₦airaland Forum

Where in Africa does a small child take meat before his Siniyo Buroda?
Ehn? Where?

You love the Yorubas? It's just hard to believe that an ibo will say what is coming from you. Are you sure you are not half n half and trying to bring your parents together? So if you love Yoruba, where have you been all along? And because I would consider people like you when next I'm responding to tribal bashing here, you need to do better by pointing out your people's wrongdoings to them.

Neatboy:
Envying keh! I don't have that evil seed of envy. Simply put: I love the Yorubas even with their faults and I as well love my people even with their attitudes. I just wish that a day will come when it will be so glaring to everyone in this part of the world that we can not do without each other.

STAMOS:
Northern Nigeria is united and dominated by the largest group which is Hausa/Fulani. Hausa Fulani influence overwhelms the smaller tribes of the north - Hausa covers the North.Hausa is the face of the North . Islamic religion which is the dominant religion encourages sodality than Christianity.

Southern Dynamics : Igbo and Yoruba have almost the same population size. No southern group is dominant enough to cover entire South. Even if Nigeria is divided into north ,west and east. Hausa has dominance over north, Yoruba has dominance over west. Igbo has no dominance over East(including the southern geographical area) .
Christianity doesn't encourage sodality.

Thesis : Southern Nigerian unification is unrealistic and impractical

.whr did you get ur fact, hope u did not fget the 3million dat ojukwu sacrifice for his personal ego.

The problem is too far gone.
If you think it can be resolved, you are a clown....
There MUST be retribution for the wrongs the treacherous Yorubas did South East.

DerideGull:
Most Yari.ba peeps are imbecilely deluded. How on earth would Igbo person want to be a loudmouthed creature? The Yoruba Buba and Sokoto are for those who tend to visit restrooms quite often. It is nice to see that the Yari.ba have stopped the desecration of their faces. They learnt from the abuse Igbo people had leveled on them from carving cheeks and faces. Who would want be like a person who sleeps with a pot of shit (human feces) in a room?

Dende Iku.
How is the new sanatorium?

phreakabit:
The problem is too far gone.
If you think it can be resolved, you are a clown....
There MUST be retribution for the wrongs the treacherous Yorubas did South East.

The goat is angry and stamping it's feet will that bring about amnesty from the owner?
Ewure

omonnakoda:
The goat is angry and stamping it's feet will that bring about amnesty from the owner?
Ewure

Get proper education (Not the Awo type)
Learn to properly phrase a sentence
Then come back and talk to me.
Illiterate.

That's what's making you obsessed with Yoruba. We have unburrowed dressing style you are now burrowing from us. We have urban region you are trooping to. We are people you want to be. When you talk of dirty, you still have the dirtiest region despite being empty and over-populating mine. Shut your sorry ass, you wish to be me. From Nigeria to Thailand they know you to be the worst of mankind. The nysc has exposed you to be people who drink from the same well you poo in, so shush already.

DerideGull:
Most Yari.ba peeps are imbecilely deluded. How on earth would Igbo person want to be a loudmouthed creature? The Yoruba Buba and Sokoto are for those who tend to visit restrooms quite often. It is nice to see that the Yari.ba have stopped the desecration of their faces. They learnt from the abuse Igbo people had leveled on them from carving cheeks and faces. Who would want be like a person who sleeps with a pot of shit (human feces) in a room?

phreakabit:
Get proper education (Not the Awo type)
Learn to properly phrase a sentence
Then come back and talk to me.
Illiterate.

Ok I will try again

Ewu ne be akwa

Ahmad658:
Mind what you are saying...........

and what will you do? Is it a lie? it is truth that fools from the west and east haven't realised just yet, but I am guessing very soon, all that will be a thing of the past. Thanks to Buhari!

ycat:
The word 'Agbada' is exclusively Yoruba. No other tribe in Africa wear Agbada except Yoruba and you know it. Hausa of Nigeria and Fulani of wherever don't have or called anything Agbada just something similar but totally different. Yoruba are a complete people unlike you who have nothing to give to the world. We have Agbada, they have Babariga. We have fila, they have Hula. And we have Aso oke and Ashantis have Kente. Yoruba represent well in all what it take to be a nation, we didn't burrow anything from anyone except Christianity/Islam but we still have our own religion.

