princechurchill:
Giving God little out of the abundance u have gotten is a personal decision... Don't tell a man how to spend his fortune if u didn't contributed a dime

when did giving to conmen equal giving to god?
Whom did god nominate or appoint to receive abundance, especially MONEY, on his behalf ?

In what way is giving to the needy different from giving to god ?

Abudu2000:
I had read through all ur replies and if you can go back and read them so u see how foolish and dumb you sound.. I'm convinced to go with daddyfreeze

Why won't you go with him? A fool calling someone foolish. Dont you read both are decently educating themselves with no bad words. Grow in!

felixomor:

And how long did the distribution continue?
Continue swimming my dear.

Besides can u tell us the name of the pastor that pockets church money?
And give your evidence

Oga u r just protecting ur investment....that's y u r seeing the truth but fighting tooth and nial to stay afloat even wen u not making sense

If Freeze is against tith, as against bible instructions, why don't you obey God to the fullest.
Now you are asking for the Same tithe for the poor, is obedience not better than sacrifice ?
Nigerian are so gullible.
if someone comes now and support gay, divorce and premarital sex, Nigerians will still support him.
I'm watching, after tithe I will see the next area of attack against the church of God and his servants.

What if someone WANTS to pay his/her tithe? How does it concern you? Is it your money?

princechurchill:
Giving God little out of the abundance u have gotten is a personal decision... Don't tell a man how to spend his fortune if u didn't contributed a dime

What god needs the possessions of mortal men?

felixomor:
Stop deceiving yourself.
Money given to a bible believing church is also giving money to God.
They are all important

The gospel supercedes every other form of food.

Can a hungry man listen to any gospel?

Sultannayef:
Tithe is a scam. Imagine if I should pay 10% of my income to the church. Geez.. it's a lot. I would never ever do that. I'd prefer to feed and clothe hundreds of destitutes roaming the streets. For your information, I'm a Christian..

If you're a Christian Then,you don't understand the true meaning of tithe

rejosom:


Fine,

Thanks for being honest... That's what you were thought in Sunday school. It us not the Bible. First, no where in the bible is it written that tithe is not a law. Every law is obligatory.

2nd...You don't really need the holy spirit to understand plain English. There are Bible versions written in plain English, pick them up and read for yourself with your brain and not with the brain of your Sunday school teacher.

Guy make una leave Church people alone and their God, God send una, if you no dey go church like us leave them and their tithe, abi na gun them use collect the tithe from una hand?
Make nairaland careful ooo, you guys maybe fighting God thinking you are doing him good, God maybe keeping quite when he will act, no fight for God, God is too big to fight for himself,.
When God Called the pastors me and you no dey there.
One pastor for my area, has never had normal youthful pleasure every other guy enjoys, from that time till now, dey suffer since dey fast and pray, do evangelissm ,if person come manage bless that man with range and better house, you go come open mouth curse the guy?
God go come after you. After Una daddy freezer done enjoy the world finish, na pastors him want blow abi?

Una dey fight for the poor , God send you,? person wey done misuse him opportunity for life come become poor, dey find people tithe to chop.
some boys in my area dey do wetin them dey call yahoo, d carry girls, buy better clothes, everyone dey support them, when curse go come for the next generation in the form of poverty, you will come and blame pastors and have pity on someone under God's judgment.
Guy, some of thses churches are trying in teaching bible morals, how many morals we don obey?
How many christian morals pastor Daddy Freeze dey obey? him no dey carry babes?
I go give the poor , I go still support God work.
Next Sunday I go still give my wife tithe pay for her church.
Our governments don spoil the country, we want blame pastors.

felixomor:
Stop deceiving yourself.
Money given to a bible believing church is also giving money to God.
They are all important

The gospel supercedes every other form of food.

