MuttleyLaff:
I bear you no malice.
People make mistakes and learn from them.
You need to pray and work on yourself in areas of the fruit of the spirit though
The flavour you need are gentleness and self-control

Just that you know, it is not my thread, nor my topic
Also I doubt you can produce where I have knocked speaking in tongues
What OP, I, Paxonel and others have tried to shed a light on is the elephant in the room counterfeit, you and others have probably gotten used to as speaking in tongue(s)

Now u want to get all righteous with me. No problem. If u wish to back up a notion u shld do with complete clarity. D topic is very misleading and will instigate so much confusion and disbelief. But no problem, u knw more obviously.

jamescross:
those two options are as useless as your refusal to accept the true meaning of the texts

What is the true meaning of the text?
What was the issue text was highlighting or addressing?

jamescross:
why are you confusing yourself bringing up lip service and babbling.
are you saying God only listens to intelligent people, because i do know the bible says God sees the heart.

It you.
You tied yourself up
You brought up Isaiah 29:13 and tried to equate with babbling
but I said, No, that its about lip service
and flipped out Matthew 15:7-9, echoing Isaiah 29:13 talking about when people talk the talk but dont walk the talk

I have no issues with your straw man "God sees the heart"
That is Bible 101 things

jamescross:
you do know that matt 15 was rebuking the traditions of men. do do do..

So does the traditions of men equate to babbling?
Or does it equate to lip service?

MuttleyLaff:
What is the true meaning of the text?
What was the issue text was highlighting or addressing?

I have no issues with your straw man "God sees the heart"
That is Bible 101 things

So does the traditions of men equate to babbling?
Or does it equate to lip service?

babbling because it is as meaningless as cleaning the outside while the inside is dirty.

having an appearance of righteousness denying/lacking it's power thereof

jamescross:
you will again quote half my post an try to take it round and round just to go in circles, in chess it's trying to be tricky and play for a draw.

I chew your post(s), and then spit it out in pieces
Stalemate, so that's your game plan

jamescross:
now muttleylaff, i say something is for nigeria and you jump in and say it's for yoruba.
i said you CLAIMED because it's not what your saying it's what your are claiming and still claiming.

your questions and that your response show your confusion. anothe analogy, it's like
1. are you a girl?
2. when do you change your sanitary pad?

first such a question as in 2 is based on what. was question 1 answered before such question 2 was asked. it could be a boy, or even a girt that doesn't use pad.

How would I know, if the question isnt asked.
Let me, let you on to something, sometimes the questions asked isnt for the benefit of the questioner

jamescross:
and i did answer 1,2,3 i just didn't number it.
now i am going to make an assumption about you
- it shows you don't take time to read and study before you draw out observation.
your reacting to my writing in my posts and not necessary my point.

You call "yes, as often as the spirit groans in me" answering 1,2 and 3?
Why didnt you number them?
You could have at least put in the same the effort, if not more, I put into dialoguing with you
It shows to deliberately was trying to be evasive as much as you can get away with
I looked at the initial responses shook my head,
and looked at the feeble subsequent ones and dismissively further shook my head

jamescross:
you want to reach my mind? lol
first reach the point of my posts.

You have no point

jamescross:
no just clarify your own point

To be honest, it getting more clearer by the day, that you really aren't ready or have the stamina for it

Ronpet777:
[s]Now u want to get all righteous with me. No problem[/s].
If u wish to back up a notion u shld do with complete clarity.
D topic is very misleading and will instigate so much confusion and disbelief.
But no problem, u knw more obviously.

I believe you read OP's "Speaking In Tongue; A Great Lie" opening post
to find out if the topic heading was appropriately and with good reason titled the manner it was

jamescross:
babbling because it is as meaningless as cleaning the outside while the inside is dirty.

What a strange simile
You say; Isaiah 29:13 is talking of babbling
because babbling is as meaningless as cleaning the outside while the inside is dirty

jamescross:
having an appearance of righteousness denying/lacking it's power thereof

Is "having an appearance of righteousness denying/lacking it's power thereof" too babbling?

jamescross:
paul said ALSO he didn't say ONLY. it means there are times he prays in the spirit and lacks understanding and other times he prays in the spirit with understanding. ok

If you want to know what Paul meant, read everything from the beginning.
He was simply saying that if anyone should speak in tongue in church then he must interprete what he is saying so that everyone will benefit and be edified or encouraged.

