Ahasco , godisgood200 , 0temSapien

I have been having some challenges with my original moniker. I have opened a new thread so as not to derail Otem's thread with our discussions.

Now please let us evaluate the authenticity of the existence of Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection in line with the revelations Otem has been receiving from Atum.

Now remember that we are trying to separate Truth from lies and or errors so as to avoid being deceived.

JESUS FAKED HIS DEATH AND FLED TO EGYPT (OR SODOM-EGYPT)?

Like I stated earlier, the easiest way to be deceived is falling for a mixture of Truths and errors (or lies).

There is a book written by Michael Baigent called The Jesus Papers.

According to Michael Baigent, he claimed to have seen a letter written by Jesus Himself that was written in Aramaic and sent to the Jewish ruling council. He also claimed that Jesus faked His death on the cross and fled to Egypt.

However, Baigent later admitted that he can't read Aramaic.








For further reading on The Jesus Papers, please find below;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Papers

Content
In The Jesus Papers, author Michael Baigent claims that after having been taken down alive from the Cross, Jesus was removed from the tomb at night by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, then smuggled away to Egypt along with his wife, Mary Magdalene. They moved to Narbonne in the south of France in AD 38, following unrest in Cairo, close to where they had settled (in or near the Temple of Onias). Other Jewish families had settled in Narbonne claiming descent from King David.

Michael Baigent claims the source of Bérenger Saunière's wealth was derived from his knowledge and discovery that this was all historically factual, after the priest had found hidden documents (also taking for granted that the source of the priest's wealth was mysterious). Baigent argues that Station XIV of the Cross in the church of Rennes-le-Château, showing a Full Moon, indicates that the Sabbath/Passover had begun, and showing Joseph of Arimathea carrying the live body of Jesus out of the tomb.

Michael Baigent claims to have seen two papyrus documents - the "Jesus papers" - written in Aramaic, discovered in the Old City of Jerusalem during the 1960s. Baigent claimed these documents dated to AD 45 and were letters to the Sanhedrin from bani meshiha ("the Messiah of the Children of Israel" ), defending himself against the allegation that he claimed to be the Son of God.

Baigent claims these two papyrus documents were authenticated by the Israeli archaeologists Yigael Yadin and Naham Avigad, which distressed Pope John XXIII. Baigent claimed the Pope asked Baigent's friend to destroy these two papyrus documents, but he refused and said he would release them after 25 years. However, the documents have not been released because of the rift this information would create between Israel and the Vatican, also creating a revivalism of Antisemitism.

Criticism
Hershel Shanks, reviewing The Jesus Papers for Biblical Archaeology Review, commented on the "foolishness of its central thesis", noting how Baigent had seen papyri written in Aramaic, a language that he did not understand, yet was able to say that what he saw dated from "about A.D. 34" - Shanks noted that archaeological finds cannot be dated so precisely, adding that the two previous famous archaeologists who had allegedly seen this papyri were now conveniently dead.[4] Kevin McClure, reviewing the book for Fortean Times commented how the author was unable to obtain photographs of the said papyri, adding that "Baigent records no further effort to investigate these supposedly amazing documents, and appears not to have approached any academic body or community for help". The Biblical historian Craig Evans has described the book as "one of the worst examples of pseudo-scholarship ever published".

There are criticisms that the release of the book was timed with the release of The Da Vinci Code film version in an attempt to cash in on the marketing hype. Baigent's response is on p. 355 of the book, where he points out that the publication schedule had been set by Harper Collins long before. Around the same time of the book's release, Baigent was also involved in a plagiarism lawsuit against author Dan Brown, which he acknowledges in the postscript. The lawsuit claims that Brown improperly used information from The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail (which Baigent co-wrote) for Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code. This too has drawn speculation that the lawsuit and trial were merely a publicity vehicle for Baigent's new book, although the £3 million costs that remain under appeal will likely negate any gain proceeds from the sale of the book. On 7 April 2006, High Court judge Peter Smith rejected the copyright infringement claim by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, and Dan Brown won the court case.

Following up on the previous post, I have the following questions to ask;

1) That Jesus faked His death and fled to Egypt (or Sodom-Egypt), was it a revelation from Atum? Or was this revelation partly taken from the
Jesus papers?

2) Under the watchful eyes of brutal Roman soldiers, has there been any historical record of anyone that has survived death by
crucifixion?

Now if I want to add some falsehood to the TRUTH, I'll just put in a little spin.

Read the bible and make reference to Revelation 11 v 8 which talks about the death of the two witnesses;

"Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified"


You would be misled to believe also, that Jesus actually died in Sodom-Egypt, whereas the Bible was making a figurative reference to the land of Sodom and Egypt...and not a literal (actual) reference.

When Lies, Errors and Falsehood attempts to attack the TRUTH, bear in mind that the Lies are never well arranged or patterned because it is trying to attack the TRUTH from different angles;

DID JESUS EVER EXIST? OR WAS HE A MYTHICAL FIGURE DREAMED UP BY EUBIUS?

