historyworld031:
Why do you keep talking as if you were an insider. How can you, a non Edo claim that EDO are giving yoruba names to their children ?
Did Edo give yoruba names to the Bight of Benin ?
Did Edo give yoruba names to the Benin River ?
Did Edo give yoruba name to Omo n'Oba n'Edo ?
I am speaking as an Edo, where in hell are you yorubas getting all these stupid rumours which you keep throwing at our faces ?
If you want to learn about us then ask us questions ! must you guys be so dumb ?

vonxe:

1.yes, a lot of edo pple bear Yoruba names
2. they both serve almost the same gods
3. they inter marry a lot
4. in terms of culture some part of edo are almost similar to some part of Yoruba land e.g akoko, owo, ilaje, and slightly Ekiti.
5. some parts of Yoruba land also have slightly different culture
6. some akokos in ondo state don't speak Yoruba but they are generally classified as Yoruba because of ancient history, if I may ask what is the history of the akoko edos?
7. I read from history, you can confirm, that Yoruba language was made compulsory in edo schools until ogbemudia stopped it, don't you think that might have had effect on your grandfathers/Fathers?
8.I read, you can confirm, that the akoko edos all have different languages, a distance of few kilometers speak different languages (not dialect), how do you inter trade amongst yourselves?
9. do the village illiterates amongst you, akoko edos, believe yorubas are your brothers. Am not talking of few educated in the cities who might have been cheated, fought and possibly developed hatred for the yorubas?
10. lastly, are there villages/towns who believed they are pure yorubas?


IMO ihatepork is just being brutal and harsh with the truth.
ihatepork pls this is for you
1.Do itsekiri consider themselves as yorubas -- No
2. Do they speak a part of Yoruba dialect -- yes
2. Do they recognize yorubas as their brothers having the same ancient history -- yes
3.Do itsekiri have the same culture as yorubas -- No
4. The point am making is that akoko edos are free to decide what they want.

GuidoVanRossum:



Question you should ask: Are akoko-edo Yorubas? Answer: No
Question: what tribe are akoko edo? Answer: Edo
Question: Is there a tribe known as Edo
Answer: Yes
Question: do they have an homogeneous edo language
Answer: yes and it's gradually being taught in schools
Do the Edos have disparity in dialect? Answer: yes
Does this disparity affect the homogeneity of the Edo people? Answer: sparingly so. Even though Edo is the most homogeneous tribe in Nigeria culturally.



Remember that all other major tribes have different dialect. So, the Edos have their differences and people should not capitalise on those differences to balkanize the Edo nation.

vonxe:

1.
2. they both serve almost the same gods
3. they inter marry a lot
4. in terms of culture some part of edo are almost similar to some part of Yoruba land e.g akoko, owo, ilaje, and slightly Ekiti.
5. some parts of Yoruba land also have slightly different culture
6. some akokos in ondo state don't speak Yoruba but they are generally classified as Yoruba because of ancient history, if I may ask what is the history of the akoko edos?
7. don't you think that might have had effect on your grandfathers/Fathers?
8.I read, you can confirm, that the akoko edos all have different languages, a distance of few kilometers speak different languages (not dialect), how do you inter trade amongst yourselves?
9. do the village illiterates amongst you, akoko edos, believe yorubas are your brothers. Am not talking of few educated in the cities who might have been cheated, fought and possibly developed hatred for the yorubas?
10. lastly, are there villages/towns who believes they are pure yorubas?

vonxe:


thanks for the intelligent answers although not all were answered I will be grateful if you could give answers to the remaining.
To some of your questions and answers I will make some modifications, don't be offended.

