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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Emeritus001(m): 7:35am On Dec 28, 2017
I pray this clueless government used this development judiciously....I hope this last longer because the era of rising and stable oil price is long over due.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by coolestchris(m): 7:35am On Dec 28, 2017
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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Nobody: 7:35am On Dec 28, 2017
Bede2u:
This topic should be screen grabbed. We shall use it to bury APC and Buhar in 2019 when that start complaining that low oil prices made them not to perform. They claim oil sold above $100 during GEJ regime, but they never say for how long it remained at that

Oil was above $100 under GEJ from 2011-14.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by EvilMetahuman: 7:45am On Dec 28, 2017
9jakohai:


Deregulation is the answer....

You want fuel at N87.....you find the billions of dollars needed to pay for subsidy.

APC has not handled the fuel crisis well....but when people like you protested against deregulation back in 2012...you destroyed our only good chance to solve this issue.
the one they deregulated for over 2 years now, what did they do with it?


we didnt trust jonthan with deregulation, we didnt allow him and voted him out. buhari just proved us right all along that the so called deregulation is a scam. we are back to where we started from. and you are here still talking about stupid deregulation that would amount to nothing.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by pointstores(m): 7:45am On Dec 28, 2017
Good one but it doesn't affect nigerians positively

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Rigel95(m): 7:46am On Dec 28, 2017
Despite all these am sure they will still blame GEJ when they eventually fail.

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by CallmeLucy(m): 7:54am On Dec 28, 2017
What does this mean to FX?
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Nobody: 7:57am On Dec 28, 2017
EvilMetahuman:
the one they deregulated for over 2 years now, what did they do with it?


we didnt trust jonthan with deregulation, we didnt allow him and voted him out. buhari just proved us right all along that the so called deregulation is a scam. we are back to where we started from. and you are here still talking about stupid deregulation that would amount to nothing.

1.GSM was deregulated from the word go....no price controls, nothing....and we went from N7000 Sim to N500 sim...because the GSM companies were allowed to make their profits freely....which freed them to pour in more money freely....

2.Subsidy itself costs a lot of money tpo sustain.

3.Oil subsidy is not sustainable....it does not let marketers and oil companies make enough profit to break even. That is why many workers in fuel stations across Nigeria get poor salaries.,....and why we don't have more investment in things like refineries as well....and why saboteurs divert fuel to other countries...which can be sold for a profit.

See the pictogram below...made when pms was at N87....and you will get it better.

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by spafu(m): 7:59am On Dec 28, 2017
Woe
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by macaphan007(m): 8:01am On Dec 28, 2017
landing cost for PMS will increase, expect increase in fuel price Nigerians.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Saintp(m): 8:03am On Dec 28, 2017
whether rise or fall, it is still useless to Nigeria. In fact, I see fuel rising to N300/ltr with this rise.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by spafu(m): 8:03am On Dec 28, 2017
EvilMetahuman:
the one they deregulated for over 2 years now, what did they do with it?


we didnt trust jonthan with deregulation, we didnt allow him and voted him out. buhari just proved us right all along that the so called deregulation is a scam. we are back to where we started from. and you are here still talking about stupid deregulation that would amount to nothing.
But you trusted Buhari with deregulation? You didn't trust a man that was more competent but you trusted one who didn't even have the capacity.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by macaphan007(m): 8:09am On Dec 28, 2017
9jakohai:


1.GSM was deregulated from the word go....no price controls, nothing....and we went from N7000 Sim to N500 sim...because the GSM companies were allowed to make their profits freely....which freed them to pour in more money freely....

2.Subsidy itself costs a lot of money tpo sustain.

3.Oil subsidy is not sustainable....it does not let marketers and oil companies make enough profit to break even. That is why many workers in fuel stations across Nigeria get poor salaries.,....and why we don't have more investment in things like refineries as well....and why saboteurs divert fuel to other countries...which can be sold for a profit.

See the pictogram below...made when pms was at N87....and you will get it better.
You are right,2012 would have been the best time to remove subsidy but because of lack of information and individual education by Nigerians on matters like this we are faced with the ugly scenario again,full deregulation is the only solution,the Senate should pass the PIB and allow more investment in the upstream sector.since Buhari once said subsidy is a scam,well Nigerians should be ready to pay more for PMS cos the landing cost will increase.if we allowed Jonathan then and the PIB was passed things would have been fair by now and Nigerians would have adjusted to the price.....it is well.