If what he meant includes him speaking in tongues in the spirit and lack understanding at times, how does that correlate with edifying or encouraging the church?
Are you saying that Paul spoke out of point?

Does Paul speaking in tongues to himself without understanding what he is saying in anyway edified the church?

Paul was much more intelligent than that.

paxonel:

If you want to know what Paul meant, read everything from the beginning.
He was simply saying that if anyone should speak in tongue in church then he must interprete what he is saying so that everyone will benefit and be edified or encouraged.

If what he meant includes him speaking in tongues in the spirit and lack understanding at times, how does that correlate with edifying or encouraging the church?
Are you saying that Paul spoke out of point?
Does Paul speaking in tongues to himself without understanding what he is saying in anyway edified the church?

Paul was much more intelligent than that.

paul stated the importance of having interpretation.

if everyone could interprete he won't say either the speaker be able to interpret or an interpreter be around.

if he himself didn't understand the tongues would he encourage it to be used anyhow during meetings.
it's a wisdom prophets use to help human limitation, by judging and interpreting together.

jamescross:
paul stated the importance of having interpretation.

if everyone could interprete he won't say either the speaker be able to interpret or an interpreter be around.

if he himself didn't understand the tongues would he encourage it to be used anyhow during meetings.
it's a wisdom prophets use to help human limitation, by judging and interpreting together.

Exactly

MuttleyLaff:
Two options
1)Take a lesson in Yoruba,
but pray you will speak in the tongue without needing Ishilove to assist with interpretation

2) Have the gift of Yoruba tongue
and pray that you'll be able to explain the meaning of what you've spoken

It is a good thing and a right sign that the discussion isnt putting you at ease

One thing you can be certain of, is, I am not, will not lead you or anyone else, for that matter, astray
You'll only come out better, stronger, more effective in your prayer life and wise

I remember 15 years ago, when I used drive my elder kid to boarding house.
It was a 3 hours back to back journey
and right from from leaving the driveway, it was me behind the steering wheel, "speaking in tongue" all throughout the entire journey
My elder kid used to watch me like what is going on Dad
and I go like, dont worry about it kiddo, I am praying

I know about what you think is "speaking in tongue" .
I've been there, sold it, done it and had that "speaking in tongue" T-shirt
So I know and can say a bit and more about it

When you're ready, you know where to find and how to engage me
We can even do it, a la Nicodemus style, in camera
Yorubas will say, "Ti ogun ẹ ni ba dani loju, a maa nfi gba ori"
Goshen360

My brother sorry for the disappearance from the tongue topic if not for the mention, I've been really busy and just peep into the forum.

I did read your reply then on our tongue discussion. Was going to reply but other things was begging for my immediate attention and it's being one thing into another ever since.

However, one question I was going to ask on your response then was,

What language do you pray in/with that neither you the speaker nor others understand?

Goshen360:
My brother sorry for the disappearance from the tongue topic
if not for the mention, I've been really busy and just peep into the forum.

I did read your reply then on our tongue discussion.
Was going to reply
but other things was begging for my immediate attention and it's being one thing into another ever since.

However, one question I was going to ask on your response then was,

What language do you pray in;/with that neither you the speaker nor others understand?

Before I answer your question, lets first confirm we are on a same page:
1) Is there a language, one is to pray in and/or with that neither you, the speaker, nor others understands?
2) If Yes, what is the justification and/or reason for using this language?
3) What is the origin of this language?
4) What kind of language is this, what may we call it or can we call it?

After you've answered the four above, we can go further and in depth with details
Meanwhile, think about this:
Do you hear your thoughts, inside your head or are they silent?
Do others hear your thoughts, inside your head or are they silent?

