salvation101:
u r only here to make a f00l of yourself. This thread is obviously beyond you. U claim to be atheist but still feel the need to be seen or heard on a religious thread

Ifenes is not an atheist

stephendamsoho:


Ifenes is not an atheist

so wat is he?

salvation101:
so wat is he?

He can best be described as a pantheist.

Ubenedictus:
see issues settled thousands of years ago.

I don't understand why some people enjoy confusing themselves.

there is no polygamy in Christianity, Jesus has restored marriage to its original prefall state, it was not so in the beginning.

The bro seemed to be sincere, he was like "prove it from the law" his notion was that "if the law doesn't condemn it-it's no sin"...

He subscribes to "justification by works of the law"

So to him,,,, if the law doesn't condemn it ... It's not sin......

So how can he be convinced that, it's not right? Or that it's a sin

salvation101:
u r only here to make a f00l of yourself. This thread is obviously beyond you. U claim to be atheist but still feel the need to be seen or heard on a religious thread

I do not claim to be anything cos I’m nothing. I’m only here to talk about a weapon of mass destruction called religion( especially Christianity). The thread is for everyone and only believed by those not privileged to think for themselves

salvation101:

I ask you to show me any where in the new testament that make polygamy permissible. At least we know Peter was married, how many wives did he marry? Is the office of a bishop greater than that of an Apostle? Apostle paul didn't marry.
Paul gave Timothy was a Bishop, the very first Bishop of Ephesus, was he married? Paul d Apostle wrote to him on the qualities he should look at before laying his hands on men to do the work of God. He listed those criterias to Timothy.

Like i said earlier, show me portions in the new testament that makes polygamy permissible. Its u same folks dat will say tithing is an old testament thing but would run to the old testament to support a belief dat has no place in Christianity

Yea, u ar very right, there is no portion of the new testament that makes polygamy permissible same also there is no portion there that condemns polygamy.
The two shall be one flesh as we know implies that when u get married to someone the two of u shall be one flesh, it doesn't mean that a man cannot be one flesh with another woman while being one flesh with the wife or that a woman cannot be one flesh with another man while being one flesh with the husband, if not, Paul would not have said in 1 Cor 6 vs 16 that he who has sex with a harlot is one flesh with her. So, assuming a married man has sex with a harlot, according to Paul's logic, he is automatically one flesh with the harlot even while being one flesh with the wife too. What makes that having sex with a harlot a sin is the fact that it is adultery because he is not married to the harlot, that is what Bible condemns.
It doesn't mean that being one flesh with more than one partner at a time is a sin, once u ar married to ur partners. The new testament never anywhere said that.
Even in 1 Timothy 3 that Paul gave the requirements for a bishop, he said a bishop must be husband of one wife, must be self controlled, respectable etc, this shows that there were actually some men in the church there who were having more than one wife, who weren't self controlled, respectable etc but they were still allowed and they were still part of the early Christians, if not, Paul would not have been giving such a criteria as having only wife as part of qualifications for a bishop.
If a company places a public advert and says that all candidates applying for job with them must have upper credit, what it means is that there are actually some candidates who might want to apply but they don't have upper credit.
I hope u understand where I am coming from.

salvation101:

I ask you to show me any where in the new testament that make polygamy permissible. At least we know Peter was married, how many wives did he marry? Is the office of a bishop greater than that of an Apostle? Apostle paul didn't marry.
Paul gave Timothy was a Bishop, the very first Bishop of Ephesus, was he married? Paul d Apostle wrote to him on the qualities he should look at before laying his hands on men to do the work of God. He listed those criterias to Timothy.

Like i said earlier, show me portions in the new testament that makes polygamy permissible. Its u same folks dat will say tithing is an old testament thing but would run to the old testament to support a belief dat has no place in Christianity

nwamehn has answered you

you dont want your (future) husband to marry a second wife ?

owww, you want to own 50% of the home . would you be angry be one of his wives, would you rebel and refuse to be submissive

Ubenedictus:
see issues settled thousands of years ago.

I don't understand why some people enjoy confusing themselves.

there is no polygamy in Christianity, Jesus has restored marriage to its original prefall state, it was not so in the beginning.

was there sex prefall?

as we know it Jesus told them no sex in God's Kingdom

anyway christianity is a religion not founded by Christ Jesus but by gentile men

jamescross:
nwamehn has answered you

you dont want your (future) husband to marry a second wife ?

owww, you want to own 50% of the home . would you be angry be one of his wives, would you rebel and refuse to be submissive

i would ignore the personal jab. It is usually resorted to wen u av nothing left in d arsenal. Am still waiting for you to prove me wrong with scripturea

salvation101:
i would ignore the personal jab. It is usually resorted to wen u av nothing left in d arsenal. Am still waiting for you to prove me wrong with scripturea

common where is your sense of humor.

you want me to prove you wrong scripturally about what

where did you get the monogamy proof from, what scripture commands all believers must have one wife, it's the same twisting of gospel that brought the tithing fiasco. making a doctrine out of nothing

nwamehn:


Yea, u ar very right, there is no portion of the new testament that makes polygamy permissible same also there is no portion there that condemns polygamy.

As a matter of fact there are several places that condemned polygamy, the place where the requirements for being a bishop was mentioned, can you point any of those other qualities that was required and is not required from an average Christian?
There is no place in the new testament where plurality was used to refer to spouse.

