Christians should not drink alcohol - Perry Stone


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlPt0AdqAdw

Should Christians drink alcohol?

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The answer is no.
1 Tim 5:23, many refer to this passage during their attempts to justify drinking intoxicating or alcoholic wine. But what's odd to me is that regardless of how much one intends to drink, he/she attempts to justify it by quoting what Paul told Timothy. How odd it is that they correctly quote Paul's advice, and then it is conveniently explained away, corrupted, and twisted to suit their own fleshly desires.
So what does Paul implied in that verse of the scripture?
1.Paul was talking to Timothy, not to people today. The conditions were such that Timothy could no longer drink water. There are areas were their water is not good for drinking as it makes one sick and have stomach upset.
So it was proper to take medication to cure it.
In Timothy's day they had not made the medical advances we have today. Paul's suggestion to Timothy regarding the medicinal use of wine has nothing whatsoever to do with the practice of social (wine) drinking today
2.the wine was to be used for medicinal purposes, "For thy stomach's sake." How many people drink wine for their stomach's sake? We take medicines for our infirmities (diseases), but once the illnesses are gone, we stop taking the medicines the doctors prescribed for them. The same would be true in Timothy's case. Once the infirmity vanished, he probably ceased to take the wine as medicine, just as we would do today.
3. LOOK at the word little meaning small.How much medicine do we usually take when we're sick; perhaps a teaspoon or tablespoon full? Or maybe a little more? Do those of you who advocate drinking wine drink a little? And do you drink it as a remedy for some illness you have? If not, why do you drink it? Instead they drink excessively.
4.look at Eve's deception. Satan deceived her by lying. Eve knew that God commanded them not to eat of the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden, lest they die. But Satan told Eve, "Ye shall not surely die; for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be like gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:4,5)
Satan got Eve to disobey God by telling her a lie and getting her to believe it. He convinced her that it was all right to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, even though God had forbidden it. Likewise, Satan convinces many today that it is all right to drink wine (other than for medicinal purposes), even though God forbids it. Notice what God said about fermented drink: "Wine is a mocker strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is NOT WISE." (Proverbs 20:1) Notice also the warning about the intoxicating effects of wine found in Proverbs 23:29-35. The passage clearly states that those who are "DECEIVED" into thinking it is all right to drink wine are "NOT WISE!" hence they are foolish.
Many will say what of the case of Jesus turning water into wine? Let's look at it from the scriptures . Yes Jesus actually turned water into wine ( John 2:1-11). Did he turn it to toxicate people? No.Many believe, because of Satan's deception, that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, turned water into an alcoholic beverage so the men could become drunk (immoral; Galatians 5:19-21). Do we really believe that Christ would go against His Father's teaching; that He used His miraculous power to produce about 120 gallons of intoxicating wine, which the Holy Spirit denounced as "a mocker" and as "the poison of dragons"?
The word wine, as used in John's account of the marriage feast (John 2:1-11), is the Greek word oinos, or grape juice. The ones we have today are intoxicating.

OLAADEGBU:
Should Christians drink alcohol?

Of course, even Jesus drank wine.

dorox:


Of course, even Jesus drank wine.

What kind of wine?

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You people in your bid to appear righteous would desperately try to twist anything .

Regarding the Timothy case,all your Assumptions are Baseless

1. You said it was written to Timothy , using that logic ... Why do you quote portions of the verse today since the ENTIRE LETTER was addressed to Timothy ?

2. You lifted your argument again saying it was for medicinal purpose, why should he even TASTE it in the first place if its not meant for Christians ?

3.. Jesus turn water to wine, you claim it can't get anyone intoxicated , read Verse 10 again and be enlightened . the Director of feast said fine wine can get people intoxicated . Each person will use their brain so as not to let the wine get them to that point .

Peacefullove:


You people in your bid to appear righteous would desperately try to twist anything .

