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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by oyiboeru(m): 11:48am On Dec 15, 2017
Mynd44:

Please this is not about hate but about one person and her fight against he Law school
IS THE LAW SCHOOL ABOVE NIGERIAN CONSTITUTION?
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by serikiYCU(m): 11:50am On Dec 15, 2017
Wallahu ghaalibu ala amurihi
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by uzoexcel(m): 11:57am On Dec 15, 2017
Good analysis.i still believe though that the law of the state shoukd supersede any religious law in that same state...as you quoted, 'the nigerian constitution should be the ground norm'

seguntijan:
BY _O. G. CHUKKOL._

One of the challenges Muslim females are facing is the wearing of hijab. Hijab is a veil they use in covering their body. These challenges are found even in public institutions. The proscription of the use of veils is normally done through rules made in those institutions.

For example there has been complaint that hijab is not allowed in Nigerian Law School, it happened also in Kwara, Lagos, Osun State etc where students were not allowed to wear hijab to schools.

This article seeks to establish that prohibiting Muslim females from wearing veils in public institutions is unconstitutional. Whether the position is the same in private institutions or not is outside the scope of this article.

To clear a preliminary point, I am a Christian and shall by the grace of God die a Christian. This work is based on my little understanding of the law and love for rule of law. The work is also informed by my agreement with the words of Martin Luther King Jr. who once said:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly."

In other words, it is Muslim female facing it today, tomorrow it may be Christians. So, I feel spade should be called a spade.

Let us first examine the basis of the use of hijab by Muslim women. Chapter 24 verse 30-31 of the Glorious Holy Qur'an says:

“... Enjoin believing women to COVER THEIR GAZE and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that THEY SHOULD DRAW THEIR VEILS OVER THEIR BOSOMS AND NOT DISPLAY THEIR BEAUTY except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband’s father, their sons, their husband’s Sons, their brothers or their brother’s Sons or their sisters’ sons or other women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, ..."

It follows from the verse above that wearing of hijab by Muslim women is a Quranic injunction so a Muslim female is bound to obey it without question.

The next point is whether a Muslim female can capitalize on the provision of Glorious Qur’an to insist that she is entitled to wear Hijab everywhere. The answer is obviously in the affirmative.
Subsection (1) of section 38 of the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 (2011 as amended), it provides as follows:

"Every person shall be entitled to freedom of thought, conscience and religion...and IN PUBLIC or IN PRIVATE) to MANIFEST AND PROPAGATE his RELIGION or BELIEF in worship, teaching, PRACTICE and OBSERVANCE" (emphasis mine)

The constitution is a ground norm and by section 1(1) & (3) thereof, it is Supreme and binding on all authorities and persons in Nigeria and as well above the ordinary laws of the land. Since the constitution recognizes ones right to manifest ones religion and belief in practice and observance, a Muslim female, being a Nigerian too, has the right to wear her hijab anywhere.

In the case of PDP V CPC (2011) 17 NWLR (pt 1277) 485 at 511 ​it was held;

_“The Constitution of Nigeria is the grundnorm, otherwise known as the basic norm from which all the other laws of the society derive their validity. Each legal norm of the Society derives its validity from basic norm. Any other law that is in conflict with the provision of the Constitution must give way or abate”._

Courts have consistently held that, having regards to chapter 24:30-31 of the Holy Quran, a Muslim female has the unfettered right to wear her hijab anywhere.

The Court of Appeal Ilorin Division in the Unreported case of *THE PROVOST, KWARA STATE COLLEGE OF EDUCATION, ILORIN & 2 ORS VS BASHIRAT SALIU & 2 ORS Appeal No CA/IL/49/2006,
delivered on the 18th day of June, 2009, per Hussein Mukhtar, JCA,held at page 15 – 16 of the lead judgement thus:

“The foregoing verses of the Glorious Qur’an and Hadiths have left no room for doubt on the Islamic Injunction on women’s mode of dress, which is clearly in conformity with not only the Respondent’s veiled dress but also the controversial article J of the 3rd Applicants’ dress code. The use of veil by the respondents, therefore qualifies as a fundamental right under Section 38 (1) of the Constitution”.