The two shall be one flesh as we know implies that when u get married to someone the two of u shall be one flesh, it doesn't mean that a man cannot be one flesh with another woman while being one flesh with the wife or that a woman cannot be one flesh with another man while being one flesh with the husband, if not, Paul would not have said in 1 Cor 6 vs 16 that he who has sex with a harlot is one flesh with her. So, assuming a married man has sex with a harlot, according to Paul's logic, he is automatically one flesh with the harlot even while being one flesh with the wife too. What makes that having sex with a harlot a sin is the fact that it is adultery because he is not married to the harlot, that is what Bible condemns.
It doesn't mean that being one flesh with more than one partner at a time is a sin, once u ar married to ur partners. The new testament never anywhere said that.

dat is talking of the Spiritual implications and damning consequences of immorality as was prevalent in the Corinthian church. He warned them not to even eat with any brother that was a fornicator cos of the far reaching consequences. He talked about destruction of the flesh by the devil.
If God wanted to permit polygamy he would have created more than one woman for Adam. Monogamy has always been the perfect will of God all of God's creation was in a pair.. Check out the lives of men who walked with God before the law, Noah was monogamous, Abraham was cos God asked him to send Hagar away and he never married again till after the death of Sarah. His Brother Lot who was regarded as a righteous man too was monogamous. Isaac too was monogamous. Jacob who was polygamous became polygamous because he was tricked into it. He loved Rachel he was given leah. He only married the two of them. Those other women were the maids of either of them. The law permitted polygamy because of the hardness of mens heart.. Listen carefully to what Jesus said in Matt 19:8 "moses permitted" you to divorce your wives... In the beginning it was not so. Dis shows to you that there where some parts of the Law that came from Moses' discretion but not the perfect will of God

Even in 1 Timothy 3 that Paul gave the requirements for a bishop, he said a bishop must be husband of one wife, must be self controlled, respectable etc, this shows that there were actually some men in the church there who were having more than one wife, who weren't self controlled, respectable etc but they were still allowed and they were still part of the early Christians, if not, Paul would not have been giving such a criteria as having only wife as part of qualifications for a bishop.

Here is where you got it wrong. Is it everyone that attends the church that is a Christian? Of course even in our churches there are people who aren't yet ready to obey God and dat is why they are not fit to work in the vineyard of God. In the early church there were both gentile and jew converts. Being converted doesn't take away all your past mistakes. Paul here wrote to a Timothy who was the Bishop Paul appointed over the Ephesian church, Timothy wasn't even married. Does it mean that unmarried people cannot be bishops? Is the office of an Apostle not greater than that of the bishop? Paul told Timothy not to lay hands hastily on any man (appointing them with responsibility in the vineyard), he told him not to allow them despise his youth cos he was a young man and there were old folks in the church who would wanna take up responsibility upon theirselves. He told him basic requirement he should look out for firstly before he can then consider appointing them into the bishopric. Anyone who met those requirements are obviously obedient and consecrated believers.

If a company places a public advert and says that all candidates applying for job with them must have upper credit, what it means is that there are actually some candidates who might want to apply but they don't have upper credit.
I hope u understand where I am coming from.

of course i do. Why don't you go back to read the whole book of Timothy to understand the letter Paul was writing to Timothy. Paul was the one dat established the church at Ephesus and he had brought up Timothy at a very young age. He den made Timothy the Bishop of the church before he left.. He wrote a letter to both instruct Timothy on how to administer the church and also to encourage him.

jamescross:
common where is your sense of humor.

you want me to prove you wrong scripturally about what

where did you get the monogamy proof from, what scripture commands all believers must have one wife, it's the same twisting of gospel that brought the tithing fiasco. making a doctrine out of nothing

so ur wives are also permitted to have more than one husbands isn't it? There is polyandry too you know?

salvation101:
so ur wives are also permitted to have more than one husbands isn't it? There is polyandry too you know?

no not really women are not permitted to be heads or have authority over men.

you see you can't serve two masters, or have two lords. being submissive to more than one is whoredom. then trying to rule over men, just simply goes against God's order of things.

my wives hehehe lemme blush , women really want to rule ruin the world

ofcourse there is polyandry i know, but what is the woman, their 'husband - lord' or what? whose name will her children bear, is she the one wedding and ruling of them

salvation101:

As a matter of fact there are several places that condemned polygamy, the place where the requirements for being a bishop was mentioned, can you point any of those other qualities that was required and is not required from an average Christian?
There is no place in the new testament where plurality was used to refer to spouse.

dat is talking of the Spiritual implications and damning consequences of immorality as was prevalent in the Corinthian church. He warned them not to even eat with any brother that was a fornicator cos of the far reaching consequences. He talked about destruction of the flesh by the devil.
If God wanted to permit polygamy he would have created more than one woman for Adam. Monogamy has always been the perfect will of God all of God's creation was in a pair.. Check out the lives of men who walked with God before the law, Noah was monogamous, Abraham was cos God asked him to send Hagar away and he never married again till after the death of Sarah. His Brother Lot who was regarded as a righteous man too was monogamous. Isaac too was monogamous. Jacob who was polygamous became polygamous because he was tricked into it. He loved Rachel he was given leah. He only married the two of them. Those other women were the maids of either of them. The law permitted polygamy because of the hardness of mens heart.. Listen carefully to what Jesus said in Matt 19:8 "moses permitted" you to divorce your wives... In the beginning it was not so. Dis shows to you that there where some parts of the Law that came from Moses' discretion but not the perfect will of God


