ItsTutsi:
this issue is not up for debate..so u mean to say kaduna state is dominated by Christians?

Nowenuse:


Kaduna state is almost equally split between adherents of both religions. If there is any margin at all, it will be very small.

I know the in and out and the complete demography of Kaduna state. If you have facts, pls try to disprove it.

Kaduna state does not begin and end in Giwa, Kubau, Zaria or Makarfi, okay?

There is an entire LGA, towns and communities in Kaduna state without a single mosque

ItsTutsi:
i wont play that game with u..who is the majority between Muslims and Christians in kaduna?

Nowenuse:


What is this? Don't you understand simple English?

I said there is no clear majority in Kaduna state just like in Nigeria...... Christians & muslims, who is more in Nigeria? Christians will say they are majority, muslims will say they are majority. And if you truly try to balance the statistics with states and ethnicity, you will see that it is almost a tie..... This is the same case with Kaduna state. There is no clear majority.

Pls if you have facts, bring them forward.

I have my own facts.

ItsTutsi:
hahahaha "it's almost a tie" ,whatever suites ur narrative and makes u feel better..thats why y kaduna has never had Christian governor apart from that other guy

Nowenuse:


Can't you see your level of bigotry? Is governorship election supposed to be based on religion?

The kind of christianity practiced in the north heavily discourages politics. This was the mentality that made many northern christians lag behind in politics for long. Another thing is that most northern Christians used to think that they and the muslims were one and all northerners together. They are just realizing that they have been wrong all this while and things are gradually changing. Only that it will take a long time for them to catch up with the muslims who have been taught and mastered politics coupled with religious bigotry from time immemorial. People who have been taught that it is a sin for an infidel to assume political authority over them.

ItsTutsi:
hahahaha "it's almost a tie" ,whatever suites ur narrative and makes u feel better..thats why y kaduna has never had Christian governor apart from that other guy

ItsTutsi:
u mean northern states like benue,taraba and platue that have refused to allow a muslim to rule even though they have marginal percentage

mannatech:

That other guy?
Arguing about a place u know little about only shows u are can hardly accept the truth even when its staring u in ur face.
Muslims compose roughly 60% of the population and Christians constitute roughly 40% of the population

mannatech:

That other guy?
Arguing about a place u know little about only shows u are can hardly accept the truth even when its staring u in ur face.
Muslims compose roughly 60% of the population and Christians constitute roughly 40% of the population

ItsTutsi:
I don't understand what u are trying to say?

Nowenuse:


There are about 50 indigenous tribes in Plateau state. Can you pls mention at least 3 of these tribes with a muslim majority?

Only Tivs produce governors in Benue state and 99% of them are christians. Where do you want the muslim candidate to come from? The sky?

Taraba is the only state here with a significant muslim population. 2 out of the 3 senators of the state are muslims. Infact there was a particular time when the 3 senators from Taraba were all muslims. Even Taraba south where 85 or more % are christians, yet they produced a muslim senator. Same thing with Plateau, in Plateau central, Ibrahim Mantu (former deputy senate president) a muslim, was once the senator of the zone and this zone is nothing less than 80% christians.
Now tell me, is it possible for a christian to produce senator in an overwhelmingly muslim dominated zone in the north? Hell no! If it has happened, show me.

Governorsip in Taraba is rotated according to tribe and senatorial district and not by religion. The first governor was Mumuye (the largest tribe in Taraba north) and they are mostly christians. When power came to Taraba central where the fulanis have a larger population, they lost it to a Chamba person (which was no one's fault but theirs), now power has gone to Taraba south (Jukun land) and this zone has the lowest muslim population. So you can see that it is quite fair.

Now tell me why power is not rotated to Kaduna south or Gombe south?

For instance, a christian has not produced governor in Nasarawa or Kogi states (which have at least 50% christian each), but no one can ever accuse anyone because anybody that knows the internal politics of both states will know that tribe and tribalism is the most important factor for governorship selection in both states.

mannatech:

U said Kaduna state never had any Christian Governor apart from that other guy. U don't know his name, so u know very little about Kaduna.

Nowenuse:


Pls are you referring to me? If you are, can you pls tell me by whom or where was this 60% muslim Kaduna state population ascertained? Can you please bring facts forward to buttress your claim?

Out of the 23 local govt areas that make up Kaduna state, 11-12 of them are dominated by christians and indigenous tribes who are mostly Christians. Can you disprove this?

ItsTutsi:
well I don't claim to know all about kaduna state,but one thing u can't fool me on is saying kaduna has 50% christians

mannatech:

We can argue back and forth on this, only if we have reliable information and statistical data in this country.

ItsTutsi:
bros there is nothing like needing a reliable data,it's just like telling u that I believe abia or enugu state have 50% muslims,bcuz I have not seen statistic that says otherwise..is that logical

mannatech:

I really don't Care about the ratio of Christian to Muslim in Kaduna. All i want is peace, unity and good governance.
Till when we are ready to come together and collectively demand for our rights, the politicians will continue to rob us and hide behind religion and ethnicity.