The Court of Appeal further held per Massoud AbdulRahman Oredola, JCA at page 2 of the concurrent judgement;

“The right of the Respondents to wear their Hijab, veil within the School campus and INDEED ANYWHERE else is adequately protected under our laws. Human rights recognizes and protects religious rights. Section 38 of the
1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria guaranteed freedom of religion to all and sundry. Thus things that lawfully constitute OPEN MANIFESTATION, PROPAGATION, WORSHIP, TEACHING, PRACTICE AND OBSERVANCE of
the said religion are equally and by extension similarly guaranteed and protected by the Constitution. Indeed the Hijab, Niqab or Burqa, being part and parcel of Islamic code of dressing and by whatever standard a dignified
or vividly decent one cannot be taken away by any other law other than the Constitution”

Just last year, 2016, Justice Falola of the Osun State High Court restated the law as pronounced in the Court of Appeal decision above while delivering judgement in the case of Sheikh Oyinwola & Ors V The Governor of Osun state & Ors SUIT NO. HOS/M.17/2013 delivered on the 3rd of June, 2016. Bound by the time honoured principle of Judicial Precedent, the court held that the use of Islamically prescribed head cover called Hijab by the Muslim Female Students in all Primary and Secondary
Schools in Osun State forms part of their fundamental rights to
freedom of religion, conscience and thought as contained in Section
38 of 1999 Constitution of Federal Republic of Nigeria (as amended) and also declared that Article 8.2(v) of the “Guidelines on Administration
and Discipline in Osun State Public Schools“ issued by the Ministry
of Education prohibiting Muslim females from wearing hijab in public schools is not only discriminatory against Muslim female students but also uncalled for, inconsistent with Section 38 of 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and a clear violation of the fundamental rights of Muslim female
students in Public Schools in Osun State to freedom of religion and therefore null, void and of no effect whatsoever.

A month after, A specially constituted panel of the Court of Appeal sitting in Lagos on Thursday, July 21, 2016 unanimously reaffirmed its decision delivered in 2009 at Ilorin, Kwara state Division. It reversed the judgment of a Lagos State High Court in Ikeja which on October 17, 2014 banned the use of hijab in Lagos State public primary and secondary schools.
The appellate declared in a unanimous judgment on Thursday that the ban was discriminatory against Muslim pupils in the state.
It accordingly reinstated the use of hijab in Lagos schools.

This writer is not unaware that section 38 of the constitution (right to religion) is not absolute. The right is subject to section 45 of the constitution which gives government the right to disregard citizen's right to religion in the interest of defence, public safety,
public order, public morality or public health; or for the purpose of protecting the rights and freedom of other persons. For instance during the Bokoharam insurgency in the North East, government was right when it temporarily banned the use hijab because then some suicide bombers hid bombs therein.

Another example is the fact that every person has the right on religious ground (say Jehovah Witness sect refusal of blood transfusion) not to submit to treatment recommended by a doctor even if the refusal of treatment can lead to the death of the patient. However for the purpose of public interest, and relying on the authority of the Supreme Court decision in M.D.P.D.T. v. Okonkwo (2001) 6 NWLR (Pt.710), such right would be held in abeyance if the disease, like Ebola and the like, is contagious.

In the light of what has so far been stated and in the absence of any exceptional circumstance as the ones mentioned above, every Muslim female has the unfettered right to wear her hijab anywhere. Prohibition of wearing of hijab in some public institutions is unconstitutional. The institutions concerned are hereby advised to reverse those rules.

O. G. Chukkol is a student, Faculty of Law, ABU, Zaria.
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 12:00pm On Dec 15, 2017
oyiboeru:

IS THE LAW SCHOOL ABOVE NIGERIAN CONSTITUTION?


Can you attend Convenant university and say you want to wear hijab cos it is your religion and right?

Can you wear an hijab to ICAN induction?

Can you send your child to a private secondary school and insist that your child will wear hijab even after you know that the school uniform does not allow hijab?

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by oyiboeru(m): 12:19pm On Dec 15, 2017
Mynd44:



Can you attend Convenant university and say you want to wear hijab cos it is your religion and right?

Can you wear an hijab to ICAN induction?

Can you send your child to a private secondary school and insist that your child will wear hijab even after you know that the school uniform does not allow hijab?

