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bezimo:
Freeze is not just an unbeliever he is on an evil mission to confuse young and new believers in the faith as commissioned by Satan himself.
Freeze is far too small for Bishop Oyedepo to be replying besides it's not in his nature to reply criticism, a pastor tore one of Bishop oyedepo book on the alter after criticising him..it was that bad but Bishop never replied. Where is that pastor?

The Pastor who did it is well and alive and his ministry is growing well. He is very well respected nationally and internationally unlike those who collected Jonathan's billions only to deceive him.

Bwoodlt:
I completely understand and respect your viewpoint Sir. Again, to each, his own. So rather than prolonging this, I'll just keep it simple. Its not a question of fear or indoctrination, Its only morally right that you appreciate someone/people you benefit tremendously from. If you are to attend a motivational speaking event, you pay for tickets, buy tapes and so on. Now, your pastor feed you spiritually with the word of God, inspire and motivate you, serve as a spiritual father e.t.c, its even biblical that you appreciate him. Not to mention when you benefit tremendously from his published books and other materials. Hate doesn't have a place in our society, regardless of how the world pay us back, we are still to be that good, that 'salt' of the world. To help make the world a better place.

Thanks for your response Sir.

Thank you for the courtesy and civility of your argument. The world would be a more interesting place if people with different ideas, religion and political orientation can live together and exchange ideas without fear or intimidation.

I take this tithe issue seriously because I feel the religious elite are exploiting the poor masses to enrich themselves. The world is skewed in such a way that the rich need to exploit the poor to keep and maintain their riches. This is what is obtained In the political, economic and even the religious arena. This is the same reason 1% of the world population holds 50% of the wealth in the world.

There is no reason to appreciate a motivational speaker you already paid for his books, tickets and tapes, by further giving him your money, else we would seek and pay money to all the authors of books I used in school to acquire knowledge and pass exams. I think the reason you guys appreciate your author pastor is because his books mandate you dash him ( he will say God) money to access the gains of his book.

This statement is faulty in so many ramifications;

Now, your pastor feed you spiritually with the word of God, inspire and motivate you, serve as a spiritual father e.t.c

First calling anyone but God your father is not biblical;

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Then your pastor is not to feed your spiritually as your pastor is no higher than you on the spiritual scale;

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

he is not making money from the books nor from the schools. i bet he is saving it for his children and grandchildren cos we dont see any winners chapel charity home or anything they do.

and pls dont tell me the "he doesn't have to show it on social media story"

Statsocial:
This man has sold more books than Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe, Chimamanda all put together despite piracy. If he were to take proceeds of tapes and books alone na billionaire. Yet some funny individuals will ask you how he is rich. I was amazed myself to find out in 2015 that he does not earn from Books proceed neither does he take Salary. It is the church that takes the proceeds.

Same with their Universities. In this case neither the Church nor Oyedepo takes profit(even though they can if they desire to). Everything is reinvested back into the system and the Church adds some more billions to the Universities annually. At times Oyedepo also gives to the Universities from his own pocket.

the money he has how does he earn them?

mofedamijo:
Bro they get gifts from pple daily,pple who have been blessed by thier sermon,prayers and books,that man should b getting nothing less than 300million naira monthly from gifts,he has top c.e.os in Nigeria and overseas as members,they have millions of members all over the world some re not rich some re extremely wealthy,when pst adeboye said they needed 1billion for church building he was talking to the billionaires in the church,n they will respond.

ok he gets rich by the gifts of his members ok, how about giving back to the society? how about building low cos houses, low cost schools as we know now that illiteracy and ignorance is on of the problems we have. there re more churches in the world than is needed and yet, try feeding the poor, provide accommodation, clothing... that is also blessing u know.
wats the point building big churches and people only go the to show off

gwinaB:
The church has a board, has a finance team. No one can arbitrarily take money, not even the President of the Church. That is the reason they are up. Accountability from the top.

Who owns the church oga?

