kill probability etc given by OEM r calculated under test conditions , in real world one will get surprised more often if one decides to take the same as the gospel truth

every weapon system has counters (which again has counters and again.............so forth , actually it is a game of ringa ringa roses ), it depends on activating the right one at the right time at the right place .

eg. laser guided systems can be defeated by laser beam dispersing aerosol mists

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barineh:
I hope we reserve engineer all those weapons we're getting.

do u know Americans will be paying periodic visits to ensure that u dont even unscrew one nut

its part of every arms sales agreement the Americans make with other countries , but nevertheless it is prudent to assume that there r ways to hoodwink them

u and i could try , provided i get to carry off one

tdayof:
JF 17 block 3 now in preliminary stage since October.

in the pic i dont see any .....

where r the co-developers ?

that is a serious technical level question

Somalia regains control of its airspace 27 years later.

MOGADISHU, Dec. 28 (Xinhua) -- The Somali government on Thursday announced that it has officially regained control and management of its airspace after 27 years being run by the United Nations International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) regional office in Nairobi. Somali President Mohamed Abdulahi Farmajo officially inaugurated the offices and equipment installed at Mogadishu International Airport on Thursday and said that the move represents a significant step towards the development of the country. "It is a great honor for us to witness this historic day that we retake control and management of our airspace. This did not come simply and luckily, but through hard work," Farmajo said. He thanked the officials of the Ministry of Transport and Civil Aviation for their efforts as well as ICAO which has been running the airport. He added that taking over the running of Somalia's airspace is part of his government's commitment to restore important public services. Somali Minister of Transport and Civil Aviation, Mohamed Abdulahi Salad, said that all equipment for the control of the airspace is ready and secure with its staff who are currently based in Kenya's capital city of Nairobi. Salad thanked all those who have played a role in the return of Somalia's airspace control back to local oversight. He added that the government has also reestablished direct flights between Mogadishu and Nairobi, which previously required a stopover in Wajir in North East Kenya for security reasons.

nemesis4u:


in the pic i dont see any .....

where r the co-developers ?

that is a serious technical level question

This bad guy sha

nemesis4u:




do u know Americans will be paying periodic visits to ensure that u dont even unscrew one nut

its part of every arms sales agreement the Americans make with other countries , but nevertheless it is prudent to assume that there r ways to hoodwink them

u and i could try , provided i get to carry off one

tdayof:
JF 17 block 3 now in preliminary stage since October.

Jf17 is not a good plane. It's an average plane. That's why Pakistan is still buying J10 and F16. With our neighbors having Mig29, Su30 and Su35 I don't think Jf17 is good enough to be our frontline fighter. We should buy a fighter that we won't have to replace in at least 2 decades. Jf17 is 4,4+ at best we should buy a 4++. I prefer the Fa50 to Jf17. We should look at J10c, Su35, Mig35, or Su30.

nemesis4u:




do u know Americans will be paying periodic visits to ensure that u dont even unscrew one nut

its part of every arms sales agreement the Americans make with other countries , but nevertheless it is prudent to assume that there r ways to hoodwink them

u and i could try , provided i get to carry off one

There we go. People from Mars are already showing interest in the CLASSIFIED weapons. I guess we will have to guard them 24/7 with mean looking guys when they finally arrive.

nemesis4u:


in the pic i dont see any .....

where r the co-developers ?

that is a serious technical level question

The Chinese have co-developers on grandson of Mig-21?

Xbee007:


There we go. People from Mars are already showing interest in the CLASSIFIED weapons. I guess we will have to guard them 24/7 with mean looking guys when they finally arrive.

i hope it includes pretty lady guards , i get myself a wife/wifes and classified weapons as dowry

dont worry i will invite u guys to the marriage before i vanish with the wife/wifes and their classified dowry/dowries

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frumentius:


The Chinese have co-developers on grandson of Mig-21?

what the chinese gained from this collaboration was valuable insight with regard to western maintenance methodologies / tactics evolution / training / functional aspects related to cockpit operations etc

all these came from the F16 experience gained by ..... from NATO and US exercise/training programs.

barineh:



Jf17 is not a good plane. It's an average plane. That's why Pakistan is still buying J10 and F16. With our neighbors having Mig29, Su30 and Su35 I don't think Jf17 is good enough to be our frontline fighter. We should buy a fighter that we won't have to replace in at least 2 decades. Jf17 is 4,4+ at best we should buy a 4++. I prefer the Fa50 to Jf17. We should look at J10c, Su35, Mig35, or Su30.

