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| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 9:15am On Jan 22, 2018 |
dalaman:Don't mind him... his so called all powerful all everything God cannot prove himself to those lack belief in him just because they have refused to accept what does not sound real to them. What a petty cry baby God. Acting so much like pregnant woman. How i wish judgment day is real... we will put yahweh and allah where they rightfully belong |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 9:28am On Jan 22, 2018 |
dalaman:Butterfly1on is 100% correct. The unbelievers the bible refer to are not dumb, mocking atheists. Those unbelievers were worshippers in their own right. God never reveal Himself personally to a God hater, mocker or religion destroyer. God knows the deep hidden motives of a man's heart. I Atheism as we know it today is a religion of hatred and destruction. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 9:38am On Jan 22, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:You have said it all. He feels that those he listed out up there also declared like him that God does not exist. He does not know that they believed in a god of their own making and not the one true God. Saul, the prophets of Baal etc. I wonder if he even thinks at all. He mentioned the PROPHETS of Baal and it never dawned on him that A PROPHET IS A PROCLAIMER OF THE WILL OF GOD but in their case, they proclaimed the will OF THEIR OWN god and not God. Moses was in the same vein. His root was Hebrew and even Moses could sense it within him that he was different despite while following the gods of Egypt. That salamander never thinks before he types and frank317 just like a zombie is following a non thinker which gives credence to the fact that BIRDS OF A FEATHER, ......... |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 9:57am On Jan 22, 2018 |
budaatum:i rest my case here, it been a waste of time on my part |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 9:57am On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Correct Sir. How I wish I can explain these complex things so simply and clearly, the way you, VAXX and Kingebukasblog does it. Spiritually speaking, 317 could be a 419. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 10:06am On Jan 22, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Excuses every where... paul was not a hater? How do u even feel worshiping a being in your head. Dont u feel like a mad man sometimes? |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 10:07am On Jan 22, 2018 |
vaxx:What a pity, when the Atheist mind is gripped in the vice of scientific superstitions. I am not in the habit of derailing globe shaking Threads, so let us examine the HIDDEN TRUTHS contained in the OP. Many thanks to JacksonD7 |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 10:19am On Jan 22, 2018 |
frank317:Thanks for asking. Yes I do feel like a madman while talking to you. Calm down 317, you may know a lot about surfing but higher truth or ultimate philosophy is at present out of your grasp. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by dalaman: 10:25am On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:When you have NOTHING to say you keep jumping from one place to another like a shameless frog. The prohets or Baal did NOT believe in Yahweh. Yahweh wanted to make himself known to them, to them he was a false God according to the story. They wanted to show that their God was real and Yahweh was not. Paul was a christian hater according to the story. Even today we have atheist that claim Yahweh appeared to them and they became christians example Dr Eben Alexander whose story you posted here before. Which condition did Dr Eben Alexander meet as an atheist before Yahweh appeared to him and took him to heaven and other universes as he claimed. Just accept that you goofed and do NOT know what you are talking about. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 10:33am On Jan 22, 2018 |
frank317:Are you comparing Paul with a drol like the modern day prophet of Atheism, Satanist Richard Dawkins and Harris ? |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 10:48am On Jan 22, 2018 |
vaxx:No, I certainly don't agree that your time and wisdom was wasted here Sir. There are many unwary youth that will walk away from your Threads enlightened and with a clear sense of direction. AMANDLA !! |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 11:04am On Jan 22, 2018*. Modified: 11:50am On Jan 22, 2018 |
dalaman:let me do justice to your assumptions.... yes, some aspect of mathematics are generally the same all over the world. for example 2+2=4 . this can be term as objective mathematical truth. But, in fact, it is only true relative to a certain set of proposition. You and I are free to choose different precept, and 2+2=4 may be false for me but true for you. So, it is clearly not a completely objective truth.it is a just a kind of agreement to achieved mental convenience.... mathematical truth depends on our free subjective choice of axioms , it is not completely objective. However, if we both adopt the same axioms, we will both necessarily agree upon what is true and what is false. In that sense, mathematical truth is objective, but only if we agree to regulate our subjective choices in the same way. you can read further here