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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:59am On Feb 04, 2018
Icon4s:


Kog45, you said TheGoodJoe never ridiculed Ezenwa, and he also started the comparison see for yourself.

You said Ezenwa was exceptional in the U20. You brought that up. Back then, he was not. He was not even close to the hype of Sam Okoye in his U20 days or Greg Etafia in 2,000.

He was okay, not one of the exceptional talents. That is the point I was making. I am talking about discovering exceptional talents.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:59am On Feb 04, 2018
Now like it's looking like we will not have an experienced keeper at the World Cup, we will have to really work tirelessly on the keepers we have available. Enyeama did not make the move this January, hence will most likely not get enough games under his belt before June. Verdict: out of consideration.

Among the five or so, we have some young GKs with very good potential. While I am not against the likes of Uzoho, Maduka (?) and Alampasu getting the number one shirt, I believe any of this very young GKs will have to show exceptional ability to be given that status. It's a big responsibility to place on them, regardless of how much work is put into them before the World Cup.

We have those who are approaching thirty -- if not in their early thirties already. They have great ability, but will have to be exposed to high pressure games prior to the world cup, so they won't be overwhelmed by the occasion at the World Cup proper. E.g keepers like Ezenwa and Ajiboye.


Now my questions. Can we trust either of the home based keepers to be between the sticks in Russia?

Either way, I think it's a tricky situation. Our defense will have to be really solid.

As an afterthought, how about Dele Aiyenugba of Hapoel Ashkelon (Israeli 1st tier)
Here is his stats for this season so far.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:10am On Feb 04, 2018
Joebie:
Now like it's looking like we will not have an experienced keeper at the World Cup, we will have to really work tirelessly on the keepers we have available. Enyeama did not make the move this January, hence will most likely not get enough games under his belt before June. Verdict: out of consideration.

Among the five or so, we have some young GKs with very good potential. While I am not against the likes of Uzoho, Maduka (?) and Alampasu getting the number one shirt, I believe any of this very young GKs will have to show exceptional ability to be given that status. It's a big responsibility to place on them, regardless of how much work is put into them before the World Cup.

We have those who are approaching thirty -- if not in their early thirties already. They have great ability, but will have to be exposed to high pressure games prior to the world cup, so they won't be overwhelmed by the occasion at the World Cup proper. E.g keepers like Ezenwa and Ajiboye.


Now my questions. Can we trust either of the home based keepers to be between the sticks in Russia?

Either way, I think it's a tricky situation. Our defense will have to be really solid.

As an afterthought, how about Dele Aiyenugba of Hapoel Ashkelon (Israeli 1st tier)
Here is his stats for this season so far.

Screen and select the best. Age, Experience or club status is just sentimental selection. We need the best in goal.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:12am On Feb 04, 2018
I am feeling tbaba1234
Like I am feeling Rohr
That is why I say
tbaba1234 Tuale

Thank you for the love you shared and may love and joy not depart from you and your family.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:12am On Feb 04, 2018
Humility017:

better....after the world.cup bring up the issue.....
from what I have watched so far...besides the goal keepers...none is capable of laying hold to a starting shirt in the SE first 11....

where we have the league....ndidi rose all the way from an academy in Lagos to Europe and today no npfl player can match his abilities...same wit nancho and others...
just few years they have spent in European football colleges they've improved so much....
let alone the likes of Moses, iwobi etc who all their lives..right from tender age..undergo grooming in this football academics...none of our Chan players can play better than iwobi even though they may be older in age...
but the young lad have been groomed, tutored and harnessed to bring out his best...

same process should our Chan players go through...the npfl coaches have really done nothinh to groom this guys..
let them get good clubs in Europe that will school and polish them to suit the need of the round leather game....before we talk of them making the 23 man party to Russia...


you tell me the inclusion of the Chan players in the world cup party for Qatar 2022 I will understand...not Russia 2018.


Football has now become an intellectual exercise. It has become education. Our coaches are far behind.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:14am On Feb 04, 2018
Joebie:
Now like it's looking like we will not have an experienced keeper at the World Cup, we will have to really work tirelessly on the keepers we have available. Enyeama did not make the move this January, hence will most likely not get enough games under his belt before June. Verdict: out of consideration.