Here is where you got it wrong. Is it everyone that attends the church that is a Christian? Of course even in our churches there are people who aren't yet ready to obey God and dat is why they are not fit to work in the vineyard of God. In the early church there were both gentile and jew converts. Being converted doesn't take away all your past mistakes. Paul here wrote to a Timothy who was the Bishop Paul appointed over the Ephesian church, Timothy wasn't even married. Does it mean that unmarried people cannot be bishops? Is the office of an Apostle not greater than that of the bishop? Paul told Timothy not to lay hands hastily on any man (appointing them with responsibility in the vineyard), he told him not to allow them despise his youth cos he was a young man and there were old folks in the church who would wanna take up responsibility upon theirselves. He told him basic requirement he should look out for firstly before he can then consider appointing them into the bishopric. Anyone who met those requirements are obviously obedient and consecrated believers.

of course i do. Why don't you go back to read the whole book of Timothy to understand the letter Paul was writing to Timothy. Paul was the one dat established the church at Ephesus and he had brought up Timothy at a very young age. He den made Timothy the Bishop of the church before he left.. He wrote a letter to both instruct Timothy on how to administer the church and also to encourage him.

True... Not all in the church are actually true Christians

jamescross:
no not really women are not permitted to be heads or have authority over men.

you see you can't serve two masters, or have two lords. being submissive to more than one is whoredom. then trying to rule over men, just simply goes against God's order of things.

my wives hehehe lemme blush , women really want to rule ruin the world

ofcourse there is polyandry i know, but what is the woman, their 'husband - lord' or what? whose name will her children bear, is she the one wedding and ruling of them

now this funny .. See how you ran for cover at the sight of the idea that your wife could have more than one husbands.. Well ur have a very wrong idea of wat submission and love Paul talked about is.
The marriage relationship between a man and his wife is likened to the relationship between Christ and the church.. The church is singular, not plural cos the is only one church.. The love Christ had for the church made him sacrifice his life for it and paul mentioned it there." Love your wives even as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it" love begets submission. The submission of woman to the man is also likened to the church and Christ. The church should be submitted to Christ and Christ alone.. Submissive doesn't mean she wouldn't have her own opinion.. If u don't treat ur wife with love, u do not deserve her submission. Shikenan

Salvation101
FOR UR FIRST PARAGRAPH
1. Regarding the requirements for being a bishop that Paul listed in 1 Timothy 3 and ur linking it to requirements for an average Christian, u said I should point out one requirement there that is not a must for average Christian, I will point more than one:
A. in verse 6, Paul said that an intending bishop cannot be a newly born again, so do u mean that all Christians must be old converts otherwise they are sinners?
B. in verse 2, Paul said that an intending bishop must be able to teach, so do u mean any Christian who is not able to teach is sinner?
C. in verse 7, Paul said that an intending bishop must be well thought of by outsiders, so do u mean that any true Christian who outsiders do not think good of is automatically a sinner? Remember that only Jesus’s followers thought good of Him, the Jews didn’t think good of Jesus hence they echoed to Pilate to release Barabbas and crucify Jesus – Luke 23 vs 13 - 18, so going by ur logic, would u also call Jesus a sinner because he wasn’t thought well of by outsiders?
Ur logic is that, since Paul said a bishop must have only one wife, then it means that any Christian with more than one wife is a sinner, now Paul also said that a bishop should not be a new convert, he also said that a bishop must be able to teach, he also said that a bishop must be well thought of by outsiders and not hated by outsiders as Jesus was, so going by ur logic, ar u also saying that any Christian who is a new convert, or not able to teach, or thought bad of by outsiders like Jesus was is a sinner?
2. Plurality is never used to refer to spouse because every marriage makes the man and woman one, even every sex makes the man and woman one according to 1 Cor 6 vs 16. You can be one with more than one person. As far as sex and marriage is concerned, a man is one with the first wife and also one with the second wife, and that ends there, in other things like the heavenly race for instance they are not one but two, that is why every man must answer for his own deeds on the last day, nothing like being one there. So, u see where singularity starts and ends?

FOR UR SECOND PARAGRAPH
3. Paul warning them not to eat with a fornicator or whatever doesn’t change the fact that he said that when u have sex with a harlot, u ar one with the harlot, and he even referred to that same Genesis 2 vs 24 where God first said that the two shall be one flesh.
4. U said that if God wanted to permit polygamy He would have created more than one woman for Adam, so ar u the person that will now dictate to God who to create and who not to? If God Himself permits polygamy but for some reasons best known to Him decides to create only one Eve, would u question Him? Even if He didn’t create any Eve at all, who would question Him? Or, ar u now trying to use the ways of man to understand God’s ways?
So, because God created one man and one woman, it means that God was against polygamy shebi? Now let me ask u, did God create tithe when he created man and woman? No. So, does it mean He is against tithing? The television u watch today, did God create it when He created man and woman? No. Does it also mean He is against television? There are humans born today with multiple sex organs while there are majority born with just one sex organ, it’s either Eve had only one sex organ when she was created or she had multiple sex organs. Assuming u decide to choose that she had only one sex organ, does it mean God is against people with multiple sex organs? Did God create twins? But today men and women give birth to twins, why not tell me that God hates twins simply because He didn’t create any twins when He created the man and woman. Did God create engineers and lawyers? No, Adam was a farmer, so would u tell me that God is against engineers and lawyers simply because He didn’t create engineers and lawyers at the time He created the man and woman?
You see how this particular logic sounds? That God created only one man and one woman doesn’t mean He is against polygamy, He never said anywhere in the Bible that He was or is against polygamy, majority of the people He loved most and worked with in the Bible were polygamous eg Jacob, David, Solomon etc.
5. Pls, don’t say what the Bible didn’t say, the law didn’t permit polygamy, polygamy had been even before the law. The law was only given by Moses. Whether Jacob was tricked to marry more than one wife or not, the fact remains that he married more than one wife, and God didn’t do anything to him, in fact, God even blessed him and changed his name to Israel.
The law only came through Moses, and please read that Matthew 19 vs 8 well, u will see that what Jesus told them was that Moses permitted them to DIVORCE their wives because of the hardness of their hearts and not POLYGAMY. Polygamy and Divorce aren’t the same. The Bible condemns divorce in so many verses, but nowhere does the Bible condemn polygamy. Read the entire Matthew 19 vs 1 - 12, it never talked about polygamy, but only divorce which Jesus Himself condemned.