JF 17 is not a good plane?. That is Indian mis information spread with typical Indian industry on the entire Internet.
This JF 17 is already flying with very few accidents. This JF17 is going to have AESA radar. This JF has comprehensive counter measure suite. This JF 17 does what most F16 versions can do for half the cost. Meanwhile you are comparing JF17 against "fly one hour and shutdown ten hours" Russian planes and a "cut and join" Chinese J10 that does not even scare SE Asian countries.
J10 has not dropped a bomb or fired a missile in anger since it was developed. SU 34 and MIG 3x missed targets against ISIS many times on live TV in Syria. ISIS was beaten in Syria not from the air by Russian jets. ISIS was beaten by ground based Spetnatz Special forces, hardcore Iranian Revolutionary guards, hatefully fanatical Shia militants and Syrian Army soldiers whose toughness and skills are always under estimated.

barineh:



Jf17 is not a good plane. It's an average plane. That's why Pakistan is still buying J10 and F16. With our neighbors having Mig29, Su30 and Su35 I don't think Jf17 is good enough to be our frontline fighter. We should buy a fighter that we won't have to replace in at least 2 decades. Jf17 is 4,4+ at best we should buy a 4++. I prefer the Fa50 to Jf17. We should look at J10c, Su35, Mig35, or Su30.

Jf17 is not a good place why because Pakistan is still buying j10 and f16.


So that's why?

Instead of wasting time to tackle your reasons, I think you should know Pakistan cancelled the J-10 orders for JF17 block 3 and the country does not have any order for f16.


If you couldn't get the above right then it's obvious why your reasons sounds unrealistic.

Adminisher:


JF 17 is not a good plane?. That is Indian mis information spread with typical Indian industry on the entire Internet.
This JF 17 is already flying with very few accidents. This JF17 is going to have AESA radar. This JF has comprehensive counter measure suite. This JF 17 does what most F16 versions can do for half the cost. Meanwhile you are comparing JF17 against "fly one hour and shutdown ten hours" Russian planes and a "cut and join" Chinese J10 that does not even scare SE Asian countries.

The j10 has a short range and combat radius. The JF17 still remains a good fighter among her peers.

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PIC3: Elbit GATR;

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PIC6: BAE APKWS.

tdayof:


Jf17 is not a good place why because Pakistan is still buying j10 and f16.


So that's why?

Instead of wasting time to tackle your reasons, I think you should know Pakistan cancelled the J-10 orders for JF17 block 3 and the country does not have any order for f16.


If you couldn't get the above right then it's obvious why your reasons sounds unrealistic.

He even prefers Samsung/Hyundai FA50 to JF 17. Na wa.

Adminisher:


JF 17 is not a good plane?. That is Indian mis information spread with typical Indian industry on the entire Internet.
This JF 17 is already flying with very few accidents. This JF17 is going to have AESA radar. This JF has comprehensive counter measure suite. This JF 17 does what most F16 versions can do for half the cost. Meanwhile you are comparing JF17 against "fly one hour and shutdown ten hours" Russian planes and a "cut and join" Chinese J10 that does not even scare SE Asian countries.
J10 has not dropped a bomb or fired a missile in anger since it was developed. SU 35 and MIG 35 missed targets against ISIS many times on live TV in Syria. ISIS was beaten in Syria not from the air by Russian jets. ISIS was beaten by ground based Spetnatz Special forces, hardcore Iranian Revolutionary guards, hatefully fanatical Shia militants and Syrian Army soldiers whose toughness and skills are always under estimated.

typical seriously ?

fanboy internet bickering happens from both sides so pointless to drag nations into this .

