River flowing into the Atlantic Ocean. At that time, they met some people here. Those people might have been at Ebute Ero; they were at Iddo. Gradually, they formed a community and those were the very first people that came to Lagos. Very briefly, those who they met claimed to be Awori. Let us not bother about where they came from — even people must go to London or Paris from somewhere. God did not drop anybody from the sky with anything; people must come from someplace. So, they were the people who were in Lagos from 1492. They would be around Iddo, Ebute Meta, because the lagoon had been there for a long time. It was not manufactured by any government. Later, the people came from Benin; there was the Benin Empire, which was in existence in the 15th Century. This means there must have been some powerful people in the Benin-delta area. They found their way into Lagos. They must have been equipped with more ammunition and money than the people they met in Lagos. They formed the royalty.
There is no historical record that there was a battle between the Bini and the Awori. I think there was a kind of evolution; I think the Bini came with some money and commodities and said, ‘We are from Benin. We are establishing our empire on the West Coast. What do you think?’ And I think the forefathers in Lagos, who were fishermen, said, ‘We are not as sophisticated as you. We are not as civilised. Have you brought something to develop this place?’ They (the immigrants) would say yes. And they (indigenes) would say, ‘We own the land. What have you come for? Do you want to start a war?’ Lagos people — the Awori people — originally were very peaceful; that is why Lagos stayed peaceful.
There was no battle to conquer Lagos by the Bini. But the Benin created the royalty which (the Oba of Lagos, Oba Rilwan) Akiolu represents today. He’s Benin royalty – I am from that family. I am a descendant of Oba Ado who came to Lagos. So, the Idejo, the owners of Apapa, Iddo, Lagos Island (as whatever it was then) acknowledged that they now have somebody who had come to establish a government. But the person who came to establish government acknowledged that there were some people who were the owners of the land. That mentality still remains to date. The white-cap chiefs (Aworis) are the owners of the land (in Lagos) and the obas are the royalty that should decide what happens. That means Lagos, from day one, accommodated people. Don’t believe Akiolu, Aworis were settled in Lagos long before the Bini.
I will talk clearly about the first settlers because when you talk about ownership, these are people who are very greedy, speculating one thing just to grab land. So, the very first settlers are the Awori. The Awori were fishermen; they were very few. They are from Olofin. They occupy the Iddo area. They must have been very few. Then later came the Benin royalty; they became the ones who had the real political power in Lagos. They started from Benin. So, we are not talking about owners of Lagos now. Nobody says anybody should be the owner of Nigeria. You can talk of the first settlers and the first government. The first settlers were the Awori. The first government was from Benin. Then to make Lagos a city at all, there were two other sets of people: the Brazilian slaves of Yoruba origin, who came in 1852, and the Yoruba-speaking slaves, who came from Freetown, Sierra Leone. They came around 1854.
Those are the four sets of people that created Lagos Island, not Lagos State now. It was then that Lagos was established under the kingdom of the Benin royalty. So, the Benin royalty became the government until the British came. Specifically, (the arrival of) the Benin royalty was around 1690, just before the 18thcentury. That was when the Binis came. The Aworis were said to have been in Lagos in the early 1500s. And those slaves who came from Brazil arrived around 1852 and 1854. what is your reaction to oba Akiolu’s claim that Lagos belongs to the Bini?
I don’t agree with him. Lagos does not belong to anybody. Lagos does not belong to the Bini, neither can one say Lagos belongs to the Awori, because people who come settling in a place must have their land they occupy. That’s the one that belongs to you. Talking about Lagos Island, the Awori were at Iddo by the railway station, extended to Isale Eko. Then when the Bini came, they extended further to Otto, the Ijora-apapa area, and also to some parts of Ebute Meta. Lagos Island was beginning to get to Idumagbo. It didn’t get to Brazilian Quarters, Lafiaji or Tinubu Square. I don’t believe that anybody can claim ownership of any place. Only people who settle there will own some land. They may sell it, then, the government will acquire it. Political situations happen every day in human life.
Olowogbowo, marina and all those commercial areas were occupied by the slaves from Sierra Leone. Then the slaves came from Brazil and occupied the Coker-aguda area. Draw a diagram of a square and divide it into four parts; each of these four parts. Don’t make up your mind that because the Oba has said something, you ought to believe that. My book (on the history of Lagos) was well researched. I have all the authorities there. Don’t believe any story that is different unless they can give you some documents. You can ask me; I am an indigene and I belong to the royal family. I am more of royalty than the man who spoke (of Lagos belonging to the Bini).
So, all other people should know. We just want the facts to be there. People are snatch-and-grab, getting plots (of land) to themselves. They even came to the house I own in Lagos (Island), apart from the one in Victoria Island. People buy land and do all sorts of things; there is corruption all over the place. They have spoilt the country; so, they now want to create states and merge Lagos with (others). There are too many criminals around. May God help us. Somehow, they will not win; they will lose eventually. That is what I believe. Is the royalty of oba Ado still potent today?