FOR UR LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS
6. Those requirements were for any person who would be made a bishop and not for every Christian, any man who meets those requirements is definitely an obedient and consecrated believer as u said, I agree, but it still doesn’t mean that any Christian that doesn’t have those requirements listed is a sinner as I pointed out in my number 1 point above.
Ur logic is that, since Paul said a bishop must have only one wife, then it means that any Christian with more than one wife is a sinner, now in that same chapter, Paul also said that a bishop should not be a new convert, he also said that a bishop must be able to teach, so going by ur logic, ar u also saying that any Christian who is a new convert, or who is not able to teach according to the requirements Paul listed there, is also a sinner?

If only u can point out one verse in the old or new testament where Bible says that polygamy is a sin, then all of us would learn. Polygamy is like how to pay tithe, the new testament never taught how to pay ur tithe, so also it never condemned paying of tithes, so nobody can say that someone is a sinner for paying 15% or 10.2% of his salary as tithe instead of 10%.

nwamehn:
Salvation101
FOR UR FIRST PARAGRAPH
1. Regarding the requirements for being a bishop that Paul listed in 1 Timothy 3 and ur linking it to requirements for an average Christian, u said I should point out one requirement there that is not a must for average Christian, I will point more than one:

good

A. in verse 6, Paul said that an intending bishop cannot be a newly born again, so do u mean that all Christians must be old converts otherwise they are sinners?

how would you make a new convert who knows next to nothing about Christianity a leader in the church?

B. in verse 2, Paul said that an intending bishop must be able to teach, so do u mean any Christian who is not able to teach is sinner?

nope but any experienced Christian can teach on any topic.. Jesus didn't just instruct his disciples to preach he also instructed everyone to teach Matt28:10

C. in verse 7, Paul said that an intending bishop must be well thought of by outsiders, so do u mean that any true Christian who outsiders do not think good of is automatically a sinner? Remember that only Jesus’s followers thought good of Him, the Jews didn’t think good of Jesus hence they echoed to Pilate to release Barabbas and crucify Jesus – Luke 23 vs 13 - 18, so going by ur logic, would u also call Jesus a sinner because he wasn’t thought well of by outsiders?

You cannot take a candlestick and put under a bushel. The pharisees never had any problem with Jesus being a righteous man but because he was against their traditions. Nicodemus cane to him and told him they knew he was sent by God. Forget dat talk about a Christian being taken for an unbeliever. If you are a genuine Christian, u do not need to put a sign board on your head, people will know. Same requirement was mentioned in the book of Acts6 in selection of Deacons. Why is lesser than that not good enough to work for God?

Ur logic is that, since Paul said a bishop must have only one wife, then it means that any Christian with more than one wife is a sinner, now Paul also said that a bishop should not be a new convert, he also said that a bishop must be able to teach, he also said that a bishop must be well thought of by outsiders and not hated by outsiders as Jesus was, so going by ur logic, ar u also saying that any Christian who is a new convert, or not able to teach, or thought bad of by outsiders like Jesus was is a sinner?

Yes, a man who calls himself a Christian and is polygamous is either an adamant Christian or a new convert who is yet to make necessary corrections to his past errors cos Christianity never teaches polygamy.

2. Plurality is never used to refer to spouse because every marriage makes the man and woman one, even every sex makes the man and woman one according to 1 Cor 6 vs 16. You can be one with more than one person. As far as sex and marriage is concerned, a man is one with the first wife and also one with the second wife, and that ends there, in other things like the heavenly race for instance they are not one but two, that is why every man must answer for his own deeds on the last day, nothing like being one there. So, u see where singularity starts and ends?

according to the very words of Jesus, "for this purpose shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and the twain shall be one flesh" where is the plurality in that? Paul refered to that verse when he was warning the Corinthians against immorality.

FOR UR SECOND PARAGRAPH
3. Paul warning them not to eat with a fornicator or whatever doesn’t change the fact that he said that when u have sex with a harlot, u ar one with the harlot, and he even referred to that same Genesis 2 vs 24 where God first said that the two shall be one flesh.

it simply meant that when you sleep with an harlot, you become an harlot and share the same judgment. You are one flesh and dat was why dey were dieing after eating the communion

4. U said that if God wanted to permit polygamy He would have created more than one woman for Adam, so ar u the person that will now dictate to God who to create and who not to? If God Himself permits polygamy but for some reasons best known to Him decides to create only one Eve, would u question Him? Even if He didn’t create any Eve at all, who would question Him? Or, ar u now trying to use the ways of man to understand God’s ways?

absolutely. God created everything and it was perfect.

So, because God created one man and one woman, it means that God was against polygamy shebi? Now let me ask u, did God create tithe when he created man and woman? No. So, does it mean He is against tithing?

do you even know the meaning of creation? How can you say God created tithing when tithing was simply an ordinance instructed by God to ensure that there was never lack in the temple. Tithing is an idea and not a creation

The television u watch today, did God create it when He created man and woman? No. Does it also mean He is against television?