I'll continue from here later today. Cheers.

OkCornel:
Ahasco , godisgood200 , 0temSapien

I have been having some challenges with my original moniker. I have opened a new thread so as not to derail Otem's thread with our discussions.

Now please let us evaluate the authenticity of the existence of Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection in line with the revelations Otem has been receiving from Atum.


Now remember that we are trying to separate Truth from lies and or errors so as to avoid being deceived.

I will just observe from the aidelines. Carry on.

godisgood200:

I will just observe from the aidelines. Carry on.

No wahala.

Further updates go enter later today.

Cheers

@ the Op, first of all you have to know that the Doctufos of truth isn't here to argue for or against a particular fictitious hero named Jesus, but to make the histories of the world known as much as possible.
In no passage of the Doctufos so far will you see the name Jesus because Jesus never existed in the neanderthal periods as well as the homo Erectus period. As a matter of fact, the fictitious version of Faulkin/ Zeusus began to exist just about 2000 years ago, which you people call Jesus Christ.

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JESUS FAKED HIS DEATH AND FLED TO EGYPT (OR SODOM-EGYPT)?

Like I stated earlier, the easiest way to be deceived is falling for a mixture of Truths and errors (or lies).

There was nowhere in the Doctufos where it was recorded that Jesus faked his death. The person whose death was faked before eventually dying in Sodom-Egypt was Faulkin(aka Zeusus Krista) who died millions of years ago and not Jesus, the fictitious character who was made into flesh by the power of storytelling. So the Doctufos never recorded that Jesus Christ of 2000years ago as written in the fictitious storybooks of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John faked his death, rather, it was Faulkin aka Zeusus Krista of the Neanderthal period that his death was faked before he eventually died in Sodom-Egypt.

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Now if I want to add some falsehood to the TRUTH, I'll just put in a little spin.
Read the bible and make reference to Revelation 11 v 8 which talks about the death of the two witnesses;
"Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified"
You would be misled to believe also, that Jesus actually died in Sodom-Egypt, whereas the Bible was making a figurative reference to the land of Sodom and Egypt...and not a literal (actual) reference.

Many things we think as being figurative today were actually the things which had happened in the past and if care is not taken, will happen in the future. How brains access hidden information every time when we sleep, but we often wake up not remembering them. Sodom-Egypt actually existed in the Neanderthal periods. Read the Doctufos, you will see the civilization of even that place from time to time. That someone who saw into the past, wrote fictitious stories to favour himself and his group of souls and used a particular actual location in the past in his fiction to make it appear more mysterious does not mean that when the actual histories of the past are being revealed, his so-called figurative reference would still be treated figuratively. I have been to Sodom-Egypt through meditation and I have seen for myself happenings, real homos, destructions, etc. So if the writer of the book of revelation decides to treat it as a figurative place, it doesn't mean I should see it so.
Moreso, he didn't say that it is figurative, where did you get this assertion from? Or can we equate spirituality to figurativeness, because what I saw in that passage was that he said that it was spiritually called 'Sodom and Egypt' which is actually right, because what should we call the people and the lands of the dead if not 'ghosts' 'spirits' etc? Is it not the dead people that we call 'spirits' and 'ghosts?' So I don't see any problem in calling the land of the dead people a land of the spirits.

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There is a book written by Michael Baigent called The Jesus Papers.

According to Michael Baigent, he claimed to have seen a letter written by Jesus Himself that was written in Aramaic and sent to the Jewish ruling council. He also claimed that Jesus faked His death on the cross and fled to Egypt.

However, Baigent later admitted that he can't read Aramaic.

For further reading on The Jesus Papers, please find below;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Papers

Content
In The Jesus Papers, author Michael Baigent claims that after having been taken down alive from the Cross, Jesus was removed from the tomb at night by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, then smuggled away to Egypt along with his wife, Mary Magdalene. They moved to Narbonne in the south of France in AD 38, following unrest in Cairo, close to where they had settled (in or near the Temple of Onias). Other Jewish families had settled in Narbonne claiming descent from King David.

Michael Baigent claims the source of Bérenger Saunière's wealth was derived from his knowledge and discovery that this was all historically factual, after the priest had found hidden documents (also taking for granted that the source of the priest's wealth was mysterious). Baigent argues that Station XIV of the Cross in the church of Rennes-le-Château, showing a Full Moon, indicates that the Sabbath/Passover had begun, and showing Joseph of Arimathea carrying the live body of Jesus out of the tomb.

Michael Baigent claims to have seen two papyrus documents - the "Jesus papers" - written in Aramaic, discovered in the Old City of Jerusalem during the 1960s. Baigent claimed these documents dated to AD 45 and were letters to the Sanhedrin from bani meshiha ("the Messiah of the Children of Israel" ), defending himself against the allegation that he claimed to be the Son of God.