ItsTutsi:
haha I don't really care too,but it's like an insult to my reasoning and he took me as a fool for him to have said kaduna has 50% christians..its like saying America has 50% Muslim..hahaha I have gone to school too

ItsTutsi:
haha I don't really care too,but it's like an insult to my reasoning and he took me as a fool for him to have said kaduna habs 50% christians..its like saying America has 50% Muslim..hahaha I have gone to school too

ItsTutsi:
hahaha guy i know fee argue with u!!! imagine saying nassarawa and kogi have 50% christians,bros are u okay!? ..i can decide to be deluded and a bigot by saying enugu and abia have 50% Muslims,I'm just reading and laughing at ur stupidity..u should have also said Zamfara and sokoto have 50% christians..dude no matter what I say,it won't convince u bcuz u have made up ur mind,but ur highly delusional to say kogi,nassarawa and kaduna have 50% christians

ItsTutsi:
hahaha guy i know fee argue with u!!! imagine saying nassarawa and kogi have 50% christians,bros are u okay!? ..i can decide to be deluded and a bigot by saying enugu and abia have 50% Muslims,I'm just reading and laughing at ur stupidity..u should have also said Zamfara and sokoto have 50% christians..dude no matter what I say,it won't convince u bcuz u have made up ur mind,but ur highly delusional to say kogi,nassarawa and kaduna have 50% christians

mannatech:

No.
Bro, Kaduna state demographic based on religion is not analysed by only indigenous residents but mostly by its present residents who are from other states.
Look at the opinions of people from other regions about the north and that will tell u the willingness of southerners to migrate to the north.
Same cannot be said about the Hausa/fulani/kanuri from other neighboring states like katsina(which was once part of Kaduna state) who flood Kaduna to hustle or the nigeriens, Chadians who will quickly claim Nigerians even without proper documents.

ItsTutsi:
haha I don't really care too,but it's like an insult to my reasoning and he took me as a fool for him to have said kaduna has 50% christians..its like saying America has 50% Muslim..hahaha I have gone to school too

Nowenuse:


Yes bro i get you perfectly well. But pls, i never based my argument on indigenes alone.

As much as a lot of Hausas and muslims from other states flock Kaduna, don't you think that many christians from other states also flock Kaduna?

Do you know how many Igbos and Benue people lived and were born in Kaduna for instance? Many other christians from places like Plateau, Taraba, Kogi, yoruba and even Niger delta also live in Kaduna (although yes I will agree with you that the muslim immigration to Kaduna should be slightly higher) considering the geographical location of Kaduna state (being closer to muslim states than christian states).

Infact if we are talking about original Kaduna indigenes (Zaria indigenes VS Southern Kaduna indigenes) there will be no need for any arguments. Southern kaduna indigenes willl beat Zaria indigenes in population hands down.
Too many people from Katsina state already living in Kaduna (considering the old Kaduna state). It's like Plateau and Nasarawa. Too many Nasarawa and Benue people living in Jos (cos of old Benue-Plateau state).

Nowenuse:


If anyone claims America has 50% muslims, the person can do well to list the states and cities in America that are muslim dominated. Chikena.

I claim Kaduna state is around 50/50 and I brought out facts to back this up which neither you or anyone can disprove.

Kaduna state is divided into 23 local govt areas and 3 senatorial districts. Out of these 3 districts, the entire Kaduna south senatorial district with 8 LGAs is completely christian dominated.

In Kaduna central & north, 4 local govts which are Chikun, Kajuru, Lere and Kaduna south LGAs have christian majority/large areas which are christian dominated.

Chikun is dominated and controlled by the Gbagyis who are of course overwhelmingly christians. Kajuru is dominated by the Adara people, In Lere, the Kurama are clearly the largest tribe and are mostly christians. Kaduna south needs no much explanation.

Now this does not mean that there are no numerous christian communities in other parts of Kaduna, but simply they are not large enough to claim majority or up to half of the population of any other LGA. Otherwise we have many Gbagyi communities in Igabi LGA. We have Kurama christian villages in Kubau LGA. We have Kamuku christian villages in Birnin gwari LGA and last but no the least, we have many Indigenous Zaria (or Hausa fulani christians) from Kaduna north. We also have many settlers from southern kaduna and other Christians who live in Zaria and other parts of kaduna north just as we have many muslim settlers who live in southern kaduna and some muslim indigenous communities too!

So you see my friend, facts rule! Provide your facts or just shut up.


There are over 50 different tribes in Kaduna state and only Hausas and fulanis are predominantly muslims, the other dozens of tribes who are found spread all over in at least 15 of the 23 LGAs that make up Kaduna state are predominantly christians!