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Bede2u(m): 8:22am On Dec 28, 2017
9jakohai:


Oil was above $100 under GEJ from 2011-14.

Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by EvilMetahuman: 8:23am On Dec 28, 2017
spafu:

But you trusted Buhari with deregulation? You didn't trust a man that was more competent but you trusted one who didn't even have the capacity.
read the post again.

we gave buhari the benefit of he doubt, not trusted. And he has disappointed us.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by EvilMetahuman: 8:29am On Dec 28, 2017
9jakohai:


1.GSM was deregulated from the word go....no price controls, nothing....and we went from N7000 Sim to N500 sim...because the GSM companies were allowed to make their profits freely....which freed them to pour in more money freely....
wrong! There has always been a base price for the telecom operators. they cant go lower or above a certain amount based on current situation.
telecom operators cannot wake up one day and increase the price of data or calls without the support of ncc.

2.Subsidy itself costs a lot of money tpo sustain.

3.Oil subsidy is not sustainable....it does not let marketers and oil companies make enough profit to break even. That is why many workers in fuel stations across Nigeria get poor salaries.,....and why we don't have more investment in things like refineries as well....and why saboteurs divert fuel to other countries...which can be sold for a profit.
That's what they told us.
subsidy corruption is what makes it expensive and unsustainable which all politicians benefit from including buhari.

See the pictogram below...made when pms was at N87....and you will get it better.
this proves nothing.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Nobody: 8:42am On Dec 28, 2017
Bede2u:
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And in response...i give you OPEC figures...averages.

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Tecno66: 9:02am On Dec 28, 2017
When crude price rises, Nigeria gains but the people suffer because the price of pms and other petroleum products increase because the cost of the raw material has increased.
marryjesus:
Crude oil price has risen by $20 per barrel above Nigeria’s benchmark of N45 a barrel in the 2018 proposed yearly budget.In the proposed N8.6 trillion ‘Budget of Consolidation’ presented by President Muhammadu Buhari to the National Assembly for approval, crude oil benchmark price was put at an average of N45 per barrel, based on low benchmark price of $35, medium ($45) and high ($55) scenarios, while production was set at 2.3 million barrels per day.

At the close of Tuesday trading hour, global benchmark, Brent crude oil price was $65.25 a barrel, while the West Texas Intermediate (WTI) settle at $58.47 per barrel.What this means is that, at Nigeria’s production peg of 2.3 million proposed in the 2018 budget, the country will be making an excess crude oil earnings of $46 million per day (N16.5 billion), if crude oil price remain at $65 a barrel in 2018.

Brent crude oil has remained at above $60 a barrel level in the last few days, sparking talks that this could be the new floor under oil prices and that $70 a barrel oil in short term is now not only a producers’ wildest dreams, but a reality.This also shows that the crude oil production capping embarked upon by members and non-members of the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is yielding positive result.


For example, as of November 2017, the OPEC and participating non-OPEC producing countries achieved an impressive highest conformity level of 122 per cent, following the pattern of high performances in the past months.This, OPEC said is coupled with the aforementioned amendment of the Declaration of Cooperation, is an unequivocal demonstration of the steadfast commitment of participating countries to continue working towards the achievement of the goal of rebalancing the market and putting it on a sustainable stable footing.

According to OPEC, The Joint OPEC-Non-OPEC Ministerial Monitoring Committee (JMMC) expressed great satisfaction with the results and sustained level of high conformity with the voluntary production adjustments, and encouraged all participating countries to achieve full conformity for the benefit of producers and consumers alike.

The Minister of State for Petroleum Resources, Ibe Kachikwu, Nigeria was capable of meeting and exceeding the 2.3 million barrels per day crude oil production and oil revenue benchmarks in the proposed 2018 budget before the National Assembly for approval.“First, the 1.8 million barrels per day was not a cap fixed for Nigeria by OPEC, but an expectation,” he explained.

“Also, Nigeria’s oil output does not include condensate production of 350,000 barrels per day. So, between 1.8 million bpd and 350,000 bpd, we are doing 2.2 million barrels per day. We can produce more than the 1.8 million bpd if we have the capacity.”

Group General Manager, Corporate Planning and Strategy, Bala Wunti, said the current production capacity for the country was more than 2.3 million barrels per day, noting, however, that due to the insecurity in the Niger Delta region, the full production capacity has not been achieved over the years. “The 2018 crude oil national production projection for Joint Ventures, Modified Carry Arrangement or External Financing, Production Sharing Contracts, Independents, Marginal Fields and Service Contracts is about 2,298,000 barrels per day,” Wunti said.