Baigent claims these two papyrus documents were authenticated by the Israeli archaeologists Yigael Yadin and Naham Avigad, which distressed Pope John XXIII. Baigent claimed the Pope asked Baigent's friend to destroy these two papyrus documents, but he refused and said he would release them after 25 years. However, the documents have not been released because of the rift this information would create between Israel and the Vatican, also creating a revivalism of Antisemitism.

Wow!!! I just went through the Jesus Paper review and all I see is awesomeness. This really supports the discourse between Anoni and Otem Erectus in the homo Erectus era millions of years ago. They spoke of people in the future mixing fictions with reality and doing all such stuffs just to get money, fame and recognition.

Doctufos:
Doctufos: Anoni 2: 17-22

17. And all the things of the past world remain intact in my brain. And with this shall I beat Sakspar of Anghloz to the art of story telling. And Nansi of Gana shall I beat to it also. For I have in me the happenings of more than seven hundred thousand years. And if I make them to fictions and sell them, I shall be the richest in the world.
18. But all these things do not interest me.
19. And Otem said, as for me, I see within my own brain the happenings of billions of years. From the time of the first great bang to the time of this present world. But I shall not make fictions of them, saying, mixing realities of the past up with exaggerations to make a fantastic fiction is not my desire.
20. For such shall fetch only earthly riches and gains.
21. And mixing up realities of the past with exaggerations and calling them the exact realities of the present world is not my desire. For so shall Eusebius of the homo sapiens life do. And his made-up stories shall look real for two thousand years. But when Otem Sapien shall come, he shall cast shadow of it.
22. But I Otem Erectus have come to write the history of the world exactly as it is from the first great bang till the present time. And I shall write also of the future time.

This so-called Michael falls into the category of such people. You see revelations while asleep, you didn't even ask for the source of the revelation before declaring it to the world. Then when criticisms are coming from right and left, you give up because you didn't know who actually gave you the revelatiom because you didn't bother to do more meditations to see and question the person. All you were after was fame and money.
First of all, you have to know that there are many gods in the universe who are after how to connect their minds with ours and speak to us, but very few of us really got into the realms where we could meet. That Michael might have received his revelations from one of these gods but did not bother to check and ask questions before saying it to the whole world. Such mistakes are the things I have been avoiding in my own case.

First, I don't think about money or popularity, so why should I hurry to publish the things I see? Michael's mistake was that he was not attentive enough to know if the person his revelation was talking about was actually the Jesus of the storybook or someone far millions of years before. When criticisms began to hit him front and back, he succumbed to pressure and declared otherwise.

Do you know that I have almost declared otherwise too when I stopped meditating and lost connections with Atum. It happened that after this revelation began, I stopped meditating and I stopped seeing revelations or Atum himself. Then Eusebius, the ultimate compiler of the christian literatures appeared to me and threatened me with death and deceived me. He told me that I should bring back his own confession which is Christianity or else I would die. My inexperienced self was scared such that I came here online to declare that God appeared to me and told me to bring back his confession or die within few weeks.
After doing that, I accidentally meditated again and began to see Atum again. That was when 90% of what are in the Doctufos as of now became revealed to me.

If such Michael is dead by now, he would have been regretting in his afterlife that he didn't do proper checks and make sure he knows the name of the god speaking to him before publishing half-baked truth and forgetting to meditate to get the whole truth. I pity for him though. I will never make such mistakes because I ask Atum many questions before posting any part of the Doctufos so that I won't be stuck when I'm being faced with criticism here and there.

Also, when people come to recant their beliefs or the things they actually knew, it is not all the time because they were telling lies earlier, but because of so much pressure within and without. Family members, friends, colleagues will call you a devil and hate you. At any point in time, they are ready to betray you or even kill you. Your girlfriend or wife runs away from you as soon as she hears your convictions. You become almost lonely in the whole wide world. Then it becomes worst if you lose connection with that god who is the source of your information or inspiration. You just want to commit suicide, lol

What I'm going to do is to tell Atum to point me to the exact history of this Michael in the memory of histories stored in my brain. Then the actual things which happened about him would be known.

Lastly, could you believe that in my semi-sleep today, my brain was giving answers to your questions when I have not even woken up to see that you have opened this thread. I woke up to this thread and I was amazed. When I wanted to reply you, my battery went flat I had to go and recharge it.

I like people who do research like you. Cheers.
However, can you kindly change to topic to AN EVALUATION OF ATUM'S REVELATION ABOUT ZEUSUS KRISTA? BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ZEUSUS KRISTA aka Faulkin, that was the one who had actually existed from almost the beginning of the earth about 3 billion years ago and not Jesus Christ of the storybooks who popped out from the 'words' of some books just around 2000 years ago and became 'flesh' to us in our imagination.

0temSapien:


Wow!!! I just went through the Jesus Paper review and all I see is awesomeness. This really supports the discourse between Anoni and Otem Erectus in the homo Erectus era millions of years ago. They spoke of people in the future mixing fictions with reality and doing all such stuffs just to get money, fame and recognition.


