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raumdeuter:
Kompany has been useless for very long, for the past 4 seasons he has been injured and as useless as just any sick note
Sterling came of age because of Guardiola, If Mourinho had done the work Pep did on Sterling, Rashford probably will even be better
Mata was PFA team member in 13 and EPL top assister, Silva was PFA team of 12 and top assister. If Mata was used right he can do almost as much as Silva, remember Mata in Chelsea how creative he was

Rojo was a world cup finalist and quite good, At that time he could be compared to how Otamendi was.

raumdeuter:
Yes he was a world cup finalist and a good defender. Injury has been the only thing bedeviling his career

codedguy1:
Fellaini would have scored 10 goals in the last 10 mins if he were fit to play.

codedguy1:
This season has not ended. it is rather clumsy comparing a full season with one that has not finished with their present positions on the log.

raumdeuter:
City is missing Jones, they are missing Mendy they are playing Delph who most people had forgotten was a footballer in LB, They even played Mangala in defence

What is Fellainis importance, you seem to be over playing his importance, I could remember some fans here ecstatic that he was going to be sent to Turkey

CapitalCee:
The reason he played left back in Argentina and otamendi centre back, Otamendi was rated one of the best defenders in Europe before he entered city and was bought for 35million a record for a defender into EPL. Rojo was a left back who is not that popular, he was known do to his NT invovement, he only made the Argentine team because Argentina did not have good defenders, Like Demichelis, Garay and Fernandez of Swansea, only otamendi was their key defender.

Sterling already led Liverpool's title charge with Suarez at Liverpool, Appeared in the World cup as a starter and have played champions league for 2 years before pep came, this is his 4th champions league season. Rashford only graduated from the under 18, 6 months before mourinho arrived.
Do you really want to argue that Mata is at the same grade with Silva? Hmmn dayo nawao

You compared Kompany with Carrick who are 31 and 36 respectively.

eph12:
So what do we expect next season? Will City be adjudged to be too big for the league while United can finally move to the first position?

raumdeuter:
Madrid with Mourinho was always timid and bullied by Dortmund Bayern in the CL, After Mourinho, Madrid destroyed both Bayern and Dortmund. Handed Bayern thir worst defeat in Europe. won last year, won this year. That was the same Madrid Mourinho will have us believe can only play defensive

Almost 80% of Madrid fans are glad Mourinho left and wont even have him back, Almost 80% of Barca fans will take Pep back if he becomes available today

CapitalCee:
The same fans that called for DDG to be replaced by Lindegard in 2012 due to few errors(which really cost us the title), berated Pogba last season, and wished Valencia is sold and are also crucifying Lukaku now.

eph12:
So what do we expect next season? Will City be adjudged to be too big for the league while United can finally move to the first position?

CapitalCee:
You did not tackle my point, you dodged the point as usual, you pointed to what Madrid achieved after Mourinho, I told you what he improved on, but no you diverted to another issue.
How did you know that several Madrid fans want him out, did you take a census?

raumdeuter:
These are links calling Sterling a big flop https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/593151/Liverpool-Chelsea-Raheem-Sterling-Manchester-City-Shaun-Wright-Phillips
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/1363356/england-flop-sterling-steps-off-plane-after-humiliating-defeat-and-insults-fans-by-showing-off-blinging-house/

Mata in Chelsea before Mourinho was seen as equal or at worst close to Silva. It was Mourinhos aversion for plamakers that marked the end of Matas career. Give Silva to Mourinho and you will see him detailed to mark Fellaini

Rojo was named in the 2014 world cup All star team. That has to count for something

raumdeuter:
I visit several Madrid boards including managingmadrid and others and the consensus among most fans was how low Mournho took them and the type of un-Madrid-like football he brought plus the thuggery and drama

Most of them never want to see him manage Madrid again. They will rather look back to Ancelottis reign fondly and even hang on to Zidane than bring back the days of ugly football and fight

eph12:
Ibra couldn't score open net
The team don't create enough chances compared to the top teams including Southampton
He is still looking up to Fellaini when we need players with flair in the middle of the pitch.
No wonder he bought Lukaku

elampiro:
Ibrahimovic is old, and was brought to fill a gap in the transition.

If Lukaku cannot take the mantle of leading the line for the future Manchester United, let us get Aubameyang. We can still get Costa who might service us for two years.

CapitalCee:
Now you know season have not finished, but you have already delivered your judgement on the team even when the season have not finished.

codedguy1:
Guy, calm down. I did not deliver any judgement.

I am only dissatisfied with the tactics our manager is deploying and have said severally that that approach most likely will not make us win the league.

The tactic/style is even making players look like pub players because they find themselves in situations and positions that they are not exactly familiar with.

Because of this defensive approach, a player that should be in the box where he would have better chance of scoring always finds himself at the half way line and compound issues he cant hold up play - Lukaku

Attack minded players are first given defensive duties before their primary strength of play which is to attack. Rashford & martial.


The players' main objective is to not lose instead of scoring and winning.