Among the five or so, we have some young GKs with very good potential. While I am not against the likes of Uzoho, Maduka (?) and Alampasu getting the number one shirt, I believe any of this very young GKs will have to show exceptional ability to be given that status. It's a big responsibility to place on them, regardless of how much work is put into them before the World Cup.

We have those who are approaching thirty -- if not in their early thirties already. They have great ability, but will have to be exposed to high pressure games prior to the world cup, so they won't be overwhelmed by the occasion at the World Cup proper. E.g keepers like Ezenwa and Ajiboye.


Now my questions. Can we trust either of the home based keepers to be between the sticks in Russia?

Either way, I think it's a tricky situation. Our defense will have to be really solid.

As an afterthought, how about Dele Aiyenugba of Hapoel Ashkelon (Israeli 1st tier)
Here is his stats for this season so far.









On a good day if we based it on activities in Europe and experience Aiyenugba should nick it in the absence of Enyeama but i don't think Rohr led technical team really rate Aiyenugba.

As it's now i don't think Aiyenugba is in the pictures so let's keep on watching what Rohr really have for us but i hope he get it right cos not getting it would be disastrous.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:18am On Feb 04, 2018
AIG07:
Iwobi's haters? I haven't come across one yet. I mean on this thread. Guys are only trying to be realistic and not hating.

On the other hand I have never seen a coach who so much believes, depends and trust young players like Wenger. That man is a COACH and not just a manager.
Thank goodness you said this@Iwobi haters. We have a 'we' against 'them' divide on this thread. Not a bad thing though if we can be civil in our exchanges. Having a monochrome of opinions is no good. Varying opinions, viewpoints and ideas keeps things interesting.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:21am On Feb 04, 2018
Icon4s:


Kog45, you said TheGoodJoe never ridiculed Ezenwa, and he also started the comparison. See for yourself.
OK bros make i kuku dey fence and continue enjoying you guys good analysis.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:23am On Feb 04, 2018
Kog45:
Sir if a keeper concedes a ridiculous goal he would be ridiculed but from you guys discussion so far nothing ridiculous about Ezenwa but Okafor of 2009 was damn ridiculous as a keeper.

If Ajiboye messed up today which i don't pray for,trust Nigerians they w say it without any feelings,Akpeyi still feeling the heat.

I never even mentioned Uche Okafor for any praise.

And yes you are only as good as your last game.

If a player messes up today all the excellent performances he has put up in times past will be forgotten. That is how football fans generally are.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:27am On Feb 04, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


I am not calling for Osimhen. Osimhen had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Get the point. It is too simple.

Due to the challenges our players face because of the Nigerian factor that holds them from reaching the pinnacle of their abilities, the National team handlers should do more hand holding to enable some of them reach their deserved heights.

Do you see Osimhen in the point?
I agree our players need hand holding but don't you think that should be the work of academies? How many times does the national team play in a year. You talking of grooming. My idea of grooming is one that involves constant attention and intense work. National team can be for testing those who have been groomed.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:29am On Feb 04, 2018
Kog45:
OK bros make i kuku dey fence and continue enjoying you guys good analysis.

No o you are free to contribute. Share your views too and let's look all look at it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 7:33am On Feb 04, 2018
Joebie:
Dude looks 39 grin
haba, that's not true, dude looks 17/18
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:39am On Feb 04, 2018
Mujtahida:

I agree our players need hand holding but don't you think that should be the work of academies? How many times does the national team play in a year. You talking of grooming. My idea of grooming is one that involves constant attention and intense work. National team can be for testing those who have been groomed.

Our players need hand holding but our exceptional talents. The ones that stand out that have the ability of being among the very best needs the National team playing their part in helping them grow.

