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MuttleyLaff:
You are conflating the object with the Creator
The universe and God are distinct from each other.
The universe isn't the same with the its Creator

Talk for yourself.
Is there anything hard for God
Creating out of nothing is a piece of cake, walking in the park matter for God to do

How did you spring up this straw man?

I have no house of cards,
but know you are living in denial

The universe has a Designer.
The universe isn't self-propelling.
It is propelling alright, yeah, and the propelling will at some time end

Sit down there,
you want to see my tap-dance
and/or me doing the lambada dance too

sonofluc1fer:
No one's fighting bro. We're just pressing keyboards and throwing e-punches. No blood. It's all fun. Don't worry, we good.

anybody wey e pain, go romance section...

butterflyl1on:
Go back and prepare your Court Jestering CV in an intelligent manner so that when you present it again, it would be with panache and with an umph alright?

FeelDeMusic:
Ok. Well it just looks like fighting to me on my end... guess the fact that it's the written word has something to do with it, I can't decipher tone from that. But so long as everyone's ok on hear than I'm good too.

Ronpet777:
I tot so too. Wasn't expecting anything better from u. D write-up tells everything about u. Childish!

budaatum:
O lo lu fẹ ẹ mi atata. O tọ'jọ meta. Ni bo lo lọ ti a ko fi ri ọ? K'abọ.

sonofluc1fer:
childish, true. Not mature like that snake one you believe in. the one with rib women and talking snake.. and a god that three nails killed.

yet, i am childish. . I thought you wanted to hear how the universe came about..

dalaman:
Instead of going to faithfooly eat human faeces as commanded by Yahweh, he is here speaking English and telling LIES all over nairaland.

ZirdoRoray:
Infinite wisdom of God?..lol
Since you brought that up let me give peek in to the so called wisdom of God.

DOES GOD REPENT?

God does not repents

Numbers: 23. 19. God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God repents

Before the flood (and just after the sons of God had sex with
the daughters of men), God repented for having made
humans.
Genesis: 6. 6. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

God does not repents

1 Samuel: 15. 29. And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

God repents

After Aaron made the people dance naked around his golden
calf, God decided to kill all of the Israelites. But Moses talked
him out of it by saying, "What will the neighbors think?" So
God repented of the evil he'd planned to do.

Exodus: 32. 14. And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

God does not repent

Malachi: 3. 6. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

God repents

God has repented, in fact, so many times he's getting tired of
it... Jeremiah: 15. 6. Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.

Bring it on..

butterflyl1on:
Much as your ignorance pains me I would advice you go to google.com and search WMAP. It will take you to a diagram by NASA which talks about our universe in detail and it's origin.

Hold this diagram in front of you and click on the video I posted earlier talking about God proven in 5 minutes and follow the video while looking at the diagram.

The reason I offered you the video as a guide is because of your scientific ignorance so take that as a kindergarten visual aid assistance from me free of charge.

Ronpet777:
Guy, U need to knw that we only argue here to explain one another's stand and not to mock.

Ronpet777:
When a reasoning is found deficient and porous, a better idea is suggested and a solution introduced. Now tell me, wot do u believe? I assume u hv a better idea of creation to hv openly questioned a wide and age long believe, tell Einstein, how did d world evolve in precise terms?
How did mankind emanate?

Ronpet777:
Guy, U need to knw that we only argue here to explain one another's stand and not to mock. Arguing from now to tomorrow won't make anyone change his belief, learning takes place as we find things out abt one another. So, try and be more reasonable pls. It is pple like u dt make one get d notion that all Atheists r dumb.

sonofluc1fer:
feeldevibes, catch the feeling, clear your cache and things will be okay...

ZirdoRoray:
Mankind was created by a Universal Male God who encourages, war, rape, blood sacrifice, violence, injustice, absurdity and contradictions. He used the jews to kill almost everyone in the Bible and won't hesitate to watch the whole world burn in the lake of fire forever because they did not believe in him. He has the power to end suffering but he keeps on watching because it pleases him and will do as he pleases. It really takes a lot of faith to believe that. Isn't God Wonderful?

