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Ben Simmons is absolutely eligible for the rookie of the year award.


When Tatum was not balling at the beginning of the season,you people did not think these thoughts.


Now Tatum is balling and we are hearing a different story....LOOOOOLLL.


Una never hala.



Ben Simmons is a rookie.



Thank God we have Blake Griffin as an example.



#IStandWithBenSimmons.

I saw Rockets blowing Celtics out and I went to sleep. Not knowing Kyrie and co had other plans. This type of choking is inexplicable.

Anyways, the latest talk now is OKC are the team that matches up better with GSW - no longer Rockets. Let us be watching na.

I reckon it won't be long before we start hurting parity in the league again.

DevdanSanguine:
Yeah. He has a great coach at a talented young team and he seems to have formed a bond with kyrie who also went to duke. He's definitely on the right track. Haven't seen Markelle Fultz yet so I won't call him the best player from his draft school yet but right now it's a tossup between him and Mitchell.

I'm starting to see the sense in people who don't count Ben Simmons as a rookie. It truly isn't fair to the true rookies like Tatum out there.

Good coaching is very imperative for rookie players especially talented players. While Tatum was in college (Duke), he was not particularly renowned for his 3 point shooting or his intense defense. However, like you mentioned Brad and the coaching staff like assistant coaches Jamie Young and Walter McCarthy have been on him all season, helping him believe in expanding his range beyond jump shooting and so far it is working. He is a very humble and patient kid who takes responsibilities for his mistakes. I watched some of our practice sessions online and you can see him going back to mistakes from the previous game.

I like Fultz but compared to Mitchell and Tatum his upside is lower, however, like you said, we have not really seen him play. I hope he recovers fully and is able to have a healthy season going forward.

aliondo:
I think that's what they did against us too.

The only excuse for such strategy may be the absence of CP3 because I can see CP3 also demanding the ball and Harden trusting CP3 with the ball during those final minutes.

Other than that, they are not winning the western conference with such strategy. Teams don't necessarily have to double Harden in such scenarios, just place your best defender on him and have a weak side cover around the basket and you may stop him.

Eruditor:
I saw Rockets blowing Celtics out and I went to sleep. Not knowing Kyrie and co had other plans. This type of choking is inexplicable.

Anyways, the latest talk now is OKC are the team that matches up better with GSW - nolonger Rockets. Let us be watching na.

I reckon it won't be long before we start hurting parity in the league again.

. Our premier point guard and rim protector didn't play last night not any excuse but at some point we managed to hold a lead by 26 without em not until d final quarter were some reckless decisions were made from our side and refs.the first call was clearly a flop by smart however,props up to smart for forcing d best ISO player in the league to shoot 25% from d field.harden lost dis one for us.but comparing Houston to okc is just off.Houston is ranked 2nd and 3rd in offense and defense in the league,miles ahead of okc
Look up the stats bro numbers don't lie.in a best of 7 series okc don't stand a chance not with their poor shooting percentage and irregular system coordination.a loss should bring up such conclusions considering d fact DAT our squad was short of its alphas.

rotimi9:
. Our premier point guard and rim protector didn't play last night not any excuse but at some point we managed to hold a lead by 26 without em not until d final quarter were some reckless decisions were made from our side and refs.the first call was clearly a flop by smart however,props up to smart for forcing d best ISO player in the league to shoot 25% from d field.harden lost dis one for us.but comparing Houston to okc is just off.Houston is ranked 2nd and 3rd in offense and defense in the league,miles ahead of okc
Look up the stats bro numbers don't lie.in a best of 7 series okc don't stand a chance not with their poor shooting percentage and irregular system coordination.a loss should bring up such conclusions considering d fact DAT our squad was short of its alphas.

hmmm...

rotimi9:
Our premier point guard and rim protector didn't play last night not any excuse but at some point we managed to hold a lead by 26 without em not until d final quarter were some reckless decisions were made from our side and refs.the first call was clearly a flop by smart however,props up to smart for forcing d best ISO player in the league to shoot 25% from d field.harden lost dis one for us.but comparing Houston to okc is just off.Houston is ranked 2nd and 3rd in offense and defense in the league,miles ahead of okc
Look up the stats bro numbers don't lie.in a best of 7 series okc don't stand a chance not with their poor shooting percentage and irregular system coordination.a loss should bring up such conclusions considering d fact DAT our squad was short of its alphas.

