LaaJiblik:



Again I ask;
If Mary had sex, and had other Children. Does it reduce the Lordship and Power if Jesus Christ as the Messiah?

AkunnaTochi:
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Jesus didn't get missing in a company of three. Mary and Joseph traveled in the company of their friends and relatives and so, it was natural for them to assume he was in their company. Company here isn't just Mary and Joseph.

Whether it reduces or adds to the power and lordship of Jesus or not, Mary's a perpetual virgin and had no biological children aside Jesus.

AkunnaTochi:


No. It doesn't.

And I ask;
If she didn't, does it affect your living?

AkunnaTochi:


No. It doesn't.

And I ask;
If she didn't, does it affect your living?

LaaJiblik:


Accept it; Mary WAS a Human Being.
Born of a sexual intercourse between her mum and Dad.
Mary bore Jesus.
Joseph married Mary.
Mary performed ALL the duties of a Jewish woman.
Joseph performed ALL the duties of a Jewish Man. including having legal sex with his wife
Mary bore other children to Joseph.

Jesus is the Messiah.

Syncan:


Pay no heed to them, they are protestants. They will rather, rant than be open to truth.


"Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut". Ezekiel.44:2

God has a way of doing things, God's children always recognize His handwork, Mary had no other children apart from Jesus. There is no where in the whole of scripture, where any other biological child of Mary was mentioned, yet the bible is filled with places where she was called the Mother of Jesus, here they are calling "Jesus brethren" children of Mary, and making fool of themselves.

Investnow2017:


Ok granted that she remained a virgin. But does that warrant worshipping her?

Syncan:


You see @ Investnow2017, I respect people and their beliefs, when I discuss religion, I discuss with a mind ready to acknowledge a superior argument. I don't just accuse people falsely or deride their beliefs with the wave of a hand; as I do not take anyone to be stupid at a glance. I am willing to discuss my faith at any time especially for the sake of those who seek knowledge. I don't argue because I love arguing.

LaaJiblik:


Accept it; Mary WAS a Human Being.
Born of a sexual intercourse between her mum and Dad.
Mary bore Jesus.
Joseph married Mary.
Mary performed ALL the duties of a Jewish woman.
Joseph performed ALL the duties of a Jewish Man. including having legal sex with his wife
Mary bore other children to Joseph.

Jesus is the Messiah.

Investnow2017:


I am indeed sorry I seem to irk you by my questions. But sincerely, do not doubt my amazement.

Error 1: Fallacy of assumption that the Son of Alpheus called James had no namesake called James in all of Israel during Jesus time.
Which is most likely impossible. [/color]

Yes. And they even introduced his mother and sisters as well.
Which means he also had sisters.
And they even implied that these people grew in their front.

This is where your assumption comes to Light
James the Son of Alpheus is a disciple of Jesus
Matthew was also the Son of Alpheus
So, James was most likely a brother of Matthew

[color=#770077]Sorry, this James Alpheus is not the same James the brother of Jesus
Why? Because James the brother of Jesus didnt believe Jesus when Jesus was alive, so he couldnt have been a disciple.

Read:
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John 7:5 says, "Even his own brothers did not believe in him."[/color][/color][/color]

Righly so.
because Alpheus was also the father of Matthew.
So it couldn't have been Joseph.

Which further means James Alpheus (disciple) is different from James brother of Jesus (who was an unbeliever during this period)


Another mixup
You replace Judas with Jude. Wrong
Matthew 10:3
List of disciples refers to this Judas as Lebbaeus the Son of Thaddeus.

So this Judas is obviously not a brother of Jesus
He was the son of Thaddeus
His other name was Lebbaeus

Another assumption you made here
Read the next verse. The Mary mentioned here is described further

[color=#770077]Mark 15:41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

So that Mary you just read, was Mary the mother of James and she came from Galilee, not nazareth.

And Galilee was the area Jesus recruited disciples from.


I quote

John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas , and Mary Magdalene .
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Its disgusting how these catholic apologists think.


In order to justify their SEXIST doctrines, they had to FIRST of all accord Mary a Divine status.

Isn't it an Irony that the catholic church revers a mortal WOMAN (Mary) this much; they realize how powerful God can be by using Women to achieve his most noble intentions for mankind. YET they denigrate WOMEN and confine them as second fiddle to men. So much that women cannot be ordained.

So, God can use Mary; but no other woman.

Syncan:






Accept it; Mary WAS a Human Being..............Agreed.
Born of a sexual intercourse between her mum and Dad......Agreed
Mary bore Jesus......................Agreed
Joseph married Mary...............Agreed.
Mary performed ALL the duties of a Jewish woman......As demanded by her husband
Joseph performed ALL the duties of a Jewish Man. including having legal sex with his wife ...That's what the Jews thought before Jesus was born, were they right?
Mary bore other children to Joseph.....Absolutely False, baseless.

Jesus is the Messiah.....Praise God.