CONVENANT UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY, I'M TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT'S OWN INSTITUTION. PLEASE DON'T MIX IT UP
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 12:46pm On Dec 15, 2017
oyiboeru:


CONVENANT UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY, I'M TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT'S OWN INSTITUTION. PLEASE DON'T MIX IT UP
Being called to bar is NOT a constitutional right, it is a privilege that has certain precedures.

The law garanttees you to rights, being a lawyer is NOT a right.

We are talking about law school that disqualifies students that refuse to eat during the law dinner here. They have strict rules before you get the priviledge to become one of them.

If you cannot/refuse to adhere to those rules, you cannot cry foul.

We should be asking for the total removal of uniform for law school (and invite chaos) but not granting passes for people

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Majesty08: 12:53pm On Dec 15, 2017
princeade86:
very true, buh muslim are taking it to wrong way. And i believe is nt all of them. Av nt see any of their top in d north,teach their daughter to wear hijab by force to everywhere. U can imagine that even at NYSC,dey want to wear it by force. If we allow dis, why nt allow other religions like OSUN, SANGO, EGUN, OBATALA AND IGUNNU worshippers to wear their costume to institutions. Or are they not religions?

I still don't understand why you always referring to the fact that rich or top people from north wives and daughters don't wear hijab, its most stupid things for someone who thinks he is knowledgeable to utter,are they worshiping the rich or top peoples from them or Allah who prescribed it?............seek knowledge please!

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by olumidazz: 1:20pm On Dec 15, 2017
Do you think reverends deacons nuns bababalawos and the rest of them were not called to bar? Did you see any of them wearing their cassock or songo or babalawos regalia or the reverend sister wearing her nuns dress.

The legal proffesion has it place Pls it's either you want to be a lawyer or an imams wife. Pls let's not bring dishonored to the honorable profession.
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by serikiYCU(m): 2:45pm On Dec 15, 2017
personal59:
this life




Tohib Adejumo wrote:


Reflections on the Nigerian Christian
Years ago, I was a junior secondary school pupil of Government College, Ibadan. Early morning on assembly ground, I would watch
as Miss Jimoh or Mrs. Oyerinde, stand eyes closed in prayer, cane in hand, while concluding each prayer sentence with “in the name
of Jesus!” Young as I was during those years, there was something unsettling about their prayers.
You see, GCI had a rule, or so I had learned from old boys, that the school was secular in the sense that on assembly grounds
prayers favoring Christianity or Islam may not be made, but God can be used because of its neutrality to both religions. But these
teachers, wittingly or not, broke the rule, and it was okay. Many years later this praying style lends me a view to the Nigerian
Christian mind.
Lately, I have been thinking of my Nigerian Christian friends and their privilege (which most are unaware of its existence) in the
academic institutions and workplace. Many of our Nigerian Christian friends never had issues stemming from their conscience
conflicting with the system, so when a fellow Nigerian compatriot who is a Muslim say he or she has a conflict with the system,
they’re fast to think that the person is just being unnecessarily stubborn and being a cry-baby. Those Muslims are extremist
anyways.
But what the Nigerian Christian friend forget is the fact that even though both Muslims and Christians are full citizens of the country,
the system of the country had been designed primarily with the needs and accommodation of one person in mind – the Nigerian
Christian. Not the Muslim.
The British Imperialists who colonized us were Christians so every aspect of life touched by them was designed to naturally favor
their way of living which has Christianity at its center. This is not to say that there was a cynical attempt to make the systems
exclusively favor one religion over the other, because such an assertion would be ludicrous. They were just doing what came naturally
to them, and had Muslims colonized Nigeria, the same would have been true as well. So returning to the point, Sundays were no
school days, Christmas and New Year celebrations fell wholly in holiday seasons, and there was nothing prohibiting the use of crucifix
in schools.
You will remember that most of the public schools were once missionary schools. In Ibadan, we have Saint Annes Girls School, Saint
Teresa, Baptist High School, Methodist High School, and many more. This again buttresses the point that everything is in favor of the
Nigerian Christian student. He never has to worry about his Sunday church service conflicting with WAEC schedule as we have seen
in recent years for Muslim students, when the examination commission in a cavalier way set an exam time to conflict with the time
for Jumua service.
Nigeria has been independent for a while now (some 57 years) and I do think the recent public debates on the violations of Nigerian
citizens’ constitutional rights to freedom of religious expression should call the Nigerian Christian student to a somber reflection of
his or her own privilege. The Nigerian Christian should understand that she is called freely to the bar without any buts or ifs because
of the privilege that comes with being Christian in Nigeria. She should therefore rise and hold the hand of the Nigerian Muslim woman
and demand that she too must be called to the bar with no ifs and buts.
She should understand that putting a scarf on one’s head as required by one’s faith should have no bearings on once admission to
nursing school at all. He should know that, just like shaving the beard clean is of no consequence to one’s office job, keeping it
should equally be inconsequential.
In short, the Nigerian Christian must look into the privilege his religion affords him in this country of ours, and make sure that other
Nigerians be afforded similar rights and privileges. No one should have to choose between identifying as a Christian, and being a
journalist. I think you and I will agree on this.