Regarding the Timothy case,all your Assumptions are Baseless

1. You said it was written to Timothy , using that logic ... Why do you quote portions of the verse today since the ENTIRE LETTER was addressed to Timothy ?

2. You lifted your argument again saying it was for medicinal purpose, why should he even TASTE it in the first place if its not meant for Christians ?

3.. Jesus turn water to wine, you claim it can't get anyone intoxicated , read Verse 10 again and be enlightened . the Director of feast said fine wine can get people intoxicated . Each person will use their brain so as not to let the wine get them to that point .

Watch the video clip on the OP and then come back to address it here.

OLAADEGBU:


Watch the video clip on the OP and then come back to address it here.

I expect you to address the points I raised if truly you have the knowledge of the subject u are talking about

Peacefullove:


You people in your bid to appear righteous would desperately try to twist anything .

Regarding the Timothy case,all your Assumptions are Baseless

1. You said it was written to Timothy , using that logic ... Why do you quote portions of the verse today since the ENTIRE LETTER was addressed to Timothy ?

2. You lifted your argument again saying it was for medicinal purpose, why should he even TASTE it in the first place if its not meant for Christians ?

3.. Jesus turn water to wine, you claim it can't get anyone intoxicated , read Verse 10 again and be enlightened . the Director of feast said fine wine can get people intoxicated . Each person will use their brain so as not to let the wine get them to that point .

Taking alcohol is sinful whether you believe it or not

Peacefullove:


I expect you to address the points I raised if truly you have the knowledge of the subject u are talking about

Those points has been addressed in the video clip if you had taken time to watch it.

OLAADEGBU:


What kind of wine?

I wasn't aware that there is more than one kind of wine. What other kind of wine is there?

Let me assume that your question is in regards as to whether or not the wine taken by Jesus is alcoholic and is capable of intoxicating someone when consumed excessively. Then my answer will be yes, the wine that Jesus drank is alcoholic.

How do I know that the wine Jesus drank has alcohol? you might ask.

By definition wine is alcoholic since it is a product of fermentation. Trying to argue that wine can be non alcoholic is as ridiculous as saying that there exist such a thing as vegetarian suya.

Another reason in support of the fact that the wine is alcoholic is jesus' statement in the book of Matthew 11 quoted below

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Now contrast the bold text with what was forbidden to John the Baptist in the book of Luke chapter 1 quoted below

for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God.

Can you now see that Jesus claimed to have drank what John the Baptist was not allowed to drink, and that the drink John was ordered not to drink is any fermented drink with wine as a specific example of that class of drinks?

OLAADEGBU:


What kind of wine?

what kind of wine would make the pharisees accuse Him of being a wine bibber (drunkard)? Orange juice? I don't think so.

asuustrike2009:


Taking alcohol is sinful whether you believe it or not

You have been brainwashed Bro .

Peacefullove:



You have been brainwashed Bro .

I have not being brainwashed my dear. The standard of God hasn't changed.

asuustrike2009:

I have not being brainwashed my dear. The standard of God hasn't changed.

That's the standards of those who have brainwashed you.

Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,


Matthew 11:18-19 KJV
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
[19] The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

God's standards is that we don't get drunk.

-Peace.

asuustrike2009:

I have not being brainwashed my dear. The standard of God hasn't changed.

Standard of God is not against alcohol itself

That's why you could not dare disprove the points I raised earlier on.

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It was Solomon that was talking in the proverbs not God. What he was trying to say is that one shouldn't drink to the extent of getting high.

CandidSeeker:



That's the standards of those who have brainwashed you.

Deuteronomy 14:26 KJV
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,


Matthew 11:18-19 KJV
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
[19] The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

God's standards is that we don't get drunk.

-Peace.

You're just misquoting scriptures out of context

asuustrike2009:

You're just misquoting scriptures out of context

You are where you are because of what you know, and you will remain there because of what you don't know.

John 8:32 NKJV
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

CandidSeeker:



You are where you are because of what you know, and you will remain there because of what you don't know.