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
1 Corinthians:14:22

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1 Corinthians:1:22

Speaking in tongues was meant to convert Jews specifically no place where the apostles spoke in tongues in a place surrounded by gentiles

Speaking in tongues was a miracle where different people would understand one language not this gibberish nonsense

danvon:
Wherefore tongues are for a sign,
not to them that believe,
but to them that believe not:
but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
1 Corinthians:14:22

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1 Corinthians:1:22

Speaking in tongues was meant to convert Jews specifically
no place where the apostles spoke in tongues in a place surrounded by gentiles

Speaking in tongues was a miracle where different people would understand one language not this gibberish nonsense

Danvon, Danvon, Danvon....
Steady, steady, steady with the details....

You seem to have forgotten what or who Cornelius is though

Cornelius and his household spoke in a different tongue for the benefit of the watching Jewish audience to serve as a sign or catalyst for them to start believing in the Good News and also in the person of who Jesus is

jamescross:
[i]¹³So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.
¹⁴For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.

. .to speak is to be heard by men, to pray is to heard by God. Do you agree?

speaking in tongues and praying in the spirit/in tongues are two seperate things. people can forge speaking in tongues like they tend to manipulate any other gift.

when a person gets born again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit like every new born child they cry out. that praying in tongue that is not a result of human mind but of the Spirit is a praise to God. it comes upon a person suddenly overwhelming that person with God's love. this is personal

speaking in tongues is for prophecy, edification and needs correct interpretation. this is service, for others.

babbling is vain repitition of words thought by men. isaiah 29:13 instead of inspired by the Spirit john 4:24

You are very correct . Many people don’t know the difference . It’s a misunderstanding of scripture. Speaking in tongues is different from praying in tongues . Talking to God in prayer is different from talking to the hearing of men in prophecy or cooperate prayer.

petra1:
You are very correct .
Many people don’t know the difference .
It’s a misunderstanding of scripture. Speaking in tongues is different from praying in tongues .
Talking to God in prayer is different from talking to the hearing of men in prophecy or cooperate prayer.

I suppose speaking in English,
is different from praying in English
Corporate prayer indeed.

MuttleyLaff:

I suppose speaking in English,
is different from praying in English
Corporate prayer indeed.

Yes it depends on who you’re speaking to. Question : does God need interpretation ?

petra1:
Yes it depends on who you’re speaking to. Question : does God need interpretation ?

No, God doesn't need interpretation
and here is my question
Does God at any time expect, recommend, advise or require a special language from us or anyone else for that matter, when praying to Him?

MuttleyLaff:
No, God doesn't need interpretation
and here is my question
Does God at any time expect, recommend, advise or require a special language from us or anyone else for that matter, when praying to Him?

No but because of our limited understanding of his will , when we pray in the spirit the Holyghost who knows the will of God actually does the praying through us .

Romans 8:26-27 (AMPC)
26 So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.
27 And He Who searches the hearts of men knows what is in the mind of the [Holy] Spirit [what His intent is], because the Spirit intercedes and pleads [before God] in behalf of the saints according to and in harmony with God’s will.

petra1:

No but because of our limited understanding of his will , when we pray in the spirit the Holyghost who knows the will of God actually does the praying through us .

Point of correction, that verse talks about the Holy Spirit doing the groaning. Don't misinterprete it please. It is explicitly stated in verse 27. The Holy Spirit does NOT pray through us, He prays on our behalf. And as a matter of fact, groaning does not mean speaking in tongues. Check verses 22 & 23.

Romans 8:26-27 NLT - And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will.

Roman's 8:26-27 ERV - Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words. God already knows our deepest thoughts. And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.

petra1:
No but because of our limited understanding of his will , when we pray in the spirit the Holyghost who knows the will of God actually does the praying through us
Romans 8:26-27 (AMPC)
26 So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.
27 And He Who searches the hearts of men knows what is in the mind of the [Holy] Spirit [what His intent is], because the Spirit intercedes and pleads [before God] in behalf of the saints according to and in harmony with God’s will.

connectikut89:
Point of correction, that verse talks about the Holy Spirit doing the groaning.
Don't misinterprete it please.
It is explicitly stated in verse 27. The Holy Spirit does NOT pray through us, He prays on our behalf.

