Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol - Islam (2) - Nairaland
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| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by oyiboeru(m): 11:48am On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mynd44:IS THE LAW SCHOOL ABOVE NIGERIAN CONSTITUTION? |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by serikiYCU(m): 11:50am On Dec 15, 2017 |
Wallahu ghaalibu ala amurihi |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by uzoexcel(m): 11:57am On Dec 15, 2017 |
Good analysis.i still believe though that the law of the state shoukd supersede any religious law in that same state...as you quoted, 'the nigerian constitution should be the ground norm' seguntijan: |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 12:00pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
oyiboeru:Can you attend Convenant university and say you want to wear hijab cos it is your religion and right? Can you wear an hijab to ICAN induction? Can you send your child to a private secondary school and insist that your child will wear hijab even after you know that the school uniform does not allow hijab? |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by oyiboeru(m): 12:19pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mynd44:CONVENANT UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY, I'M TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT'S OWN INSTITUTION. PLEASE DON'T MIX IT UP |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 12:46pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
oyiboeru:Being called to bar is NOT a constitutional right, it is a privilege that has certain precedures. The law garanttees you to rights, being a lawyer is NOT a right. We are talking about law school that disqualifies students that refuse to eat during the law dinner here. They have strict rules before you get the priviledge to become one of them. If you cannot/refuse to adhere to those rules, you cannot cry foul. We should be asking for the total removal of uniform for law school (and invite chaos) but not granting passes for people |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Majesty08: 12:53pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
princeade86:I still don't understand why you always referring to the fact that rich or top people from north wives and daughters don't wear hijab, its most stupid things for someone who thinks he is knowledgeable to utter,are they worshiping the rich or top peoples from them or Allah who prescribed it?............seek knowledge please! |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by olumidazz: 1:20pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Do you think reverends deacons nuns bababalawos and the rest of them were not called to bar? Did you see any of them wearing their cassock or songo or babalawos regalia or the reverend sister wearing her nuns dress. The legal proffesion has it place Pls it's either you want to be a lawyer or an imams wife. Pls let's not bring dishonored to the honorable profession. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by serikiYCU(m): 2:45pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
personal59:Thanks for your submissions |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by omokab: 2:45pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
princeade86:if I may ask you a simple question, is there anybody stopping osun and sango female not to wear their uniform or what their god ask them to wear? For practical purpose you can start wearing it today to know if any authority will stop you. And if they do you have right to sue them to court and am sure you will win the case. Thank you |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by seguntijan(op): 3:24pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
uzoexcel:And in the law of the state, freedom of religion is allowed |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by anibirelawal(m): 3:29pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mynd44:But you understand that she has a right to protest over & over again, abi ![]() |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by anibirelawal(m): 3:42pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
olumidazz:Who stop them from puting on their own regila its simply means that yours is of no relevant. if u dont like what we beleive,pls just let us be.we didnt force any one of you to put on hijab, neither can you stop us from doing what is right for us. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by anibirelawal(m): 3:55pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
oyiboeru:That is to tell you how much they HATE MUSLIMs. i dont understand what pleasure they derived from their rants. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Origin(f): 6:06pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mynd44:Muslims don't have a uniform, rather they have a consistent head covering always there 247. On this basis they are not alike. I wont expect less from a nun who wears her habit 247. That is not a Friday or Sunday uniform. And it doesn't stop them from been successful. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 9:01pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mynd44:You're right. Mynd44:The only difference here is that, we are not talking about "Sunday uniform" , but a dressing considered a way of life by a religion. If it's written in the Bible of the cele people that they should dress like that everyday of their lives, let them have it. Our laws must be seen to house our diversity in religion and culture - it must not be static. Mynd44:To address this, I have some pictures for you. I saw them somewhere. 1. A Sikh judge in the UK wearing his turban in a judicial function 2. US army regulations on hijab. 3. A Minnesota police officer 4. An Australian military captain and an engineer.
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| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 9:15pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mynd44...continued 5.Sikhs in the US army 6. A police officer in canada 7. Hijab approved by Scotland police as uniform option 8. Another UK Sikh judge The list is endless. The question is, why are we acting as if we are better than those who sold these things to us?
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| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Whyem15: 9:38pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
I go online and see the hatred hypocritical Christians have for practicing Muslims, they see anything Islamic as a threat to their livelihood and praise anything that is against the practicing of Islam. They are quick to term muslim men with beards terrorists but see nothing bad in Jews keeping theirs, they are very good at finding faults with a Muslimah using Hijab but sees Catholic nuns as pious people, they criticise muslim men with jumping trousers but sees nothing bad in boys wearing jumpers(in fact it's a fashion to them). How does her wearing Hijab affect your life? If you won't like to have an hijabi lawyer soliciting for you in court, then go for another, no one will force you. Even if she is presiding as a judge on your case, you can claim you don't have confidence in her judgment proof why and ask for a new judge. State just one way her Hijab will affect you or anyone else or even the profession or keep mute on the issue. I don't know why you people just hate Muslims for no reason. Jesus didn't preach hate ditto Paul. Where is your religious tolerance? |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 9:50pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Caseless:Lmaoooooo. I am not even anti-hijab or any crap like that. My view is that the law school uniform is dumb and silly and should go which is what you should fight for. Asking NLS to keep their uniform and make allowances for special people based on belief is wrong. It is their rule. As long as that rule stays, every asoect should stay else, we will have Anarchy. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 9:53pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Origin:Law school has strict rules that you are given before you get in. See attached picture. Seeing those rules and still deciding to go against them is breaking the rules. It is like an engineering student wearing sandals to the workshop and not expecting to get bounced.