from what u wrote , i hope u reread what u wrote

" Meanwhile you are comparing JF17 against "fly one hour and shutdown ten hours" Russian planes and a "cut and join" Chinese J10 that does not even scare SE Asian countries. "

in light of what u wrote pray tell me this

doesn't the use of Russian engines in FC1 also translate to "fly one hour and shutdown ten hours" .u said it not me

why did the PLAAF induct the more expensive "cut and join" J10 but not the Chinese FC1, r they so foolish or dont know something which u know. they r only the designers of FC1 and J10 aren't they ?

in my world we r taught to respect every weapon system we might face , fear their strengths and exploit their weakness .

only a foolish person or somebody whose life will never be at risk will badmouth a weapon system from any country.

as i always say every weapon has its strength and its weakness

and also note that till date i have never bad mouthed any weapon from any country

FYI FC1 role in .... is that of a work horse they r meant to fill in the falling numbers , ie replace the mirages/f-7 etc

why do u think they have so many AWACS/AEW platforms ?

one probable hypothesis is the aircraft's will not risk getting into a merge , they will engage their targets at BVR ranges via targeting cues provided by the AWACS/AEW platforms.

this is from the SAsia perspective

in African scenario it will depend on the how the operator see their threats and designates roles inorder to neutralize those threats .

lastly their premier fighter till date is F16 , when the block 3 comes out the role might change . that is the ultimate intend of as of now.

tdayof:


Jf17 is not a good place why because Pakistan is still buying j10 and f16.


So that's why?

Instead of wasting time to tackle your reasons, I think you should know Pakistan cancelled the J-10 orders for JF17 block 3 and the country does not have any order for f16.


If you couldn't get the above right then it's obvious why your reasons sounds unrealistic.

the real reason is

Americans cut off the sale of F16 , they did not subsidize the last sale of 10 f16 , and the ....... did not have the funds so it was cancelled.

J10 sale has not be cleared for export till date plus it is a single engine jet same as FC1 so why get another SE jet ?

............... r now negotiating for twin engined J31 - another joint development like FC1

nemesis4u:


typical seriously ?

fanboy internet bickering happens from both sides so pointless to drag nations into this .

from what u wrote , i hope u reread what u wrote

" Meanwhile you are comparing JF17 against "fly one hour and shutdown ten hours" Russian planes and a "cut and join" Chinese J10 that does not even scare SE Asian countries. "

in light of what u wrote pray tell me this

doesn't the use of Russian engines in FC1 also translate to "fly one hour and shutdown ten hours" .u said it not me

why did the PLAAF induct the more expensive "cut and join" J10 but not the Chinese FC1, r they so foolish or dont know something which u know.

in my world we r taught to respect every weapon system we might face , fear their strengths and exploit their weakness .

only a foolish person or somebody whose life will never be at risk will badmouth a weapon system from any country as i always say every weapon has its strength and its weakness .

I'll just go ahead and assume you're being rhetorical and not expecting rational argument on here.

Adminisher:


JF 17 is not a good plane?. That is Indian mis information spread with typical Indian industry on the entire Internet.
This JF 17 is already flying with very few accidents. This JF17 is going to have AESA radar. This JF has comprehensive counter measure suite. This JF 17 does what most F16 versions can do for half the cost. Meanwhile you are comparing JF17 against "fly one hour and shutdown ten hours" Russian planes and a "cut and join" Chinese J10 that does not even scare SE Asian countries.
J10 has not dropped a bomb or fired a missile in anger since it was developed. SU 34 and MIG 3x missed targets against ISIS many times on live TV in Syria. ISIS was beaten in Syria not from the air by Russian jets. ISIS was beaten by ground based Spetnatz Special forces, hardcore Iranian Revolutionary guards, hatefully fanatical Shia militants and Syrian Army soldiers whose toughness and skills are always under estimated.

Air power is very important in 21st century warfare. During the Russian campaign in Syria they used mostly unguided weapons and clustered ammunition. Secondly every one knows that Russian Air power rescued Syria from Isis. Thirdly we're not getting the block 3. F16 is combat proven the J10 is the Israeli Lavi project a variation of the F16. Jf17 has only shot an Iranian drone. Indian misinformation?
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/need-cheap-fighter-aircraft-the-jf-17-might-work-14336. The National interest is reputable and is not an Indian site.

tdayof:


The j10 has a short range and combat radius. The JF17 still remains a good fighter among her peers.