Statsocial:
You would be amazed at how much people financially bless pastors which is biblical Gal6:6
Secondly, do you know that after the Forbes report he said 1) that is an insult 2) I don't see myself laying that much in my account.

No 1 went viral but no 2 didn't go viral because the enemies of the Church love controversies rather than clarity. We later discovered Forbes had valued Covenant to come up with the ridiculous 150million USD tag(mind you Covenant infrastructure is worth more than 250 million USD). Covenant is registered as owned by WMA not Oyedepo hence cannot make up Oyedepo wealth.

I am not doubting that Oyedepo is wealthy but don't be too sure you know how much he truly owns.

what is the minimum amt that u think is given as gift to him and who are the givers

maybe ford family, bill and melinda gates
or nig politicians who are thiefs

Statsocial:
First of all. RCCG, LFC are bigger in numbers than some nations of the Earth with Millions of Members each. I once heard of a Man who saw Oyedepo at the Hotel and then he took a bag and threw it into his Hotel room. Of course they chased after him and he turned to be someone who just wanted to give money because he felt blessed by the Man's ministry. So yes when you pastor a church with millions of members their gifts can make you a billionaire.

But as a I said earlier on we are not trying to protect pastors but the congregation. So I am not concerned about whether my mentor gives to poor or not but how I have taken care of the poor myself. At the end Oyedepo, Myself and you would answer our different names in the presence of Christ. And he won't ask me if Oyedepo gave to poor. He would ask me if I gave to the poor.

threw a bag into his hotel room


i like this

and you want us to believe that ? nourish your soul with this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFWN3kVV_IE

wirinet:
Thank you for the courtesy and civility of your argument. The world would be a more interesting place if people with different ideas, religion and political orientation can live together and exchange ideas without fear or intimidation.

I take this tithe issue seriously because I feel the religious elite are exploiting the poor masses to enrich themselves. The world is skewed in such a way that the rich need to exploit the poor to keep and maintain their riches. This is what is obtained In the political, economic and even the religious arena. This is the same reason 1% of the world population holds 50% of the wealth in the world.

There is no reason to appreciate a motivational speaker you already paid for his books, tickets and tapes, by further giving him your money, else we would seek and pay money to all the authors of books I used in school to acquire knowledge and pass exams. I think the reason you guys appreciate your author pastor is because his books mandate you dash him ( he will say God) money to access the gains of his book.

This statement is faulty in so many ramifications;


First calling anyone but God your father is not biblical;



Then your pastor is not to feed your spiritually as your pastor is no higher than you on the spiritual scale;

Like I previously said, to each his own. I'm not really interested in going over tithe and offering argument or attempt to provide a counterargument on the highlighted. I understand this is quite a sensitive area, as a result, i'll lay this to rest here. I must appreciate the time, have learnt a thing or two and like you said, its important to have diverse viewpoints - thats what brings about growth! Again, thank you for sharing! Hope to connect soon.

MuttleyLaff:
¹³When the Jewish Passover was near, Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
¹⁴In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables.
¹⁵So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle.
He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
¹⁶To those selling doves He said,
“Get these out of here!
How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”
- John 2:13-16

Jesus whilst on earth and knew how to write, didnt even write a single farthing book
When Jesus did however decided to write, He wrote in the sands and the wind soon blew the writing away

If Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth, here, now, momentarily, just for second, He will, AGAIN, get hold of a whip,
and beat the living daylights out of these pastors for their filthy lucre

How dare, take advantage of people because they listen to you on a regular basis
Milking the sheeple and fleecing the sheep of their hard earned money by selling them "best selling books" etcetera

The best way Jesus could communicate to people in those days was through the oral means and for your info there was no way He could have printed books those dat because there was no available technology to print in bulk at that time.. He used the only available means then to preach to the people.
And it was never accounted in the Bible that Jesus was poor.He was constantly blessed with things by the people in the community.the Bible even said that He found favour in God and Man
Because Jesus came from a humble home does not mean he was poor or lacked anything

chloride6:
90% of the students there dont pay?