That is exactly the point I made but you have a comprehension problem. The word "agbada" is a Yoruba word. It doesn't mean it was invented by Yorubas. They simply slightly (very slightly) modified a cotton kaftan attire that tribes throughout West/Sahelian Africa have been rocking for several generations before it ever got to Yoruba land through Hausa and Fulani merchants that were already wearing the babariga which the so-called "agbada" copied from.
So trying to use the agbada as some evidence of your unique civilization is nonsensical. The Arabs brought it to Africa and it was copied by the Maghrebis/Berbers from whom tribes in Sahelian Africa like the Malian and Songhai empires brought it to sub-saharan Africa, from where the Hausas/Fulanis copied it and then the Yorubas copied it from Hausa-Fulanis. Different tribes simply applied their own artistic variations on the kaftan and you're here chest-beating about nothing.
We had no early version of the kaftan because South Eastern tribes had little historical contact with Northerners/Muslims. The cotton material is also not native or conducive to be cultivated in the equatorial and humid tropics of the Eastern region.

Again, continue deluding yourself with supremacist bullshiit.

Obi1kenobi:
That is exactly the point I made but you have a comprehension problem. The word "agbada" is a Yoruba word. It doesn't mean it was invented by Yorubas. They simply slightly (very slightly) modified a cotton kaftan attire that tribes throughout West/Sahelian Africa have been rocking for several generations before it ever got to Yoruba land through Hausa and Fulani merchants that were already wearing the babariga which the so-called "agbada" copied from.
So trying to use the agbada as some evidence of your unique civilization is nonsensical. The Arabs brought it to Africa and it was copied by the Maghrebis/Berbers from whom tribes in Sahelian Africa like the Malian and Songhai empires brought it to sub-saharan Africa, from where the Hausas/Fulanis copied it and then the Yorubas copied it from Hausa-Fulanis. Different tribes simply applied their own artistic variations on the kaftan and you're here chest-beating about nothing.
We had no early version of the kaftan because South Eastern tribes had little historical contact with Northerners/Muslims. The cotton material is also not native or conducive to be cultivated in the equatorial and humid tropics of the Eastern region.

Again, continue deluding yourself with supremacist bullshiit.

Who is this revisionist from a cloth less bush tribe?

Imagine the nonsense "not condusive to be cultivated...............". Tell us your ancestors were walking around naked.
Check out any pre-1950 pictures and show me a clothed igboman. Oya!

You can't burrow something and give it a different name, so shush your nonsense.
Again Agbada is exclusively Yoruba, name and style, end of story. What's ibos traditional wear that others can wear, nothing, you only burrow, you have nothing to give to the world. The convoluted epistle isn't going to help you. Yoruba wears are iconic world over. What is yours?

Obi1kenobi:
That is exactly the point I made but you have a comprehension problem. The word "agbada" is a Yoruba word. It doesn't mean it was invented by Yorubas. They simply slightly (very slightly) modified a cotton kaftan attire that tribes throughout West/Sahelian Africa have been rocking for several generations before it ever got to Yoruba land through Hausa and Fulani merchants that were already wearing the babariga which the so-called "agbada" copied from.
So trying to use the agbada as some evidence of your unique civilization is nonsensical. The Arabs brought it to Africa and it was copied by the Maghrebis/Berbers from whom tribes in Sahelian Africa like the Malian and Songhai empires brought it to sub-saharan Africa, from where the Hausas/Fulanis copied it and then the Yorubas copied it from Hausa-Fulanis. Different tribes simply applied their own artistic variations on the kaftan and you're here chest-beating about nothing.
We had no early version of the kaftan because South Eastern tribes had little historical contact with Northerners/Muslims. The cotton material is also not native or conducive to be cultivated in the equatorial and humid tropics of the Eastern region.

Again, continue deluding yourself with supremacist bullshiit.

ycat:
You can't burrow something and give it a different name, so shush your nonsense.
Again Agbada is exclusively Yoruba, name and style, end of story. What's ibos traditional wear that others can wear, nothing, you only burrow, you have nothing to give to the world. The convoluted epistle isn't going to help you. Yoruba wears are iconic world over. What is yours?