This so-called Michael falls into the category of such people. You see revelations while asleep, you didn't even ask for the source of the revelation before declaring it to the world. Then when criticisms are coming from right and left, you give up because you didn't know who actually gave you the revelatiom because you didn't bother to do more meditations to see and question the person. All you were after was fame and money.
First of all, you have to know that there are many gods in the universe who are after how to connect their minds with ours and speak to us, but very few of us really got into the realms where we could meet. That Michael might have received his revelations from one of these gods but did not bother to check and ask questions before saying it to the whole world. Such mistakes are the things I have been avoiding in my own case.

First, I don't think about money or popularity, so why should I hurry to publish the things I see? Michael's mistake was that he was not attentive enough to know if the person his revelation was talking about was actually the Jesus of the storybook or someone far millions of years before. When criticisms began to hit him front and back, he succumbed to pressure and declared otherwise.

Do you know that I have almost declared otherwise too when I stopped meditating and lost connections with Atum. It happened that after this revelation began, I stopped meditating and I stopped seeing revelations or Atum himself. Then Eusebius, the ultimate compiler of the christian literatures appeared to me and threatened me with death and deceived me. He told me that I should bring back his own confession which is Christianity or else I would die. My inexperienced self was scared such that I came here online to declare that God appeared to me and told me to bring back his confession or die within few weeks.
After doing that, I accidentally meditated again and began to see Atum again. That was when 90% of what are in the Doctufos as of now became revealed to me.

If such Michael is dead by now, he would have been regretting in his afterlife that he didn't do proper checks and make sure he knows the name of the god speaking to him before publishing half-baked truth and forgetting to meditate to get the whole truth. I pity for him though. I will never make such mistakes because I ask Atum many questions before posting any part of the Doctufos so that I won't be stuck when I'm being faced with criticism here and there.

Also, when people come to recant their beliefs or the things they actually knew, it is not all the time because they were telling lies earlier, but because of so much pressure within and without. Family members, friends, colleagues will call you a devil and hate you. At any point in time, they are ready to betray you or even kill you. Your girlfriend or wife runs away from you as soon as she hears your convictions. You become almost lonely in the whole wide world. Then it becomes worst if you lose connection with that god who is the source of your information or inspiration. You just want to commit suicide, lol

What I'm going to do is to tell Atum to point me to the exact history of this Michael in the memory of histories stored in my brain. Then the actual things which happened about him would be known.

Lastly, could you believe that in my semi-sleep today, my brain was giving answers to your questions when I have not even woken up to see that you have opened this thread. I woke up to this thread and I was amazed. When I wanted to reply you, my battery went flat I had to go and recharge it.

I like people who do research like you. Cheers.

Thanks for the complement bro. A genuine truthseeker has to be research minded...and also be grounded in the art of meditation and observation.

But as an advice...you have to corroborate Atum's revelations to what Domino Reverad knows.

Just to be sure you are not a pawn in the chess game of Atum.
Atum would definitely reveal the truth to you, but be alert to pick out little falsehoods so you are not deceived.

I know Atum and Ra were the brains behind the development of Egypt. For example, the alignment of the Great Pyramid of Khufu and the other Pyramids in line with the stars of heaven is so accurate that no technology today can replicate the same degree of accuracy.

By the way...The foundation of the Jesus Papers is faulty as the author has zero knowledge on interpretation of Aramaic.

0temSapien:


Wow!!! I just went through the Jesus Paper review and all I see is awesomeness. This really supports the discourse between Anoni and Otem Erectus in the homo Erectus era millions of years ago. They spoke of people in the future mixing fictions with reality and doing all such stuffs just to get money, fame and recognition.


This so-called Michael falls into the category of such people. You see revelations while asleep, you didn't even ask for the source of the revelation before declaring it to the world. Then when criticisms are coming from right and left, you give up because you didn't know who actually gave you the revelatiom because you didn't bother to do more meditations to see and question the person. All you were after was fame and money.
First of all, you have to know that there are many gods in the universe who are after how to connect their minds with ours and speak to us, but very few of us really got into the realms where we could meet. That Michael might have received his revelations from one of these gods but did not bother to check and ask questions before saying it to the whole world. Such mistakes are the things I have been avoiding in my own case.

First, I don't think about money or popularity, so why should I hurry to publish the things I see? Michael's mistake was that he was not attentive enough to know if the person his revelation was talking about was actually the Jesus of the storybook or someone far millions of years before. When criticisms began to hit him front and back, he succumbed to pressure and declared otherwise.

Do you know that I have almost declared otherwise too when I stopped meditating and lost connections with Atum. It happened that after this revelation began, I stopped meditating and I stopped seeing revelations or Atum himself. Then Eusebius, the ultimate compiler of the christian literatures appeared to me and threatened me with death and deceived me. He told me that I should bring back his own confession which is Christianity or else I would die. My inexperienced self was scared such that I came here online to declare that God appeared to me and told me to bring back his confession or die within few weeks.
After doing that, I accidentally meditated again and began to see Atum again. That was when 90% of what are in the Doctufos as of now became revealed to me.