CapitalCee:
Same with James Rodriguez, like I said Rojo was known due to his good performance in his NT.
Angelo Charisteas was in Euro 2004 team ahead of Thierry Henry, Raul, Van Nistelrooy and Zlatan. Why didn't Barca or Madrid buy him. Fabio Grosso of Italy nko, why did he not replace Evra and Ashley Cole in United and Chelsea.

The link you put there, was the fallout of their humiliating defeat against Iceland, Every player that participated in that game were termed flops, nothing to do with club form, Sterling was highlighted due to his open lack of remorse.

Yes Mata was on fire before mourinho but was ignored for Silva, Fab and Iniesta in Spain. Mata is a poor man's Silva. Are we really debating this?

CapitalCee:
There is no empirical evidence to this. And the point is that they have failed seven times to progress beyong r 16 till he came. Not as if he spend more than others.
He played ugly football but still holds the record for the highest goals scored in a season in laliga. Hmmn

elampiro:
Ibrahimovic is old, and was brought to fill a gap in the transition.

If Lukaku cannot take the mantle of leading the line for the future Manchester United, let us get Aubameyang. We can still get Costa who might service us for two years.

raumdeuter:
The empirical evidence we have is that Madrid won 3 CL after Mourinho playing better football and won none never played a single final with Mourinho

elampiro:
I have forgotten about Lukaku. But it is an act of corruption to shift his poor performance to Mourinho.

Corruption: Like when a thief is caught, then at night the thief gets substituted with another person and set free. Na Mourinho give two Assists against DeGea? Abi na Mourinho missed clear cut chance for last minute? Abi na Mourinho carry ball run pass to opponent while gifted acre of space alone? Abi na Mourinho tell am to enter ghost mode?

CapitalCee:
And that he won the league after 5 years of exile against one of the best teams in football history, broke the 7 year champions league jinx. Did not suggest anything.

raumdeuter:
James Rodriguez is a good player that was why Madrid spent huge money on him, he is still a top player in COlombia and why he is currently at Bayern a top club

Angelos Charisteas played for Werder Bremen and was part of their German double winning team of 2004

Fabio Grosso was bought by Inter Milan and later Juventus. You examples are off,

Sterling was tagged a flop and regarded as a big money . Many analyst called him a flop even without England performance. On record this is Sterlings best season in his career and we are just in December. Sterling at best was scoring 11 per season that was what Rashford scored in his only full season.

Mata was PFA team of the year just like before Mourinho, Mata was top assister of the year just like Silva

For club
2011/2012 Mata 12 goals 20 assists in all comps, Silva 8 goals 21 assists in all comps for City
2012/13 Mata 19 goals 35 assists Silva 5 goals 13 assists

That was Matas productivity before Mourinho came into his life, We can say if Mourinho had gone to coach Silva at that time, probably Silva wont be a footballer anymore

Silva is better than Mata but in an optimally attacking formation, there will be very little difference in their outputs

Leyqute:
Hr needs his confidence back. Benching him will do more harm than good. He has to redeem his image.

raumdeuter:
Madrid won the league in 07/08 and Mourinho won it in 11/12 4yrs gap

Zidane actually won after a 5yr from 11/12 to 16/17 and won 2 CL to boot

CapitalCee:
It doesn't matter the fact is that he won it after a long time against a very unimaginable team and broke the UCL jinx

CapitalCee:
James Rodriguez is a flop success stories dont go in loan, Grosso did not do anything of note in his career apart from that world cup, the season you are talking about Charisteas made just 11 app scoring 2 goals the entire season, Ailton his team mate scored 28. he left for Ajax after his Euro 2004 heroics and scored 12 league goals in 3 years, 13 in all competitions, a league Depay dominated. The examples were spot on.

Sterling was never regarded as a flop, ofcourse you will say pogba was called a flop before few unintelligent troll were quick to judge him. Sterling have played just 5 seasons in top flight. The first he took the league by storm with Suarez, the second he continued where he stoped hence the 50m outlay on him. The third he didn't perform do to a new club, and still young, this season and last season, Sterling has been top class

CapitalCee:
Then he should be sacked if the club's ideology is not in tandem with his, Nobody is hailing his tactics. The genesis of the whole point is whether the team have improved from last season or not.
He said city have improved which is evident by their position NOW. Then i pointed out that it's same for united also based on their position NOW.
Don't make it sound as if anybody is trying to chastise anyone.

eph12:
I watched the highlight and saw that Lukaku clearance was blocked by another united player. What should he have done instead?

The chance he missed was saved by the keeper. If it was De Gea that made that save you would have been hailing him instead of cussing the striker.

Ronaldo has passed over a thousand balls to the opponents. Kante even passed to ghost last weekend.

SIRcumalot:
I don't think their is any image left to redeem,We expect him to score against the "Brightons" of this league his best chance to change the narrative of how we perceive am na to score against City, he didn't. and I didn't expect him to sef,plus he needs the rest and ibra needs to be match fit.

codedguy1:
Thank you. why is no one blaming mata who also missed the rebound. he is supposed to have had a clearer picture of the situation.