Oma307:
she had other children

unchangeable:
prove your claim. Mention them. Pal

unchangeable:
prove your claim. Mention them. Pal

Syncan:


Speculation Galore!

1. "Mary had other children after giving birth to Jesus"
It is you who bring speculations in here. I make bold to say again, the bible NEVER MENTIONED ANY CHILDREN OF MARY APART FROM JESUS.
NEITHER DID THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE ABSENCE OF OTHER CHILDREN, DID IT?
All over Scripture you have Mary mother of Jesus, no where was it mentioned Mary mother of any other Person, if not, then show me.
DEPITE HAVING SEVEN OF US, EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD CALLS MY MOTHER "MAMA AMAKA" DOES THAT EXCLUDE THE FACT THAT SHE MY MUM HAD NO OTHER CHILDREN?
The brethren you erroneously hold to, I have shown you who their mother is, its not hidden, scripture made sure it was not hidden.

2. "Joseph had intercourse with Mary as his own wife after the birth of Jesus" (WHAT IS YOUR EXPLANATION HERE?)
Again you bring your speculations here again, i have shown how the word "Until" does not mean that the condition changed. "For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet" does not mean the reign of Jesus will end when the enemies are under His feet. 1corinthians 15:25

3. "Luke called Elizabeth cousin of Mary; that historian could have simply referred to Elizabeth as sister and yet he did not".
Here you try to insinuate that Luke only uses brethren for siblings of same womb, Isn't Luke the one who wrote the Acts of Apostles?
Now tell me if it was siblings of same womb with Peter he was talking about here. "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do"? Note that Same "Adelphos" was used in referring to the brethren of Jesus.

4. "They got on with the intention to consummate the marriage afterwards"
Food for thought on the relationship of Mary and Joseph. Why did Mary (a lady betrothed) say "How can this be, since I know no man" Lk.1:34, remember the angel used future tense in speaking to her, yet she asked that question.
(YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THE BIBLE PASSAGE WHICH EXPRESSLY STATED THAT JOSEPH DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH MARY FOR THE REMAINING PART OF THEIR LIVES)

Keep on speculating, don't focus on what has been revealed. My duty is to point it out to you.

MosesAlex:

felixomor:


Its quite straight forward.
The names of the disciples from Matthew and Luke resolves everything.

Judas Lebbaeus the son of Thaddeus is not the son of Joseph
He is not a brother of Jesus as you believe.

Its quite easy.

LaaJiblik:




WHAT IS YOUR PROOF THAT SHE HAD NO OTHER CHILDREN AFTER JESUS?

felixomor:


Its quite straight forward.
The names of the disciples from Matthew and Luke resolves everything.

Judas Lebbaeus the son of Thaddeus is not the son of Joseph
He is not a brother of Jesus as you believe.

Its quite easy.

MosesAlex:

Brother here means a relative. There are examples in the bible where relations are called brothers.
In Genesis 12:5, it says that Lot was Abraham's nephew, it also says it in Genesis 14:12. But in Genesis 14:14, it says that Lot is Abraham's brother. "And when Abram hear that his brother was taken captive....". It also says in Genesis 14:16 that Lot was his brother...
So when you say James is Jesus brother you are right but when you same from same parents that's not correct

LaaJiblik:


LETS ASSUME (WHILE NOT CONCEDING) THAT SHE HAD NO OTHER CHILDREN. ARE YOU SAYING JOSEPH BECAME A EUNUCH AFTER THE BIRTH OF JESUS? OR MAYBE JOSEPH AND MARY DID NOT REMAIN MARRIED THEREAFTER? OR MAYBE, JOSEPH BECAME IMPOTENT? OR PERHAPS MARY'S WOMB BECAME CLOSED, SO THAT ALL THE SUBSEQUENT SEXUAL INTERCOURSE BETWEEN HER AND HER HUSBAND JOSEPH DID NOT LEAD TO FERTILIZATION?

felixomor:

Genesis was written in Hebrew
Matthew and other gospels were written in Greek

Also, Jesus brothers didnt believe in him when he was on earth.
Its clearly written

Pls read more about Judas Lebbaeus here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_the_Apostle
Its even very clearon wikipedia.

MosesAlex:


@Felixomor Wikipedia is not quoted by academics. Why? Its because anybody can edit what you have in Wikipedia

MosesAlex:

LaaJiblik you can make you points with out been harsh or insulting anybody
Mt 19:22
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are somep eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

AkunnaTochi:


Prove how a man would keep a woman in his house for over nine months without touching her and how a woman is able to conceive without a man's help and you'll have your answers. It's quite simple, bro.

AkunnaTochi:

Virgin birth is not subject to debate but perpetual Virginity is? LOL. With due respect, brother, that sounded ridiculous.
I mean, how come you very easily believe that the blessed virgin Mary conceived our Lord without a man's help but doubt her perpetual virginity?

You want proof that a man (Joseph) never knew his wife? OK. But kindly prove how reproduction takes place without human effort.
Let's begin with these my dear PENTECOSTAL CATHOLIC.