Do you know what is $10 million?

Guy you are a terrible liar.... very terrible at that

10 million dollars is nothing to some people. someone just bought a painting 450 million dollars
Will u say that 10 million dollars is something to that person..u are just poor admit it

divicoded:
Thank you my brother, I really don't blame many of the people yearning this rubbish, I actually blame tecno.

Many of these buddies writing all these nonsense are toddlers whom their mothers still need to wash their arse foe them after using the toilets. But guess what, tecno has allowed every Tom, Dick and Harry to have phones.

I sincerely hope that Nairaland will become a paid forum when day when all these toddlers will Ni be around again

Brother in as much as I understand that you're trying to pass a message. I disagree with your unchrist like way's... Why should you resort to casting aspersions and raining insults...Pass your message without insult afterall didn't your bible tell you to turn your face to the right when slapped on the left cheeks.Calm down my brother & pray that God divinely enlightens these men of little understanding,after all we have a living God who can defend himself and also more importantly man is not the foe,the devil is.

Every true believe is a priest as declared by Peter and we have one HIGH PRIEST Messiah. Priests are not levites. Tithes are food under old covenant. Peter, Jesus, Paul, early church up to AD 777 never tithe Fact!
The first tithe was made compulsory by roman emperor in 777 AD. Go and do your research. Peter, Paul, James, john etc all know they are not eligible for tithe. All the early church leaders new tithe was of old. They never taught or collected or paid tithe.

bezimo:
The problem with you is that you are interpreting scriptures in the letters -2 Cor 3:6 and as such very ignorant.I am not surprised after all Satan knows the scriptures but CANNOT interpret it by the Spirit correctly because he can't have the Holy Spirit.

Comparing spiritual things with spiritual 1 Cor 2:3.
Who is a priest? Rev 1:6 tells us who is a priest in the new testament.We see believers in Christ are seen as priests and Kings.
Who are the modern day priest? From Mal 2:7..we see a priest as also defined as a man who carries the knowledge of God to feed God's people with, Which in modern day Christianity are Pastors, Teachers, Apostle and prophets who teach the God's word to the people of God in church as directed by God now comparing that with Jer 3:15. We see pastors are asked to feed the people of God with the knowledge of God. So priest are pastors also. So trying to confuse yourself on who are the priest and who is not can't achieve anything.
God instructed in Malachi 3:10 tithes to be brought to his storehouse( the modern day churhes were a believer is fed and taught the word of God)..so that God will keep the heavens of the tither open. In Heb 7:8 we are told that when the tithe is brought to God's storehouse(the church) men that die( refering to God ordained priest) receives the tithe and Jesus in heaven also receives the tithe and record it.

So your ignorance of trying to explain away the fact that tithing is commanded by God and must be done so that the tither can enjoy the blessings of tithing as enumerated in Mal 3:10-13..is spiritually daft and absurd. I am a tither and I know the difference between when I was not tithing and when I embraced the truth of tithing. The difference is clear.

I hope your case is not as bad as what Jesus described in Matt 15:14
Let them alone(e.g those arguing tithe): they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind( the person debating tithe) lead the blind( the person buying into the lie), both shall fall into the ditch.

Statsocial:
This man has sold more books than Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe, Chimamanda all put together despite piracy. If he were to take proceeds of tapes and books alone na billionaire. Yet some funny individuals will ask you how he is rich. I was amazed myself to find out in 2015 that he does not earn from Books proceed neither does he take Salary. It is the church that takes the proceeds.