https://www.google.com.gh/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiFkMrtoOvYAhWIJuwKHXklCOcQFgguMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmath.vanderbilt.edu%2Fschectex%2Fccc%2Fchoice.html&usg=AOvVaw0a--5bbbCCF4zBXIzlsLYY Now, let dive into objectivity in science. using the empirical model, a 100-yard length of a football field is an example of an objective truth that most people agree upon . But, in fact, according to relativity, intervals of length are only well defined relative to our choice of reference frame. Such choice is a free, subjective choice. You can choose one frame, and I can choose another. And the football field will have one length in your frame and another length in mine. We can say the length of the field is objective only if we agree to tailor our subjective choice of reference frame in the same way, e.g., we both adopt the frame of the football field. the example i made here point out to the fact that we can treat something as objective only to the extent that we define and explicitly specify the subjective conditions under which it is defined or measured. Objectivity arises as the result of imposing common agreement on subjective choices in our definitions and procedures. i will end by saying The objective arises by constraining the subjective. you can read further here again........https://www.google.com.gh/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjikea-pevYAhXQ1qQKHXceA7QQFghAMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphysics.bu.edu%2Fpy106%2Fnotes%2FRelativity.html&usg=AOvVaw1wg4lFkjC6rYe1VwmBb-KWhttps://www.google.com.gh/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjikea-pevYAhXQ1qQKHXceA7QQFghAMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphysics.bu.edu%2Fpy106%2Fnotes%2FRelativity.html&usg=AOvVaw1wg4lFkjC6rYe1VwmBb-KW your question.....i put in quote ''Is there any thing about religion any religion or its doctrine that is acceptable the world over, and when people study it they will all accept and come to the same conclusion?'' dalaman my reply ..... NO, even within the religion, there is no general acceptable dogma....Christianity and Islam are divided into many set today because of the difference in their subjective views...... |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 11:07am On Jan 22, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:lol @ higher truth. which one is higher truth again. You can make up words for all I care, show your God exists. We are tired of your excuses. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 11:09am On Jan 22, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Of course... your God has been creating psychopaths throughout history. satan, paul, hitler, richard dawkins... the hand work of yahweh |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 11:12am On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Listen to yourself, how does the statement above make sense. You want to runaway from your shadow? |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 11:26am On Jan 22, 2018 |
[s]author=dalaman post=64412427] When you have NOTHING to say you keep jumping from one place to another like a shameless frog[/s]. The prohets or Baal did NOT believe in Yahweh. Yahweh wanted to make himself known to them, to them he was a false God according to the story.Once again and as usual you fail to think. The prophets of Baal did not believe in Yahweh is quite different from THE PROPHETS OF BAAL DID NOT BELIEVE THAT YAHWEH EXISTS (which is what atheism is) You cannot eat your cake and have it. They knew he existed same way they knew Baal existed but simply chose to believe in Baal. They wanted to show that their God was real and Yahweh was not.Your Bible must be written in a language you cannot understand . It was actually Elijah who threw them a challenge to prove that THEIR OWN GOD KNOWN AS BAAL WAS IMAGINARY and not the other way around. Paul was a christian hater according to the storyPaul was a follower of the law. He believed God existed but through the eyes of the Old Testament law. Paul’s post conversion correspondence to various churches reveal even more about his background. In his second letter to the church in Corinth, Paul describes himself as a Hebrew, an Israelite, and a descendant of Abraham (2 Corinthians 11:22). In his letter to the Philippian church, Paul says he was a Pharisee of the tribe of Benjamin (Philippians 3:5). Even today we have atheist that claim Yahweh appeared to them and they became christians example Dr Eben Alexander whose story you posted here before. Which condition did Dr Eben Alexander meet as an atheist before Yahweh appeared to him and took him to heaven and other universes as he claimed. Just accept that you goofed and do NOT know what you are talking about.Eben Alexander while dying uttered a very sincere and now famous quote coming from an atheist. HE SAID "GOD HELP ME". He believed in God while on his death bed and God turned up at the very last second for him. Plus he remembers a voice telling him 3 times to PRAY TO GOD. He refused twice before agreeing begrudgingly to do so at the 3rd prompting. He argued firstly that praying to God was a cop out since he never believed in God and could not remember any prayers so what manner of request was that? He called it A STUPID IDEA THAT DOESN'T WORK. but after the 3rd prompting he begin trying to remember psalm 23 in a scattered order and began reciting what he could remember from it. You are clearly lost and confused. Continue typing without thinking. ![]() |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 11:31am On Jan 22, 2018*. Modified: 1:46pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:i ask him to read an article , instead of him to read and understand. he is looking for where precisely the article make the distinct difrence of objective and subjective....if he arrive becoming an atheist through this attitude, then he can never find GOD..... i do not want to say he lacks understanding...... |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 11:33am On Jan 22, 2018 |
