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ameri9ja:
Read it again. I never said u were an atheist. I said hopefulLandlord is. Religion is the worship of that thing that u believe exists outside atheism - that is the basis of religion, not something someone woke up and made up.

I said All religions are man-made.



U said this :

""Doesn't mean there is nothing there. The biggest atheist on NL, hopefullandlord, just conceded there is something there - a supernatural""


Does it relate in anyway

sonmvayina:
God and Jesus are not the same.....jesus is a Roman idol created to make mockery of the most high as prophesied in Daniel 7:25, God is not a man or a human being, and God strictly warned the jews not to make the image of anything in heaven, on earth or under the water bellow the earth, not to now down to them or serve them...so why are you worshipping a man as God, when you know man is found on earth? (2nd commandments)
God is not a man or human being numbers23:19...and he is one deutromomy 6:4, not 3 in one...

Jesus Christ is Spirit, God the Son of God, who took on human form and dwelt amongst men for some time. He is above angels and far above prophets. He is part of the God head. God is always plural - Elohim. Remember, "Come let US make man in OUR image"

PrecisionFx:
Made by man.

Is that complicated to understand

So in your mind the early Christian martyrs let themselves be crucified and fed to lions because of something they made up? An illiterate Mohammed woke up one day and made up he had a visitation and started dictating the highly educated words of the Koran? The Jews made up all the prophets, etc out of thin air. Ok, I know we say anything is possible but, come on sir!!

PrecisionFx:
I said All religions are man-made.



U said this :

""Doesn't mean there is nothing there. The biggest atheist on NL, hopefullandlord, just conceded there is something there - a supernatural""


Does it relate in anyway

Of course it totally relates. You cannot say all religions are man-made if u concede a supernatural exists. The only argument u can use to support the statement is to say that no supernatural exists. Otherwise the question will arise: how do u know they are not genuinely worshiping a supernatural entity?

ameri9ja:
Of course it totally relates. You cannot say all religions are man-made if u concede a supernatural exists. The only argument u can use to support the statement is to say that no supernatural exists. Otherwise the question will arise: how do u know they are not genuinely worshiping a supernatural entity?

""You cannot say all religions are man-made if u concede a supernatural exists""

This is as stupidd as it gets.

ameri9ja:
So in your mind the early Christian martyrs let themselves be crucified and fed to lions because of something they made up? An illiterate Mohammed woke up one day and made up he had a visitation and started dictating the highly educated words of the Koran? The Jews made up all the prophets, etc out of thin air. Ok, I know we say anything is possible but, come on sir!!

And who made Mohammed an illiterate?.

Pls bros I can't tow this part n from all indications i can't tow any other path wit u.

ameri9ja:
Of course ANYTHING CAN BE MADE UP. Yet we believe they were not for various reasons. Same with the bible. The bible cannot be the only exception.

We are duscussing wether the bible was made up. But if you would rather we discuss wether religion especially Christianity has been good or bad for Nigeria on balance. I'd say it has been good.

You are right

PrecisionFx:
""You cannot say all religions are man-made if u concede a supernatural exists""

This is as stupidd as it gets.

HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY KNOW ALL RELIGIONS ARE MAN-MADE?
The only way u can say that is to say nothing supernatural exists otherwise a religion could be genuinely supernatural and not man-made.
You now see what/who is sooo stupid?

PrecisionFx:
And who made Mohammed an illiterate?.

Pls bros I can't tow this part n from all indications i can't tow any other path wit u.

Muhammed was TOTALLY illiterare. Do some research.

theAccountant:
You are right

Thanks for admitting it.

ameri9ja:
Muhammed was TOTALLY illiterare. Do some research.

Mohammed was able to write the Koran because he was literate. That he was orphaned as a small child n thus couldn't acquire some forms of education/ability to read n write doesn't mean he didn't learn how to read and right decades later as a man.

Know this, Mohammed wrote the Koran and he copied almost everything in the Koran from the bible (The Judaism bible, Old testament).

Mohammed was born a Jew and was circumcised after 7 days.

Mohammed was recruited by Rome (The Pope) blessed with unprecedented wealth n support to create a religion, raise a formidable army and attack n recover the city of Jerusalem from the Byzantines Empire who occupied it at that time.

Wen Mohammed achieved this, he figured that there was no need to hand over the key to Jerusalem to the Pope, he already had an battle hardened army with millions of followers. So took it all.

ameri9ja:
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY KNOW ALL RELIGIONS ARE MAN-MADE?
The only way u can say that is to say nothing supernatural exists otherwise a religion could be genuinely supernatural and not man-made.
You now see what/who is sooo stupid?

There's nothing supernatural about Islam, Christianity n Judaism.

ameri9ja:
Jesus Christ is Spirit, God the Son of God, who took on human form and dwelt amongst men for some time. He is above angels and far above prophets. He is part of the God head. God is always plural - Elohim. Remember, "Come let US make man in OUR image"

We are all spirit on a human journey,
We are all God's children..

Read the whole of Daniel 7, and learn the identities of the beast...
The messiah is coming at the end of the Roman empire....

Jesus was created by the Romans to fulfil Daniel 7:25.

sonmvayina:
We are all spirit on a human journey,
We are all God's children..

Read the whole of Daniel 7, and learn the identities of the beast...
The messiah is coming at the end of the Roman empire....

Jesus was created by the Romans to fulfil Daniel 7:25.