He added that the 2018 price projection on the long term price assumption was based on price scenarios of $35 (low), $45 (medium) and $55 (high), stressing that most price forecasting agencies thought that the medium price scenario had the highest probability of occurrence which the 2018 budget was hinged upon. “Consequently, a conservative price projection of $45 per barrel was used as benchmark for crude price for 2018 budget,” Wunti stated.

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by mokset123: 9:03am On Dec 28, 2017
IMASTEX:
Well, I may not consider it a good news because it means more cash to be shared at the top. How on earth will a fisherman catch & sell his fresh fish for #10 per one. Then go back again to buy the same fish when dried at #100. When it will cost him nothing to get the fish dried himself in the fist place. This country is under a curse.
It will cost something that's why things have continued the way they are, because we aren't ready to tell ourselves the hard truth and do the needful, instead we look for cheaper alternatives that would take us no where

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by GavelSlam: 9:22am On Dec 28, 2017
9jakohai:
Bad news

1.We still need oil at $123 to balance the books.

2.We need to pay off debts incurred due to oil price crash PLUS the fact that we have not reached the minimum benchmark we need.

3.We need to diversify


You've been peddling these figures for a while without any references to back them up.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by GavelSlam: 9:23am On Dec 28, 2017
Bede2u:
This topic should be screen grabbed. We shall use it to bury APC and Buhar in 2019 when that start complaining that low oil prices made them not to perform. They claim oil sold above $100 during GEJ regime, but they never say for how long it remained at that

That was the average price over 4 years.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by GavelSlam: 9:29am On Dec 28, 2017
macaphan007:
You are right,2012 would have been the best time to remove subsidy but because of lack of information and individual education by Nigerians on matters like this we are faced with the ugly scenario again,full deregulation is the only solution,the Senate should pass the PIB and allow more investment in the upstream sector.since Buhari once said subsidy is a scam,well Nigerians should be ready to pay more for PMS cos the landing cost will increase.if we allowed Jonathan then and the PIB was passed things would have been fair by now and Nigerians would have adjusted to the price.....it is well.

No it wouldn't.

The best time to remove subsidy would be when you have local refining capacity viz private refineries competing with each other as against cost of import.

Should that be fixed, there would be an initial jump in price but eventually a flat line as it balances out.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Nobody: 9:40am On Dec 28, 2017
GavelSlam:


You've been peddling these figures for a while without any references to back them up.


I got the dollar figures from a Bloomberg report back in 2014....

The same report put it at $77 for Saudi Arabia, $99 for Russia.

Also, earlier this year, Fitch put it at $139 per barrel for Nigeria...so even i am being optimistic

Nigeria needs $139 oil price-vanguard
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by macaphan007(m): 9:43am On Dec 28, 2017
GavelSlam:


No it wouldn't.

The best time to remove subsidy would be when you have local refining capacity viz private refineries competing with each other as against cost of import.

Should that be fixed, there would be an initial jump in price but eventually a flat line as it balances out.
That's why I said the Senate should pass the PIB,my Boss has a client that has the license to build a 120bpd refinery and two modular refineries but cos of too many constraints its difficult for her to get foreign investors to partner her cos even her bank can provide a financial guarantee,13 companies have license to build refineries in Nigeria why is Dangote the only one the Govt is assisting?I agree with you but the PIB has to be passed to provide a level playing ground for all investors and the local communities where the raw material is gotten from.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Nobody: 9:44am On Dec 28, 2017
GavelSlam:


You've been peddling these figures for a while without any references to back them up.


Here is the Bloomberg report from April re $139

Kuwait’s in the best position of major oil exporting nations in the Middle East, Africa and parts of Europe to have a balanced government budget this year with oil forecast to average $52.50 a barrel, according to Fitch Ratings Ltd.

Nigeria is worst off, needing an oil price of $139 a barrel to balance its budget, Fitch said in a April 5 report on 14 major oil exporting nations in the Middle East, Africa and emerging Europe. Even after cuts in government subsidies and currency devaluations, 11 of them won’t have balanced government budgets this year, including Saudi Arabia, it said.

“Fiscal reforms and exchange rate adjustments are generally supporting improved fiscal positions compared to 2015, but have not prevented erosion of sovereign creditworthiness,” Fitch said.