Burrow? If you're going to be an ethnic supremacist, at least try to sound literate.
Repeating the same garbage won't make it true. Your agbada is simply babariga that you copied from Hausas/Fulanis and gave a Yoruba name and then come here to beat your sunken chest over your phony claims.

ChidiAlaigbo:
Who is this revisionist from a cloth less bush tribe?

Imagine the nonsense "not condusive to be cultivated...............". Tell us your ancestors were walking around naked.
Check out any pre-1950 pictures and show me a clothed igboman. Oya!

Yeah, I'm sure Nnamdi Azikiwe was a naked man. Why not show us what you were wearing in your villages pre-1950?

If my account is "revisionist", come out with your own account. Ignorant comedians that actually think the agbada is a Yoruba invention. What next? Fufu is a Yoruba invention too.

Obi1kenobi:
Burrow? If you're going to be an ethnic supremacist, at least try to sound literate.
Repeating the same garbage won't make it true. Your agbada is simply babariga that you copied from Hausas/Fulanis and gave a Yoruba name and then come here to beat your sunken chest over your phony claims.

Which one did anybody copy from you?

Obi1kenobi:
Yeah, I'm sure Nnamdi Azikiwe was a naked man. Why not show us what you were wearing in your villages pre-1950?

If my account is "revisionist", come out with your own account. Ignorant comedians that actually think the agbada is a Yoruba invention. What next? Fufu is a Yoruba invention too.

Oyo Empire.

ycat:
You love the Yorubas? It's just hard to believe that an ibo will say what is coming from you. Are you sure you are not half n half and trying to bring your parents together? So if you love Yoruba, where have you been all along? And because I would consider people like you when next I'm responding to tribal bashing here, you need to do better by pointing out your people's wrongdoings to them.

This is the hardest sentence to make: I am sorry. And this is the most common sentence that humans have used for centuries to deceive each other: I Love You. I have been on Nairaland for years now and I have never criticized any ethnic nationality. My both parents are Igbos. Seriously, I have gotten education and I truly know its essence. As long as we didn't create ourselves. As long as we didn't choose our ethnic groupings-- we just found ourselves in a divide. As long as when an Igbo man dies he will not be buried in the air but in the ground like other people. If a Yoruba man is involved in a plane crash that kills all, he won't be exempted because he's a Yoruba man. He would definitely perish alongside the other nationals. To me, there is nothing special about being a Yoruba man or being an Igbo man, because both grow old, live, and perish. I see life entirely differently. There are things that we don't have power over. If so, then lets stop acting like God seek our opinion before putting us in that family or tribe. For instance, two years ago I saw an Hausa young man at Iyanoba, Lagos, carrying over ten big watermelons. It was so heavy that I almost wept when I saw the way he was even struggling to take a step. Immediately I started wondering, and started asking myself, if God had created me in the family of a Fulani herder what would have become of me? If I had not seen myself in a community that places high value on education what would I have done? I could have been the one carrying these watermelons. There is nothing special about me except that I have Christ in me. I have seen great people with titles and with academic excellence dying like chickens. They fall sick, bedridden, and die yet with all the qualifications. That is why I still wonder why people take irrelevant issues serious--- Like arguing which tribe is more beautiful. Which tribe eats good food more. Which tribe is more resourceful or industrious. These only whip up sentiment, ego and superiority complex.

So, from the bottom of my heart I love Yorubas. I love them with their faults and I love my own people with their faults too. I have Igbo friends that had disappointed me but it never made me say all Igbos are a disappointment. I have Yoruba friends that had also done same. But I don't see it as a Yoruba problem but as human problem because it is common.

ChidiAlaigbo:
Which one did anybody copy from you?

What does that have to do with your phony claims that agbada is your native attire you invented, when several tribes across the Sahelian regions of West Africa have worn it long before you and you copied it through contact with Hausas/Fulanis? It's like an Igbo man claiming they invented the woolly hat some of them wear, or Ijaws claiming the bowler hat is native to them. Claiming agbada is native to Yorubas in a fraudulent claim. That's a fact your deluded ego has to deal with.