You forgot Mbah. Those are your 3 best defenders missing last night but they weren't responsible for a team choking a 26 point lead. They weren't responsible for the 6th man airballing 3s in the 4th neither were they responsible for Harden shooting a half court 3 with enough time on the shot clock in the last 2 minutes of a game. They weren't responsible for Harden shoving Smart or his 8TOs.

Don't blame Smart, he learnt flopping from who he's guarding.

And have you watched OKC these last 6 games? I don't want to say anything cos they're terribly inconsistent but if they remain so, the whole Western conference should be at alert.

Abeg, abeg you guys should leave Ben Simmons. Hin no play last season so he's qualified.

NBA can modify their rules next season when it's not late. But for now, Simmons na rookie regardless of whether he bench pressed 150lbs with LeBron.

Another rookie being slept on.






Frank Ntilikina.

Decale:
Abeg, abeg you guys should leave Ben Simmons. Hin no play last season so he's qualified.

NBA can modify their rules next season when it's not late. But for now, Simmons na rookie regardless of whether he bench pressed 150lbs with LeBron.

My previous comments prove Ben Simmons is my favorite freshman not just personally but in terms of how he plays. I'm just saying players like him who have had a year to gel with a team and develop at least a bit of chemistry with their team have an unfair advantage though its not through any fault of their own. That's why they tend to perform extremely better than other freshmen, case and point Blake Griffin before him who was one of the greatest if not the greatest "rookie" in recent times.

I never said he's not qualified or shouldnt be. I'm just saying I can understand the grievance of those who don't think players like him should be counted as rookies and you'd be blind not to agree.

DevdanSanguine:
My previous comments prove Ben Simmons is my favorite freshman not just personally but in terms of how he plays. I'm just saying players like him who have had a year to gel with a team and develop at least a bit of chemistry with their team have an unfair advantage though its not through any fault of their own. That's why they tend to perform extremely better than other freshmen, case and point Blake Griffin before him who was one of the greatest if not the greatest "rookie" in recent times.

I never said he's not qualified or shouldnt be. I'm just saying I can understand the grievance of those who don't think players like him should be counted as rookies and you'd be blind not to agree.

Nerlens Noel, Julius Randle and to a certain extent Greg Oden also missed their rookie seasons. Were they significantly better than the next year rookies? Did the chemistry off court play a crucial part?

Griffin, Ben Simmons were first overall picks. You can agree many of those picks are the best in their draft class.

Offcourt tactics, training are very different from in court play. You still haven't played your first game and how you'll approach your first game in the NBA varies with these rookies. You should know this

Some of these rookies trained with certain teams during the off season prior to the draft. That's chemistry enough
All the rookies had a chance to play in the pre season with NBA players. That's tactical enough.

An injured player going through rehab with a team shouldn't offer a hefty advantage over other healthy rookies that had months to train with their respective teams too.

And you made the most important point: Injury was not their fault. So, no matter how Webber wants to print his comments, 82 games is a long way for rookies to delete that "advantage".

Cheers...

This Rockets/Celtics L2M be like handout

Decale:
Nerlens Noel, Julius Randle and to a certain extent Greg Oden also missed their rookie seasons. Were they significantly better than the next year rookies? Did the chemistry off court play a crucial part?

The advantage is there, whether or not a player is good enough to capitalize on it is another issue. Look at the players you mentioned, where are they today?

Griffin, Ben Simmons were first overall picks. You can agree many of those picks are the best in their draft class.

Pit them against the first picks of the year they were listed as rookies. Pit blake griffin against john wall today, john wall is a better player. Griffin won rookie of the year because he had an advantage. Fast forward today and look at their ceilings, blake griffin is not better than john wall.