frank317:I am only responsible for what I type and not what you understand. If failure to understand simple things is plaguing you then get it solved. I believe what I typed were simple everyday words used in simple everyday English. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 11:35am On Jan 22, 2018 |
vaxx:He does not know what inference means and how they are gotten. All they want is to have something spelt out to them like kindergarten children and you wonder how intelligent these people truly are. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 11:55am On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Oga start thinking your words through before you type. If they were prophets that proclaim the will of their God and not Yahweh, how did that not make them against Yahweh. Does that make them think Yahweh is real? Why didnt he let them be instead of trying to prove himself to them. Oga u no get point. People who proclaim the will of their gods are now important to yahweh? But now he cant show himself to atheists who dont think he is real? you are as confused and petty as your God |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by dalaman: 12:00pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:They knew that Baal and Yahweh existed according to you but Elijah still threw a challenge to them to show that that Baal was imaginary eh? Well done. Why isn't Yahweh proving to the muslims and Hindus that their Gods are imaginary? When will the contest with Muslims take place? You are a joke. Paul was a follower of the law. He believed God existed but through the eyes of the Old Testament law. Paul’s post conversion correspondence to various churches reveal even more about his background. In his second letter to the church in Corinth, Paul describes himself as a Hebrew, an Israelite, and a descendant of Abraham (2 Corinthians 11:22). In his letter to the Philippian church, Paul says he was a Pharisee of the tribe of Benjamin (Philippians 3:5).He didn't believe in the Jesus God and persecuted those that did accordingto the story. What condition did he meet? Eben Alexander while dying uttered a very sincere and now famous quote coming from an atheist. HE SAID "GOD HELP ME". He believed in God while on his death bed and God turned up at the very last second for him. Plus he remembers a voice telling him 3 times to PRAY TO GOD. He refused twice before agreeing begrudgingly to do so at the 3rd prompting. He argued firstly that praying to God was a cop out since he never believed in God and could not remember any prayers so what manner of request was that? He called it A STUPID IDEA THAT DOESN'T WORK. but after the 3rd prompting he begin trying to remember psalm 23 in a scattered order and began reciting what he could remember from it.Dr Eben Alexander can not be said to be an atheist since according to you he believes in God. Paul Gill sys he was an atheist and Jesus appeared to him and took him to hell when he was high on crystal meth. He claimed Jesus revvealed himself to him as an atheist. Which condition did he meet? |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by dalaman: 12:02pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
frank317:If his Gof only reveals himself to other God believera, then why is Yahweh not proving himself to the billions of Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto etc? Butterflylion is a joke. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 12:07pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
frank317:I wonder how people can be so proud to display their idiocy openly. When they know nothing they still wish to argue foolishly. 1st kings chapter 18 from verse 16 16] So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. [17] When he saw Elijah, he said to him, "Is that you, you troubler of Israel?"You can finish the chapter at your own discretion. From that verse you can see that ISRAEL was a covenanted nation to Yahweh but when Ahab became king he got influenced by other gods, particularly the god called Baal and he took upon himself the prophets of Baal who began directing him as Baal wanted and no longer as Yahweh his original God wanted and this was why the only surviving prophet of Yahweh at that time Elijah confronted them because a Nation was at stake. I wonder if you people read with your eyes closed or with your heads stuck in a bucket. Never thinking, never truthfully analysing, never researching but always talking authoritatively about what they have no clue of. SMH. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 12:10pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