On a more humane/logical level, there are two main contending school of thoughts for the existence of humanity.
1. That of evolution. Don't forget the earth is 4.6 billion years old. So that's quite a long time for life to form and a specie to evolve.

2. Alot of Texts written by scholars supports the concept of the
creation of humanity by extra-terrestrials through genetic
engineering.
Humanity was created by extra-terrestrials who needed slave
laborers in the mines. By taking the ovum from a Cro-
Magnon primate and using artificial insemination with a
sperm from one of the Nephilim, we were created. We did not
evolve naturally, as opposed to animals who have overall
better health and immunity. Ancient civilizations were more
advanced than we think. Take the pyramids of Giza as an
example, even present day scientists have difficulty in fully
understanding the science behind the buildings. It is points
to highly advanced Extraterrestrials as the originator of such.
Don't forget there are such pyramids all over the world and
weird enough they all points to the constellation of orion in
the sky. The entire world have always been paganistic and
had similar beliefs of been created by advanced
Extraterrestrials they called Gods. They also state these
Gods taught them civilization.
Most of these got lost in endless wars and global
catastrophes.

ZirdoRoray:
Infinite wisdom of God?..lol
Since you brought that up let me give peek in to the so called wisdom of God.

DOES GOD REPENT?

God does not repents

Numbers: 23. 19. God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God repents

Before the flood (and just after the sons of God had sex with
the daughters of men), God repented for having made
humans.
Genesis: 6. 6. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

God does not repents

1 Samuel: 15. 29. And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

God repents

After Aaron made the people dance naked around his golden
calf, God decided to kill all of the Israelites. But Moses talked
him out of it by saying, "What will the neighbors think?" So
God repented of the evil he'd planned to do.

Exodus: 32. 14. And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

God does not repent

Malachi: 3. 6. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

God repents

God has repented, in fact, so many times he's getting tired of
it... Jeremiah: 15. 6. Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.

Bring it on..

purem:
Your English is giving me headache

Who was your English teacher sef

butterflyl1on:
.

The one who designed the universe first of all isn't a part of the universe so impacted the universe from outside it.

Our human abilities being unable to see beyond what we know can only perceive that such a being must not have been created if he could create such a powerful and extremely complex place as the universe.

The Big Bang as it were was said to have been impacted by a huge form of energy. The magnitude of this energy has never ever been seen or heard about in OUR universe therefore cannot be said to have come from our universe. Going by this, infinite regress alone is defeated because this would mean that such a complex being would get to a point known as zero. Which is complexity getting to a point where it begins to go backward to a zero point and this is a virtual impossibility as complexity cannot achieve this as it can only become more complex and not less.

Plus on the flip side, the creator of the universe as described from scripture is said to have no beginning and no end which totally tallies with what science says caused the Big Bang and subscribes to what I just typed above so science itself does not subscribe to infinite regress. That's one of your missiles shot down.

As long as what impacted the universe meets the laws of nature, then something can come from nothing. What impacted the universe was outside it and met the laws of our nature so was able to bring about something from nothing yet was not part of our nature and was not in any way altered by our laws of nature but rather can alter it at will due to its ability to act on it for outside of it.

I posted a video earlier about 5 minutes proof of God and it was data gotten by NASA and you need to view it and wise up to scientific truths and not your conjectures.

This was what vaxx meant when he said FAITH IS SURE while logic isn't.

Your attempt at being logical is simply throwing up assumptions and guesses and putting you into self imposed problems.

Your talk about another universe or other universes outside our own

absurd as science itself has said this is an impossibility especially since they cannot and have not observed this to be so.

Outside out universe is NOTHING. Our universe stops at a point known as NOTHING and what impacted our universe is not even in that place known as NOTHING but transcends it. Watch the video as advised. .

Already addressed .