Offcourt tactics, training are very different from in court play. You still haven't played your first game and how you'll approach your first game in the NBA varies with these rookies. You should know this

I disagree. You get to see and learn how your teammates play and the sort of plays that you run and develop a rapport with your team mates, getting comfortable with them and the level of play for a whole year, thats an advantage. Furthermore you get to watch and train with NBA players not the college players youre used to like most rookies in their first year.

Some of these rookies trained with certain teams during the off season prior to the draft. That's chemistry enough
All the rookies had a chance to play in the pre season with NBA players. That's tactical enough.

Compare a year to a few months. Why do you think most players get better with time? It takes time to develop, again, one year compared to a few months? stop being biased.

An injured player going through rehab with a team shouldn't offer a hefty advantage over other healthy rookies that had months to train with their respective teams too.

And you made the most important point: Injury was not their fault. So, no matter how Webber wants to print his comments, 82 games is a long way for rookies to delete that "advantage".

Cheers...

You dont just learn by playing. Besides, most of these players arent injured throughout the year. The size of the advantage shouldnt be the debate but the fact that there is an advantage no matter how little you may think it is. This advantage makes it unfair for other rookies.

This is a very basic and straight forward concept as far as i'm concerned. Except you're arguing for the sake of it.

DevdanSanguine:
The advantage is there, whether or not a player is good enough to capitalize on it is another issue. Look at the players you mentioned, where are they today?

You're buttressing my point here. Most of these players that missed their rookie seasons were average in the returning years. This makes the advantage you're talking more faint than ever.

Pit them against the first picks of the year they were listed as rookies. Pit blake griffin against john wall today, john wall is a better player. Griffin won rookie of the year because he had an advantage. Fast forward today and look at their ceilings, blake griffin is not better than john wall.

Lol. You're using one player to prove your point, most especially one that's been injured at critical moments in his career. John Wall simply improved, took time too, as well as other players which is normal and not a factor of your rookie year. I can point out players who missed their rookie years that got outplayed by the next year rookies too, over time. That'll make this point moot

I disagree. You get to see and learn how your teammates play and the sort of plays that you run and develop a rapport with your team mates, getting comfortable with them and the level of play for a whole year, thats an advantage. Furthermore you get to watch and train with NBA players not the college players youre used to like most rookies in their first year.

And like I said, you spend most of that year in rehab, working on that injured area. Not a whole damn year training with teammates.


Lol. Who's Ben Simmons gaining experience and plays from? Covington, Saric? Tatum, Mitchell and Dennis Smith Jr have a far experienced team to get more comfortable and improve their level of plays.

Some of these rookies have tactical plays built around them by his coaches/teammates. Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen are the primary scorers for their teams and leadership is far more expected. They also get well experienced NBA players getting you the ball and not rookies. As far as this goes, they have their paths easier.

Compare a year to a few months. Why do you think most players get better with time? It takes time to develop, again, one year compared to a few months? stop being biased.

You don't get better with time while you're in rehab, certainly not when you're off court. You get better when you play 82 games on the court, same chance as the other rookie.

These same rookies get better on a different team and coach. If you're good, you're good. Forget all these rapport and teammates' high fives.

You dont just learn by playing

This is the only point I can agree to. Your environment helps. However, it hasn't made Simmons stand out as you put it. He doesn't lead in some categories and he sits outside the top 8. This advantage wasn't capitalized as you said by most injured rookies
So, how is the advantage significant enough for people to understand Webber's point?

Decale:
You're buttressing my point here. Most of these players that missed their rookie seasons were average in the returning years. This makes the advantage you're talking more faint than ever.

No, my point is these players ceiling was and always will be average so their comparison with premier players is useless. Given two future stars, the one with a years advantage will always outplay the other.

Lol. You're using one player to prove your point, most especially one that's been injured at critical moments in his career. John Wall simply improved, took time too, as well as other players which is normal and not a factor of your rookie year. I can point out players who missed their rookie years that got outplayed by the next year rookies too, over time. That'll make this point moot

Because this is the only referable recent case. The other is ben simmons and markelle fultz and regardless of whether the latter was healthy or not there is no way he would outplay simmons partly due to this advantage. As to who will be better in the long run, that remains to be seen so i cant use them as an example.