If such Michael is dead by now, he would have been regretting in his afterlife that he didn't do proper checks and make sure he knows the name of the god speaking to him before publishing half-baked truth and forgetting to meditate to get the whole truth. I pity for him though. I will never make such mistakes because I ask Atum many questions before posting any part of the Doctufos so that I won't be stuck when I'm being faced with criticism here and there.

Also, when people come to recant their beliefs or the things they actually knew, it is not all the time because they were telling lies earlier, but because of so much pressure within and without. Family members, friends, colleagues will call you a devil and hate you. At any point in time, they are ready to betray you or even kill you. Your girlfriend or wife runs away from you as soon as she hears your convictions. You become almost lonely in the whole wide world. Then it becomes worst if you lose connection with that god who is the source of your information or inspiration. You just want to commit suicide, lol

What I'm going to do is to tell Atum to point me to the exact history of this Michael in the memory of histories stored in my brain. Then the actual things which happened about him would be known.

Lastly, could you believe that in my semi-sleep today, my brain was giving answers to your questions when I have not even woken up to see that you have opened this thread. I woke up to this thread and I was amazed. When I wanted to reply you, my battery went flat I had to go and recharge it.

I like people who do research like you. Cheers.
However, can you kindly change to topic to AN EVALUATION OF ATUM'S REVELATION ABOUT ZEUSUS KRISTA? BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ZEUSUS KRISTA aka Faulkin, that was the one who had actually existed from almost the beginning of the earth about 3 billion years ago and not Jesus Christ of the storybooks who popped out from the 'words' of some books just around 2000 years ago and became 'flesh' to us in our imagination.

The part of your quote I bolded is the major reason I opened this thread. We have to thoroughly scrutinize any revelation or conspiracy theory that challenges the existence of Jesus by using good and sufficient evidence.

I'm not relying on the Bible per se... we'll make reference to current findings and historical/archaeological evidences.

0temSapien:


Wow!!! I just went through the Jesus Paper review and all I see is awesomeness. This really supports the discourse between Anoni and Otem Erectus in the homo Erectus era millions of years ago. They spoke of people in the future mixing fictions with reality and doing all such stuffs just to get money, fame and recognition.


This so-called Michael falls into the category of such people. You see revelations while asleep, you didn't even ask for the source of the revelation before declaring it to the world. Then when criticisms are coming from right and left, you give up because you didn't know who actually gave you the revelatiom because you didn't bother to do more meditations to see and question the person. All you were after was fame and money.
First of all, you have to know that there are many gods in the universe who are after how to connect their minds with ours and speak to us, but very few of us really got into the realms where we could meet. That Michael might have received his revelations from one of these gods but did not bother to check and ask questions before saying it to the whole world. Such mistakes are the things I have been avoiding in my own case.

First, I don't think about money or popularity, so why should I hurry to publish the things I see? Michael's mistake was that he was not attentive enough to know if the person his revelation was talking about was actually the Jesus of the storybook or someone far millions of years before. When criticisms began to hit him front and back, he succumbed to pressure and declared otherwise.

Do you know that I have almost declared otherwise too when I stopped meditating and lost connections with Atum. It happened that after this revelation began, I stopped meditating and I stopped seeing revelations or Atum himself. Then Eusebius, the ultimate compiler of the christian literatures appeared to me and threatened me with death and deceived me. He told me that I should bring back his own confession which is Christianity or else I would die. My inexperienced self was scared such that I came here online to declare that God appeared to me and told me to bring back his confession or die within few weeks.
After doing that, I accidentally meditated again and began to see Atum again. That was when 90% of what are in the Doctufos as of now became revealed to me.

If such Michael is dead by now, he would have been regretting in his afterlife that he didn't do proper checks and make sure he knows the name of the god speaking to him before publishing half-baked truth and forgetting to meditate to get the whole truth. I pity for him though. I will never make such mistakes because I ask Atum many questions before posting any part of the Doctufos so that I won't be stuck when I'm being faced with criticism here and there.

Also, when people come to recant their beliefs or the things they actually knew, it is not all the time because they were telling lies earlier, but because of so much pressure within and without. Family members, friends, colleagues will call you a devil and hate you. At any point in time, they are ready to betray you or even kill you. Your girlfriend or wife runs away from you as soon as she hears your convictions. You become almost lonely in the whole wide world. Then it becomes worst if you lose connection with that god who is the source of your information or inspiration. You just want to commit suicide, lol

What I'm going to do is to tell Atum to point me to the exact history of this Michael in the memory of histories stored in my brain. Then the actual things which happened about him would be known.

Lastly, could you believe that in my semi-sleep today, my brain was giving answers to your questions when I have not even woken up to see that you have opened this thread. I woke up to this thread and I was amazed. When I wanted to reply you, my battery went flat I had to go and recharge it.