Obi1kenobi:
What does that have to do with your phony claims that agbada is your native attire you invented, when several tribes across the Sahelian regions of West Africa have worn it long before you and you copied it through contact with Hausas/Fulanis? It's like an Igbo man claiming they invented the woolly hat some of them wear, or Ijaws claiming the bowler hat is native to them. Claiming agbada is native to Yorubas in a fraudulent claim. That's a fact your deluded ego has to deal with.

Your ancestors were unclad......we built an empire with a standing army with armoury.

ChidiAlaigbo:
Your ancestors were unclad......we built an empire with a standing army with armoury.

An "empire" that was still as primitive as our "unclad bush dwellers". What kind of empire is that.
Before the colonialists came here, you couldn't read or write (even our bush dwellers had Nsibidi calligraphy). Dwelt in the same mud and thatch as our Eastern bush dwellers. You lived by the ocean but could never navigate it like our bush dwellers. You had no scientific/technological accomplishments like our bush dwellers. Basically, you were just as primitive as our naked bush dwellers. So what good was your so-called "empire"? Sure, you had some tribal chiefs slaughtering each other in endless wars and consolidating their power in expanding their territory. But what did they accomplish for posterity?

In the end, your advancement (and yes, I do believe Yorubas are the most successful tribe in Nigeria because I'm an honest person) depended on the simple fact you were the geographical gateway for the Western colonialists and had first contact with them and profited from Western education and trade through your ports. It had nothing to do with any primitive "empire" you built.

Obi1kenobi:
An "empire" that was still as primitive as our "unclad bush dwellers". What kind of empire is that.
Before the colonialists came here, you couldn't read or write (even our bush dwellers had Nsibidi calligraphy). Dwelt in the same mud and thatch as our Eastern bush dwellers. You lived by the ocean but could never navigate it like our bush dwellers. You had no scientific/technological accomplishments like our bush dwellers. Basically, you were just as primitive as our naked bush dwellers. So what good was your so-called "empire"? Sure, you had some tribal chiefs slaughtering each other in endless wars and consolidating their power in expanding their territory. But what did they accomplish for posterity?

In the end, your advancement (and yes, I do believe Yorubas are the most successful tribe in Nigeria because I'm an honest person) depended on the simple fact you were the geographical gateway for the Western colonialists and had first contact with them and profited from Western education and trade through your ports. It had nothing to do with any primitive "empire" you built.

Go and play with your mates in Congo........bush pepole.

Wow! So refreshing!! Totally thought provoking!

Though it's been hell to pay here with tribal bashing, in honesty I never saw any hatred from Igbos till I came to nairaland and I've asked myself maybe it happened but I overlooked it or something. You are also in the minority. I don't hate Igbos and with my takeaway from this, I just wish we can be civil with each other.

Neatboy:
This is the hardest sentence to make: I am sorry. And this is the most common sentence that humans have used for centuries to deceive each other: I Love You. I have been on Nairaland for years now and I have never criticized any ethnic nationality. My both parents are Igbos. Seriously, I have gotten education and I truly know its essence. As long as we didn't create ourselves. As long as we didn't choose our ethnic groupings-- we just found ourselves in a divide. As long as when an Igbo man dies he will not be buried in the air but in the ground like other people. If a Yoruba man is involved in a plane crash that kills all, he won't be exempted because he's a Yoruba man. He would definitely perish alongside the other nationals. To me, there is nothing special about being a Yoruba man or being an Igbo man, because both grow old, live, and perish. I see life entirely differently. There are things that we don't have power over. If so, then lets stop acting like God seek our opinion before putting us in that family or tribe. For instance, two years ago I saw an Hausa young man at Iyanoba, Lagos, carrying over ten big watermelons. It was so heavy that I almost wept when I saw the way he was even struggling to take a step. Immediately I started wondering, and started asking myself, if God had created me in the family of a Fulani herder what would have become of me? If I had not seen myself in a community that places high value on education what would I have done? I could have been the one carrying these watermelons. There is nothing special about me except that I have Christ in me. I have seen great people with titles and with academic excellence dying like chickens. They fall sick, bedridden, and die yet with all the qualifications. That is why I still wonder why people take irrelevant issues serious--- Like arguing which tribe is more beautiful. Which tribe eats good food more. Which tribe is more resourceful or industrious. These only whip up sentiment, ego and superiority complex.