Question you should ask: Are akoko-edo Yorubas? Answer: No
( depends, the word Yoruba was coined in the last millenium that is why other 'tribes' similar to Yoruba will say they are not Yorubas

vonxe:

Question: what tribe are akoko edo? Answer: Edo
( how are they edos, why not akokos?)

vonxe:

Question: Is there a tribe known as Edo
Answer: Yes
(I have limited knowledge in this)

vonxe:

Question: do they have an homogeneous edo language
Answer: yes and it's gradually being taught in schools
( I agree)

vonxe:

Do the Edos have disparity in dialect? Answer: yes( dialect and language is different, dialect comes under language. dialect is a subset of language meaning pple with different dialect under thesame language will be, to an extent, mutually intelligible to each other. how does these apply to akoko edos?)

vonxe:

Does this disparity affect the homogeneity of the Edo people? Answer: sparingly so (sparingly so?!!! when akoko edos cannot even hear each other).

vonxe:

Even though Edo is the most homogeneous tribe in Nigeria culturally.( maybe Edo, but convince me that akoko edos are Edos )

vonxe:

now answer mine

vonxe:

check this out:

Born into the family of Eshinavaka of Ufa quarters in Igarra, Akoko-Edo local government area of Edo State, Mr. Segun Ajayi had his primary and secondary education in the north, Army Children School and Air Force Secondary School both in Kaduna where he both distinguished himself in character and learning.
https://www.ireporteronline.com/

GuidoVanRossum:




They are edos because more than 80% of the villages there traced their history to the great Benin empire where Edo has it's origin from.
They are culturally similar to the rest of the Edo nation. They have unification of language and name. (Example is, anywhere you get to in Edo state, the word Ame=water is the same for all irrespective of the language. And there are lots of these kinds of words that I won't mention now.





I'm sorry, I will use Yoruba to elucidate a bit here.
Yoruba is a language
Ekiti has a distinct dialect
Ijebu has a distinct dialect
When an Ijebu man speaks his language in Ilesha, he sure will be totally unintelligible to his host. When an Egun speaks his dialect, an oyo man won't understand come. Despite this, they are under one tribe, Yoruba. So the fact that the person from Ibillo does not understand Ososo doesn't mean they can no longer be regarded as Edos.





Akoko Edos understands one another. There is a defining dialect known as the Okpameri, more than 60% of people from Akoko edo can speak and understand this. Maybe slight differences in the way they pronounce certain words.




To answer this. If you believe okuns from kogi are Yorubas even with a perfectly different language and culture, then, you should know that for this same reason, Akoko-edo are purely Edos.




What are your questions?

vonxe:


To pple reading these let me make some clarifications to prevent distortion
1. Eguns are not Yorubas
2. okuns ( to an extent oworos) does not have any different culture or language it is still a dialect of Yoruba language . I stayed there for 2 yrs
3.if an ijebu man speaks in ilesha, ilesha pple will definitely pick 40% of his words fact! I stayed, for several years, in Ekiti that has similar dialect with ijesas. ijebu language is intelligible to an extent.
4. I am not saying akoko edos are Yorubas but a lot of pple I met who are from there claim they are Yorubas.

without digressing

1. why are they referred to as akokos? when the akokos in ondo are saying they Yorubas, so what is the difference?
2. are there parts of akoko edos that claim they are Yorubas or are there Yorubas in akoko edo?
3. according to you, the remaining 40% who doesn't understand okpameri do they have different languages?
4. how do they communicate to other akoko edos during economic activities? is it true that the lingual franca is Yoruba?

willibounce1:
lol...some people are scared of going into extinction? like every human would not go into extinction at the end of the day. See the way he is crying like a baby. if not for low self esteem, some body calls you yoruba and you know you are not, why the crying?
they say you are yoruba, you reply i am not. simple as ABC. which one is crying all over the internet.

GuidoVanRossum:



When I was in school, I stayed at Ilara mokin. My course mate who lives in the same compound with me does not understand a word from the dialect of the people there.