Give me just one example of a current NBA star who missed his first year and got outplayed in his rookie season by a player currently inferior to him. Just one!

And like I said, you spend most of that year in rehab, working on that injured area. Not a whole damn year training with teammates.


Lol. Who's Ben Simmons gaining experience and plays from? Covington, Saric? Tatum, Mitchell and Dennis Smith Jr have a far experienced team to get more comfortable and improve their level of plays.

First of all are corvington and saric not NBA players? And yet they dont have as much time to soak in as much as ben simmons will. Lets not forget saric and corvington (who besides your condescending tone towards them are established NBA players) simmons during this time had the opportunity to get acquainted with other stars including lebron. Not every player can have this time and opportunity.

Some of these rookies have tactical plays built around them by his coaches/teammates. Kuzma, Mitchell, Markannen are the primary scorers for their teams and leadership is far more expected. They also get well experienced NBA players getting you the ball and not rookies. As far as this goes, they have their paths easier.

What does this drivel even mean?

You don't get better with time while you're in rehab, certainly not when you're off court. You get better when you play 82 games on the court, same chance as the other rookie.

These same rookies get better on a different team and coach. If you're good, you're good. Forget all these rapport and teammates' high fives.




This is the only point I can agree to. Your environment helps. However, it hasn't made Simmons stand out as you put it. He doesn't lead in some categories and he sits outside the top 8. This advantage wasn't capitalized as you said by most injured rookies
So, how is the advantage significant enough for people to understand Webber's point?

Can you just stop it with the jibber jabber? Is there an advantage or not is the question here, if there is like you've already admitted, all of this nonsense is useless.

As long as there is an advantage no matter how little then its not fair, period! No need to torture me with more of your gibberish.

When you are injured and out for a whole year, do you train? Play basketball? If so how often?

Don't you just do the normal thing that you have done your whole life? Run drills, shoot three pointers?

Blake Griffin never added anything to his game his rookie year. He was a dunker, and an athletic dude. That was what he did.

Ben Simmons, has he added anything to his game? He has always been a passer, someone that can run the floor, everything he is doing now, he did it in college.
Which advantage did he get? His shooting hasn't improved.

These two rookies did not improve any aspect of their game at all their rookie year. They did the things they were known for in college.


Credit to any rookie who gets injured during his first year before stepping on the basketball court, and comes back to win ROTY. I have watched sports for a long time to know what a year long injury can do to a young prospect. A lot of players lose confidence if they don't play for a year.

Please someone should tell webber to shut up and go apologise to the Fab four.

DevdanSanguine:
No, my point is these players ceiling was and always will be average so their comparison with premier players is useless. Given two future stars, the one with a years advantage will always outplay the other.

Mehn. GTFOH...

You know a player was going to be average cos of what? A no 1 pick overall was going to be average?

Shei you sabi Kobe that averaged 3ppg in his rookie season had an average ceiling? Or Mccollum and Butler, abi? And you know all premier players before their first NBA game because you're a God, abi?

Look at what a grown man watching basketball is typing to prove a point.

Because this is the only referable recent case. The other is ben simmons and markelle fultz and regardless of whether the latter was healthy or not there is no way he would outplay simmons partly due to this advantage. As to who will be better in the long run, that remains to be seen so i cant use them as an example.

You've shifted goal post and called Fultz a "future star" cos he's played 6 games this season.

Who am I even arguing with?

Give me just one example of a current NBA star who missed his first year and got outplayed in his rookie season by a player currently inferior to him. Just one!

Who is this coconut? Just look at all the specifics

After ruling out all rookies cos they're average, I should help you and find one inferior to an all star and also played better in a rookie season.

Ori o pe...