Thanks for your submissions
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by omokab: 2:45pm On Dec 15, 2017
princeade86:
very true, buh muslim are taking it to wrong way. And i believe is nt all of them. Av nt see any of their top in d north,teach their daughter to wear hijab by force to everywhere. U can imagine that even at NYSC,dey want to wear it by force. If we allow dis, why nt allow other religions like OSUN, SANGO, EGUN, OBATALA AND IGUNNU worshippers to wear their costume to institutions. Or are they not religions?
if I may ask you a simple question, is there anybody stopping osun and sango female not to wear their uniform or what their god ask them to wear? For practical purpose you can start wearing it today to know if any authority will stop you. And if they do you have right to sue them to court and am sure you will win the case. Thank you
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by seguntijan(m): 3:24pm On Dec 15, 2017
uzoexcel:
Good analysis.i still believe though that the law of the state shoukd supersede any religious law in that same state...as you quoted, 'the nigerian constitution should be the ground norm'


And in the law of the state, freedom of religion is allowed
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by anibirelawal(m): 3:29pm On Dec 15, 2017
Mynd44:

Please this is not about hate but about one person and her fight against he Law school
But you understand that she has a right to protest over & over again, abi
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by anibirelawal(m): 3:42pm On Dec 15, 2017
olumidazz:
Do you think reverends deacons nuns bababalawos and the rest of them were not called to bar? Did you see any of them wearing their cassock or songo or babalawos regalia or the reverend sister wearing her nuns dress.

Who stop them from puting on their own regila its simply means that yours is of no relevant. if u dont like what we beleive,pls just let us be.
we didnt force any one of you to put on hijab, neither can you stop us from doing what is right for us.

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by anibirelawal(m): 3:55pm On Dec 15, 2017
oyiboeru:
WHY IS IT THAT WHENEVER THE MUSLIMS ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THAT IS BEING INFRINGE UPON BY ANY INSTITUTION, SOME PEOPLE WILL JUST LIKE TO OPPOSE/CRITICIZE IT, WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE LOCUS STANDI IN THE STRUGGLE. SMH
That is to tell you how much they HATE MUSLIMs. i dont understand what pleasure they derived from their rants.

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Origin(f): 6:06pm On Dec 15, 2017
Mynd44:

Uniforms are there for a reason. Take that away and we will descend into chaos.

Celestial Church of Christ members are not allowed to wear black at all. Imagine what will happen if we say "lets allow the hijabi" based on her religion. Do we do the same for the Cele members?

We can make a case for the total removal of the uniform as it creates an environment where you cannot practice your freedom of religion and expression but to make a case where we will allow the uniform and allow hijabis is not going to end well.


Muslims don't have a uniform, rather they have a consistent head covering always there 247.

On this basis they are not alike. I wont expect less from a nun who wears her habit 247.

That is not a Friday or Sunday uniform. And it doesn't stop them from been successful.

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 9:01pm On Dec 15, 2017
Mynd44:

Uniforms are there for a reason. Take that away and we will descend into chaos.
You're right.

Mynd44:

Celestial Church of Christ members are not allowed to wear black at all. Imagine what will happen if we say "lets allow the hijabi" based on her religion. Do we do the same for the Cele members?

The only difference here is that, we are not talking about "Sunday uniform" , but a dressing considered a way of life by a religion.

If it's written in the Bible of the cele people that they should dress like that everyday of their lives, let them have it. Our laws must be seen to house our diversity in religion and culture - it must not be static.