Same with their Universities. In this case neither the Church nor Oyedepo takes profit(even though they can if they desire to). Everything is reinvested back into the system and the Church adds some more billions to the Universities annually. At times Oyedepo also gives to the Universities from his own pocket.

wont it be the very best way of re investment if members kids can go to the Uni cheap if teh meet grades? would that not draw more people to attend thereby winning more souls for jesus?

nicemuyoo:
Every true believe is a priest as declared by Peter and we have one HIGH PRIEST Messiah. Priests are not levites. Tithes are food under old covenant. Peter, Jesus, Paul, early church up to AD 777 never tithe Fact!
The first tithe was made compulsory by roman emperor in 777 AD. Go and do your research. Peter, Paul, James, john etc all know they are not eligible for tithe. All the early church leaders new tithe was of old. They never taught or collected or paid tithe.

Based on what scriptures stating they didnt do it?

Timidaves:
The best way Jesus could communicate to people in those days was through the oral means and for your info there was no way He could have printed books those dat because there was no available technology to print in bulk at that time..
He used the only available means then to preach to the people.
And it was never accounted in the Bible that Jesus was poor.
He was constantly blessed with things by the people in the community.the Bible even said that He found favour in God and Man
Because Jesus came from a humble home does not mean he was poor or lacked anything

Apart from you going off on an unnecessary tangent,
are you seriously trying to suggest that if Jesus was to relive living on earth today, He will print books and sell for preaching to people?

kayalla:
ok he gets rich by the gifts of his members ok, how about giving back to the society? how about building low cos houses, low cost schools as we know now that illiteracy and ignorance is on of the problems we have. there re more churches in the world than is needed and yet, try feeding the poor, provide accommodation, clothing... that is also blessing u know.
wats the point building big churches and people only go the to show off

Try n do a little research n dont always bliv what u see on the internet,they have been giving buh pple wont show that aspect,bishop oyedepo has been sending foods n medical aids to nothing less than 70+ countries including idp camp in Nigeria,tarred roads built schools,scholarships,built labs in universities,I stumbled upon r.c.c.g on dove media sometimes back n they were distributing relief materials to one country i cant recall the country,they sent docs there as well,built a school there........but nobody wants to talk about that,i am not here to support them,but pple re not saying the truth,all they see is the private jet,n tithe......

Statsocial:
I HAVE NEVER EARNED MONEY FROM MY BOOKS-Bishop Oyedepo puts to rest arguments on how much he makes from his books.

By Leke Beecroft

In no unclear terms, the presiding Bishop of the Living Faith Church clarified the argument on his income/royalty from books he publishes. Till date, Bishop Oyedepo has released over 110 books and over 10 million copies have been sold since 1993 when Dominion Publishing House (DPH) the printing and publishing arm of the ministry was established. According to him, his first two books were released in 1985. Presently, the DPH owns a state of the art printing press with machines imported from Germany and yet the books are among the cheapest sold.

In his words while announcing the new Bibles being published by the Church:

“We are venturing into production of Bibles into all languages across Africa.
Publishing is to us a ministry, not a business.

I have never drawn a dime from my books once-we only feed from the testimonies that come in.

No author from DPH earns a dime from the books in DPH yet it sells round the world.

We sell the cheapest of all Christian literature and we produce among the best.

The Church has never drawn from DPH since inception.

Why are we so blessed? We are doing the right thing.

Is it wrong to get money from books? No, but that’s not my style with Jesus” the Bishop concluded.

Some new books authored by Bishop Oyedepo and his wife, Pastor Faith Oyedepo and published by the DPH were announced at Shiloh 2017, among them are:


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1234485350028667&id=444807728996437

Con Men.
Hold ur wallets well well.
The money u make is basically to flex ur self, take care of ur parents n siblings n for charity too, help anyone in need.

Giving 15 - 25 percent of ur income to a pastor who owns 4 private jet a cosing over 100 million dollars is the worse form of self hate

Statsocial:
This man has sold more books than Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe, Chimamanda all put together despite piracy. If he were to take proceeds of tapes and books alone na billionaire. Yet some funny individuals will ask you how he is rich. I was amazed myself to find out in 2015 that he does not earn from Books proceed neither does he take Salary. It is the church that takes the proceeds.