First of all are corvington and saric not NBA players? And yet they dont have as much time to soak in as much as ben simmons will. Lets not forget saric and corvington (who besides your condescending tone towards them are established NBA players) simmons during this time had the opportunity to get acquainted with other stars including lebron. Not every player can have this time and opportunity.

How does hanging out with LeBron while injured help him significantly in court? I'm hangry..

Someone spent months conditioning his body part with rehab, not full training ooo. He then started training the same time as these rookies. Tatum started Celtics workouts as early as June FFS. Other rookies too also had more game time than Simmons in pre-season games.

What does this drivel even mean?

I just told you rookies having better opportunities to develop in their teams. How will you understand?

Can you just stop it with the jibber jabber? Is there an advantage or not is the question here, if there is like you've already admitted, all of this nonsense is useless.

As long as there is an advantage no matter how little then its not fair, period! No need to torture me with more of your gibberish.

Oga, SHUT UP!!!

His advantage is insignificant, no dey yammer nonsense for here. He's just good. Simple and shut

Most of the rookies that missed their first seasons didn't improve with rapports and whatsapp chat with LeBron cos they no sabi play.

Embiid, Blake Griffin and Ben Simmons no get any blown out of proportion advantage whatsoever. Mechie onu gi if you don't have a point.

Nansense

Donlittle:
When you are injured and out for a whole year, do you train? Play basketball? If so how often?

Don't you just do the normal thing that you have done your whole life? Run drills, shoot three pointers?

Blake Griffin never added anything to his game his rookie year. He was a dunker, and an athletic dude. That was what he did.

Ben Simmons, has he added anything to his game? He has always been a passer, someone that can run the floor, everything he is doing now, he did it in college.
Which advantage did he get? His shooting hasn't improved.

These two rookies did not improve any aspect of their game at all their rookie year. They did the things they were known for in college.


Credit to any rookie who gets injured during his first year before stepping on the basketball court, and comes back to win ROTY. I have watched sports for a long time to know what a year long injury can do to a young prospect. A lot of players lose confidence if they don't play for a year.

Please someone should tell webber to shut up and go apologise to the Fab four.

Oga. May God bless your 2018...

Very few number of these rookies play something after injury

Donlittle:
When you are injured and out for a whole year, do you train? Play basketball? If so how often?

Don't you just do the normal thing that you have done your whole life? Run drills, shoot three pointers?

Blake Griffin never added anything to his game his rookie year. He was a dunker, and an athletic dude. That was what he did.

Ben Simmons, has he added anything to his game? He has always been a passer, someone that can run the floor, everything he is doing now, he did it in college.
Which advantage did he get? His shooting hasn't improved.

These two rookies did not improve any aspect of their game at all their rookie year. They did the things they were known for in college.


Credit to any rookie who gets injured during his first year before stepping on the basketball court, and comes back to win ROTY. I have watched sports for a long time to know what a year long injury can do to a young prospect. A lot of players lose confidence if they don't play for a year.

Please someone should tell webber to shut up and go apologise to the Fab four.

And I agree, while first year injuries can be devastating to some rookies like in the case of greg oden but others have been able to reap the benefits of a whole year to learn.

No one ever claimed that these players morph into a different version of themselves or anything other than what they are. Every players development curve is mostly within the confine of his game (or as you put it what hes known for) and as he progresses he becomes a better version of what he is. The argument is that a years layoff and everything that comes in between allows them to play at a higher level in their first year than they would have if they had just jumped into the league immediately after the draft. Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin were both higher on the development ladder when they started playing in comparison to other rookies.

westbrook is playing like a boss this game
i expect okc to win

Decale:
Mehn. GTFOH...

You know a player was going to be average cos of what? A no 1 pick overall was going to be average?

Shei you sabi Kobe that averaged 3ppg in his rookie season had an average ceiling? Or Mccollum and Butler, abi? And you know all premier players before their first NBA game because you're a God, abi?

Look at what a grown man watching basketball is typing to prove a point.








You've shifted goal post and called Fultz a "future star" cos he's played 6 games this season.

Who am I even arguing with?



