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WORDWORLD:
WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS IF MAN WOULD STILL BE PUNISHED FOR COMMITING SINS. OF WHAT BENEFIT IS HIS DEATH TO SINNERS WHOM HE HAS DIED FOR IF THEY STILL WILL BE PUNISHED? I DONT GET IT REALLY!!! WHAT IS THE ESSENCE? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

Bro, go and read this https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

Although it takes u a month before finishing it but just make sure u finish every chapter for u to understand

WORDWORLD:
I like as you have put it. "The Muslim 'MAY' be and not 'IS' troubled about his soul". Which would have been an emphatic statement. Thank you for your generosity.

The plain Bible truth is that anyone that hasn't been regenerated is DEAD IN SINS AND TRESPASSES, so tell me can someone dead in God's view be troubled for his soul?
Even if he pretended to be troubled for his soul, it would be for a while, because Satan and his crew would steal the seed from his hearth � and the message he's heard would be unproductive.
..

So I say in line with the Bible that an UNREGENERATE Muslim can't be bothered about his soul to the point of SALVATION.

The Muslim is not troubled about his soul.

Of course, it would be in vain , to think a leopard can wash off his spots ... Or the Ethiopian wash away the blackness of his skin...
A Muslim isn't meant to be bothered about his soul, Bible never (didn't) taught (teach) me that....

He is only seeking for understanding as to how he is being approached by some Christains telling him to leave his own faith with the hope that if he believes in the doctrines that Jesus died for his sins, he is blessed with SALVATION. A Muslim appreciates or should appreciate such gestures when being approached because the intention of that christain is one that shows concern TO SAVE HE OR SHE.

Oh ok..

What the muslim is seeking is how this SALVATION doctrine works. Because his own faith teaches him like as Jesus accepted to use the LAW in the story of Zachaesus which emphasis on RESPONSIBILITY and GOOD CONDUCT. That you are responsible for the friuts of your actions and not that anybody will bear the ILL FRUITS on your behalf or a 'price has being paid'. Personal responsiblity and good conduct has been the teachings right from day one. What am trying to understand is of what RELEVANCE is Jesus dying for the sins of Mankind if the LAW worked on RESPONSIBILTY and yet you are saved. What is the ESSENCE of Jesus dying for the sins of mankind if the same the LAW, RESPONSIBILITY is still requires. That is, conversely GOOD ACTIONS saved mankind before Jesus died for the sins of mankind and is still required after his Death. SO WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF HE DIED FOR OUR SINS WHICH EQUATES SALVATION PLUS GOOD ACTION? What does it proof? Is it necessary? And why is his sacrifice not sufficient unless a human action is required which is to do good? HOW THEN HAS JESUS DYING FOR THEY SINNER, WHO IN THIS CONTEXT IS THAT PERSON SO IRRESPONSIBLE. For responsibility have been the saving grace with the law, SALVATION like Zaccheaus. I hope you can see my intentions and pespective which am trying to understand how the salvation doctrine works. ALL OF THE ANSWERS GIVEN HAS NOT SHOWN ANY RELEVANCE TO JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS, IF HUMAN ACTION IS STILL A CONSIDERING FACTOR THEN SUCH SACRIFICE IS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IT SERVES NO PURPOSE. IF IT DOES, HOW?! And that really is why I asked that question. If you don't have a tangible answer now please take your time to figure it out. And answer with an inevitable conclusion and not flim-flam PLEASE.

First sir, the Bible says "THE CARNAL MIND CANNOT RECEIVE THE THINGS OF GOD, NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, FOR THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED,

to help you, we must compare scriptures with scriptures.

When you are ready for us to compare scriptures with scriptures, we will talk...

I quoted A CARNAL MIND because that the mind every untaught human... Any human that's wants to use logic to explain GOD...

HUMAN ACT AND LAW ARE JUST LOGIC , THEY SAVE NO ONE...

WHEN YOU READY YOU PICK A BIBLE .. AND WE SHALL DISCUSS

muttelylaff, enilove, petra1, anonyNymous, twosquare, butterflylion,adepeter2027, dohgon, emmanystone, ferisidowu.

Ferisidowu

WORDWORLD:
Thank you. "After you are expected to go and sin no more". enilove how it is possible to sin no more? Can you explain how or teach me how this is possible? For i just finish reading a verse from the lips of Jesus according to your quote from the Bible. "he that is without sin among you let him cast the first stone". How is it possible to sin no more even after believing that Jesus died for the sins of mankind. HOW?! These are honest questions enilove.