Same with their Universities. In this case neither the Church nor Oyedepo takes profit(even though they can if they desire to). Everything is reinvested back into the system and the Church adds some more billions to the Universities annually. At times Oyedepo also gives to the Universities from his own pocket.

Stop fooooling ur self publicly n stop trying to confuse others. Oyedepo has 4 private jets n the one of his jets is Gulf stream 550. It goes for well over 30 million dollars, that's over 10 billion naira for one get.

Oyedepo is just a con business man that uses threats n fear tactics to steal people's money.

bukatyne:
How does he make his money?

He doesn't claim the proceeds if his books;
He doesn't spend the tithes of members;
He doesn't have a day job as far as I can tell;

So how exactly does he make his plenty money? He is one of the richest pastors o!

Leave those foools

Statsocial:
This man has sold more books than Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe, Chimamanda all put together despite piracy. If he were to take proceeds of tapes and books alone na billionaire. Yet some funny individuals will ask you how he is rich. I was amazed myself to find out in 2015 that he does not earn from Books proceed neither does he take Salary. It is the church that takes the proceeds.

Same with their Universities. In this case neither the Church nor Oyedepo takes profit(even though they can if they desire to). Everything is reinvested back into the system and the Church adds some more billions to the Universities annually. At times Oyedepo also gives to the Universities from his own pocket.

You are either a mere keyboard agent or a beneficiary of the corruption in the house of God bro. Nigerians are just wiser today than before.
How can you ignorantly call someone who doesn't believe in your pagan practice of tithing an "unbeliever"? Are you more Christian than others because you ignorantly fund your MOG's lifestyle? For your information, money is not even a part of the equation of holiness in the scriptures - as it is written, you cannot serve God & mammon together.

bezimo:
Oh I am a fraud because I believe in tithing that is working for me as commanded by God.
Sorry you case is worse than the blind as described in Matt 15:14. claiming to know yet knowing nothing! You uncircumcised son of ishmeal what does thou has to do with tithing talk? Please stay in your Lane!!

You are not a fraud because you believe in tithing. You are a fraud because you twist the scriptures to justify your beliefs. He proved to you beyond every shadow of doubt that Malachi which Pastors like to quote to foist tithing on the people and threaten them with curses was addressed to the priestly class in the old testament and you went on to write some warped jumble. You are wrongly dividing the word of truth.

Statsocial:
This man has sold more books than Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe, Chimamanda all put together despite piracy. If he were to take proceeds of tapes and books alone na billionaire. Yet some funny individuals will ask you how he is rich. I was amazed myself to find out in 2015 that he does not earn from Books proceed neither does he take Salary. It is the church that takes the proceeds.

Same with their Universities. In this case neither the Church nor Oyedepo takes profit(even though they can if they desire to). Everything is reinvested back into the system and the Church adds some more billions to the Universities annually. At times Oyedepo also gives to the Universities from his own pocket.

How does money get into HIS OWN POCKET? Enough to buy a private jet. I don't even have an issue against the jet. But what is the source of the jet since all the money goes into the ministry.

Statsocial:
Some might wonder why I post so much about pastors and the church. It is certainly not because I idolise any man whatsoever. Oyedepo, Adeboye and the rest are just Generals in God's Army so unbelievers persecuting them is not an issue.
However we are not oblivious of the strategy of the kingdom of Hell which is to Take aim at the Set men and scuttle the congregation, with congregations scuttled many would relegate out of faith. This is particularly the reason why I no longer get involved in the Tithing debate. The majority of those who are Anti Tithing are not lovers of the Church. You would usually see them say things like "Churches are too much, we need Industries" but a True lover of the Church must first see himself as a Christian and every other thing like Tribe and Nationality comes second hence my church validates your country and not the other way.

I'm using this medium to admonish True lovers of the Church not to fall for the same trap Eve fell for. Do not engage in a conversation where you are unaware of the underlying Motivations of the individual you are debating with. Eve argued with the Devil concerning the things of God. He(devil) was technically right by twisting a concept in his assertion and it led to the fall of man.