Who is this coconut? Just look at all the specifics

After ruling out all rookies cos they're average, I should help you and find one inferior to an all star and also played better in a rookie season.

Ori o pe...









How does hanging out with LeBron while injured help him significantly in court? I'm hangry..

Someone spent months conditioning his body part with rehab, not full training ooo. He then started training the same time as these rookies. Tatum started Celtics workouts as early as June FFS. Other rookies too also had more game time than Simmons in pre-season games.





I just told you rookies having better opportunities to develop in their teams. How will you understand?






Oga, SHUT UP!!!

His advantage is insignificant, no dey yammer nonsense for here. He's just good. Simple and shut

Most of the rookies that missed their first seasons didn't improve with rapports and whatsapp chat with LeBron cos they no sabi play.

Embiid, Blake Griffin and Ben Simmons no get any blown out of proportion advantage whatsoever. Mechie onu gi if you don't have a point.

Nansense

I understand now that your confusion stems from the fact that you dont know what advantage means so let me help you out


"A condition or circumstance that puts one in a favourable or superior position."


Dear simpleton, there is no so such thing as an insignificant advantage, that statement contradicts itself. The only case this advantage becomes insignificant is if other rookies overcome this handicap and that is obviously not the case.

If you feel other players have better conditions that may be true but then condition doesnt just translate into growth and development. That takes time.

I never claimed simmons and griffin arent special players. I just said they have a unique advantage that allows them to outshine the true rookies out there.

Like i said, as long as this advantage exists like you keep witlessly admitting, then your whole argument is void and there is no need for you to keep punishing me with the rubbish you keep wasting your time typing.

SIRcumalot:
westbrook is playing like a boss this game
i expect okc to win

The guy just ended Maker's career...

SIRcumalot:
westbrook is playing like a boss this game
i expect okc to win

Compliments of the season bro..good to hear from you.


Seems we are struggling without P.G.

Decale:
The guy just ended Maker's career...

This ona form dey fear me oh....

Looks like our streak wants to end..thought you guys will be the one to end it.

aliondo:
This ona form dey fear me oh....

Looks like our streak wants to end..thought you guys will be the one to end it.

PG's absence might have been a factor. Melo didn't step up but make we dey watch sha

I told you. 60-22 for the season...

Mavs and Nets don't know when to tank
Smh...

DevdanSanguine:
And I agree, while first year injuries can be devastating to some rookies like in the case of greg oden but others have been able to reap the benefits of a whole year to learn.

No one ever claimed that these players morph into a different version of themselves or anything other than what they are. Every players development curve is mostly within the confine of his game (or as you put it what hes known for) and as he progresses he becomes a better version of what he is. The argument is that a years layoff and everything that comes in between allows them to play at a higher level in their first year than they would have if they had just jumped into the league immediately after the draft. Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin were both higher on the development ladder when they started playing in comparison to other rookies.

How?

Lets see, Who were the rookies that won ROTY the year these guys got injured and where are they now?

Tyreke evans won rookie of the year in 2009 which was the year griffin came into the league, do you think if Griffin didn't get injured, Tyreke evans would have won it over him? Where is tyreke now? No, because the following year, Blake Griffin was more sensational in the Nba than Tyreke Evans.

Tyreke averaged 17 the following year while Blake averaged 22. Tyreke had all the training, in game experience, more composure and Blake still beat him in probably almost statistical category.


Last year, Michael Brodgon won rookie of the year, do you think he would have won it over ben simmons if simmons was fit to play? No, because currently, Ben simmons is playing better than brodgon.

I don't think we need to pull up Brodgon and Simmons number to do a comparison again.

Decale:
Oga. May God bless your 2018...

Very few number of these rookies play something after injury

Amin o

Decale:
PG's absence might have been a factor. Melo didn't step up but make we dey watch sha

I told you. 60-22 for the season...

Yh..and we missed so many free throws.

You not joking bro...i see you..

i know say westbrook go tie the game.
he has this uncanny ability of hitting shots like this.

I'm starting to believe those people that say majority of OKC's losses are due to bad calls...