This verse below shows the hypocrisy of many people. That event was b4 the death of Jesus. The people as at then were follow the law of Moses which was hard to follow because of the sin in there blood.
Pls note, it was not impossible to follow but difficult to follow without any sin. Some were able to follow it and were righteous but their righteousness could not take them to heaven since they also inherited their father's sins. Those people who gathered to stone the woman were all sinners , and Jesus could see into their spiritual life to tell what sins they all had individually.

But with the death of Jesus , it is easy and possible because the power of the inherited sins are destroyed. You will receive the Power from above to live a holy life automatically. This is spiritual and you will know it because the will to commit those sins will be gone. Mind you, it does not mean there will not be temptations or occasional desire to sin, but you will have full control over the situation unlike when you were not born again. Paul said :

Romans 7:14-20 KJV
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[15] For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[20] Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

continuation , after Paul got born again , he said:
Romans 8:1-8,10
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. [6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


YOU CAN READ THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

After this , you can ask more questions , even relating to your faith.

WORDWORLD:
WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS IF MAN WOULD STILL BE PUNISHED FOR COMMITING SINS. OF WHAT BENEFIT IS HIS DEATH TO SINNERS WHOM HE HAS DIED FOR IF THEY STILL WILL BE PUNISHED? I DONT GET IT REALLY!!! WHAT IS THE ESSENCE? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

Jesus came and died and rose up again. Because of that we have the grace to repent of our sins and live a worthy life, we have His righteousness and opportunity to live an eternal life with him. Foremost he came as a result of the promise made to Adam, to rescue Adam and deliver him from death when he fell at the Garden of Eden and also to crush the serpent and put him under captivity, that promise came into fulfillment the day He died on the cross and descended into the abyss, broke down the gates of hades and release those that have died waiting for that promise from Adam to Abraham, David among others, collected the powers and keys of hell and led the risen ones into Paradise. Sinners are to come into repentance, live a righteous life and make their soul worthy of eternal life.

WORDWORLD:
WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS IF MAN WOULD STILL BE PUNISHED FOR COMMITING SINS. OF WHAT BENEFIT IS HIS DEATH TO SINNERS WHOM HE HAS DIED FOR IF THEY STILL WILL BE PUNISHED? I DONT GET IT REALLY!!! WHAT IS THE ESSENCE? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

God is gentleman, He does not force himself on any one. The bible says if we deny him he would also deny us, he would let us go (2Tim 2:12). Has given us a lamb, a sacrifice. If we believe in that sacrifice we would benefit from the riches of that sacrifice. But if we reject that sacrifice, then God cannot force it on us. You cannot enjoy the benefits of the sacrifice unless we embrace it. God would not force Himself on anyone, if you don't want the sacrifice then you would live like the sacrifice never exist, you would live like Jesus never died and you would experience the reality of a world where Jesus never died. In this way God is wise, He carried out His plan without forcing anything on anyone.

enilove:
This verse below shows the hypocrisy of many people. That event was b4 the death of Jesus. The people as at then were follow the law of Moses which was hard to follow because of the sin in there blood.
Pls note, it was not impossible to follow but difficult to follow without any sin. Some were able to follow it and were righteous but their righteousness could not take them to heaven since they also inherited their father's sins. Those people who gathered to stone the woman were all sinners , and Jesus could see into their spiritual life to tell what sins they all had individually.

But with the death of Jesus , it is easy and possible because the power of the inherited sins are destroyed. You will receive the Power from above to live a holy life automatically. This is spiritual and you will know it because the will to commit those sins will be gone. Mind you, it does not mean there will not be temptations or occasional desire to sin, but you will have full control over the situation unlike when you were not born again. Paul said :

Romans 7:14-20 KJV
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[15] For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[20] Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

continuation , after Paul got born again , he said:
Romans 8:1-8,10
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. [6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


YOU CAN READ THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

After this , you can ask more questions , even relating to your faith.

Ecclesiastes 7:20

"Indeed, there is not a righteous man on
earth who continually does good and who
never sins". Is it possible to NEVER EVER SIN after being BORN AGAIN?! From what i can understand the rate at which a born again will trangress is so on a minimal scale because of self control of which we must recognise that sins itself is of variance. A born again may not commit murder but his heart may wander at times into thoughts that are sinful that are sinful. For example THAT PUFF UP PRIDE, A BORN AGAIN AM BETTER. Self righteousness itself is a sin. So brother with the quote above from the Bible i dont know how that quote cant be TRUE about us all that we are all sinners before God and seeking His Grace. Am grateful for all your response.