With dis statement you seem to agree that polygamy is a man made concept. Television is man made

There are humans born today with multiple sex organs while there are majority born with just one sex organ, it’s either Eve had only one sex organ when she was created or she had multiple sex organs.[/heretic] even in science, d scenerio u mentioned is an anormally known as genetic mutation nd plastic surgery takes care of it. Everything God made was made perfectly, how can you infer God created a mutant woman, it is purely heretic

[quote] Assuming u decide to choose that she had only one sex organ, does it mean God is against people with multiple sex organs?

God is not against someone with a physical deformity and am sure if they seek God more for a miracle they will get healed of it.

Did God create twins? But today men and women give birth to twins, why not tell me that God hates twins simply because He didn’t create any twins when He created the man and woman.[\quote] yes God blessed the man and woman to be fruitful and multiply. He blessed the woman with the ability to procreate. Yes God created twins

[quote] Did God create engineers and lawyers? No, Adam was a farmer, so would u tell me that God is against engineers and lawyers simply because He didn’t create engineers and lawyers at the time He created the man and woman?

man created these professions same way many created polygamy and polyandry. If u accept one u should accept the other as well

You see how this particular logic sounds? That God created only one man and one woman doesn’t mean He is against polygamy, He never said anywhere in the Bible that He was or is against polygamy, majority of the people He loved most and worked with in the Bible were polygamous eg Jacob, David, Solomon etc
5. Pls, don’t say what the Bible didn’t say, the law didn’t permit polygamy, polygamy had been even before the law. The law was only given by Moses. Whether Jacob was tricked to marry more than one wife or not, the fact remains that he married more than one wife, and God didn’t do anything to him, in fact, God even blessed him and changed his name to Israel.

in the old testament it was permissible.. Abraham was monogamous, Isaac was, Noah was.. These are pre mosaic saints.. The law was done away with, the law permitted polygamy because of the hardeness of mans heart.. The law on marriage dat allows polygamy also allowed divorce. Dis law was given by moses because of hardeness of mans heart.

The law only came through Moses, and please read that Matthew 19 vs 8 well, u will see that what Jesus told them was that Moses permitted them to DIVORCE their wives because of the hardness of their hearts and not POLYGAMY. Polygamy and Divorce aren’t the same. The Bible condemns divorce in so many verses, but nowhere does the Bible condemn polygamy. Read the entire Matthew 19 vs 1 - 12, it never talked about polygamy, but only divorce which Jesus Himself condemned.

Jesus said Moses permitted divorce but in the beginning it was not so. U he took dem to Gen 2 where God instituted marriage before the fall of man. Polygamy is for fallen men

FOR UR LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS
6. Those requirements were for any person who would be made a bishop and not for every Christian, any man who meets those requirements is definitely an obedient and consecrated believer as u said, I agree, but it still doesn’t mean that any Christian that doesn’t have those requirements listed is a sinner as I pointed out in my number 1 point above.
Ur logic is that, since Paul said a bishop must have only one wife, then it means that any Christian with more than one wife is a sinner, now in that same chapter, Paul also said that a bishop should not be a new convert, he also said that a bishop must be able to teach, so going by ur logic, ar u also saying that any Christian who is a new convert, or who is not able to teach according to the requirements Paul listed there, is also a sinner?

i answered already

If only u can point out one verse in the old or new testament where Bible says that polygamy is a sin, then all of us would learn. Polygamy is like how to pay tithe, the new testament never taught how to pay ur tithe, so also it never condemned paying of tithes, so nobody can say that someone is a sinner for paying 15% or 10.2% of his salary as tithe instead of 10%.

i have done already.. Where Jesus took his disciples back to where marriage was instituted. In the beginning it was not so.

By the way, wat is d difference between a man and a woman according to the Bible? If you support polygamy, then why wouldn't you support polyandry?

salvation101:
good

how would you make a new convert who knows next to nothing about Christianity a leader in the church?

nope but any experienced Christian can teach on any topic.. Jesus didn't just instruct his disciples to preach he also instructed everyone to teach Matt28:10


You cannot take a candlestick and put under a bushel. The pharisees never had any problem with Jesus being a righteous man but because he was against their traditions. Nicodemus cane to him and told him they knew he was sent by God. Forget dat talk about a Christian being taken for an unbeliever. If you are a genuine Christian, u do not need to put a sign board on your head, people will know. Same requirement was mentioned in the book of Acts6 in selection of Deacons. Why is lesser than that not good enough to work for God?


Yes, a man who calls himself a Christian and is polygamous is either an adamant Christian or a new convert who is yet to make necessary corrections to his past errors cos Christianity never teaches polygamy.

according to the very words of Jesus, "for this purpose shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and the twain shall be one flesh" where is the plurality in that? Paul refered to that verse when he was warning the Corinthians against immorality.

it simply meant that when you sleep with an harlot, you become an harlot and share the same judgment. You are one flesh and dat was why dey were dieing after eating the communion

absolutely. God created everything and it was perfect.

do you even know the meaning of creation? How can you say God created tithing when tithing was simply an ordinance instructed by God to ensure that there was never lack in the temple. Tithing is an idea and not a creation


With dis statement you seem to agree that polygamy is a man made concept. Television is man made

FOR UR RESPONSE TO MY FIRST POINT
I am not saying that Paul was right or wrong in listing his requirements for someone to be a bishop, he had his reasons for listing those requirements for intending bishops, but my point is that if a Christian doesn't have those requirements, it doesn't make him a sinner.
Pls, u haven't answered my question. I don't really concern myself with anything like adamant Christian, to me, it's either u ar a Christian or u ar a sinner. U can't be in the middle.
U said that a man who is polygamous is a sinner because of Paul's list of requirements for being a bishop, would u also say that a Christian who is a new convert is a sinner?