We are gods, so give the money to us u scum

Mujtahida:

You are arguing with the wrongest person. Even the Holy Spirit cannot change his mind once it heads in a particular direction. He'd rather engage in the most bewildering and annoying sophistry than change his mind in the face of overwhelming evidence. He's trying to manipulate you by saying if you say that pastors are over fed then you have no business being in church. Well let me show you that perhaps even the God himself who spoke in the Bible ought not to be in church because he called out the priests and prophets feeding themselves and starving the people:

Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds, the leaders of Israel. Give them this message from the Sovereign LORD: What sorrow awaits you shepherds who feed yourselves instead of your flocks. Shouldn't shepherds feed their sheep?


You drink the milk, wear the wool, and butcher the best animals, but you let your flocks starve.Ezekiel 34:4

In short read the whole of Ezekiel 34.

So don't let any wanna-be journeyman defender of the faith guilt shame you. It is only those who are ignorant of church history that would be surprised with the thievery going on in the name of tithes and offerings. Historically right from within the Bible and down through post-biblical times including our day, Priestcraft has always tended towards fleecing the people.

Exactly! The BRAINWASHING is so severe that it's scary! They worship only their pastor and GO, not even an Angel can convince these once. I mean the fact that while trying to defend Tithes their pastors started contracting each others, also the only Authority that has right to speak on this, The Association of Nigerian Theologians has spoken to clarify this, they said the Pastor's are all wrong and Tithes has nothing to do with Christians, cased closed. So what more do these guys want?

rejosom:


The statement I quoted earlier said "Money given to a bible believing church is also giving money to God." How do you reconcile it with the bible passage above?

Here's the problem. U people dnt understand. U want to use ur carnal mind to appreciate spiritual principles. You want to see where that boldened part is stated in the scriptures verbatim??

felixomor:


Oh i can see. You are not used to the bible,
Let me help you connect it.

The Phillipian Church collected money regularly from its church members and kept sending it to the Apostle Paul
And Paul acknowledged it that for them it was a sacrifice well pleasing unto God

He even went ahead to pray for them in Verse 19 (the famous "My God shall supply" )

So you got it now?

My dear, these people dnt understand these things dnt bother explaining scriptures to them.

Yes church needs money but then the pastor or GO should be be prudent enough to dedicate 90% to 'feeding' the flock rather than 90% feeding the 'shephard' and 1% feeding the flock. The remaining 9% is used to maintain the Church (that's if they do cos the congregation still donates separately towards that).

We see big big church halls being built and put to use just twice a week but thousands are out there without homes or food yet the 'church' feeds fat on these same people. God is watching you all

... And which church is non Bible believing?

felixomor:


Tithe has only one meaning in bible concordance.
If you want to add your own. U are alone.

And if your last line says people need money, but in your mind, church doesn't need money ba.
Yet you want to go to worship centres and feel comfortable when you worship God and share His word. But Church doesn't need money
Good o. Continue

Go sidon. I have friends guys who were real playboys back then screwing babes left right and center suddenly 'God called them', became pastor's and hammered big time but still screwing babes and people's wives upandan and you de say make we keep quiet? Na God go judge all of unaccessible.... Daddy Go worshipers. BTW Daddy Go is cryptic you know..... D GO.... Reposition the 'D' you get GOD... Bad people

Achorise:
Guy make una leave Church people alone and their God, God send una, if you no dey go church like us leave them and their tithe, abi na gun them use collect the tithe from una hand?
Make nairaland careful ooo, you guys maybe fighting God thinking you are doing him good, God maybe keeping quite when he will act, no fight for God, God is too big to fight for himself,.
When God Called the pastors me and you no dey there.
One pastor for my area, has never had normal youthful pleasure every other guy enjoys, from that time till now, dey suffer since dey fast and pray, do evangelissm ,if person come manage bless that man with range and better house, you go come open mouth curse the guy?
God go come after you. After Una daddy freezer done enjoy the world finish, na pastors him want blow abi?