WORDWORLD:
Did you also read all that you have written up there about Egyptians inventing god in a BOOK written or you are a witness to it? O! ITS AN ILLUSION THAT ALL TRIBES HAVE A NAME THEY CALL GOD. AH, IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE EGYPTIANS THAT TAUGHT THEM TOO. Nawa o!

God is merely the universal name given to man's Spiritual inclinations toward a higher power or creator. I study history! No tribe, anywhere in the world ever called their deities a god. They always gave it a name, just like yours has 99 names. The word god is an encapsulation of an idea.
I call my higher power the Great Spirit of the Universe. It has no responsibility to me but my responsibility is to acknowledge and respect its creation. I don’t dwell on covetous Desires as all illusion lovers do to get milk and honey to eat, dozens of virgins to sx or to live forever in paradise.

Hiswordxray:
God is gentleman, He does not force himself on any one. The bible says if we deny him he would also deny us, he would let us go (2Tim 2:12). Has given us a lamb, a sacrifice. If we believe in that sacrifice we would benefit from the riches of that sacrifice. But if we reject that sacrifice, then God cannot force it on us. You cannot enjoy the benefits of the sacrifice unless we embrace it. God would not force Himself on anyone, if you don't want the sacrifice then you would live like the sacrifice never exist, you would live like Jesus never died and you would experience the reality of a world where Jesus never died. In this way God is wise, He carried out His plan without forcing anything on anyone.

Thank you very much. Let me ask you too and please be HONEST. Is it possible that after accepting the sacrifice that one can sin no more. May be you read a few comments of myself and envilove.

Hiswordxray:
God is gentleman, He does not force himself on any one. The bible says if we deny him he would also deny us, he would let us go (2Tim 2:12). Has given us a lamb, a sacrifice. If we believe in that sacrifice we would benefit from the riches of that sacrifice. But if we reject that sacrifice, then God cannot force it on us. You cannot enjoy the benefits of the sacrifice unless we embrace it. God would not force Himself on anyone, if you don't want the sacrifice then you would live like the sacrifice never exist, you would live like Jesus never died and you would experience the reality of a world where Jesus never died. In this way God is wise, He carried out His plan without forcing anything on anyone.

Thank you very much. Let me ask you too and please be HONEST. Is it possible that after accepting the sacrifice that one can sin no more not even so little as in our thoughts.

WORDWORLD:
Thank you very much. Let me ask you too and please be HONEST. Is it possible that after accepting the sacrifice that one can sin no more. May be you read a few comments of myself and envilove.

It is possible to live without sin, although many of us have not enter into this reality. But has long as we believe it and pursue it with all of our heart God is happy with us.

Lordcenturion2:
Bro, go and read this https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

Although it takes u a month before finishing it but just make sure u finish every chapter for u to understand

Thank you. I hope to take my time to not just read but study, research and reflect over it. Am grateful!

Hiswordxray:
It is possible to live without sin, although many of us have not enter into this reality. But has long as we believe it and pursue it with all of our heart God is happy with us.

Hmmm...have you entered into this reality of living without an iota of sin?

WORDWORLD:
Ecclesiastes 7:20

"Indeed, there is not a righteous man on
earth who continually does good and who
never sins". Is it possible to NEVER EVER SIN after being BORN AGAIN?! From what i can understand the rate at which a born again will trangress is so on a minimal scale because of self control of which we must recognise that sins itself is of variance. A born again may not commit murder but his heart may wander at times into thoughts that are sinful that are sinful. For example THAT PUFF UP PRIDE, A BORN AGAIN AM BETTER. Self righteousness itself is a sin. So brother with the quote above from the Bible i dont know how that quote cant be TRUE about us all that we are all sinners before God and seeking His Grace. Am grateful for all your response.

When someone gets born again, he is expected to grow and leave that former life of sin. But as you have rightly said there
are some sins which we do commit ignorantly. Those kinds of sins will be revealed to you by the Holy Spirit and by regular reading of your Bible. For example :

Philippians 4:8 KJV
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

By reading the above and meditating on it daily , your heart will not think evil . There is no sin that is not revealed by God in the Bible:
Romans 1:29-32 KJV
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

The last verse also tells us not to take pleasure in the workers of evil and their deeds. Like watching of porn.

The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth as the bible says.