Here you are creating problematic scenarios for yourself again. The universe has no mind to itself. It rather has a mind which influenced it and "ordered it's steps" as it were so it behaves in ways not destructive to itself but supportive (for a time) Remember the adage that says, the bigger they are the harder they fall? Well the larger something is, (in this case the universe) the easier it is to destroy and just one component out of place would easily topple it and cause it to quickly fall apart due to matter displacement but the universe has always found a balance because nothing is ever out of place. Also by saying the universe has its own mind you just laid claim that the universe is alive. If a scientist had read that part of your comment right now he would only have one word for you and it's BULLSHÌT!

the universe is mindless but purpose driven (deliberately) even scientists find this baffling. Why does the universe behave the way it does and not just create a mess all day every day? Everytime they want to say God, they always find a way to bite their own tongue

But the truth can never be denied.

Tohzara:
What is the point of this statement and what does it change? Is the one who designed the website a part of the website or inside it?

What the fücking hell is this? On what basis does anyone arrive at the conclusion that he couldn't have been created because he created an extremely complex universe? How does that follow?

Sorry, I don't understand this.

WHAT DID SCIENCE SAY CAUSED THE BIG BANG, butterflyl1on if you are ready to be a cautious, i will go ahead with the faith definition with you. based on science context, fait means either being convinced or having confidence. – http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faith. so we can work along that phenomenon.




Incomprehensible and unintelligible.

Science cannot prove the existence of an immaterial, non-physical entity, because it's founded upon materialism and empiricism. If the whole of reality is physical and material, amenable to scientific study, then your God does not exist.



Do you know the definition of faith?

I was throwing up assumptions to show you that I have alternatives to all your unproven and unprovable fantasies.

Where did I make this claim?

Science cannot call it an impossibility if it cannot or has not observed it. "Science doesn't know yet" is different from "science says it is impossible".



1) When the science make the claim to know what is outside our universe?

2) What is "NOTHING"? Define "NOTHING".



Your claims also have no scientific backing, so what rubbish are you saying?
Moreover, science isn't infallible.

The universe is mindless but purpose driven. Just like a human being is mindless but purpose driven. Because mindless things can be teleological. Even butterflies are mindless but purpose driven.

Tohzara:
What is the point of this statement and what does it change? Is the one who designed the website a part of the website or inside it?

What the fücking hell is this? On what basis does anyone arrive at the conclusion that he couldn't have been created because he created an extremely complex universe? How does that follow?

Sorry, I don't understand this.

WHAT DID SCIENCE SAY CAUSED THE BIG BANG, butterflyl1on if you are ready to be cautious, i will go ahead with the faith definition with you. based on science context, faith means either being convinced or having confidence. – http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faith. so we can work along that phenomenon.




Incomprehensible and unintelligible.

Science cannot prove the existence of an immaterial, non-physical entity, because it's founded upon materialism and empiricism. If the whole of reality is physical and material, amenable to scientific study, then your God does not exist.



Do you know the definition of faith?

I was throwing up assumptions to show you that I have alternatives to all your unproven and unprovable fantasies.

Where did I make this claim?

Science cannot call it an impossibility if it cannot or has not observed it. "Science doesn't know yet" is different from "science says it is impossible".



1) When the science make the claim to know what is outside our universe?

2) What is "NOTHING"? Define "NOTHING".



Your claims also have no scientific backing, so what rubbish are you saying?
Moreover, science isn't infallible.

The universe is mindless but purpose driven. Just like a human being is mindless but purpose driven. Because mindless things can be teleological. Even butterflies are mindless but purpose driven.

vaxx:
just like you are being stupid again.....i am not emotionally inferior, i am mentally balance . MR foul mouth, i am very sensitive to your kind of folks not because of your street language alone but just because i will not be learning anything new.

Tohzara:
Lol. Stressing yourself over what an anonymous person says to you on a faceless forum. Oya, sorry, don't let it get to you. I apologize for hurting your feelings. Didn't know you were sensitive to online jabs.

Sorry. I won't insult you again.

vaxx:
Am sure the atheist folks we not see anything wrong from this post. missing pseudoscience and science together to call it proof.... he even said the earth is 4-6 billion years. i guess he is missing universe and earth together.

OkCornel:
But the Universe is growing and expanding...which points to the fact that it had a start point...

can something eternal have a start point? or in all honesty am I getting something wrong here?

purem:
Who was your English teacher sef

Tohzara:
Lol. Stressing yourself over what an anonymous person says to you on a faceless forum. Oya, sorry, don't let it get to you. I apologize for hurting your feelings. Didn't know you were sensitive to online jabs.