I like people who do research like you. Cheers.
However, can you kindly change to topic to AN EVALUATION OF ATUM'S REVELATION ABOUT ZEUSUS KRISTA? BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ZEUSUS KRISTA aka Faulkin, that was the one who had actually existed from almost the beginning of the earth about 3 billion years ago and not Jesus Christ of the storybooks who popped out from the 'words' of some books just around 2000 years ago and became 'flesh' to us in our imagination.

By the way...if you are genuinely having these visions and revelations, you remind me of Edgar Cayce - The sleeping Nostradamus.

Also take out time to research on the Akashic records. There's a strong possibility that the recorded TRUTH of Knoliud or Domino Reverad is there...


That notwithstanding... my philosophy is very simple, and in one word...it's called TRUTH.

1) TRUTH never contradicts itself, rather it complements itself and updates itself to become useful with the changes of time.
2) TRUTH always vindicates itself. No matter how long deception takes hold...TRUTH would surely overpower it.


Cheers

OkCornel:


The part of your quote I bolded is the major reason I opened this thread. We have to thoroughly scrutinize any revelation or conspiracy theory that challenges the existence of Jesus by using good and sufficient evidence.

I'm not relying on the Bible per se... we'll make reference to current findings and historical/archaeological evidences.

Okay, but the problems with so-called archeological evidences and historical evidences is biasness and lies as well. You can hardly trust any source these days. Did you hear about some so-called Russian archeologists who were digging deep into the earth and soon began to hear loud noises of people weeping and screaming from the pit of hell? The news went round the world and converted millions of people to christianity worldwide, but eventually, the so-called archeologists didn't exist, only the rumour-monger who sent the news to the radio existed alongside thousands of websites who carried the news claiming that it was an archeological finding. Till today, 95% of the Christians still believe that this propaganda was a true archeological findings and they are still up on many websites till today. There was also the case of A BOY WHO SAW HEAVEN. His storybook about seeing heaven, hell, Jesus etc made cool cash of millions of dollars by the publisher of the book, but the boy eventually came out after growing from a boy to an adult to say that the story was concocted with the aid of his parents and that he didn't see heaven or hell when he had accident and fainted. He was only unconscious and never even died in the first place. Eventually, till today, only 5% of those who heard the initial news have heard the eventual retirement of it by the same boy.

Lastly, how do we know that most of all these so-called archeological research websites about Jesus are actually not belonging christian apologetics here an there? Well, I have been informed earlier that almost every famous pastor in the world sponsor at least twenty websites masquerading as research websites. Some numbers of so-called archeological and historical websites sponsored by some Nigerian pastors were given to me by Atum some months back, only God knows how many more such websites have been opened by these men at the moment. Then a sincere seeker will stumble upon any of such websites and mistake them for genuine historical and archeological websites. Hmm.
Below is the screenshot of some of the list of numbers of so-called archeological/historical evidences of Jesus existence as sponsored by pastors in Nigeria and beyond.

0temSapien:


Okay, but the problems with so-called archeological evidences and historical evidences is biasness and lies as well. You can hardly trust any source these days. Did you hear about some so-called Russian archeologists who were digging deep into the earth and soon began to hear loud noises of people weeping and screaming from the pit of hell? The news went round the world and converted millions of people to christianity worldwide, but eventually, the so-called archeologists didn't exist, only the rumour-monger who sent the news to the radio existed alongside thousands of websites who carried the news claiming that it was an archeological finding. Till today, 95% of the Christians still believe that this propaganda was a true archeological findings and they are still up on many websites till today. There was also the case of A BOY WHO SAW HEAVEN. His storybook about seeing heaven, hell, Jesus etc made cool cash of millions of dollars by the publisher of the book, but the boy eventually came out after growing from a boy to an adult to say that the story was concocted with the aid of his parents and that he didn't see heaven or hell when he had accident and fainted. He was only unconscious and never even died in the first place. Eventually, till today, only 5% of those who heard the initial news have heard the eventual retirement of it by the same boy.

Lastly, how do we know that most of all these so-called archeological research websites about Jesus are actually not belonging christian apologetics here an there? Well, I have been informed earlier that almost every famous pastor in the world sponsor at least twenty websites masquerading as research websites. Some numbers of so-called archeological and historical websites sponsored by some Nigerian pastors were given to me by Atum some months back, only God knows how many more such websites have been opened by these men at the moment. Then a sincere seeker will stumble upon any of such websites and mistake them for genuine historical and archeological websites. Hmm.

Don't worry. That's why I said good and sufficient evidence.

Anyone... including you can have revelation from any source. For example, Mohammed supposedly had an encounter with Angel Gabriel in a cave, and that was how Islam started.

Only God knows if he truly had that encounter. Only God knows if you are also having an encounter with Atum.

Truth must be corroborated as visions alone are not sufficient.

Cheers

OkCornel:
Following up on the previous post, I have the following questions to ask;

1) That Jesus faked His death and fled to Egypt (or Sodom-Egypt), was it a revelation from Atum? Or was this revelation partly taken from the
Jesus papers?