You will be lying if you say as a yoruba man, you understand the language of Isua, Ondo, Akure, Ekiti, Ijesha, Ikare to mention but a few.

vonxe:


1. Ekiti and Akure dialect is same
2. apart from isua I have not been to, I can hear ikare, idanre, Ekiti (almost same with ijesas), okun, egba, ijebu, ondo, owo because I have stayed with them. The funny about dialect is that it is only the construction of the sentences and twisting of tongues that differs. the words are 70% similar. e.g sit down may translated to down sit
3.Why do some akoko edos now claim yoruba? although I know of some ilajes that claim itsekiri due to economic reasons but the akoko edos own is different

GuidoVanRossum:


Akure and ekiti have different language please. I currently live in Akure and that's where I schooled. I grew up in Kwara (Jebba) and so I speak and understand the general Yoruba perfectly. But I can't pick a thing when ekiti people speak. Same about Akure.

You said the construction is the difference? Then Ondo shouldn't be yorubas cos they speak something very different. Same as the rest (ekiti) inclusive. Let me cite some example with a few Ondo I could manage.

Giyan= so fun
Oforfi= Owipe, Onipe.
Kawa=Maabo
Egin=Egbon
Shoon/sun= Yagbe
Mu ko= fun (give him/her)
Etc

Please be sincere when you want to lay out your point. We aren't in competition for who wins or not


As for your last question, no person from Akoko Edo claims to be Yoruba. I have never met such person before.

GuidoVanRossum:


Akure and ekiti have different language please. I currently live in Akure and that's where I schooled. I grew up in Kwara (Jebba) and so I speak and understand the general Yoruba perfectly. But I can't pick a thing when ekiti people speak. Same about Akure.

You said the construction is the difference? Then Ondo shouldn't be yorubas cos they speak something very different. Same as the rest (ekiti) inclusive. Let me cite some example with a few Ondo I could manage.

Giyan= so fun
Oforfi= Owipe, Onipe.
Kawa=Maabo
Egin=Egbon
Shoon/sun= Yagbe
Mu ko= fun (give him/her)
Etc

Please be sincere when you want to lay out your point. We aren't in competition for who wins or not


As for your last question, no person from Akoko Edo claims to be Yoruba. I have never met such person before.

vonxe:


some thing about these topics is that sometimes emotions are involved. for your information am not a yoruba.

Ekiti dialect and Akure is the same.
why would I lie about a language that is not mine?
I spent the first part of yrs in idanre
I spent few yrs in Akure where I have a lot of ondo friends
I spent several years in Ekiti
I stayed few yrs shuttling akungba to ikare
I can speak idanre and Ekiti
ondo words are 70% or more of Yoruba words
if you had said owo it is still arguable

Anyway I believe these should be left to the academia who studied Yoruba language in school


your points about akoko edos are noted.

there is a nairalander from akoko edo who always claim to be Yoruba markfemi2
when I was in school I have several classmates who said same. it is left to you to believe me

ka WA -- WA means come
MU ko- Mu fun

GuidoVanRossum:



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GuidoVanRossum:



You are the one using emotion here now sir. I just asked a neighbour who is from Ekiti (igbara-odo) and she confirmed they don't speak the same language even though they have some similarities. She even said there are slight variations in the way Ekiti people speak I.e, Ikole and Ikere have slight variation in language. Anyway, I don't understand either language.

I'm from Akoko-Edo, I speak fluent yoruba. In facts, I speak and write yoruba. I was already reading yoruba since I was in primary 3. But when people from Ekiti speaks, or Ilara or Akure, I usually don't understand them. Still they are same Yorubas.

Secondly, I have sincerely not met a person from Akoko-Edo claiming to be yoruba. My family (nuclear) speaks yoruba. When we are at home and we don't want people to hear us, we speak yoruba. Even in Ibillo where we used to stay, some that don't know us well will cal us ibo yoruba (yoruba people).

GuidoVanRossum:


Akure and ekiti have different language please. I currently live in Akure and that's where I schooled. I grew up in Kwara (Jebba) and so I speak and understand the general Yoruba perfectly. But I can't pick a thing when ekiti people speak. Same about Akure.