So, from the bottom of my heart I love Yorubas. I love them with their faults and I love my own people with their faults too. I have Igbo friends that had disappointed me but it never made me say all Igbos are a disappointment. I have Yoruba friends that had also done same. But I don't see it as a Yoruba problem but as human problem because it is common.

Obi1kenobi:
That is exactly the point I made but you have a comprehension problem. The word "agbada" is a Yoruba word. It doesn't mean it was invented by Yorubas. They simply slightly (very slightly) modified a cotton kaftan attire that tribes throughout West/Sahelian Africa have been rocking for several generations before it ever got to Yoruba land through Hausa and Fulani merchants that were already wearing the babariga which the so-called "agbada" copied from.
So trying to use the agbada as some evidence of your unique civilization is nonsensical. The Arabs brought it to Africa and it was copied by the Maghrebis/Berbers from whom tribes in Sahelian Africa like the Malian and Songhai empires brought it to sub-saharan Africa, from where the Hausas/Fulanis copied it and then the Yorubas copied it from Hausa-Fulanis. Different tribes simply applied their own artistic variations on the kaftan and you're here chest-beating about nothing.
We had no early version of the kaftan because South Eastern tribes had little historical contact with Northerners/Muslims. The cotton material is also not native or conducive to be cultivated in the equatorial and humid tropics of the Eastern region.

Again, continue deluding yourself with supremacist bullshiit.

Uncle,
First of all 70% of Yorubas are of Middle eastern /North African origin(proven genetically). What we now call the Agbada or BabanRiga is just a desert/arid clothing designed to help conserve body fluid and prevent dehydration in arid / desert regions. Gradually over time the clothing evolved to be more stylish and royal.

Hence,
Every single tribe of middle eastern origins have their own variation / style of the "Agbada".It is a shared heritage of tribes and cultures that originated from that region.

Basically,
its historically impossible to alienate the Yoruba's from the Agbada neither can one dispute the originality/nativity of the Gele(Head gear), Buba(Top) and Iro(wrapper) worn by Yoruba women.

Also,
All Nigerian cultural attires are beautiful and unique in their own way. No cultural attire of any Nigerian tribe is superior to another. #One Nigeria!!

Btw,
Here are some variations of the Agbada from different cultures around the world that share a common Middle eastern and North African origin.


1 -> ARABS
2 -> Touareg
3 -> Sudaneese
4 -> Yoruba

ONE NIGERIA!!

ChidiAlaigbo:
OP

Please tell me which igbo fashion yorubas copy?

Liar........yoruba no dey rock any igbo fashion lai lai.

We don dey wear our well designed clothes for centuries before some left the jungle.

You that is already copying their name is enough evidence
so he is not lying

The problem is that Yoruba capitalize on Biafran war and never want to see an Igbo man up the ladder of Nigerian politics, they want all the development in the south to be in the west, they are afraid of viable international airport or sea port in the SE or SS.

Obi1kenobi:
An "empire" that was still as primitive as our "unclad bush dwellers". What kind of empire is that.
Before the colonialists came here, you couldn't read or write (even our bush dwellers had Nsibidi calligraphy). Dwelt in the same mud and thatch as our Eastern bush dwellers. You lived by the ocean but could never navigate it like our bush dwellers. You had no scientific/technological accomplishments like our bush dwellers. Basically, you were just as primitive as our naked bush dwellers. So what good was your so-called "empire"? Sure, you had some tribal chiefs slaughtering each other in endless wars and consolidating their power in expanding their territory. But what did they accomplish for posterity?

In the end, your advancement (and yes, I do believe Yorubas are the most successful tribe in Nigeria because I'm an honest person) depended on the simple fact you were the geographical gateway for the Western colonialists and had first contact with them and profited from Western education and trade through your ports. It had nothing to do with any primitive "empire" you built.

Uncle stop lying,
Historically its impossible to use the word Primitive and Yoruba in the same context.