Only Kuwait, Qatar and the Republic of Congo have estimated break-evens that are below Fitch’s oil price forecast for this year. Kuwait at $45 a barrel traditionally has a low break-even because of its high per-capita hydrocarbon production and more recently its “large estimated investment income” from its sovereign wealth fund, Fitch said.

Brent crude, a global benchmark, has averaged about $55 a barrel this year.

The rating agency said it “substantially” raised the fiscal break-even prices for Nigeria, Angola and Gabon from 2015 levels because of rising government spending.

Fitch’s forecast 2017 break-even oil prices, per barrel:
Nigeria at $139
Bahrain at $84
Angola at $82
Oman at $75
Saudi Arabia at $74
Russia at $72
Kazakhstan at $71
Gabon at $66
Azerbaijan at $66
Iraq at $61
Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, at $60
Republic of Congo at $52
Qatar at $51
Kuwait at $45


Sauce

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by GavelSlam: 9:44am On Dec 28, 2017
9jakohai:


I got the dollar figures from a Bloomberg report back in 2014....

The same report put it at $77 for Saudi Arabia, $99 for Russia.

Also, earlier this year, Fitch put it at $139 per barrel for Nigeria...so even i am being optimistic

Nigeria needs $139 oil price-vanguard


Please provide the Bloomberg and Fitch links.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Nobody: 9:45am On Dec 28, 2017
GavelSlam:


Please provide the Bloomberg and Fitch links.

Have done that earlier.....see my second mention.

The bloomberg report makes for some very interesting reading.

Just in case you missed it....The Bloomberg report

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by GavelSlam: 9:54am On Dec 28, 2017
macaphan007:
That's why I said the Senate should pass the PIB,my Boss has a client that has the license to build a 120bpd refinery and two modular refineries but cos of too many constraints its difficult for her to get foreign investors to partner her cos even her bank can provide a financial guarantee,13 companies have license to build refineries in Nigeria why is Dangote the only one the Govt is assisting?I agree with you but the PIB has to be passed to provide a level playing ground for all investors and the local communities where the raw material is gotten from.

Government did not support Dangote before he put his money where his mouth is.

After aqcuisition of land, collaboration with banks and producers, only then government can assist, by providing tax and tarrif breaks in addition to discounts on forex.

Until these parameters are met government would only withold the limited funds crying for various alternative uses.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by GavelSlam: 9:55am On Dec 28, 2017
9jakohai:


Have done that earlier.....see my second mention.

The bloomberg report makes for some very interesting reading.

Just in case you missed it....The Bloomberg report

You do know this has to do with budget balancing and not cost of production.
Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Nobody: 10:00am On Dec 28, 2017
GavelSlam:


You do know this has to do with budget balancing and not cost of production.

But of course....which is what the original post of mine you responded to first was referring to.

When oil prices go up, Nigerians somehow expect increased cash to fund everything...when the cold reality is that the cash is not enough....and the looting makes it more painful.

We need to get off oil dependency. And...this is why, harking somewhat to the 'cost of production', we need to also realise that we cannot fund subsidies adequately.

It is an argument i don't like making...but it is the cold fact. We are not a rich nation. Rich nations have more than one revenue source, and it isn't hawking raw materials

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by GavelSlam: 10:12am On Dec 28, 2017
9jakohai:


But of course....which is what the original post of mine you responded to first was referring to.

When oil prices go up, Nigerians somehow expect increased cash to fund everything...when the cold reality is that the cash is not enough....and the looting makes it more painful.

We need to get off oil dependency. And...this is why, harking somewhat to the 'cost of production', we need to also realise that we cannot fund subsidies adequately.

It is an argument i don't like making...but it is the cold fact. We are not a rich nation. Rich nations have more than one revenue source, and it isn't hawking raw materials

I've always maintained we are not a rich nation.

Heck Apple alone makes more money than us.

For me, it is imperative we get power to work. Should that be achieved, we might experience a slight increase in production of finished goods in the short term and a whole swathe of manufacturing entrants in the medium to long term.

Hopefully we might also get the younger ones to embrace info tech.

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Re: Oil Price Inches Towards $70, 44% Above Benchmark by Nobody: 10:13am On Dec 28, 2017
Try and be useful to your immediate family...

...leave Nigerians to decide on his performance

Millz404:
Even if it is $200, buhari will not still perform.
He is that useless to Nigeria

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