I want you to know that majority of people will not be saved except the few righteous:

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You are diff from others , don't follow them to do evil. Every sinner will be punished in hell fire forever, there is no coming out.

Ferisidowu:
The plain Bible truth is that anyone that hasn't been regenerated is DEAD IN SINS AND TRESPASSES, so tell me can someone dead in God's view be troubled for his soul?
Even if he pretended to be troubled for his soul, it would be for a while, because Satan and his crew would steal the seed from his hearth � and the message he's heard would be unproductive.
..

So I say in line with the Bible that an UNREGENERATE Muslim can't be bothered about his soul to the point of SALVATION.


Of course, it would be in vain , to think a leopard can wash off his spots ... Or the Ethiopian wash away the blackness of his skin...
A Muslim isn't meant to be bothered about his soul, Bible never (didn't) taught (teach) me that....




Oh ok..


First sir, the Bible says "THE CARNAL MIND CANNOT RECEIVE THE THINGS OF GOD, NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, FOR THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED,

to help you, we must compare scriptures with scriptures.

When you are ready for us to compare scriptures with scriptures, we will talk...

I quoted A CARNAL MIND because that the mind every untaught human... Any human that's wants to use logic to explain GOD...

HUMAN ACT AND LAW ARE JUST LOGIC , THEY SAVE NO ONE...

WHEN YOU READY YOU PICK A BIBLE .. AND WE SHALL DISCUSS




Ferisidowu

Carnal mind?! Hmmm very interesting honesty. i am quoting you so that you can reflect over your statement carefully. "A CARNAL MIND CANNOT KNOW THE THINGS OF GOD, NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM FOR THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY INCLINED"

So why should a CARNAL MIND at tall waste his time to pick the Bible when he is already being told that "he cannot know the things of God" which the Bible is an example of the things of God. Or is the Bible not the word of God, which purpose in the first place is to open it self SPIRITUALLY the that carnal mind, A SINNER so as to emancipate he or herself for carnality. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE IS THAT THE VERY ESSENCE OF THE BIBLE IS DEFEATED. For you have to start from being a sinner not as a saint. FROM ZERO TO HERO. So what are you saying. Did you think this through properly before puring it down? For it lacks LOGIC. Oh! Logic is a human act and cant save anyone. HOW THEN CAN THE BIBLE SAVE A CARNAL MIND IF HIS MIND CANT RECEIVE THE THINGS OF GOD? HOW?! That means the Bible is not for them!

WORDWORLD:
Thank you. I hope to take my time to not just read but study, research and reflect over it. Am grateful!

Welcome bro, 0temSapien of OtemAtum has come to stay

WORDWORLD:
Carnal mind?! Hmmm very interesting honesty. i am quoting you so that you can reflect over your statement carefully. "A CARNAL MIND CANNOT KNOW THE THINGS OF GOD, NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM FOR THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY INCLINED"

So why should a CARNAL MIND at tall waste his time to pick the Bible when he is already being told that "he cannot know the things of God" which the Bible is an example of the things of God. Or is the Bible not the word of God, which purpose in the first place is to open it self SPIRITUALLY the that carnal mind, A SINNER so as to emancipate he or herself for carnality. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE IS THAT THE VERY ESSENCE OF THE BIBLE IS DEFEATED. For you have to start from being a sinner not as a saint. FROM ZERO TO HERO. So what are you saying. Did you think this through properly before puring it down? For it lacks LOGIC. Oh! Logic is a human act and cant save anyone. HOW THEN CAN THE BIBLE SAVE A CARNAL MIND IF HIS MIND CANT RECEIVE THE THINGS OF GOD? HOW?! That means the Bible is not for them!

Bible is for the carnal minds and the spiritual minds just as the word of God is for the saved ,unsaved, the righteous and the unrighteous.

WORDWORLD:
Carnal mind?! Hmmm very interesting honesty

i am quoting you so that you can reflect over your statement carefully. "A CARNAL MIND CANNOT KNOW THE THINGS OF GOD, NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM FOR THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED "

Lol let me prove it to you :
1) do you accept the authenticity of the Bible?
2) do you yourself admit that you aren't saved??
3) what did I tell you that is the cure for carnal mind?

So why should a CARNAL MIND at tall waste his time to pick the Bible when he is already being told that "he cannot know the things of God"

Lolz it's obvious that you didn't understand me, the only way he can know the things of God is if he accept the authenticity of the scriptures, and also read the scriptures ,,, that's where the MIND of God is embedded..

which the Bible is an example of the things of God. Or is the Bible not the word of God, which purpose in the first place is to open it self SPIRITUALLY the that carnal mind, A SINNER so as to emancipate he or herself for carnality.