Would u also say that a Christian who is not able to teach is a sinner?

FOR UR RESPONSE TO MY NUMBER 4 POINT
Pls, read my text well, I didn't say that God created tithe, I even asked u that question and answered it there as No that God didn't create it but it doesn't mean He is against it. Polygamy is part of the man made things that God didn't create, other man made things are included in the list I gave there which ar tithe, television, engineers, lawyers etc. U ar saying that since God didn't create polygamy but it's man made, then it means that polygamy is sin, now answer me, God didn't create tithe, television, lawyers, engineers, does it mean that people who practise tithing, people who watch television, lawyers and engineers ar all sinners too, based on ur logic? Or would u choose man-made polygamy and call it sin, and then leave other man-made things like tithing, television etc?

FOR UR RESPONSE TO MY NUMBER 5 POINT
Pls, Jacob was polygamous, u named monogamous people but u didn't name the polygamous ones, polygamy had existed even before the law. Jacob had been before Moses.
What Jesus said in Matthew 19 vs 8 that the law permitted for the hardness of people's hearts was divorce and not polygamy. It was divorce that the pharisees even asked him about and not polygamy.
Let me quote that verse 8 for u, "Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning".
Jesus never said that Moses permitted them to marry more than one wife because of the hardness of their hearts, so why ar u mixing polygamy and divorce? They both mean separate things and can never be the same. Jesus never even talked about polygamy all his days on earth but he said a lot about divorce and advised against it, why ar u now saying that Jesus condemned polygamy whereas the verse u refer to showed that he condemned only divorce?

FOR UR LAST PARAGRAPH
If u read my first post well u would have seen where I said that a woman can be one with more than one man same way a man can be one with more than one woman. So, pls I support polyandry too, Bible didn't condemn either polygamy nor polyandry.
U have not been able to show a verse that condemns polygamy or polyandry. U have only been referring to Jesus's quote that condemned divorce, but Jesus didn't condemn divorce because it wasn't so in the beginning, He condemned it because it leads to adultery because if u divorce ur wife and both of u remain unmarried forever, then u didn't commit adultery so u didn't sin - 1 Corinthians 7 vs 10 - 11. Read that Matt 19 well u will see where he said that if u divorce and go to marry another then u commit adultery.
So many things were not so in the beginning, so many things were man made, but not being so in the beginning doesn't make it a sin. Divorce, polygamy, tithe, television, lawyers, engineers ar all man made, they were not so in the beginning, but it doesn't make all of them sins.
Only divorce is a sin there and what makes divorce a sin is adultery, as stated in Matt 19. But nothing makes polygamy a sin, not even one verse in the Bible both old and new testament says that polygamy is a sin, polygamy is just like other man made things like tithe, television, football etc which have no sin in them.

salvation101:
now this funny .. See how you ran for cover at the sight of the idea that your wife could have more than one husbands.. Well ur have a very wrong idea of wat submission and love Paul talked about is.
The marriage relationship between a man and his wife is likened to the relationship between Christ and the church.. The church is singular, not plural cos the is only one church.. The love Christ had for the church made him sacrifice his life for it and paul mentioned it there." Love your wives even as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it" love begets submission. The submission of woman to the man is also likened to the church and Christ. The church should be submitted to Christ and Christ alone.. Submissive doesn't mean she wouldn't have her own opinion.. If u don't treat ur wife with love, u do not deserve her submission. Shikenan

hehehehahaaaae

of course she/they can have her/their own opinion she/they is/are not a doll(s) in the first place.

Love all your wives and treat them fairly,

nwamehn:



FOR UR RESPONSE TO MY FIRST POINT
I am not saying that Paul was right or wrong in listing his requirements for someone to be a bishop, he had his reasons for listing those requirements for intending bishops, but my point is that if a Christian doesn't have those requirements, it doesn't make him a sinner.
Pls, u haven't answered my question. I don't really concern myself with anything like adamant Christian, to me, it's either u ar a Christian or u ar a sinner. U can't be in the middle.

U can be a sinning church goer, u can also be a disobedient believer.. As a new creature u will need to learn God and unlearn the world. Restitution is sometimes needed too. You lied against someone and he is in jail and you got converted, you still take the truth to the grave wen someone is suffering unjustly?

U said that a man who is polygamous is a sinner because of Paul's list of requirements for being a bishop, would u also say that a Christian who is a new convert is a sinner?

A Christian who is a new convert is inexperienced and can easily fall back into sin. Paul the Apostle talked about babyhood, childhood and manhood as relating to our Christian growth

Would u also say that a Christian who is not able to teach is a sinner?

why would a Christian who have been in the faith for a while and understand doctrine not be able to teach? Evangelism is the great commission Jesus gave every saint.. Who will follow-up nd teach your converts?