Una dey fight for the poor , God send you,? person wey done misuse him opportunity for life come become poor, dey find people tithe to chop.
some boys in my area dey do wetin them dey call yahoo, d carry girls, buy better clothes, everyone dey support them, when curse go come for the next generation in the form of poverty, you will come and blame pastors and have pity on someone under God's judgment.
Guy, some of thses churches are trying in teaching bible morals, how many morals we don obey?
How many christian morals pastor Daddy Freeze dey obey? him no dey carry babes?
I go give the poor , I go still support God work.
Next Sunday I go still give my wife tithe pay for her church.
Our governments don spoil the country, we want blame pastors.

I implore all "real believers" NOT to engage in pointless arguments with Daddy Freeze and his followers/sympathizers. Arguing with people who analyse spiritual matters with human senses can be very unrealistic. In the end, we'll just end up looking bad or uncoordinated.


If you PAY your tithe in church, be faithful with it, if you don't You're still blessed... so says the scripture. but for us that "stup*dly" PAY, let us continue. The end of things is near, so we'll just wait for the big GEE to settle the matter Himself.


#Shalom

felixomor:


Philippians 4:15 And as you Philippians know, at the beginning of my gospel ministry, when I left Macedonia, no church shared with me in this matter of giving and receiving except you alone.

4:16 For even in Thessalonica on more than one occasion you sent something for my need.

4:17 It is not that I am seeking the gift. Rather, I seek the credit that abounds to your account.

4:18 For I have received all things, and I have plenty. I have all I need because I received from Epaphroditus your gifts—a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, very pleasing to God.

4:19 And my God will supply all that you need according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.....


Follow ?

and who said that? Jesus or apostle paul?

felixomor:


If you can call your pastor overfed
Then you have no business in the church
It means you dont see the pastor as a shepherd of Christ
You are deceiving yourself with such mindset in church.
Just Stay at home on sunday.

I am sure u will also ask me to show u where pastors are referred to as shepherds in the bible.


Secondly, i hope 10 percent of your last month earning actually went to the "poor"
If not all these brouhaha is actually pretending
And thats because you dont pay tithe and u dont want others to pay.
We know the truth behind it.

By the way you are just being a liar by saying that tithing is a "law" in today's church
The last time i checked, majority of Christians in nigerian churches dont pay tithe.
Many dont even drop offerings and many drop lesser denomination notes when they do.
You dont have to tell lies by saying "tithing" is a law in churches.

Tithing is supposed to be an increase and not your monthly salary. If there is no increase in your finances, what then are you tithing for. A farmer plants seed and harvest much more. Until his harvest, he cannot pay tithe. The wages of a hired servant should not be withheld for a night so says the Bible, for his mind is on the money. That is not an increase because most of us earning salaries know how difficult it is to manage till the next payday. Until we are taught how to save from our income so that at the end of the year, we can now pay tithe from our increase, the poor will always remain with us

Achorise:
If Freeze is against tith, as against bible instructions, why don't you obey God to the fullest.
Now you are asking for the Same tithe for the poor, is obedience not better than sacrifice ?
Nigerian are so gullible.
if someone comes now and support gay, divorce and premarital sex, Nigerians will still support him.
I'm watching, after tithe I will see the next area of attack against the church of God and his servants.

so to help and show compassion to your fellow human being is an unjust cause in the eyes of God and hurting the church

princechurchill:
Giving God little out of the abundance u have gotten is a personal decision... Don't tell a man how to spend his fortune if u didn't contributed a dime

You contributed to your pastors fortune by tithing, gifts and so on. Have you ever told your pastors how to spend their fortune?

What I learn from this thread:
1. Religion has become a highly polarizing force especially in sub-Saharan Africa.
2. Self-acclaimed pastors and "men of god" are extremely powerful in Africa and have taken over the minds of many.
3. They have successfully 'interpreted' the good Book and indeed, reduced God to a transactional commodity exchange where you can pay for blessings depending on how much you are willing to part with using all sorts of 'principles' that are alien and indeed heretical. Doing good and living the life of righteousness in preparation for life-everlasting for which our Lord came and died has been buried in the heap of the materialistic new world.