I am talking of the most exceptional talents. Rare gems, special breeds. The camping exercises in the Super Eagles camp will help a lot to whatever they get in their clubs or academies.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:45am On Feb 04, 2018
Icon4s:


No o you are free to contribute. Share your views too and let's look all look at it.
Na joke I dey i don contribute already,hope you see some of my comments.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 7:48am On Feb 04, 2018
fabyom:
Tbaba1234 sent a gift to my son today. I came in now and it was delivered to me. He did not know me from Adam. I felt like crying, no I am actually crying. He said just one statement spread the love. I promise you brother that as long as I have this breath of life I shall spread the love. On behalf of my family I say a very big thank you to you. Favour shall continually follow you and your family all the days of your lives, AMEN.
Please nairalanders help me say a big thank you to tbaba1234.
nice one tbaba1234...

let love lead

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:49am On Feb 04, 2018
sarcasm bro
jihday:
haba, that's not true, dude looks 17/18

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 7:51am On Feb 04, 2018
Joebie:
sarcasm bro
oh, I see.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:53am On Feb 04, 2018
I just wanted to make it a point that this is no longer a player A versus player B debate.

What we have here is a conundrum, if we really must be realistic. I don't trust a home based keeper for the world cup. But should we trust very young keepers like Uzoho, Alampasu or Maduka? For a young keeper, the keeper has to be exceptional. If Rohr has made his decision on Uzoho, we must subject him to full 90 minutes games in most of the friendlies we have line up -- if not all. That will be enough preparation for him for the tourney proper, considering that he is not playing in the topflight at the moment.

Modified
Let me reiterate, in either case, our defense has to be SOLID.

Kog45:
On a good day if we based it on activities in Europe and experience Aiyenugba should nick it in the absence of Enyeama but i don't think Rohr led technical team really rate Aiyenugba.

As it's now i don't think Aiyenugba is in the pictures so let's keep on watching what Rohr really have for us but i hope he get it right cos not getting it would be disastrous.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:59am On Feb 04, 2018
Guys I got an interesting book from a WhatsApp forum I belong to on how Germany won the last WC (Title:Das reboot). If anyone is interested in the book just drop your email and I will send the book to you.

The book details how the Germans engineered the 2014 success, how they went about it deliberately, setting things up from say roughly 2002. It tells of how German players are educated to become thoroughbred professionals. It tells the story of the establishment of football academies and playing centers spread out throughout Germany in a way similar to how the RCCG church establishes a parish in every 1km (walking distance). It talks about the potpourri of human resources the Germans utilized- they even involved the German national hockey team coach, a world renowned adventurer and SAP (the largest software company in the world)

It's 289 pages, written in quite an engaging way with a happy, lighthearted tone wrapped up in simple, crisp English.

Football is no longer kick, dribble, run, score. It has become scientific, indeed almost a pure science. This much became apparent to me when due to the constant use of terms like pressing, diamond shape, tactical formations by goodjoe, Mickael2 and others. Joebie reintroduced me again to four four two online after I'd read the hardcopies long time ago. Reading four four two magazine further reinforced the view that football is an intellectual endeavour.

We are here today. Nobody knows who among us might be involved with our football tomorrow. So reading such a book can birth a dream in our hearts or at least give us insight on how things are shaping up beyond our climes. Reading Icon4s mention Osimhen in his exchange with goodjoe, I remembered the book and I think Osimhen is just now getting educated. Our footballer play football. Europeans are educated from 6 years on to play football. That's the difference between Iwobi said Osimhen. Street cannot measure up anymore to the refinements of an educated footballer. That era is long gone.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by CaptainStephen(m): 7:59am On Feb 04, 2018
Kog45:
Good cos man fear north east o.Well done bros it's well
fear ke , I was there for two years oh, thanks you sir

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 8:01am On Feb 04, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Our players need hand holding but our exceptional talents. The ones that stand out that have the ability of being among the very best needs the National team playing their part in helping them grow.

I am talking of the most exceptional talents. Rare gems, special breeds. The camping exercises in the Super Eagles camp will help a lot to whatever they get in their clubs or academies.
Okay. You've narrowed it to exceptional players. That much should be the case. You are right

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 8:02am On Feb 04, 2018
you suppose don already email am to me sharp sharp

Mujtahida:
Guys I got an interesting book from a WhatsApp forum I belong to on how Germany won the last WC (Title:Das reboot). It details how the Germans engineered the 2014 success. They went about it deliberately, setting things up from say roughly 2002. It tells of how German players are educated to become thoroughbred professionals. It tells the story of the establishment of football academies and playing centers spread out throughout Germany in a way similar to how the RCCG church establishes a parish in every 1km (walking distance). It talks about the potpourri of human resources the Germans utilized- they even involved the German national hockey team coach, a world renowned adventurer and SAP (the largest software company in the world)

It's 289 pages, written in quite an engaging way with a happy, lighthearted tone wrapped up in simple, crisp English.