Mynd44:

We can make a case for the total removal of the uniform as it creates an environment where you cannot practice your freedom of religion and expression but to make a case where we will allow the uniform and allow hijabis is not going to end well.
To address this, I have some pictures for you. I saw them somewhere.

1. A Sikh judge in the UK wearing his turban in a judicial function
2. US army regulations on hijab.
3. A Minnesota police officer
4. An Australian military captain and an engineer.

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 9:15pm On Dec 15, 2017
Mynd44...continued


5.Sikhs in the US army
6. A police officer in canada
7. Hijab approved by Scotland police as uniform option
8. Another UK Sikh judge


The list is endless. The question is, why are we acting as if we are better than those who sold these things to us?

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Whyem15: 9:38pm On Dec 15, 2017
I go online and see the hatred hypocritical Christians have for practicing Muslims, they see anything Islamic as a threat to their livelihood and praise anything that is against the practicing of Islam. They are quick to term muslim men with beards terrorists but see nothing bad in Jews keeping theirs, they are very good at finding faults with a Muslimah using Hijab but sees Catholic nuns as pious people, they criticise muslim men with jumping trousers but sees nothing bad in boys wearing jumpers(in fact it's a fashion to them). How does her wearing Hijab affect your life? If you won't like to have an hijabi lawyer soliciting for you in court, then go for another, no one will force you. Even if she is presiding as a judge on your case, you can claim you don't have confidence in her judgment proof why and ask for a new judge.

State just one way her Hijab will affect you or anyone else or even the profession or keep mute on the issue.

I don't know why you people just hate Muslims for no reason. Jesus didn't preach hate ditto Paul. Where is your religious tolerance?

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 9:50pm On Dec 15, 2017
Caseless:
Mynd44...continued


5.Sikhs in the US army
6. A police officer in canada
7. Hijab approved by Scotland police as uniform option
8. Another UK Sikh judge


The list is endless. The question is, why are we acting as if we are better than those who sold these things to us?

Lmaoooooo.

I am not even anti-hijab or any crap like that. My view is that the law school uniform is dumb and silly and should go which is what you should fight for.

Asking NLS to keep their uniform and make allowances for special people based on belief is wrong.

It is their rule. As long as that rule stays, every asoect should stay else, we will have Anarchy.
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 9:53pm On Dec 15, 2017
Origin:



Muslims don't have a uniform, rather they have a consistent head covering always there 247.

On this basis they are not alike. I wont expect less from a nun who wears her habit 247.

That is not a Friday or Sunday uniform. And it doesn't stop them from been successful.
Law school has strict rules that you are given before you get in. See attached picture.

Seeing those rules and still deciding to go against them is breaking the rules. It is like an engineering student wearing sandals to the workshop and not expecting to get bounced.

Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 10:00pm On Dec 15, 2017
Caseless:


If it's written in the Bible of the cele people that they should dress like that everyday of their lives, let them have it. Our laws must be seen to house our diversity in religion and culture - it must not be static.


In the tenets of the Celestial church of Christ, wearing black is not acceptable at all(see attached image) Either as an undergarment or a main garment. It is not about the bible.

Some Muslims do not wear hijab so the argument of whether or not it is the bible does not count.

Some hijabis were at the same event and they followed the rules of the profession

You mentioned laws. I guess this whole thread is predicated on constitution.

Lets break it down, being a lawyer is NOT a right, it is a privilege. A privilege you get by following a strict set of rules. It is the same as when the military says no facial hair.

If you want to be a lawyer, you have these laws to obey. So in order to enjoy the priviledge of being called to bar, you must wear so so so. Your rights are not included here

Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 10:07pm On Dec 15, 2017
anibirelawal:

Who stop them from puting on their own regila its simply means that yours is of no relevant. if u dont like what we beleive,pls just let us be.
we didnt force any one of you to put on hijab, neither can you stop us from doing what is right for us.

See arguments based on emotions are just funny. Do you want non Muslims to raise the issue of thousands of non-Muslims girls in secondary schools in the north who are forced to wear hijabs? Because this is true. They are told if they cannot wear hijab, they cannot register and attend government schols which are funded by funds from the federation account

Do you want the issue of Northern Unis and Polytecnics denying Christians their right to a religion by the school not granting them permission to build churches?