It is depressing reading through this thread and all the name-calling. More so, when people would go to all lengths to defend something as clearly unchristian as the concept of "tithe". If we are truly "followers" of Jesus Christ, then we should be more concerned with "being our brothers' keepers" and less with keeping the laws of Moses, which itself was the reason Christ came and shed his precious blood.

My take: If we sincerely believe that we should get back to the pre-Jesus "principles" that worked in the Biblical times, then we should not be selective. We should apply them all to our lives. Examples abound in the Good Book:
There was the ritual of Passover where all male children were to offer blood sacrifices on the 10th day of the Passover month for God for salvation from sin and deliverance from bondage, there was the ritual of the feast of unleavened bread, feast of the first fruit, feast of atonement, feast of the tabernacles, etc. Jepthah had to kill his own daughter (a human being like all of us) as sacrifice to God for helping him win a war. Josiah executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. In Deuteronomy 13:13-19 the good book records the following commandment against unbelievers:

“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.”

It is either we accept the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus that was shed on the cross to set us free and try to be like him in our deeds (and he never paid or collected any tithe but he admonished us to love our neighbors as we love ourselves) or go back to the "principles" of old and relish in their sacrificial disposition to life, tithing being just one of the many for our blessings to come. It is sneaky to select tithing alone. We should start sacrificing our children on the alter too. It used to work. It still works.

rejosom:


First, you have craftly ignored the question about the biblical meaning of tithe? But it is up to you if you want to continue being dishonest with yourself to support your 'bible believing church'.

I only tried to correct the notion that the passage you quoted was about giving to a bible believing church, It was only talking about giving to someone who is in need.

As for which church is need, I don't know but I can point out to a number of persons that are in need in the church.

As for the church needing money to preach to 7 billion people on earth... that is a lie from the pit of hell. Nobody needs a dime to preach to anyone.

Errrmm, oga, see me after this session, I have a gift � for you. The 12 and 70 Jesus sent out to preach were asked to go with nothing, and they travelled long distances to preach. This one here is talking about needing money � to preach the gospel. Most modern day pastors know whom they are following, not Jesus, there is no similarity AT ALL. Jesus was so simple and looked like other apostles that he had to identify himself to the Roman army; and this is a man that has raised the dead, fed 5000 and 4000 at different occasions, yet made no noise about it. Jesus's life style was simple and all his disciples followed that pattern. Pastors need rocket � and jets to preach the word, what are they preaching, how to be prosperous in this dying world. Church goers are the people the bible referred to in Corinthians that their hearts have been blinded so that the illumination of the glorious goodnews might not shine through. What people want to hear is what the pastors tell them "your miracle is on the way" but theirs has arrived through you..lol. " 2018 is your year of abundance" but 2017 was theirs...every last month of the year they prophecy for that the incoming year is ur year, and you are lulled to sleep while they eat fat.

This issue of tithe has really exposed them, this is even small, Jehovah's prophecy never fails, all of them will be exposed, pure worship alone will stand the test of time...

rejosom:
#TitheAgainstPoverty TAP Challenge By Daddy Freeze

Why There Is No Room For Tithing In The New Covenant! ~FRZ

Eradicated Poverty with your tithe rather than feeding an already fat-fed GO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SpVCdtoVqU

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcmYr4LDdUH/


See Lady Who Gave One Million Naira For Daddy Freeze Tithes Challenge. https://www.nairaland.com/4229709/daddy-freeze-tithe-against-poverty

truth is bitter. Freeze don spoil market for Nigerian and indeed other African pastors. Chaiii. Never knew the bible was as easy and straightforward like this. Thank u Jesus for liberation. There shall be reduced poverty in the land and people will love and return back to God. If u guys don't know, many poor people do not believe there is God, they say if there is a God then why does a few get so much wealth and the majority languish in penury, hunger and deprivation. God bless freeze

ifenes:
A God of vanity asks for tithes, a true God is immaterial. The god of Oyedepo, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Ashimolowo, Oyakilome, Suleiman, Joshua, etc., is obviously a material and money loving god.