And as a matter of fact, groaning does not mean speaking in tongues.
Check verses 22 & 23.

Romans 8:26-27 NLT - And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness.
For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for.
But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will.

Roman's 8:26-27 ERV - Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words. God already knows our deepest thoughts.
And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.

Thank you ojaare brother
I was almost left speechless, looking and laughing at Petra1's post

MuttleyLaff:


Thank you ojaare brother
I was almost left speechless, looking and laughing at Petra1's post

U're equally doing a good job my brother. We will not allow peddlers of the word of God for money twist scriptures. Not under our watch!

MuttleyLaff:
Before I answer your question, lets first confirm we are on a same page:
1) Is there a language, one is to pray in and/or with that neither you, the speaker, nor others understands?
2) If Yes, what is the justification and/or reason for using this language?
3) What is the origin of this language?
4) What kind of language is this, what may we call it or can we call it?

After you've answered the four above, we can go further and in depth with details
Meanwhile, think about this:
Do you hear your thoughts, inside your head or are they silent?
Do others hear your thoughts, inside your head or are they silent?

Okay, I'll answer from scriptures.

1. Yes, there's a language that a person or I can pray in that no one nor the speaker understands. 1 cor. 14v2.......Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

2. The justification for this kind of prayer language is, the Spirit helping our weaknesses in prayer for in depth we don't know what deep things we ought to pray for. So, we or the speaker utter mysteries.....BY THE SPIRIT, not by OUR UNDERSTANDING now., still 1 cor. 14v2.

3. Like I said on the other thread then, the origin, both sign tongue and prayer tongue is the Spirit, NOT OUT INTELLIGENCE NOR OUR MIND.

4. I in my understanding called it prayer language, some call it spiritual language because I guess, devil too doesn't understand it. You know how u and me can speak yoruba and some or most Akata can't understand it and they be lost in conversation. Same way the prayer tongues between your spirit and God being enabled by the Spirit of God in you.

Shey I try....? Lol

Goshen360:
Okay, I'll answer from scriptures.

1. Yes, there's a language that a person or I can pray in that no one nor the speaker understands. 1 cor. 14v2.......Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

2. The justification for this kind of prayer language is, the Spirit helping our weaknesses in prayer for in depth we don't know what deep things we ought to pray for. So, we or the speaker utter mysteries.....BY THE SPIRIT, not by OUR UNDERSTANDING now., still 1 cor. 14v2.

3. Like I said on the other thread then, the origin, both sign tongue and prayer tongue is the Spirit, NOT OUT INTELLIGENCE NOR OUR MIND.

4. I in my understanding called it prayer language, some call it spiritual language because I guess, devil too doesn't understand it. You know how u and me can speak yoruba and some or most Akata can't understand it and they be lost in conversation. Same way the prayer tongues between your spirit and God being enabled by the Spirit of God in you.

Shey I try....? Lol

Thank you for taking time out to respond.
You try, no bi small.

Now answering your question
I am not aware of me having any language that I pray in and/or pray with that neither, I, the speaker nor others understands?

If for sake of pretension, there is one, then if I use it without understanding the content of what's being prayed, then my mind is not profiting from it and I am not gingered.
also though my spirit prays, I won't be built up by it, for lack of not knowing what's been prayed.

If a Hausa man recites the Yoruba Lord's Prayer without understanding Yoruba, him reciting the prayer in a language or tongue he doesn't know, is not built up, he doesn't profit from it because he doesn't know what the prayer entails, except it had been interpreted to him.
Do you agree?

I trust you saw the two brilliant posts, Danvon and connectikut89 submitted?
What's your take on both posts, what do you make of both?

Meanwhile, you didn't respond to the below:
Do you hear your thoughts, inside your head or are they silent?
Do others hear your thoughts, inside your head or are they silent?
Does God hear your thoughts inside your head or He doesn't?
Does Satan hear your thoughts inside your head or He cant?

MuttleyLaff:

I suppose speaking in English,
is different from praying in English
Corporate prayer indeed.