FOR UR RESPONSE TO MY NUMBER 4 POINT
Pls, read my text well, I didn't say that God created tithe, I even asked u that question and answered it there as No that God didn't create it but it doesn't mean He is against it. Polygamy is part of the man made things that God didn't create, other man made things are included in the list I gave there which ar tithe, television, engineers, lawyers etc. U ar saying that since God didn't create polygamy but it's man made, then it means that polygamy is sin, now answer me, God didn't create tithe, television, lawyers, engineers, does it mean that people who practise tithing, people who watch television, lawyers and engineers ar all sinners too, based on ur logic? Or would u choose man-made polygamy and call it sin, and then leave other man-made things like tithing, television etc?

you already agreed that polygamy is manmade and we know the marriage institution was God made so we are left with the option of either doing it God's way or man's way

FOR UR RESPONSE TO MY NUMBER 5 POINT
Pls, Jacob was polygamous, u named monogamous people but u didn't name the polygamous ones, polygamy had existed even before the law. Jacob had been before Moses.

you already mentioned Jacob in the post i quoted, i didn't need to repeat it, i had to draw your attention to Holy men before the law that were monogamous so Jacob is an exception

What Jesus said in Matthew 19 vs 8 that the law permitted for the hardness of people's hearts was divorce and not polygamy. It was divorce that the pharisees even asked him about and not polygamy.
Let me quote that verse 8 for u, "Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning".
Jesus never said that Moses permitted them to marry more than one wife because of the hardness of their hearts, so why ar u mixing polygamy and divorce? They both mean separate things and can never be the same. Jesus never even talked about polygamy all his days on earth but he said a lot about divorce and advised against it, why ar u now saying that Jesus condemned polygamy whereas the verse u refer to showed that he condemned only divorce?

you only saw what you wanted to see, a question was asked about divorce, according to the law of moses. To answer the question Jesus referred to God's perfect marriage before the fall of man. Wat did it have to do with divorce? He told them how God instituted marriage from the beginning

FOR UR LAST PARAGRAPH
If u read my first post well u would have seen where I said that a woman can be one with more than one man same way a man can be one with more than one woman. So, pls I support polyandry too, Bible didn't condemn either polygamy nor polyandry.

i hope those of ur Same school of thought will agree as well. I can bet they wont

U have not been able to show a verse that condemns polygamy or polyandry. U have only been referring to Jesus's quote that condemned divorce, but Jesus didn't condemn divorce because it wasn't so in the beginning, He condemned it because it leads to adultery because if u divorce ur wife and both of u remain unmarried forever, then u didn't commit adultery so u didn't sin - 1 Corinthians 7 vs 10 - 11. Read that Matt 19 well u will see where he said that if u divorce and go to marry another then u commit adultery.

I actually pointed you to the statement Jesus made concerning marriage.

So many things were not so in the beginning, so many things were man made, but not being so in the beginning doesn't make it a sin. Divorce, polygamy, tithe, television, lawyers, engineers ar all man made, they were not so in the beginning, but it doesn't make all of them sins.

well in this particular case, there is the God made and man made so you are free to choose

Only divorce is a sin there and what makes divorce a sin is adultery, as stated in Matt 19. But nothing makes polygamy a sin, not even one verse in the Bible both old and new testament says that polygamy is a sin, polygamy is just like other man made things like tithe, television, football etc which have no sin in them.

God made.. And man made like i said earlier. U can choose man made though. God is not the author of confusion. If as a man u av multiple wives nd ur wives have multiple husbands, then where is the home? We know where confusion comes from... Definitely not God

jamescross:
hehehehahaaaae

of course she/they can have her/their own opinion she/they is/are not a doll(s) in the first place.

Love all your wives and treat them fairly,

same portion said wives, submit to ur husbands.. So going by ur logic, she can av more than one husbands too

salvation101:

U can be a sinning church goer, u can also be a disobedient believer.. As a new creature u will need to learn God and unlearn the world. Restitution is sometimes needed too. You lied against someone and he is in jail and you got converted, you still take the truth to the grave wen someone is suffering unjustly?


A Christian who is a new convert is inexperienced and can easily fall back into sin. Paul the Apostle talked about babyhood, childhood and manhood as relating to our Christian growth


why would a Christian who have been in the faith for a while and understand doctrine not be able to teach? Evangelism is the great commission Jesus gave every saint.. Who will follow-up nd teach your converts?

you already agreed that polygamy is manmade and we know the marriage institution was God made so we are left with the option of either doing it God's way or man's way

you already mentioned Jacob in the post i quoted, i didn't need to repeat it, i had to draw your attention to Holy men before the law that were monogamous so Jacob is an exception

you only saw what you wanted to see, a question was asked about divorce, according to the law of moses. To answer the question Jesus referred to God's perfect marriage before the fall of man. Wat did it have to do with divorce? He told them how God instituted marriage from the beginning

i hope those of ur Same school of thought will agree as well. I can bet they wont

I actually pointed you to the statement Jesus made concerning marriage.


well in this particular case, there is the God made and man made so you are free to choose

God made.. And man made like i said earlier. U can choose man made though. God is not the author of confusion. If as a man u av multiple wives nd ur wives have multiple husbands, then where is the home? We know where confusion comes from... Definitely not God

Regarding ur last paragraph, confusion isn't enough reason to discredit polygamy, I rely on the scriptures alone in my judgement because even some monogamous families have confusion too while some polygamous families ar at peace. I have a lot of examples in my place. There ar some brothers from same father and mother who don't see eye to eye whereas there are polygamous marriages living in peace. Haven't u heard of wives who kill their husbands and husbands who kill their wives in monogamous marriages? So, confusion is not exclusive to polygamous marriages alone, even monogamous marriages too ar included.