What will you do if schools in Enugu demolish the Mosques and primary and secondary schools in Abia make dressing like nuns compulsory?

See the path you want to go is a slippery slope. Go there and I will drag you down that slope
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 10:13pm On Dec 15, 2017
Whyem15:
I go online and see the hatred hypocritical Christians have for practicing Muslims, they see anything Islamic as a threat to their livelihood and praise anything that is against the practicing of Islam. They are quick to term muslim men with beards terrorists but see nothing bad in Jews keeping theirs, they are very good at finding faults with a Muslimah using Hijab but sees Catholic nuns as pious people, they criticise muslim men with jumping trousers but sees nothing bad in boys wearing jumpers(in fact it's a fashion to them). How does her wearing Hijab affect your life? If you won't like to have an hijabi lawyer soliciting for you in court, then go for another, no one will force you. Even if she is presiding as a judge on your case, you can claim you don't have confidence in her judgment proof why and ask for a new judge.

State just one way her Hijab will affect you or anyone else or even the profession or keep mute on the issue.

I don't know why you people just hate Muslims for no reason. Jesus didn't preach hate ditto Paul. Where is your religious tolerance?


Sir/ma, this is about the dress code of one person. Do not make this about anyone hating Islam else it will open the door for the atrocities Muslims have committed against non Muslims.

We can as well start by taking into account how many non muslims have been killed as a result of religious hate in predominatly Muslim areas of Nigeria against how many Muslims have been hurt in predominatly Non-Muslim areas.

Don't make this about what it is not else you will invite another topic that you are really not ready to discuss

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 10:16pm On Dec 15, 2017
anibirelawal:

But you understand that she has a right to protest over & over again, abi
And the law school has a right to keep its statues over and over.

What you should fight for is a total removal of the silly dress code not make this about Islam Vs NLS cos you will not win
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 11:27pm On Dec 15, 2017
Mynd44:

In the tenets of the Celestial church of Christ, wearing black is not acceptable at all(see attached image) Either as an undergarment or a main garment. It is not about the bible.
Yes! I agree. Do they dress in white garment everyday or they do that just for the church programme? Is it written in the Bible to always dress in white garment like it's written in the Quran for Muslims to wear hijab?

It's the right of the Cele people to wear their garment and this right is enshrined in the constitution - they should wear it anywhere, this is what I stand for.

Mynd44:




Some Muslims do not wear hijab so the argument of whether or not it is the bible does not count.

Some hijabis were at the same event and they followed the rules of the profession
Those that do not wear do that on their own and cannot be used to define or measure those that wear.

In my university days, we had girls on campus who always appear as non-Muslims in their dress, but when it's time for prayers, they bring their hijab out to observe salat. It goes to tell you that even those who do not wear know the place of it in Islam and can't condemn this lady in question cos it's religious and at the same time constitutional.

Mynd44:




You mentioned laws. I guess this whole thread is predicated on constitution.

Lets break it down, being a lawyer is NOT a right, it is a privilege. A privilege you get by following a strict set of rules. It is the same as when the military says no facial hair.
This is where the contradiction and open disregard for the grandnum lies.

That statement up there is a "mind" statement and it's not a law or a rule. This is like my Alma mater telling us "we are naturally ahead" , and we took to heart and it became our chief metaphor.

Mynd44:



If you want to be a lawyer, you have these laws to obey. So in order to enjoy the priviledge of being called to bar, you must wear so so so. Your rights are not included here
where are the "laws" gotten from? This is in clear disagreement with a provision of the constitution.

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 11:33pm On Dec 15, 2017
Mynd44:


Lmaoooooo.

I am not even anti-hijab or any crap like that. My view is that the law school uniform is dumb and silly and should go which is what you should fight for.

Asking NLS to keep their uniform and make allowances for special people based on belief is wrong.

It is their rule. As long as that rule stays, every asoect should stay else, we will have Anarchy.
I'm not even against anything anyone chooses to wear or not to wear. But those who wear what they want to wear shouldn't be discriminated against.