The royalty (of Oba Ado) remains and brought chiefs from Benin. There were chiefs in Lagos; they formed a community, but they had no problem. They gave land to Oba Ado to establish a government. The oba came with some chiefs. They gave him the Idejo and they formed a council that governed the staff. So, everybody did what they were doing — fishermen, traders, farmers, etc. That was the origin of Lagos and it has never caused trouble. Gradually, more people keep coming. There is bound to be a situation where there are more people coming into Lagos than people who have been in Lagos. You can’t help that. All megacities are like that. But maybe when you go to vote at elections, the population of Lagos indigenes must be less than 20 per cent. But it has not caused trouble even in England. The Queen (of England) belongs to the indigenes. The constitution recognises that there is royalty in England. There must have been other people apart from the royal family. Then, there is democracy — the House of Commons and the House of Lords. There are local governments all over the place. It doesn’t create a problem because the people recognise that the Queen is there. In Lagos, the people recognise that the oba is there. But then, the political situation gets to a stage where some people are now drunk. They say that Lagos belongs to them. It does not!
I went to England and came back; that is a land that the government developed and allocated it to people. They wanted to allocate it to people who could afford to develop it. In 1966, I was a young man, about 35 years old. I was one of the few Lagosians that were chartered accountants. So, they would have to invite me and say, ‘musiliu, do you want to take a plot?’ Other people took it. On this street, I could not find five indigenes. Right across the road is a property owned by an Igbo man. We have never quarrelled. A man who used to contest the Presidency owned that one there; he is dead now. He was from Niger Delta. We did not quarrel. But people get into government by winning the election. If I won the (Lagos State governorship) election in 1990 — (michael) Otedola won the primaries in my party — I am sure Lagos would be far more advanced than whatever they are trying to do now because the present politicians are not sincere. I am sincere. My father taught me to be sincere. My religion taught me to be sincere. My profession taught me to be sincere. I cannot enlist myself with anything (disreputable). That is the way a Lagosian is brought up. I do not feel comfortable that my children are not going to be able to get what any other citizen of Nigerian can get in his/her own state or anywhere else.
But then, the constitution protects them. My attention has been drawn to the constitution that says that indigenes should be protected in such a way that in anything, the indigenes, who have no other place to go, should be considered. But we don’t get that. To save our time, we get insulted by some types of people. Meanwhile, Musiliu Anibaba has been here in Lagos. He’s been at the methodist Boys High School and City of London College. He’s been the President of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria, and presently, Chairman of Lagos Elders Council of Pensioners; all over the place, contributing to the development of sports and more as a former Chairman of Table Tennis Association, they tell him, ‘Keep quiet, Wole Soyinka is speaking.’ Why should that be? Wole Soyinka normally should look up to me because I had left Methodist Boys High School before he entered Government College, Ibadan. And by my belief, Ibadan is not as civilised as Lagos. We (Soyinka and I) don’t have anything to compete for but I can congratulate him on being a Nobel laureate. He too needs to admire me for whatever I have been able to achieve, whether in the realm of sports, accountancy, social life in Lagos, etc. My children are all over the world; most of them are in Lagos. This is our problem: we do not enjoy the nagging of people who believe that, gradually, our children and great-grandchildren will be pushed to the wall. what do you think is responsible for this belief that Lagos belongs to no man?
It is as a result of corruption. A former Prime Minister of England, David Cameron, described us as fantastically corrupt. That is what makes them say Lagos belongs to no man. So, the reason for saying Lagos is no-man’s land is corruption. Those who really say that are criminals. A truant can come to Lagos and go to the motor park to become an agbero (thug). Then if he is successful, he owns a danfo (commercial bus). He goes on to become a councillor and council chief. Then he owns a land and the next thing you hear him say is, ‘Lagos is no-man’s land’. I was in England; I would not say England doesn’t belong to anybody. I would never say as a Lagosian that nobody else should come to Lagos. It is not possible. God did not create us like that. My parents did not grow from under the water and they did not drop (from the sky). They must have come from somewhere. Those who you call Lagosians today are those who have been able to establish themselves in Lagos before the geographical recognition of Lagos with the 1861 treaty with the British government. That was when the Lagos settlement was recognised. All those who were here at that time were Lagosians indigenously. They didn’t know any other place. They are in the Brazilian Quarters, Isale Eko, Olowogbowo and Ita Faji.
So, the Idejo, the owners of Apapa, Iddo, Lagos Island (as whatever it was then) acknowledged that they now have somebody who had come to establish a government. But the person who came to establish government acknowledged that there were some people who were the owners of the land.that mentality still remains to date.the white-cap chiefs (Aworis) are the owners of the land (in Lagos) and the obas are the royalty that should decide what happens’