Fixed!!!

I've read alot of things here, and it seems we all don't understand the Genesis of tithe.. Even d so called Christians

Abraham was d first person to tithe - Genesis 14 vs 20

Jacob paid tithe too - Genesis 28 Vs 22

Now unto Jacob's Son's (The Israelites)
There are 12 tribes in Israel,one of them is called 'The Levites.. God told them not to work, their job is to be working in the Tabernacle.. And the remaining 11 Tribes will pay tithe to Levites .. Numbers 18

If u read Numbers 18 Vs 24.. God said it's their inheritance...So, tithe is not for d poor.. It's meant for the Levites...If u now give ur tithe to poor people, that's 'Alms giving' And not tithe ..You only give to the poor and God will reward you - Proverbs 19 Vs 17

This tithe, The Israelites paid it every 3 years - Deuteronomy 14 Vs 28...
Why did they pay every 3 years?.. When d remaining 11 Tribes pay tithe,it will sustain the Levites for another 3 years

There is a part in Deuteronomy 14 Vs 26 that is talking about 'Strong Drink' .. God asked you to buy it If ur soul lusted after it, but God didn't ask u to drink it.He said thou shall eat before the Lord... God knew some Levites might need it,dats y he said u should buy it

Now these are the people that are permitted to drink alcohol..Those that are sick, about to perish or die... Proverbs 31 Vs 4-7

Back to Malachi 3 Vs 9..God himself said he'll curse and not any Pastor.. But that curse, to d best of my knowledge is for 'Working class people'... Because If u're a 10yr old boy,we all know u can't afford to pay tithe, will God now Curse you?..No....If u're a working class and u just lost ur Job and u can't pay tithe, will God curse you? No...If u're a 99 yrs old Granny,u can't work talkless of paying, will God curse u?No.. You're in d hospital,u can't pay tithe, will God Curse u?No..Will u die bcuz u didn't pay tithe?No

Now, someone should ask me this Question
Our Nigerian Pastors,are they Levites?..No,they are not Levites in Israel
Now let me also ask u this Question too
Are you also an Israelites?..No,you are not
If you say these Pastors are not qualified to collect tithe which I see as their inheritance,then you also are not qualified to receive the blessings God promised the Israelites..

You want to receive the blessings of Israelites,but u don't want to do what they did

Jesus Christ has told us about these false preachers -Matthew 24 Vs 11...And more false prophets are still coming..Infact, Jesus said they will deceive the very elect - Matthew 24 Vs 24

So, If u don't pay tithe, u're not going to die

Peace be unto you all

ifenes:
A God of vanity asks for tithes, a true God is immaterial. The god of Adeboye, Kumuyi is obviously a material and money loving god.

Bro, Judge Not...

felixomor:

Oh so which church is in need and which is not?
Please enlighten us.
Which church has finished preaching the gospel to the 7 billion people on earth?
because that is the only church that cant be in need.

Ogbeni hide your face and the fingers you're using to type here, in shame; because rejosom has practically defeated and outclassed you in this argument.

You really don't need to continue dancing naked at the market place. Just shush it!

princechurchill:
Giving God little out of the abundance u have gotten is a personal decision... Don't tell a man how to spend his fortune if u didn't contributed a dime

Good thing the Gospel in the New Testament tells us that giving to the poor is the same as giving to God. If you truly worshipped Jesus, you’d know this.

Don’t take offense when people tell you to stop worshipping false gods and focus on Christianity instead of pastor-deities.