Ok, here are a few of the unique cultural advancements of the Yoruba divided into three broad fields (Philosophy and Mythology, Literature, Art and Encryption,Science and Computing):

1 The Yoruba Pantheon and Mythology
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The Yoruba pantheon which consist of 400 gods is the largest pantheon in the world known as the Orisha. Larger than the Greek pantheon(Zeus, Hera, Heracles...), Roman pantheon (Hercules, Jupiter,Venus...) ,Norse Pantheon(Thor, Loki,Odin), Egyptian Pantheon (Oris, Isis, Osiris,Anubis...)

Also,
The Yoruba Pantheon of Gods and Mythology is not only the largest but also arguably the most original of all the Pantheons. Because Greek and Roman Mythology are basically the same, also Egyptian and Norse mythology have very similar characters and origins. The Yoruba pantheon on the other hand is very unique and most gods in the pantheon have distinct traits, roles and characteristics.Only the Indian Mythology and pantheon can rival it.


2) Literature, Art and Encryption:


Yorubas also invented one of the most complex encrypted symbolic languages called the Aroko which was used by Elite societies within the Yoruba tribe to communicate confidential and classified state affairs. The Yoruba Aroko is usually likened to the great Egyptian Hieroglyphics by many archaeologist and ancient scholars.


Science and Computing


The Yorubas also invented a very advanced and complex divination system known as ODU IFA or opele which is very similar to Quantum computing and Hill Climbing Algorithm in Artificial Intelligence.
Ifá is practiced throughout the Americas, West Africa, and the Canary Islands, in the form of a complex religious system, and plays a critical role in the traditions of Santería, Candomblé, Palo, Umbanda, Vodou, and other Afro-American faiths, as well as in some traditional African religions.

Also, Vodoo (Black Magic) originated from the Yorubas and its a form of Metaphysics.


The Great OYO Empire


The Oyo Empire was a Yoruba empire of what is today Western and North central Nigeria. Established in the 15th century, the Oyo Empire grew to become one of the largest West African states. It rose through the outstanding organizational and administrative skills of the Yoruba people, wealth gained from trade and its powerful cavalry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire

Unfortunately,
[/b]i dont have time to touch on several other areas like our Tradions, Beliefs of the Afterlife, Cosmology and Yoruba arts which was mistaken for remains of [b]Atlantis. Here is a short article about it on CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/21/kingdom.ife.sculptures/index.html


Also,
I believe no culture / tribe in Nigeria is superior to another we are all unique and special in our own different ways. Hence trying to bash another person's cultural heritage is a sign of internalized inferiority complex. Stop it!!

Btw,
Here is a short and interesting Animation done by Crash Course studios in America on a Yoruba Pantheon and Mythology



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2se_zimj40

ycat:
Wow! So refreshing!! Totally thought provoking!

Though it's been hell to pay here with tribal bashing, in honesty I never saw any hatred from Igbos till I came to nairaland and I've asked myself maybe it happened but I overlooked it or something. You are also in the minority. I don't hate Igbos and with my takeaway from this, I just wish we can be civil with each other.

Yes brother, we need to start seeing each other as brothers. If religion does not bind us together as brothers at least humanity does. It is crystal clear that we'll all give account to our Father whatsoever we've done so far. Words are seeds and words are swords. Our words can divide, kill and destroy. You don't need to stab someone to kill, one's word is capable of doing much harm like AK47. We might say something and think it's just a mere word. No! No word is a mere word. Once it is planted in the heart of your neighbour, you'll definitely reap it now based on reaction or in the nearest future based on relationship.

DerideGull:
Arrant nonsense. There is nothing such as Hausa/Fulani. It is Hausa or Fulani.

I am afraid that there is actually Hausa fulani, with over 10 million fulanis linguistically and culturally hausanized but who still claim Fulani heritage and identity, am afraid that both have become inseperable to a large extent in the Nigerian context.

ycat:
You love the Yorubas? It's just hard to believe that an ibo will say what is coming from you. Are you sure you are not half n half and trying to bring your parents together? So if you love Yoruba, where have you been all along? And because I would consider people like you when next I'm responding to tribal bashing here, you need to do better by pointing out your people's wrongdoings to them.

I have no problem with Yorubas... I am currently typing this from one of the South West states... The hatred only exist on nairaland, not offline.