2) Under the watchful eyes of brutal Roman soldiers, has there been any historical record of anyone that has survived death by
crucifixion?

Now if I want to add some falsehood to the TRUTH, I'll just put in a little spin.

Read the bible and make reference to Revelation 11 v 8 which talks about the death of the two witnesses;



"Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified"


You would be misled to believe also, that Jesus actually died in Sodom-Egypt, whereas the Bible was making a figurative reference to the land of Sodom and Egypt...and not a literal (actual) reference.

my brother, i thought you said you where not into religion, why quote from the book of revelation in the bible?
Now listen knowledge is stored up in the brain all you need to do is speak the word of what you want and a connection of what you want will come to you through another who has it. if anyone uses the bible as a reference that person will be more confused than the writer of it. Ever since i went through deep thinking trying to analyse the truth and coincidentally came across otem's revelation i felt this peace of mind and happiness knowing that i have been fully satisfied with the truth i have always wanted to know. And since then i have been more filled than ever because the whole truth about religion has been exposed and their lies are like filthy rubbish.

As for the issue of where jesus went to and the mother or those who made up thier revelation, i can only say they where trying very hard to get the truth as well as myself, but the difference with theirs is that then, the revelation hadn't come out fully compared to otem's true revelation which reveals all deep secret.

So brother i'm not here to argue or mince word with you whether otem's revelation is true or not but to set it straight that liberation has come to the continent of the black race and that it has just begun by the time he is through the real awakening will start. though it has already started but once its complete a full force will engulf our continent and all forms of religion will be scattered everywhere, and they will be in shame; all the wicked gods who have chosen to enslave the minds of the homos. I think i will stop here for. one thing about me is that i'm not really a talkative, so i think this will end hear thanks for the time.

Ahasco:


my brother, i thought you said you where not into religion, why quote from the book of revelation in the bible?
Now listen knowledge is stored up in the brain all you need to do is speak the word of what you want and a connection of what you want will come to you through another who has it. if anyone uses the bible as a reference that person will be more confused than the writer of it. Ever since i went through deep thinking trying to analyse the truth and coincidentally came across otem's revelation i felt this peace of mind and happiness knowing that i have been fully satisfied with the truth i have always wanted to know. And since then i have been more filled than ever because the whole truth about religion has been exposed and their lies are like filthy rubbish.

As for the issue of where jesus went to and the mother or those who made up thier revelation, i can only say they where trying very hard to get the truth as well as myself, but the difference with theirs is that then, the revelation hadn't come out fully compared to otem's true revelation which reveals all deep secret.

So brother i'm not here to argue or mince word with you whether otem's revelation is true or not but to set it straight that liberation has come to the continent of the black race and that it has just begun by the time he is through the real awakening will start. though it has already started but once its complete a full force will engulf our continent and all forms of religion will be scattered everywhere, and they will be in shame; all the wicked gods who have chosen to enslave the minds of the homos. I think i will stop here for. one thing about me is that i'm not really a talkative, so i think this will end hear thanks for the time.

Do you want to attack me or do you want to learn?

Religion is a tool of deceit because it is a mixture of TRUTH with lies and errors. I am only making references to proven TRUTHs in the Bible.

Hope you understand now. One more thing, I do not believe everything written in the Holy Books, especially if I cannot corroborate them with sufficient evidence.

It would be foolish to conclude that the entirety of the Bible or Religion is lies..thereby throwing away the baby with the bathing water.

Separate lies and errors from the TRUTH using intuition and hard core evidence.

AND OF COURSE I AGREE WITH YOU...LIBERATION HAS COME! ENLIGHTENMENT HAS COME TO REPLACE RELIGION

I will later explain my mental and spiritual re-birth on my thread titled "A Gospel of TRUTH, UNITY and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE"

Cheers

DEAR THREAD FOLLOWERS, I WOULD UPDATE THE FRONT PAGE POSTS WITH THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE I INTEND TO PASS ACROSS.

CHEERS

godisgood200:

I will just observe from the aidelines. Carry on.

i think i will be like you too. lol

OkCornel:


Do you want to attack me or do you want to learn?

Religion is a tool of deceit because it is a mixture of TRUTH with lies and errors. I am only making references to proven TRUTHs in the Bible.

Hope you understand now. One more thing, I do not believe everything written in the Holy Books, especially if I cannot corroborate them with sufficient evidence.

It would be foolish to conclude that the entirety of the Bible or Religion is lies..thereby throwing away the baby with the bathing water.

Separate lies and errors from the TRUTH using intuition and hard core evidence.