forgiveness:
As soon as read Eyo originated from Oba of Lagos, I knew she is a revisionist.


'E so ru nll Ku RU' does that sound Awori?

macof:
Smh. Awori(represented by the Idejo) never paid royalties. The bini descedants in Lagos did. Shes confusing her clan of people with all Awori. Admittedly bini descendants(which she is) are integrated into the Awori group but they still organised themselves differently. Awori land starts from Ado-odo in Ogun state till Lagos town(Lagos island)
The Ado-odo group is one, Ota group(or what remains of the Awori in Ota) is one, Iseri and Ikeja areas are another, the mainland and island Awori are another then the assimilated bini descendants in the island are another.
Let's stop using sentiments to discuss history in this country

codemaniacs:
unless you're bini... the way you're contradicting yourself again...

you said "The Oyo Yoruba and bini conquered territories"

then said "This is because the monarchs have the same origin. They hardly fight each other"..

how can the binis conquer yoruba territories and the yorubas won't react... the yorubas allowed binis stay in Yoruba land for a reason maybe they were training the binis...

post=63146416:
Bad day for Afonjas, real owner are talking, watch how they will insult her for saying th
e truth.

baby124:

Are you minding her? The woman doesn’t even have a straight story. What a fantasy. She doesn’t want her family to be seen as interlopers. I think the Obaship of Lagos Island might be threatened in some way. So they are planting useless stories everywhere. Eyo is from Ijebus.

Tundeobama:
Why is it that is Yoruba that's its selling land in Lagos as their heritage while Benin are mostly tenants,they jump ondo and ogun come own Lagos even a baby know this is a fabricated lie,Benin wey ijaw dey deal with in edo state.get ready to own ogun and oyo success is coming through

Pigsandidiots:
Royalty ko, rayalro ni. Bini, own Lagos, Bini own oyo, bini own ondo, bini own onitsa. Where did they now come from. They leave town like ore n owo but go to own Lagos that has no boundary with them. This is laughable. Aunty erelu, why didn't you bring out fact for your claim.

JeetKuneDo:
Imagine the bollox talking nonsense about how Benin owned Lagos but they never resided there She no even sabi cook lie sef lol. Like I said on another platform, this is simply a silent battle between the Bini institution on the Island and the Idejo families. So far, the narrative has been very one-sided because the Idejo families aren't saying anything. Dem don open their own yansh now, cos the Idejo families would start thinking there is an ulterior motive behind this recent talk of Lagos ownership.

Anyway, na dem sabi sha. After all, we are atohunrinwa. E go be

codemaniacs:
no one paid royalty to the binis.. there are fewer binis than yorubas... If you have ever read yoruba history you'll they fought together and were very deceptive to non-yorubas..