You saw the pictures I shared. I've always told my lawyer friends that I'm mad that they force people to dress in white and black - throwing away freedom for "force" as lawyers is bad.
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 12:02am On Dec 16, 2017
Mynd44:


See arguments based on emotions are just funny. Do you want non Muslims to raise the issue of thousands of non-Muslims girls in secondary schools in the north who are forced to wear hijabs? Because this is true. They are told if they cannot wear hijab, they cannot register and attend government schols which are funded by funds from the federation account

Do you want the issue of Northern Unis and Polytecnics denying Christians their right to a religion by the school not granting them permission to build churches?
Lol...you're becoming more emotional and less factual.

Give us the name of the schools and their locations. The kind of churches we have in our campus, no institution in the south or Christian dominated areas will allow Muslims put up such in their school.

I give you as an assignment, check the whole of southern Nigeria , if there's any mosque occupying the swathe of land chapel and the Catholic Church in A.B.U Zaria are occupying. Check again to see if any mosque of that size has been put up anywhere(they've not allowed this). Go to Kongo campus and you'd see another mighty church there. Go to that same campus and see the mosque.

Have you forgotten in the SW of those days, students with Muslim names were forced to remove it before they could enjoy free education or admitted into the missionary schools? Do you know how many Muslims in such schools were forced to say the Christian prayers and other Christian stuff they recite at the assembly ground?

Sanusi lamido attended a Christian primary school( St. Ann or something) and he was made to be part of everything even as he's a Muslim from an Islamic royal home?

There's no public institution in the Muslim dominated areas(north in this case) that does not have mosques and churches.
There is no government school in the north where Christians are forced to wear hijab. If there is, give names and locations.

Mynd44:



What will you do if schools in Enugu demolish the Mosques and primary and secondary schools in Abia make dressing like nuns compulsory?

See the path you want to go is a slippery slope. Go there and I will drag you down that slope
You talk as if you have mosques in every institution in enugu or the whole of SE.

I was the Muslim "corper' liaison officer in my LG where I served, for years, Muslims have tried to put up a place to pray and this has been rejected by the locals . This happened in abia state . So many other ugly story from other Corp members who faced worst experience cos they're Muslims.

I've been to every state in the south, and even did my service there, so I know what I'm saying. I won't sit in my room and bring up conjecture just like you're doing.

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 12:04am On Dec 16, 2017
oyiboeru:

IS THE LAW SCHOOL ABOVE NIGERIAN CONSTITUTION?
just my question.
Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Caseless: 12:07am On Dec 16, 2017
Mynd44:


Sir/ma, this is about the dress code of one person. Do not make this about anyone hating Islam else it will open the door for the atrocities Muslims have committed against non Muslims.

We can as well start by taking into account how many non muslims have been killed as a result of religious hate in predominatly Muslim areas of Nigeria against how many Muslims have been hurt in predominatly Non-Muslim areas.


Don't make this about what it is not else you will invite another topic that you are really not ready to discuss
Good! Now you're coming out clean instead of hiding under law school rules, you're here as what we think.

I want to discuss this if you can prove your facts and figure.

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Re: Position Of The Law On The Use Of Hijab/Veil In Public Institutions- O.G Chukkol by Mynd44: 2:44am On Dec 16, 2017
Caseless:
Yes! I agree. Do they dress in white garment everyday or they do that just for the church programme? Is it written in the Bible to always dress in white garment like it's written in the Quran for Muslims to wear hijab?

It's the right of the Cele people to wear their garment and this right is enshrined in the constitution - they should wear it anywhere, this is what I stand for.

Those that do not wear do that on their own and cannot be used to define or measure those that wear.

In my university days, we had girls on campus who always appear as non-Muslims in their dress, but when it's time for prayers, they bring their hijab out to observe salat. It goes to tell you that even those who do not wear know the place of it in Islam and can't condemn this lady in question cos it's religious and at the same time constitutional.

This is where the contradiction and open disregard for the grandnum lies.

That statement up there is a "mind" statement and it's not a law or a rule. This is like my Alma mater telling us "we are naturally ahead" , and we took to heart and it became our chief metaphor.

where are the "laws" gotten from? This is in clear disagreement with a provision of the constitution.
Them not wearing black does not have to be written in the bible as long as it is written in the tebets of their church and can be verified.

The rest is just bla bla bla.

Ask the law school to remove the uniform totally. But this lady knew the rules, knew what and what it takes to be called to bar, attended 2 law dinner where she did not wear her hijad and suddenly remembered on the last day that she wanted to make a point.

Yeah right

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