dalaman:Imagine the petty excuse they give for their God. Yahweh actually told him that the reason he will not prove himself to atheist is because they have refused to first have faith he exists. Yet the same Yahweh will quickly run to prove himself to people who proclaim their own God is real. such a cry baby God. You create a world and suddenly become confused on how to handle your creations. He is more scared of people proclaiming other Gods than people who say he does not exists. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 12:16pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
author=dalaman post=64414948]Take a cue from my response to Franky. I don't like repeating things to deliberately stûpid people. Why isn't Yahweh proving to the muslims and Hindus that their Gods are imaginary? When will the contest with Muslims take place? You are a joke. So now it's Allah and no longer Baal. Continue swimming in high blood pressure. He didn't believe in the Jesus God and persecuted those that did accordingto the story. What condition did he meet?He still does not understand a very well explained comment from me so now it's Jesus God and not Yahweh or God. So Jesus has his own God. ![]() If from my post you do not know who a Pharisee is and what he represents let me teach you as the kindergarten minded person you are. Pharisee noun a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity. Pharisees are upholders of the law and believers in God and not like atheists who say God does not exist. The only thing about Saul aka Paul was his burning passion for the law so could not stand the law which he represented to be messed with by the followers of Jesus which was not the fault of the followers of Jesus but was as a result of his ignorance about who Jesus was and why he came and how the same law he upheld was fulfilled by Christ. It was AFTER he came to know Jesus in his Damascus experience that everything became clear to him. Dr Eben Alexander can not be said to be an atheist since according to you he believes in God. Paul Gill sys he was an atheist and Jesus appeared to him and took him to hell when he was high on crystal meth. He claimed Jesus revvealed himself to him as an atheist. Which condition did he meet?Eben Alexander never believed in God. HE BELIEVED IN GOD AT THE POINT OF HIS DEATH AND NOT BEFORE. i wonder where you saw me say he believes in God? So now it's Paul Gill? ![]() Regarding Paul Gill you lied so shamelessly that Jesus took him to hell. You can read about Paul Gills experience here below http://blog.godreports.com/2015/05/atheist-saw-demons-for-two-days-in-hellish-vision-then-jesus-brought-rescue/ Show me where Jesus First took him to hell. Bloody lying dalaman the salamander |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 12:56pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:you are just talking too much without making any single point. how has all what you typed up there shown that your God make more sense by proving himself only to people who proclaim their own Gods and not prove himself to people who have not reason to think he exists? Ok, even if Israel was a covenant nation, what is he doing about the other religions in the country at the moment? Are they not proclaiming their own Gods? whats stopping him form proving himself to them? Is the nation not at stake now? are lives of people not at stake? Guy go sit down abeg. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 1:03pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
frank317:It's obvious all I have been saying has found no way of barging into where your stashed your common sense away. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 1:58pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Its obvious your excuses for your skydaddy aint excusable enough. Stop twisting words when the obvious is staring your right there in ur face |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 2:08pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
frank317:You must mean the obvious that was staring at you right in your face yet you typed that cockamamie comment of yours up there. Nobody needs to twist words when speaking with you. Your brain is twisted enough as it is. |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 2:16pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:ahhhhh.... Yahweh yahweh. Call his name over and over again. He will not even come here and help u out. you are on ur own. Continue making nonsensical excuses for your so called Almighty every every. Both u and yahweh no get shame |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 2:24pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
frank317:LMAO why would he come here to help me out? From what and from whom? YOU? ![]() You see, even though it seems I am seriously chatting with you here I am actually using you for laughs on a 1hr break. When humans like me take you as a comic side piece do you think God would have a serious face on right about now? ![]() Obvious deliberate foolishness is always funny and you have a self afflicted version so again, why would God take you a farcical being seriously? ![]() |
| Re: Atheism Is A Religion by frank317: 2:39pm On Jan 22, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Eyaa... He really does not exist. Take heart. I like you sha,your mind runs really wild. SMH, imagin an imaginery being taking me seriously. You no well. |
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. It was actually Elijah who threw them a challenge to prove that THEIR OWN GOD KNOWN AS BAAL WAS IMAGINARY and not the other way around. 