You said the construction is the difference? Then Ondo shouldn't be yorubas cos they speak something very different. Same as the rest (ekiti) inclusive. Let me cite some example with a few Ondo I could manage.

Giyan= so fun
Oforfi= Owipe, Onipe.
Kawa=Maabo
Egin=Egbon
Shoon/sun= Yagbe
Mu ko= fun (give him/her)
Etc

Please be sincere when you want to lay out your point. We aren't in competition for who wins or not


As for your last question, no person from Akoko Edo claims to be Yoruba. I have never met such person before.

GuidoVanRossum:


Please tell me what's Yoruba here.

The postal code of the area is 312. The towns include Atte, Igarra, Enwan, Aiyegunle, Ugboshi-Afe, Ugboshi-Ele, Ekpesa, Ibillo, Ikiran-Ile, Ikiran oke, Ekor, Somorika, Lampese, Imoga, Ojah, Uneme-Akiosu, Ososo, Akuku, Ojirami-Dam, Imoga, Eshawa, Ojirami-Peteshi, Ojirami-Afe, Dagbala, Makeke, Ekpe, Ekpedo, Bekuma, Okpe, Ogbe, Onumu, Akpama, Anyonron, Ogugu, Ikakumo, Ijaja, Oloma, Uneme-nekua, Ikpesh

ThatKING:
why is the aiyegunle there ?? What's the meaning of aiyegunle ?

Olu317:
The Yoruba dialects you tried to compare and use above are all archaic Yoruba and the form of your writing them didn't jell as it were in the olden days. Oyo that formed the most innovate made the Yoruba language more tonal when speaking. The Giyan isn't correct as it seems. fó( tell) is old form to inform someone and it can be used in different ways. Shoon —sûn is virtually the same. Ka wa—ko Wa(to tell someone to come) mi a-wa( I am coming). The Yoruba language has been tested and its dialects must be over 70% intelligible, before being classified, which cut across Yoruba regions and can be understood by all, irrespective of the dialects. Furthermore, there are other groups that falls within yoruboid language as well. Despite the distance of Itsekiri in their settlement, her language is a Yoruba dialect. There are other groups that are classified as Yoruboid,such as Igala,aslo communities in Edo,Delta state etc. If you grow up in the land, where you understand the Oyo dialects then, you should be able to hear over 50% of other Yoruba dialects if indeed you pay attention to their words and not looking at their mouth. If for instance, you grew up in the settlement you mentioned as difficult for you to understand, then it will be so easy to speak Oyo Yoruba dialect.
Cheers

Olu317:
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SiicilianMafia:
[s][1 author=Olu317 post=64111802]Ikiran oke, ikiran ilè are Yoruba names and settlement. This doesn't mean all settlement are Yoruba but certain people among Edo like to cover the truth. I wonder what okè and ilè mean in Edo language? Bini language itself has infusion of Yoruba in it.
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I DARE YOU AND YOUR ANCESTORS TONITE SHOW ME THE INFUSION OF YORUBA IN BENIN LANGUAGE !! FOREVER KEEP SHUT UR MOUTH!

ThatKING:
why is the aiyegunle there ?? What's the meaning of aiyegunle ?

DarkLover:
To the one of the posters you sounds more like a Bini/Edo man rather than an Akoko-edo, Akoko-edo is one of the four major ethnic group in Edo state, although being the smallest, you wouldn't have erroneously referred to whole of Edo state as Edo and Omo n'oba as the soul ruler. There are other traditional rulers scattered all over the state.

Although the Binis/Edos are the majority, the influence of Oba Ewuare only spans through 7LGAs amongst many others.

Lastly you committed another blunder by saying the Yoruba copied the title 'Oba' from the Binis, in good heart, go and study the history of the past rulers of Bini and also check out that of Ile Ife dynasty.