The things u people say, unbelievable! It is a historical fact that Rome did all it could to snuff out Christianity - mass executions, crucifixions, feeding to lions. Only that those who witnessed the martyrdoms then became Christians themselves until Emperor Constantine's very wife and top general became Christians too!

sonmvayina:
We are all spirit on a human journey,
We are all God's children..

Read the whole of Daniel 7, and learn the identities of the beast...
The messiah is coming at the end of the Roman empire....

Jesus was created by the Romans to fulfil Daniel 7:25.

There are spirits, then there is Spirit. There are creations/children of god, then there is Son of God who is also God. Please know the difference.

PrecisionFx:
There's nothing supernatural about Islam, Christianity n Judaism.

HOW DO U KNOW? Once u concede the supernatural does exist u can't say that.

PrecisionFx:
Mohammed was able to write the Koran because he was literate. That he was orphaned as a small child n thus couldn't acquire some forms of education/ability to read n write doesn't mean he didn't learn how to read and right decades later as a man.

Know this, Mohammed wrote the Koran and he copied almost everything in the Koran from the bible (The Judaism bible, Old testament).

Mohammed was born a Jew and was circumcised after 7 days.

Mohammed was recruited by Rome (The Pope) blessed with unprecedented wealth n support to create a religion, raise a formidable army and attack n recover the city of Jerusalem from the Byzantines Empire who occupied it at that time.

Wen Mohammed achieved this, he figured that there was no need to hand over the key to Jerusalem to the Pope, he already had an battle hardened army with millions of followers. So took it all.

Please don't argue without at least a bit of knowledge. Mohamed NEVER wrote a single word of the Koran because he never could read nor write. Initially neither could his followers, hence everything was memorised. Eventually he had literate followers that's when he started dictating. He was ostracized and offered money and kingship to abandon the teachings, he refused and instead ran away to Medina. Please do some reading and stop believing nonsense.

ameri9ja:
HOW DO U KNOW? Once u concede the supernatural does exist u can't say that.

How does conceding that there's God mean Islam, Christianity n Hindu is spiritual

PrecisionFx:
How does conceding that there's God mean Islam, Christianity n Hindu is spiritual

I said "supernatural" not "god". U can decide anything is your god. But once you concede the supernatural exists you have no way of knowing if a religion is infact sustained by the supernatural.

ameri9ja:
I said "supernatural" not "god". U can decide anything is your god. But once you concede the supernatural exists you have no way of knowing if a religion is infact sustained by the supernatural.

And u knows each religion and the supernatural powers that sustains them

PrecisionFx:
And u knows each religion and the supernatural powers that sustains them

I'm not the one saying all religions are man-made and have no supernatural basis. You are. So Tell us HOW u know.

(See, if u were smart, you'd first say no supernatural exists THEN u can authoritatively assert the above )

ameri9ja:
Doesn't mean there is nothing there. The biggest atheist on NL, hopefullandlord, just conceded there is something there - a supernatural.

1. Biggest atheist on Nairaland? when was that award dished out? who received it on my behalf? I could think of about 30 or more atheists who deserve it better

2. I never conceded the supernatural exists, that's a misconception

3. Even if we assume the supernatural exists, it still doesn't buttress the existence of god one bit. There are atheists that believe in the supernatural. There's a Kingebukasblog thread that explains this and many more

CC: PrecisionFX

hopefulLandlord:
1. Biggest atheist on Nairaland? when was that award dished out? who received it on my behalf? I could think of about 30 or more atheists who deserve it better

2. I never conceded the supernatural exists, that's a misconception

3. Even if we assume the supernatural exists, it still doesn't buttress the existence of god one bit. There are atheists that believe in the supernatural. There's a Kingebukasblog thread that explains this and many more

CC: PrecisionFX

I will take your points as u numbered them:

1. I should have said the most active atheist on NL.

2. Then tell us what u mean when u wrote.this:
"This notwithstanding, the supernatural world is real."

3. It does mean you can't say authoritatively that all religions are man-made or have no supernatural basus - which was what I was debating with precisionFX.

ameri9ja:
I will take your points as u numbered them:

1. I should have said the most active atheist on NL.

2. Then tell us what u mean when u wrote.this:
"This notwithstanding, the supernatural world is real."

3. It does mean you can't say authoritatively that all religions are man-made or have no supernatural basus - which was what I was debating with precisionFX.

1. Arguably

2. I never said such, can you show me where I said that?

3. I said assuming the supernatural exists, it still doesn't validate the god hypothesis

hopefulLandlord:
1. Arguably

2. I never said such, can you show me where I said that?

3. I said assuming the supernatural exists, it still doesn't validate the god hypothesis

Pls ignore that foOOol.

ameri9ja:
I'm not the one saying all religions are man-made and have no supernatural basis. You are. So Tell us HOW u know.

(See, if u were smart, you'd first say no supernatural exists THEN u can authoritatively assert the above )

Albert Einstein.

hopefulLandlord:
1. Arguably

2. I never said such, can you show me where I said that?

3. I said assuming the supernatural exists, it still doesn't validate the god hypothesis

2. Ok, I confused u with the other atheist. U sound so much alike.

3 Our debate was that once one concedes that the supernatural exists, one can't authoritatively assert that all religions are man-made and have no supernatural basis.

I don't think u quite understand the definition of god. U may decide that the pencil in your pocket is your god.

PrecisionFx:
Albert Einstein.

Thnx