Ask them o

MuttleyLaff:


Thank you ojaare brother
I was almost left speechless, looking and laughing at Petra1's post

Never ask a question if you don’t have stomach for the answer . Calling up assistant to cover up is not very smart . Let truth win.

connectikut89:


Point of correction, that verse talks about the Holy Spirit doing the groaning. Don't misinterprete it please. It is explicitly stated in verse 27. The Holy Spirit does NOT pray through us, He prays on our behalf. And as a matter of fact, groaning does not mean speaking in tongues. Check verses 22 & 23.

Romans 8:26-27 NLT - And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will.

Roman's 8:26-27 ERV - Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words. God already knows our deepest thoughts. And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.

Let your friend speak for himself na . You be muttelylaff advocate ?

But if you wanna answer for him . What doe that passage refer to . What is groaning ? How does it take place .

petra1:
Never ask a question if you don’t have stomach for the answer.

I say, in the age of information, ignorance is a choice

petra1:
Calling up assistant to cover up is not very smart. Let truth win.

I dont need assistance to cover up nothing
I was impressed someone else is rightly dividing the word of truth
and correcting your biased, erroneous or unfair interpretation of Romans 8:26-27
so drop your negative comment(s) already,
unless you're jealous, brother connectikut89 is better informed than you are on this subject

connectikut89:
Point of correction, that verse talks about the Holy Spirit doing the groaning.
Don't misinterprete it please.
It is explicitly stated in verse 27. The Holy Spirit does NOT pray through us, He prays on our behalf.

And as a matter of fact, groaning does not mean speaking in tongues.
Check verses 22 & 23.

Romans 8:26-27 NLT - And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness.
For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for.
But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will.

Roman's 8:26-27 ERV - Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words. God already knows our deepest thoughts.
And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you ojaare brother
I was almost left speechless, looking and laughing at Petra1's post

petra1:
Let your friend speak for himself na . You be muttelylaff advocate ?

But if you wanna answer for him . What doe that passage refer to .
What is groaning ? How does it take place?

The gloves are about comiing off
You asked for it

When Jesus therefore saw her weeping,
and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
- John 11:33

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:
for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:
but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
- Rom 8:26

Rom 8:26 and John 11:33 for that matter, arent verses that support Jesus spoke in tongues

John 11:33 is a combination of groaning and display of empathy
and not a proof that Jesus spoke in tongues

Rom 8:26, is not speaking in tongue
It is, to some degree similar to John 11:33 above, (e.g. moaning or groaning expression coming from within induced the spiriit)
and so equally like John 11:33, Rom 8:26 too, doesnt qualify to serve as proof, that Jesus actually spoke in tongue

Moaning or any other sounds made during or in the heat of passion
and groaning done to convey pain, despair, pleasure etcetera
or any other sounds made when cornered and backed against a concrete wall isnt speaking in tongues

By the way, though old habit are difficult to die, its close to 14 years now, that I've managed to curtail doing this gibberish or nonsense
and I deliberately said, managed, because it sometimes wants to subconsciously rear its ugly head and slip back in

Mind you, I do groaning in the spirit (i.e. that's where & when applicable) but dont anymore do gibberish
- aside the different kinds of groaning out of pain, out of despair, out of pleasure etcetera,
there is a distinction (i.e. particularly in regards to when praying) between groaning in the spirit and talking gibberish

Jesus groaned in the spirit (i.e. John 11:33 and John 11:38)
but it wasnt the sort of gibberish thing we have and see in modern believers settings or gatherings

As said, I, too, when praying intensely do experience groaning in the spirit
- it usually is making deep inarticulate sound(s) or grunts during praying, out of pain, anguish, desperation or some strong emotion

I strongly want to believe, its similar to, if not on par with that, Hannah style of praying (i.e. 1 Samuel 1:10)

Pray, you aren't cornered that bad, that you need to resort to groaning when praying
It's out of exasperation, that groaning comes out
Jesus, out of exasperation too, groaned, at sight of Lazarus dead/sleeping

I can go more, on praying in the spirit and praying with the spirit,
but will pause, so as not to, cause information overload

Again, the three recorded evidences of speaking in tongues in the bible, occurred for a purpose and/or to serve that purpose