AND OF COURSE I AGREE WITH YOU...LIBERATION HAS COME! ENLIGHTENMENT HAS COME TO REPLACE RELIGION

I will later explain my mental and spiritual re-birth on my thread titled "A Gospel of TRUTH, UNITY and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE"

Cheers

Nope i'm not here to attck you cos you are my brother and i don't fight wars.
Ah! does that mean i'm a fool?
Any truth in the bible is a deceptive one and also a confused one, so be careful what you read.
thanks

Ahasco:


Nope i'm not here to attck you cos you are my brother and i don't fight wars.
Ah! does that mean i'm a fool?
Any truth in the bible is a deceptive one and also a confused one, so be careful what you read.
thanks

Really? Does the book of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes look confused to you?

Come off it bro, don't throw away the baby with the bathing water. That's my advice for you.

Chill till you hear of my re-birth process in the other thread I spoke of.

Cheers

OkCornel:


Really? Does the book of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes look confused to you?

Come off it bro, don't throw away the baby with the bathing water. That's my advice for you.

Chill till you hear of my re-birth process in the other thread I spoke of.

Cheers

those are mere wise saying. I don't need their wise sayings to get what i want or live a good life, everything i need to know is right in my head. FYI those chapters you talked about when looked closely you find it to be a burden or bondage on the homos

Ahasco:


those are mere wise saying. I don't need their wise sayings to get what i want or live a good life, everything i need to know is right in my head. FYI those chapters you talked about when looked closely you find it to be a burden or bondage on the homos

Are those wise sayings TRUTH or lies? Every written TRUTH was once unwritten.

It's the perception of the homos that makes those books a burden and bondage on them.

To make matters even worse...the so called men of God abi gods of men are not helping matters by preaching falsehoods and lies to enrich their greedy and selfish interests.

Like this tithing nonsense that is going on. It's well bro


THE TIME FOR ENLIGHTENMENT HAS COME!

In the last days of evil and wickedness...the Spirit of the Eternal Creator shall be poured out on ALL FLESH (not Jews or Christians alone).

It's your option to accept it or reject it.

Cheers

OkCornel:


Are those wise sayings TRUTH or lies? Every written TRUTH was once unwritten.

It's the perception of the homos that makes those books a burden and bondage on them.

To make matters even worse...the so called men of God abi gods of men are not helping matters by preaching falsehoods and lies to enrich their greedy and selfish interests.

Like this tithing nonsense that is going on. It's well bro


THE TIME FOR ENLIGHTENMENT HAS COME!

In the last days of evil and wickedness...the Spirit of the Eternal Creator shall be poured out on ALL FLESH (not Jews or Christians alone).

It's your option to accept it or reject it.

Cheers

Accept what or reject what?

Ahasco:


Accept what or reject what?

The outpouring of the Spirit of the Eternal Creator who holds absolute monopoly of the TRUTH

OkCornel:


The outpouring of the Spirit of the Eternal Creator who holds absolute monopoly of the TRUTH

and who is he?

Ahasco:


and who is he?

The Eternal Father and Creator of all things known and unknown.

He has allegiance to no religion under Heaven...

Have you ever wondered why He destined people to be born in Christian, Muslims, Bhuddist, Atheist and other different kind of homes?

OkCornel:


The Eternal Father and Creator of all things known and unknown.

He has allegiance to no religion under Heaven...

Have you ever wondered why He destined people to be born in Christian, Muslims, Bhuddist, Atheist and other different kind of homes?

does he have a name?

Ahasco:


does he have a name?

I do not know His real name. And I am not going to hide under any religious cover to give Him one.

On a personal note, I refer to Him as;

1) Eternal Father
2) Eternal Creator
3) Father of All
4) The Uncreated One

OkCornel:


I do not know His real name. And I am not going to hide under any religious cover to give Him one.

On a personal note, I refer to Him as;

1) Eternal Father
2) Eternal Creator
3) Father of All
4) The Uncreated One

I'm confused here please shed more light

Ahasco:


I'm confused here please shed more light

There's nothing to be confused about.

When you see a painting or an artwork, that is an evidence that an artist did the work. Even if you cannot see or hear from that artist at that point in time.

Relying on your 5 senses alone cannot help you in identifying exactly who this artist (in this case - the Eternal Creator) is.

I hope this analogy helps a bit.

Cheers

OkCornel:


There's nothing to be confused about.

When you see a painting or an artwork, that is an evidence that an artist did the work. Even if you cannot see or hear from that artist at that point in time.

Relying on your 5 senses alone cannot help you in identifying exactly who this artist (in this case - the Eternal Creator) is.

I hope this analogy helps a bit.

Cheers

Nope it didn't help. I need you to explain in detail what you mean. Thanks a lot

Ahasco:

Nope it didn't help. I need you to explain in detail what you mean. Thanks a lot

If you walk into a room and see an artwork, does the artwork validate the existence of the artist?

I'm derailing from the original purpose of this thread.

OkCornel:


If you walk into a room and see an artwork, does the artwork validate the existence of the artist?

I'm derailing from the original purpose of this thread.

Nope you not derailing you adding more knowledge to what is being discussed please continue i'm with you. thanks

Ahasco:


Nope you not derailing you adding more knowledge to what is being discussed please continue i'm with you. thanks

You haven't answered my question