John 8:32 NKJV
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Mr stop misquoting scriptures. The apostles of old never drank alcohol yet they were called Christians. The one who drank was because of stomach issue.

asuustrike2009:

Mr stop misquoting scriptures. The apostles of old never drank alcohol yet they were called Christians. The one who drank was because of stomach issue.

Where is ur proof that they never drank alcohol? I keep saying the worst enemy of Christianity are Christians themselves.
If Jesus drank alcohol when he was alive, u mean his disciples who later became the apostles were just folding their arms and watching him drink without partaking in it?
Even the last supper involved alcohol.

NPComplete:


Where is ur proof that they never drank alcohol? I keep saying the worst enemy of Christianity are Christians themselves.
If Jesus drank alcohol when he was alive, u mean his disciples who later became the apostles were just folding their arms and watching him drink without partaking in it?
Even the last supper involved alcohol.

Even in the last supper Jesus never drank alcohol. Don't say or assumet what you don't know.

asuustrike2009:

Even in the last supper Jesus never drank alcohol. Don't say or assumet what you don't know.

Lol. The first people that will go to hell are actually Christians like u. U lie worst than the devil just to suit ur own narrative.
Jews drink alcohol. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus drank alcohol. The wine drunk by people in the middle east in those days is fermented grape. Even till now they still make a variety of it. There was nothing like juice then.

Stop telling lies.

asuustrike2009:

Even in the last supper Jesus never drank alcohol. Don't say or assumet what you don't know.

How do you explain the fact that Jesus drank what was forbidden to John the Baptist.

dorox:



How do you explain the fact that Jesus drank what was forbidden to John the Baptist.

Don't mind that guy. Watch him twist and turn and all but invent his own bible and history.

NPComplete:



Lol. The first people that will go to hell are actually Christians like u. U lie worst than the devil just to suit ur own narrative.
Jews drink alcohol. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus drank alcohol. The wine drunk by people in the middle east in those days is fermented grape. Even till now they still make a variety of it. There was nothing like juice then.

Stop telling lies.

Oga stop lying. Stop assuming something from nothing. To go to hell is very easy. Just misbehave anyhow especially drinking alcoholic drink and end there

asuustrike2009:

Oga stop lying. Stop assuming something from nothing. To go to hell is very easy. Just misbehave anyhow especially drinking alcoholic drink and end there

You still havent told us what u think Jesus was drinking then o. Clowning Christians.

NPComplete:


You still havent told us what u think Jesus was drinking then o. Clowning Christians.

You haven't told us the kind of alcoholic drink he drank as stated in the bible .sabi sabi atheist

asuustrike2009:

You haven't told us the kind of alcoholic drink he drank as stated in the bible .sabi sabi atheist

Na mumu dey worry u. I spelt it out here:

NPComplete:



Lol. The first people that will go to hell are actually Christians like u. U lie worst than the devil just to suit ur own narrative.
Jews drink alcohol. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus drank alcohol. The wine drunk by people in the middle east in those days is fermented grape. Even till now they still make a variety of it. There was nothing like juice then.

Stop telling lies.

This proves u are a liar with low comprehension.

NPComplete:


Na mumu dey worry u. I spelt it out here:


This proves u are a liar with low comprehension.

Na u mumu pass. How the saviour of the world come so low to be taking alcohol. Keep reading Bible in literature of English instead of studying the root behind such verses. Even case laws are not as they say in the law

The bible never condemns Alcohol. Its only against drunkeness. Please. Alcohol was made by God for consumption. Its a great gift. Therefore, dont let Your selfrighteous hatred for alcohol search the sxriptures wrongly.

perousd:


The bible never condemns Alcohol. Its only against drunkeness. Please. Alcohol was made by God for consumption. Its a great gift. Therefore, dont let Your selfrighteous hatred for alcohol search the sxriptures wrongly.

What scriptures do you have to back up your claim?