Each instance of the three recorded speaking in tongues happened with articulated utterances,
that were, coherent enough to other present audiences admitting and understanding the spoken tongues
For the three occurrences in the Bible , refer to Acts 2:8, Acts 10:46 and Acts 19:60

For Jews demand miraculous signs (i.e. ask for signs)
and Greeks ask for wisdom (i.e. philiosophy)
- 1 Corinthians 1:22

So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers.
Prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.
- 1 Corinthians 14:22

For all the 3 recorded times, speaking in other tongues occurred in the bible,
it is visibly noted that, it happened each time, for the benefit of unbelieving Jews

For any that might have been misinformed, it is a well documented truth, as seen in 1 Corinthians 14:22 above
that speaking in tongues is not for believers, rather it is used as a sign for unbelievers (i.e. 1 Corinthians 1:22a)

Petra1, the primary purpose for speaking in tongues, was/is not for use as a talisman,
neither to be used as quicker or easier mystical shortcuts to prayers or worship
Nor is it's purpose to be used as a form of means to confuse the devil or demons from understanding whats been prayed

But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
- Jude 1:20

Jude 1:20 has nothing to do speaking in tongues but means what it says out of the tin
(i.e. it means literally pray in the Holy Spirit, as in like one of those ''thy will be done'' prayers)

petra1:


No but because of our limited understanding of his will , when we pray in the spirit the Holyghost who knows the will of God actually does the praying through us .

Romans 8:26-27 (AMPC)
26 So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.
27 And He Who searches the hearts of men knows what is in the mind of the [Holy] Spirit [what His intent is], because the Spirit intercedes and pleads [before God] in behalf of the saints according to and in harmony with God’s will.

God bless u sir. More wisdom!

Ronpet777:
God bless u sir. More wisdom!

If you accept that praying in the spirit, is the Holy Ghost knowing the will of God and so actually does the praying through us, then please describe:
1) How you, pray in the spirit
2) How you, pray with the spirit

petra1:


Let your friend speak for himself na . You be muttelylaff advocate ?

But if you wanna answer for him . What doe that passage refer to . What is groaning ? How does it take place .

I wonder waht conectiku 89 was saying ó, holy spirit groaning? This is laughable

MuttleyLaff:

The gloves are about comiing off
You asked for it

As said, I, too, when praying intensely do experience groaning in the spirit
- it usually is making deep inarticulate sound(s) or grunts during praying, out of pain, anguish, desperation or some strong emotion

Each instance of the three recorded speaking in tongues happened with articulated utterances,
that were, coherent enough to other present audiences admitting and understanding the spoken tongues
For the three occurrences in the Bible , refer to Acts 2:8, Acts 10:46 and Acts 19:60

Thank you for this. I couldn't agree more and I couldn't have said it better.
In response to petra1, the word ‘groanings’ used in verse 26 is the greek word, 'stenagmos’ which means heart murmurings. It is also used in Acts 7:34, “I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them.” You can't say the Israelites were speaking in tongues as at the time, can you? ERV Bible uses "crying" instead of "groaning" in the aforementioned verse.

Sometimes when we are in great despair, and pray to the Father, we have a fervent desire to express these things eloquently in prayer in such a way as to be answered. However often we can’t put words to the burdens of our heart, and we really just groan in our spirit, but don’t feel as if we’re accomplishing much. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit takes the groanings of our heart and turns them into intelligible prayers that God answers.

MuttleyLaff:
If you accept that praying in the spirit, is the Holy Ghost knowing the will of God and so actually does the praying through us, then please describe:
1) How you, pray in the spirit
2) How you, pray with the spirit

Sir, like I stated earlier, I wasn't happy at d fact that d op called speaking in tongues a great lie. Many Bible verses hv been quoted in this thread to show that there is speaking in tongues, for edification and praying in divers tongues to d father. It is very simple. D Holy Spirit endues us with d unction to pray to d father in other tongues.

I don't want us to over flog this topic, it's just painful that some folks will read d topic and few comments on d surface and condemn all forms of speaking and praying in tongues.
It's sad cos they r very biblical.