Football is no longer kick, dribble, run, score. It has become scientific, indeed almost a pure science. This much became apparent to me when due to the constant use of terms like pressing, diamond shape, tactical formations by goodjoe, Mickael2 and others. Joebie reintroduced me again to four four two online after I'd read the hardcopies long time ago. Reading four four two magazine further reinforced the view that football is an intellectual endeavour.

We are here today. Nobody knows who among us might be involved with our football tomorrow. So reading such a book can birth a dream in our hearts or at least give us insight on how things are shaping up beyond our climes. Reading Icon4s mention Osimhen in his exchange with goodjoe, I remembered the book and I think Osimhen is just now getting educated.

If anyone is interested in the book just drop your email and I will send the book to you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 8:06am On Feb 04, 2018
you had the same thing to say about our outfield players
grin
Havn't we been screening our GKs so far? You already know Alloy's verdict

TheGoodJoe:


Screen and select the best. Age, Experience or club status is just sentimental selection. We need the best in goal.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 8:19am On Feb 04, 2018
Don't lump anyone up if you're not sure, be sure with your fact and address people individually, "somehow" and "Andrew" are 2 different people, address them individually, that's what people do when trying to use their words against them.
ChrisKels:


Dude (@Somehow) I said either of u, with what ur ally on that debate wrote up there, seems I wasn't wrong after all.

Maybe you are the one deficient of comprehension abilities, otherwise, u would av acknowledged that word "either" before ranting.

I'm sorry if I was harsh earlier, anyways.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 8:23am On Feb 04, 2018
Very young, hopefully he's allowed to develop well. I don't know how organised MFM FC's youth platform is.
soetanoreoluwa:
Another Teenager playing for mfm... Meet Lawal Abayomi with his mum

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 8:25am On Feb 04, 2018
Contagious gesture from Tbaba, your reward is at hand.
fabyom:
Tbaba1234 sent a gift to my son today. I came in now and it was delivered to me. He did not know me from Adam. I felt like crying, no I am actually crying. He said just one statement spread the love. I promise you brother that as long as I have this breath of life I shall spread the love. On behalf of my family I say a very big thank you to you. Favour shall continually follow you and your family all the days of your lives, AMEN.
Please nairalanders help me say a big thank you to tbaba1234.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 8:27am On Feb 04, 2018
Joebie:
you suppose don already email am to me sharp sharp

Abeg your email address again
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by YhurKarma: 8:37am On Feb 04, 2018
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 8:42am On Feb 04, 2018
Mujtahida:

Abeg your email address again
intellectphilip32@gmail.com
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:02am On Feb 04, 2018
Kog45:
Na joke I dey i don contribute already,hope you see some of my comments.

Sure I did.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:03am On Feb 04, 2018
krattoss:
Joel obi aka plastic leg is injured again..

I will advice Joel Obi like I will advice my own brother. I think it was time he quit the game, he should stop punishing himself and his body.
I have a feeling he has very bad bio mechanics. Something must be patently wrong with him to suffer injuries as much as he has.
I had a friend back in school who was a very good athlete but has unfortunate bio mechanics, something about the way he walks, his body stature and movement made him prone to injures.

It is sad to see great players hang their boots very early due to injuries. I rate Marco Van Basten the greatest striker of all time but it was sad to see such a pure talent quit the game at just 27 due to niggling injuries.

Joel Obi must talk to his family and come to the best decision in his own interest. There's life after football.
His body needs a rest. If he doesn't obey his body, he will definitely not enjoy old age.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:05am On Feb 04, 2018
soetanoreoluwa:
Another Teenager playing for mfm... Meet Lawal Abayomi with his mum

These are the kind of players from the NPFL I am interested in.

These are the ones we can hope on to progress through our junior ranks and from their hit the foreign leagues and then add value to the national team.

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