ZirdoRoray:
Mankind was created by a Universal Male God who encourages, war, rape, blood sacrifice, violence, injustice, absurdity and contradictions. He used the jews to kill almost everyone in the Bible and won't hesitate to watch the whole world burn in the lake of fire forever because they did not believe in him. He has the power to end suffering but he keeps on watching because it pleases him and will do as he pleases. It really takes a lot of faith to believe that. Isn't God Wonderful?

On a more humane/logical level, there are two main contending school of thoughts for the existence of humanity.
1. That of evolution. Don't forget the earth is 4.6 billion years old. So that's quite a long time for life to form and a specie to evolve.

2. Alot of Texts written by scholars supports the concept of the
creation of humanity by extra-terrestrials through genetic
engineering.
Humanity was created by extra-terrestrials who needed slave
laborers in the mines. By taking the ovum from a Cro-
Magnon primate and using artificial insemination with a
sperm from one of the Nephilim, we were created. We did not
evolve naturally, as opposed to animals who have overall
better health and immunity. Ancient civilizations were more
advanced than we think. Take the pyramids of Giza as an
example, even present day scientists have difficulty in fully
understanding the science behind the buildings. It is points
to highly advanced Extraterrestrials as the originator of such.
Don't forget there are such pyramids all over the world and
weird enough they all points to the constellation of orion in
the sky. The entire world have always been paganistic and
had similar beliefs of been created by advanced
Extraterrestrials they called Gods. They also state these
Gods taught them civilization.
Most of these got lost in endless wars and global
catastrophes.

ZirdoRoray:
Lol.. the earth is not 6k years old as your blabble says. The Earth is 4.6 billion years old and the universe is about 13.82 billion years old.

Scientists are on a race to prove the existence of Aliens. I merely quoted history and you called it pseudoscience.

purem:
Your English is giving me headache

Who was your English teacher sef

modik:
If it makes you happy, can I assume you , the poster ( ZirdoRoray) is wiser and more knowledgeable than your maker? <<<<<>>>>>>>Yes or Yes?

Seun:
If God owned Nairaland, he would not operate any account on Nairaland.

He would communicate the rules by sending anonymous messages to random members, the chosen.

The rules presented by each chosen member would contradict the rules presented by the others.

There would be no way of knowing which chosen member had the correct rules.

People would just choose to follow whichever rules the person who invited them to the forum happened to follow.

There would be brutal flame-wars between the people following different sets of rules.

For each set of rules given by the chosen members, there would be multiple interpretations by random members.

The interpreters would claim to have received anonymous clues from the owner which they used to interpret the rules.

There would be brutal flame-wars between people following different interpretations of each set of rules.

Most of the chosen would have deleted their accounts and all posts in which they originally presented their rules.

There would be multiple versions of each set of rules floating about, with no way of knowing if any is correct.

People who broke the rules wouldn't be banned, because the chosen and the interpreters wouldn't have any actual powers.

Interpreters would threaten those who broke their rules that the owner would kill them after they deactivated their accounts.

The most famous interpreter would say that all rules are equally important: typos and posting porn pictures are the same.

That all members have broken the rules, so they deserve to be killed by the owner after they deactivate their accounts.

--

But there's good news: the owner's son joined the forum, and he presented his own version of the rules.

Though he was the only member who never broke any rule, his account was deactivated for the sins of the rule-breakers.

But the account was reactivated later and he was not killed because he was found to be innocent of rule-breaking.

And after his account was reactivated, he sent anonymous messages to some interpreters who are no longer active.

Therefore any rule-breaker who believes that the owner's son's account was deactivated for his errors shall not be killed!

The owner created a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.

The son's profile was transferred to the new forum 3 minutes after reactivation, which is why it cannot be viewed.

But some members recall that some members said that some interpreters said they saw the son's reactivated profile.

--

What a mess that would be.

ZirdoRoray:
Is it so scary for one to make deliberate/logical use of their mental faculty without thinking they are offending God?