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE IS THAT THE VERY ESSENCE OF THE BIBLE IS DEFEATED.

Understand my point before jumping into conclusions

For you have to start from being a sinner not as a saint. FROM ZERO TO HERO. So what are you saying. Did you think this through properly before puring it down? For it lacks LOGIC. Oh! Logic is a human act and cant save anyone. HOW THEN CAN THE BIBLE SAVE A CARNAL MIND IF HIS MIND CANT RECEIVE THE THINGS OF GOD? HOW?! That means the Bible is not for them!

Answer the 3 questions I have and let's roll...

Ferisidowu:
Lol let me prove it to you :
1) do you accept the authenticity of the Bible?
2) do you yourself admit that you aren't saved??
3) what did I tell you that is the cure for carnal mind?



Lolz it's obvious that you didn't understand me, the only way he can know the things of God is if he accept the authenticity of the scriptures, and also read the scriptures ,,, that's where the MIND of God is embedded..





Understand my point before jumping into conclusions



Answer the 3 questions I have and let's roll...

Question number 1. Do you accept the authenticity of the Bible? Very, very simple answer. ACCEPTANCE BEGINS FROM NONACCEPTANCE AFTER VERIFICATION FOR AUTHENTICITY. You want people to just accept a scripture without any proof by going through firstly with their carnal mind?!!! IS THE POINT AM MAKING. Is this not the reason am asking you about how salvation works? And you have kicked against LOGIC that probes for SUBSTANCE while embracing SPIRITUALITY which is an ABSTRACT and so easy to use in defense of FALLACIES OF COMPOSITIONS. It starts from the Physical then to Metaphysical. Is the BIBLE illogical so that logic cant be applied? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT IT MEANS BY CARNAL MIND?


Question 2 "Do you yourself admit that you aren't save?" Shows that you are running out of ideas. How? Now let me explain. Which is that unless he or she, the carnal minded reads the Bible and then shall the Bible point to whatever the it has to offer as YOU ARE SAVED or YOU ARE NOT SAVED. Its now left to the reader to ponder. If a disqualification has been made about the carnal minded as to the Bible that its a no go area. How does he or she know about the salvation it is offering. And should a reader swallow stuff hook and sinker and not ask questions. Of which uptill now you cant MAKE ANYTHING substantial as to explain why human actions as to WRONG DOING, a SINNER still going to be punished despite the doctrine that "JESUS DIED FOR SINNERS,WRONG DOERS so that him being the sacrificial lamb has PAID THE PRICE for SINNERS not to be punished. One of the questions is why are the still going to be punished? What does it then mean JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND? Is it that such a sacrifice is INSUFFICIENT and thats the reason why? WHAT PRICE THEN HAS HE PAID? The best you could say was "OK OH" when i broke it down logically because the bible should not only be able to speak only in spiritual terms but logic so that it can accomodate all. BUT YOU ARE SAYING THE BIBLE ITSELF IS ILLOGICAL IF LOGIC CANT BE APPLIED. So how does a logical mind transcend to the spiritual so as to accept the Bible because it doesnt accept his way of verification. Is the Bible not meant for all?

Question 3. AND WHAT DID YOU SAY IS THE CURE?!

It is the Bible that should convince any mind with undisputable evidence about its authenticity. Not that a person has to just believe about its authenticity. SO I PUT IT TO YOU CAN YOU PROOF THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE BIBLE?

Ferisidowu:
So I say in line with the Bible that an UNREGENERATE Muslim can't be bothered about his soul to the point of SALVATION.


Of course, it would be in vain , to think a leopard can wash off his spots ... Or the Ethiopian wash away the blackness of his skin...
A Muslim isn't meant to be bothered about his soul, Bible never (didn't) taught (teach) me that.

Of course a Muslim is not troubled about his soul because the essence of ISLAM which means PEACE is to give him a troubled free soul PEACEFUL with itself. So he is declaring his state of mind from the position of what he is enjoying by practicing the principles of ISLAM. I hope you get it! So a Muslim's soul is not troubled at all.

The Quran gives such assurance of UNTROUBLED MIND.