Name some Fighters the Jf17 is better than?

tdayof:


Jf17 is not a good place why because Pakistan is still buying j10 and f16.


So that's why?

Instead of wasting time to tackle your reasons, I think you should know Pakistan cancelled the J-10 orders for JF17 block 3 and the country does not have any order for f16.


If you couldn't get the above right then it's obvious why your reasons sounds unrealistic.

They tried to get some F16 but the US refused to subside it. https://thediplomat.com/2016/03/pakistan-wants-10-more-f-16s-or-does-it-want-russian-su-35s/

nemesis4u:


the real reason is

Americans cut off the sale of F16 , they did not subsidize the last sale of 10 f16 , and the ....... did not have the funds so it was cancelled.

J10 sale has not be cleared for export till date plus it is a single engine jet same as FC1 so why get another SE jet ?

............... r now negotiating for twin engined J31 - another joint development like FC1

China and Pakistan trade will never be like china and any other nation.

China was willing to sell to Pakistan. Maybe not cleared to export to any other nation. China offered J10B to Pakistan and a deal was signed which ended up being cancelled in favour of the JF17 block 3. Reason why it was cancelled has nothing to do with being a single engine.

barineh:


They tried to get some F16 but the US refused to subside it. https://thediplomat.com/2016/03/pakistan-wants-10-more-f-16s-or-does-it-want-russian-su-35s/

Getting f16 doesn't mean the jf17 isn't good. Egypt operates F16, Rafale, Mig 35 etc.

It's your choice plus they have a huge other for their own JF17.

barineh:


Name some Fighters the Jf17 is better than?

Name some things that makes the jf17 inferior to others. At least let us be on the technical aspect.

In your comparison, kindly make use of the block 2 and 3 variants.

barineh:


Air power is very important in 21st century warfare. During the Russian campaign in Syria they used mostly unguided weapons and clustered ammunition. Secondly every one knows that Russian Air power rescued Syria from Isis. Thirdly we're not getting the block 3. F16 is combat proven the J10 is the Israeli Lavi project a variation of the F16. Jf17 has only shot an Iranian drone. Indian misinformation?
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/need-cheap-fighter-aircraft-the-jf-17-might-work-14336. The National interest is reputable and is not an Indian site.

all these sites dont mean anything

firstly one must take ownership of ones weapon system ,u bought a system u got to stick with it and make it count.

secondly every weapon has its strengths and weakness

finally it depends on the end user on how it exploits a weapon system to its advantage

so no point in comparison becz nobody here or anywhere will get it correct .

sir no offence but its meaningless to compare complex weapons like aircraft's

better analyze the weapon system standalone .

tdayof:



Getting f16 doesn't mean the jf17 isn't good. Egypt operates F16, Rafale, Mig 35 etc.

It's your choice plus they have a huge other for their own JF17.

F16, Rafale and the Mig 35 serve different roles.

We'd have a similar set in many African air forces if we had the funds.

MikeCZA:
F16, Rafale and the Mig 35 serve different roles.

We'd have a similar set in many African air forces if we had the funds.

F16 and Rafale will perform same task well. Yes, that's my point exactly funds.

Pakistan has the money to spend just like her best friend India with various jets. Once you have the money, you'll play the game well.

Nemesis4u,

tdayof:


China and Pakistan trade will never be like china and any other nation.

China was willing to sell to Pakistan. Maybe not cleared to export to any other nation. China offered J10B to Pakistan and a deal was signed which ended up being cancelled in favour of the JF17 block 3. Reason why it was cancelled has nothing to do with being a single engine.

ur sources for the above ? its new to me

AFAIK block 3 was always on the anvil years back , what was new was coming around of the 2 seater courtesy of the Burmese requirement.

anyways there r no friends among nations only opportunities

nemesis4u:


ur sources for the above ? its new to me

AFAIK block 3 was always on the anvil years back , what was new was coming around of the 2 seater courtesy of the Burmese requirement.

anyways there r no friends among nations only opportunities

Once there's opportunity there's friendship. Maybe we can find some between nigeria and India at least there's something similar between the two nation ( voodoo and witchcrafts) then we can get some free flankers from you.