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| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 10:00pm On Dec 15, 2017*. Modified: 10:24pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Caseless:In the tenets of the Celestial church of Christ, wearing black is not acceptable at all(see attached image) Either as an undergarment or a main garment. It is not about the bible. Some Muslims do not wear hijab so the argument of whether or not it is the bible does not count. Some hijabis were at the same event and they followed the rules of the profession You mentioned laws. I guess this whole thread is predicated on constitution. Lets break it down, being a lawyer is NOT a right, it is a privilege. A privilege you get by following a strict set of rules. It is the same as when the military says no facial hair. If you want to be a lawyer, you have these laws to obey. So in order to enjoy the priviledge of being called to bar, you must wear so so so. Your rights are not included here
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| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 10:07pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
anibirelawal:See arguments based on emotions are just funny. Do you want non Muslims to raise the issue of thousands of non-Muslims girls in secondary schools in the north who are forced to wear hijabs? Because this is true. They are told if they cannot wear hijab, they cannot register and attend government schols which are funded by funds from the federation account Do you want the issue of Northern Unis and Polytecnics denying Christians their right to a religion by the school not granting them permission to build churches? What will you do if schools in Enugu demolish the Mosques and primary and secondary schools in Abia make dressing like nuns compulsory? See the path you want to go is a slippery slope. Go there and I will drag you down that slope |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 10:13pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Whyem15:Sir/ma, this is about the dress code of one person. Do not make this about anyone hating Islam else it will open the door for the atrocities Muslims have committed against non Muslims. We can as well start by taking into account how many non muslims have been killed as a result of religious hate in predominatly Muslim areas of Nigeria against how many Muslims have been hurt in predominatly Non-Muslim areas. Don't make this about what it is not else you will invite another topic that you are really not ready to discuss |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 10:16pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
anibirelawal:And the law school has a right to keep its statues over and over. What you should fight for is a total removal of the silly dress code not make this about Islam Vs NLS cos you will not win |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 11:27pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mynd44:Yes! I agree. Do they dress in white garment everyday or they do that just for the church programme? Is it written in the Bible to always dress in white garment like it's written in the Quran for Muslims to wear hijab? It's the right of the Cele people to wear their garment and this right is enshrined in the constitution - they should wear it anywhere, this is what I stand for. Mynd44:Those that do not wear do that on their own and cannot be used to define or measure those that wear. In my university days, we had girls on campus who always appear as non-Muslims in their dress, but when it's time for prayers, they bring their hijab out to observe salat. It goes to tell you that even those who do not wear know the place of it in Islam and can't condemn this lady in question cos it's religious and at the same time constitutional. Mynd44:This is where the contradiction and open disregard for the grandnum lies. That statement up there is a "mind" statement and it's not a law or a rule. This is like my Alma mater telling us "we are naturally ahead" , and we took to heart and it became our chief metaphor. Mynd44:where are the "laws" gotten from? This is in clear disagreement with a provision of the constitution. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 11:33pm On Dec 15, 2017 |
Mynd44:I'm not even against anything anyone chooses to wear or not to wear. But those who wear what they want to wear shouldn't be discriminated against. You saw the pictures I shared. I've always told my lawyer friends that I'm mad that they force people to dress in white and black - throwing away freedom for "force" as lawyers is bad. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 12:02am On Dec 16, 2017 |
Mynd44:Lol...you're becoming more emotional and less factual. Give us the name of the schools and their locations. The kind of churches we have in our campus, no institution in the south or Christian dominated areas will allow Muslims put up such in their school. I give you as an assignment, check the whole of southern Nigeria , if there's any mosque occupying the swathe of land chapel and the Catholic Church in A.B.U Zaria are occupying. Check again to see if any mosque of that size has been put up anywhere(they've not allowed this). Go to Kongo campus and you'd see another mighty church there. Go to that same campus and see the mosque. Have you forgotten in the SW of those days, students with Muslim names were forced to remove it before they could enjoy free education or admitted into the missionary schools? Do you know how many Muslims in such schools were forced to say the Christian prayers and other Christian stuff they recite at the assembly ground? Sanusi lamido attended a Christian primary school( St. Ann or something) and he was made to be part of everything even as he's a Muslim from an Islamic royal home? There's no public institution in the Muslim dominated areas(north in this case) that does not have mosques and churches. There is no government school in the north where Christians are forced to wear hijab. If there is, give names and locations. Mynd44:You talk as if you have mosques in every institution in enugu or the whole of SE. I was the Muslim "corper' liaison officer in my LG where I served, for years, Muslims have tried to put up a place to pray and this has been rejected by the locals . This happened in abia state . So many other ugly story from other Corp members who faced worst experience cos they're Muslims. I've been to every state in the south, and even did my service there, so I know what I'm saying. I won't sit in my room and bring up conjecture just like you're doing. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 12:04am On Dec 16, 2017 |
oyiboeru:just my question. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 12:07am On Dec 16, 2017 |
Mynd44:Good! Now you're coming out clean instead of hiding under law school rules, you're here as what we think. I want to discuss this if you can prove your facts and figure. |
| Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44(mod): 2:44am On Dec 16, 2017 |
Caseless:Them not wearing black does not have to be written in the bible as long as it is written in the tebets of their church and can be verified. The rest is just bla bla bla. Ask the law school to remove the uniform totally. But this lady knew the rules, knew what and what it takes to be called to bar, attended 2 law dinner where she did not wear her hijad and suddenly remembered on the last day that she wanted to make a point. Yeah right |
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