In the midst of any noise in the Church, Heaven or Hell must gain. Ask yourself who gains by these noise on Tithing. The Enemy would make you think it is Heaven that would gain just like the Serpent deceived Eve by telling her all she would gain by eating the fruit.

Secondly, know the priorities of Christ and ask yourself if Jesus would be igniting a debate about Tithing in a world where Christians are loosing Faith, Divorce in Church is high and there is Sexual Immorality pervading some Churches.

Lastly, study your Christian faith(or religion) and understand how changes occur in d church. How did we get to correct some doctrinal errors in the church. Did we have to pull Methodist down for Hagin to emerge, did we have to pull Anglican down for Oyedepo to emerge or did we have to pull Apostolic faith down for Kumuyi to emerge. These men came out of these ministries and tried to correct some things yet the ministries they emerged from are spared onslaught. As Christ said "any house standing against itself cannot stand". Hagin did not condemn Methodist for kicking him out when he got big because he knew only the Devil benefits.

I believe Papa Hagin was originally a Baptist from his books that I have read ... Just yesterday I discovered I can have E copies of Papa Oyedepo's books , from dominion store website ....So happy

tiwiex:
How does money get into HIS OWN POCKET? Enough to buy a private jet. I don't even have an issue against the jet. But what is the source of the jet since all the money goes into the ministry.

The church bought the jet... I mean the world mission agency ... The first one was acquired after it was announced during service some years back that the amount going into air tickets and delays at the airport needed to be sensibly managed .... Just that day, men and women gave money and the aircraft was bought cash and delivered same month. Since then it has been replaced a number of times


Currently, the mission owns two, one for papa Oyedepo and the other for papa Abioye. Both are justified .... The man that presided over the services of yesterday has left the country by now .... That is how his schedule is ..

Mujtahida:
You are not a fraud because you believe in tithing. You are a fraud because you twist the scriptures to justify your beliefs. He proved to you beyond every shadow of doubt that Malachi which Pastors like to quote to foist tithing on the people and threaten them with curses was addressed to the priestly class in the old testament and you went on to write some warped jumble. You are wrongly dividing the word of truth.

Like Statsocial, this is likely my last comment on Tithing .... You are a priest ... If you don't know this you don't know anything.... He died so you can reign here on the earth as a priest and king unto our God ... Rev 5:10 ....Mal 3 was addressing priest not levites who were the ones appointed to receive And partake in the tithes


Everyone of us is a priest. The Bible said so ..I am not assuming it

Thank you

Themandator:
Like Statsocial, this is likely my last comment on Tithing .... You are a priest ... If you don't know this you don't know anything.... He died so you can reign here on the earth as a priest and king unto our God ... Rev 5:10 ....Mal 3 was addressing priest not levites


Thank you

I don't get your drift. It's vague cos I don't get the context you are coming from. Perhaps this is not actually directed at me.

tiwiex:
How does money get into HIS OWN POCKET? Enough to buy a private jet. I don't even have an issue against the jet. But what is the source of the jet since all the money goes into the ministry.

The jets are the church's transport properties. Hence just like the thousands of buses used to convey members every sunday, the jets are also funded by the Church. Oyedepo doesn't use all the jets either. One is allocated to the Missions headquarters in Abuja and serves Abioye.

PrecisionFx:
Stop fooooling ur self publicly n stop trying to confuse others. Oyedepo has 4 private jets n the one of his jets is Gulf stream 550. It goes for well over 30 million dollars, that's over 10 billion naira for one get.

Oyedepo is just a con business man that uses threats n fear tactics to steal people's money.

Oyedepo doesn't have jets the ministry does.

Timidaves:
10 million dollars is nothing to some people. someone just bought a painting 450 million dollars
Will u say that 10 million dollars is something to that person..u are just poor admit it

Who bought a painting 450 Million?