Achorise:
Guy make una leave Church people alone and their God, God send una, if you no dey go church like us leave them and their tithe, abi na gun them use collect the tithe from una hand?
Make nairaland careful ooo, you guys maybe fighting God thinking you are doing him good, God maybe keeping quite when he will act, no fight for God, God is too big to fight for himself,.
When God Called the pastors me and you no dey there.
One pastor for my area, has never had normal youthful pleasure every other guy enjoys, from that time till now, dey suffer since dey fast and pray, do evangelissm ,if person come manage bless that man with range and better house, you go come open mouth curse the guy?
God go come after you. After Una daddy freezer done enjoy the world finish, na pastors him want blow abi?

Una dey fight for the poor , God send you,? person wey done misuse him opportunity for life come become poor, dey find people tithe to chop.
some boys in my area dey do wetin them dey call yahoo, d carry girls, buy better clothes, everyone dey support them, when curse go come for the next generation in the form of poverty, you will come and blame pastors and have pity on someone under God's judgment.
Guy, some of thses churches are trying in teaching bible morals, how many morals we don obey?
How many christian morals pastor Daddy Freeze dey obey? him no dey carry babes?
I go give the poor , I go still support God work.
Next Sunday I go still give my wife tithe pay for her church.
Our governments don spoil the country, we want blame pastors.

took so much time to type trash mate....

sisimmi:
What I learn from this thread:
1. Religion has become a highly polarizing force especially in sub-Saharan Africa.

2. Self-acclaimed pastors and "men of god" are extremely powerful in Africa and have taken over the minds of many.
3. They have successfully 'interpreted' the good Book and indeed, reduced God to a transactional commodity exchange where you can pay for blessings depending on how much you are willing to part with using all sorts of 'principles' that are alien and indeed heretical. Doing good and living the life of righteousness in preparation for life-everlasting for which our Lord came and died has been buried in the heap of the materialistic new world.

It is depressing reading through this thread and all the name-calling. More so, when people would go to all lengths to defend something as clearly unchristian as the concept of "tithe". If we are truly "followers" of Jesus Christ, then we should be more concerned with "being our brothers' keepers" and less with keeping the laws of Moses, which itself was the reason Christ came and shed his precious blood.

My take: If we sincerely believe that we should get back to the pre-Jesus "principles" that worked in the Biblical times, then we should not be selective. We should apply them all to our lives. Examples abound in the Good Book:
There was the ritual of Passover where all male children were to offer blood sacrifices on the 10th day of the Passover month for God for salvation from sin and deliverance from bondage, there was the ritual of the feast of unleavened bread, feast of the first fruit, feast of atonement, feast of the tabernacles, etc. Jepthah had to kill his own daughter (a human being like all of us) as sacrifice to God for helping him win a war. Josiah executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. In Deuteronomy 13:13-19 the good book records the following commandment against unbelievers:

“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.”

It is either we accept the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus that was shed on the cross to set us free and try to be like him in our deeds (and he never paid or collected any tithe but he admonished us to love our neighbors as we love ourselves) or go back to the "principles" of old and relish in their sacrificial disposition to life, tithing being just one of the many for our blessings to come. It is sneaky to select tithing alone. We should start sacrificing our children on the alter too. It used to work. It still works.

It is heartbreaking, I don't even know what to think. No wonder Nigeria is where it is today.

Why are you guy only talking about tithes?.. is it the only means churches used in extorting money for the poor?... There are other means and all this money are used for what? Build private universities, that normal member of the church since inception can not afford and nobody 5alking about it? Or are you telling me "My Almighty Father" has turn to the likes of gods of Egypt, where you have to pay something meaningful to enter eternity? That guy @flexomor should just shut up and say the truth, some pastor are not called 80% were not even called. The challenges don't stop you from paying and cannot, the last time I checked I stop paying my tithe, was when a Pastor a CE Ikoyi where I worship before prays for the Abundance of Heaven only to the people paying tithe and end the prayer with them only, my point is, He could have even bless those that don't have tithe to pay, so they can have and only pray for the tithers only... Where is the moral in there?.. God needs nothing from us than what is stated in the 10 Commandment.

Thank you

Tithe Palava.... Give the needy and not the Private Jet Preachers