"and those who follow My guidance need have no fear, AND NEITHER SHALL THEY GRIEF". Quran 2:38

"O you soul at peace and satisfaction! Come back to your Lord well pleased and well pleasing unto Him. Enter thou among my devotees. Ye enter my paradise". Quran 89:27-30.

An UNREGENARATED MUSLIM is so bother because his soul is not working within the principles that ensures peace. So such soul MUST be troubled.

And what is this principle? It is like the LAW given to Moses which commands OBEDIENCE and not SACRIFICE.

WORDWORLD:
Of course a Muslim is not bothered about his soul because the essence of ISLAM meaning PEACE is to give him a troubled free soul PEACEFUL with itself. So he is declaring his state of mind from the position of what he is enjoying by practicing the principles of ISLAM. I hope you get it! So a Muslim's soul is not troubled at all.

The Quran gives such assurance of UNTROUBLED MIND.


"and those who follow My guidance need have no fear, and neither shall they grief". Quran 2:38

"O you soul at peace and satisfaction! Come back to your Lord well pleased and well pleasing unto Him. Enter thou among my devotees. Ye enter my paradise". Quran 89:27-30.

An UNREGENARATED MUSLIM is so bother because his soul is not working within the principles that ensures peace. So such soul MUST be troubled.

You are allowing the devil to deceive you.

How can you believe a man like Muhammed ?

A truth is enough to set you free :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

Aside from the above, he could not show any power of God in his life unlike Jesus.

This is a sample :

Luke 8:23-25 KJV
But as they sailed he fell asleep: and there came down a storm of wind on the lake; and they were filled with water , and were in jeopardy.
[24] And they came to him, and awoke him, saying, Master, master, we perish. Then he arose, and rebuked the wind and the raging of the water: and they ceased, and there was a calm.
[25] And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.

I was a Muslim . I can tell you frankly that Islam is not a way of salvation.

Don't wait till you die to know the truth , it will be too late then.

enilove:
You are allowing the devil to deceive you.

How can you believe a man like Muhammed ?

A truth is enough to set you free :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

Aside from the above, he could not show any power of God in his life unlike Jesus.

This is a sample :

Luke 8:23-25 KJV
But as they sailed he fell asleep: and there came down a storm of wind on the lake; and they were filled with water , and were in jeopardy.
[24] And they came to him, and awoke him, saying, Master, master, we perish. Then he arose, and rebuked the wind and the raging of the water: and they ceased, and there was a calm.
[25] And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.

I was a Muslim . I can tell you frankly that Islam is not a way of salvation.

Don't wait till you die to know the truth , it will be too late then.

Congratulation for becoming a Christian. I honestly wish you the BEST. We are all on a journey. Some move from Islam to Christanity to atheism. WHAT MATTERS THE MOST IS WITH WHAT CONVICTION DID WE DIE AND BE READY TO ACCEPT THE OUT-COME OF OUR CONVICTION. May our final destination be blessed.

WORDWORLD:
Congratulation for becoming a Christian. I honestly wish you the BEST. We are all on a journey. Some move from Islam to Christanity to atheism. WHAT MATTERS THE MOST IS WITH WHAT CONVICTION DID WE DIE. May our final destination be blessed.

lolz

WORDWORLD:
WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS IF MAN WOULD STILL BE PUNISHED FOR COMMITING SINS. OF WHAT BENEFIT IS HIS DEATH TO SINNERS WHOM HE HAS DIED FOR IF THEY STILL WILL BE PUNISHED? I DONT GET IT REALLY!!! WHAT IS THE ESSENCE? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

Hey! Sorry for bumping in late. You mentioned my moniker. Word plenty but anyways, if you will take my advice and you are a lover of truth, get this book: https://okadabooks.com/book/about/the_sons_of_el/17120

You will perfectly understand why Jesus died for your/our sins, the concept of punishment and all that, and why everyone needs this Man Jesus.

enilove can also use this to brighten up.

twosquare:
Hey! Sorry for bumping in late. You mentioned my moniker. Word plenty but anyways, if you will take my advice and you are a lover of truth, get this book: https://okadabooks.com/book/about/the_sons_of_el/17120

You will perfectly understand why Jesus died for your/our sins, the concept of punishment and all that, and why everyone needs this Man Jesus.

enilove can also use this to brighten up.

Thank you.

the introduction of sin brought death as punishment to all human whether righteous or not..but jesus had to die so that we can live again..and in the sense of living only the righteous will live again and for this generation those who by LOVE believe in jesus will live again...as all die in Adam..all who believe in jesus will be made alive in LOVE