Or can you mention one single tribe in Kaduna state apart from Hausa fulani that has more muslims?

senatordave1:

I like your analysis.they are on point.but i believe the muslims in kaduna state are slightly more than christians since most parts of kaduna central and kaduna north are muslim dominated.moreover,the hausa fulani the largest tribe are mostly muslims.why would you even dare say that thr minority areas of southern kaduna is more populous than the zaria areas? Southern kaduna is the least most populous district in kaduna,you can check census data.again,a monogamous community can never be more populous than a polygamous one.
In summary,the main topic was about buhari being a religion in the north.buhari has always won kaduna and will still win it by a larger margin come 2019.i see him getting close to two million votes while pdp will not get up to 500,000.

senatordave1:

I like your analysis.they are on point.but i believe the muslims in kaduna state are slightly more than christians since most parts of kaduna central and kaduna north are muslim dominated.moreover,the hausa fulani the largest tribe are mostly muslims.why would you even dare say that thr minority areas of southern kaduna is more populous than the zaria areas? Southern kaduna is the least most populous district in kaduna,you can check census data.again,a monogamous community can never be more populous than a polygamous one.
In summary,the main topic was about buhari being a religion in the north.buhari has always won kaduna and will still win it by a larger margin come 2019.i see him getting close to two million votes while pdp will not get up to 500,000.

Nowenuse:



I never said that Southern kaduna is more populated than northern kaduna. I only said that in terms of indigenous population, Southern kaduna indigenes outnumber Zaria indigenes.

The major population of Kaduna north is centred in Zaria and a large portion of the population of Zaria are not indigenes of Zaria. Unlike a place like Kafanchan or other southern Kaduna areas that are mostly populated by indigenes.

Most parts of central kaduna are not muslim dominated. Chikun, Kajuru and Kaduna south are not muslim dominated and they are in Kaduna central.
In Kaduna north, Lere LGA has the largest tribe as Kurama and they are predominantly christians. There are also other tribes like Kahugu, Amo & Gure in that same LGA and they are all christians. Can you show me any LGA in Kaduna south that has more muslims? Hell no! There is none. Can you now see how the christians are more spread out than the muslims?

Yes, muslims could be more in Kaduna due to the higher immigration of muslims, but even if they are more, the margin would be very small.


Your issue of polygamous society does not apply in all cases. Rivers and Delta states are more populated than Zamfara and Jigawa states but the former are mostly monogamous states. The 2 most populous countries in the world are not predominantly polygamous.

Nowenuse:


Yes, Buhari may win Kaduna come 2019, but the margin will be small, just like in 2011 when Buhari got 1.3million votes in Kaduna and Goodluck got 1.2million votes.

It will never be like 2015 when so many southern kaduna people either voted for Buhari or stayed away from the elections due to disinterest.

senatordave1:

Oga,even in indigenous population,southern kaduna is less.most of them are christians with one wife while most zarians are polygamous muslims.again,there is a reason why there are minorities.again,zaria is now a city witj close to a milliom people so how do you expect the indigenes to outnumber the settlers? Where in the world do we have a city where the indigenous people are more? Almost everypart of southern kaduna is rural therefore it will not attract much settlers and kafanchan is still a developing town.just as there are several christians in northern kaduna,there are several muslims down south.rivers state cannot be used as an example because more than 50 percent of the population are non indigenes.it is the lagos of the south south.almost same applies in delta.use a state where majority of the people are indigenous to that state with low economic activities which would not attract much settlers like cross river,edo,ekiti,bayelsa,ondo,enugu,ebonyi which has same features like zamfara and jigawa.i dont understand your idea of southern kaduna,please explain more because i see southern kaduna as only te southern senatorial district and northern kaduna as northern senatorial zone while excluding the central area.the dominance of governorship seat by muslims also point to a slight muslim edge.i have not seen any state where a particular religion is dominant yet they dont dominate the guber seat.

senatordave1:

Oga,even in indigenous population,southern kaduna is less.most of them are christians with one wife while most zarians are polygamous muslims.again,there is a reason why there are minorities.again,zaria is now a city witj close to a milliom people so how do you expect the indigenes to outnumber the settlers? Where in the world do we have a city where the indigenous people are more? Almost everypart of southern kaduna is rural therefore it will not attract much settlers and kafanchan is still a developing town.just as there are several christians in northern kaduna,there are several muslims down south.rivers state cannot be used as an example because more than 50 percent of the population are non indigenes.it is the lagos of the south south.almost same applies in delta.use a state where majority of the people are indigenous to that state with low economic activities which would not attract much settlers like cross river,edo,ekiti,bayelsa,ondo,enugu,ebonyi which has same features like zamfara and jigawa.i dont understand your idea of southern kaduna,please explain more because i see southern kaduna as only te southern senatorial district and northern kaduna as northern senatorial zone while excluding the central area.the dominance of governorship seat by muslims also point to a slight muslim edge.i have not seen any state where a particular religion is dominant yet they dont dominate the guber seat.