But the issue of confusion and whether other people in my school of thought agree to my view on polyandry isn't my issue, I follow scriptures not people's opinion. So, I am keeping those ones aside.
U know, there ar points I really want to get from u.
Just answer these questions, u didn't answer them, u were only explaining to me why a Christian must step up from being a new convert and why a Christian must be a teacher but that's never my argument, pls answer the questions directly.
1. Is a christian who is a new convert a sinner?
2. Is a Christian who doesn't know how to teach a sinner?
3. Now regarding the issue of man made and God made, I think I get where u ar coming from. Polygamy became man made after the fall of man. But the institution of marriage is God made and whoever that doesn't follow the God made plan is a sinner, I believe that's what u ar trying to say, or did I get u wrong?
Now look at this, God's made plan for marriage was for couples to be fruitful and multiply - Genesis 1 vs 28. He even commanded them to be fruitful, multiply and replenish the whole earth, but these days, man made systems have come up for us to do birth control. People now get married and decide not to have children.
Now, we can say that a man and a woman that get married and decide to be fruitful and multiply ie have children ar following God's made plan, and we can also say that a man and a woman who ar married but decided not to be fruitful and multiply (ie not have children) ar following man made plan, so would u also say that a man and a woman who ar married but have decided not to have children ar sinners?

When Paul wrote Titus this is what he said

1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. Titus ( THE ELDERS)


When he wrote Timothy this is what he said

1 Timothy 3:2,12 KJV
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

[12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

( THE BISHOPS AND DEACONS)

NOW LETS REASON TOGETHER


I think if a principal stands in front of the assembly and says "Those of you who wants to be prefects must always tuck in your shirts"

it is clear that what he means is those who don't aspire to be prefects can leave their shirts untucked.

If he wants the whole students to tuck in their shirts he would rather say "Every students of this school must tuck in their shirts" its as simple as this.


Paul said who ever wants to take an office in the church must be of one wife. Not the whole Church.

Now if a Christian has two legal wives what sin has he committed. Adultery?

It is going out of marriage to have sex that God frowns at.

When Christ said " When He created them he created them man and woman " that does not justify polygamy to be sinful.
When He said a man shall leave his mother and father to be joined to his wife and the two shall be one. It only means each of the women will be one with the husband. Each of them is his wife.

I strongly believe the idea of one man one woman was from our colonial masters who brought Christianity. The Europeans are monogamists so They brought their culture along with the religion and the more reason every pastor must be in suit so as to look like a pastor.

I believe marrying more than a wife is not a sin Adultery is what is a sin. And the number of wives does not determine your making heaven but your walk with God as a believer in Jesus His son.

Paul never frowned at polygamy but only for workers in the church. Because to maintain a woman is a heavy task not to mention two or three and Every Bishop or Deacon must be a good example for the church not someone they would be settling quarrels for between his women.

My view my opinion
I am a Christian.

salvation101:
so ur wives are also permitted to have more than one husbands isn't it? There is polyandry too you know?

Was waiting for that, thanks.

nwamehn:



Regarding ur last paragraph, confusion isn't enough reason to discredit polygamy, I rely on the scriptures alone in my judgement because even some monogamous families have confusion too while some polygamous families ar at peace. I have a lot of examples in my place. There ar some brothers from same father and mother who don't see eye to eye whereas there are polygamous marriages living in peace. Haven't u heard of wives who kill their husbands and husbands who kill their wives in monogamous marriages? So, confusion is not exclusive to polygamous marriages alone, even monogamous marriages too ar included.

But the issue of confusion and whether other people in my school of thought agree to my view on polyandry isn't my issue, I follow scriptures not people's opinion. So, I am keeping those ones aside.
U know, there ar points I really want to get from u.
Just answer these questions, u didn't answer them, u were only explaining to me why a Christian must step up from being a new convert and why a Christian must be a teacher but that's never my argument, pls answer the questions directly.
1. Is a christian who is a new convert a sinner?
2. Is a Christian who doesn't know how to teach a sinner?
3. Now regarding the issue of man made and God made, I think I get where u ar coming from. Polygamy became man made after the fall of man. But the institution of marriage is God made and whoever that doesn't follow the God made plan is a sinner, I believe that's what u ar trying to say, or did I get u wrong?
Now look at this, God's made plan for marriage was for couples to be fruitful and multiply - Genesis 1 vs 28. He even commanded them to be fruitful, multiply and replenish the whole earth, but these days, man made systems have come up for us to do birth control. People now get married and decide not to have children.
Now, we can say that a man and a woman that get married and decide to be fruitful and multiply ie have children ar following God's made plan, and we can also say that a man and a woman who ar married but decided not to be fruitful and multiply (ie not have children) ar following man made plan, so would u also say that a man and a woman who ar married but have decided not to have children ar sinners?

Your argument is on point

If we are going to live only on the God made issues and anyone living on man made is a sinner then everyone of us won't make heaven.

Is money man made or God made? Who on earth doesn't spend money.

God never created us to spend money. Money was the idea of man. But the Bible now calls money a defense, it even says money answereth all things.

Our Lord Jesus spent money. He told Peter to go get money from the fish's mouth to pay their taxes.

If you call polygamy man made and Monogamy God made, you are right but after the fall of man most of the life style of man became man made and that is why we need the grace Christ brought to us not to perish.

Is wearing cloth God made in the first place ? I guess No!

Did our Lord Jesus walk naked No!

Did He say because wearing cloth was not in Gods plan in the beginning, he won't wear cloths.

Marrying wives was not in Gods plan but after the fall Man started marrying more than one and God didn't forbid them.

When Jesus said in the beginning it was not so. What was he saying? He was only reminding them it wasn't in Gods plan in the beginning to divorce or marry more than one.

If He had said in the beginning it was not so concerning Cloths too. Does it mean now start walking Naked? because it was not so in the beginning?


If God never frowned at the Father of faith to have more than one wife. The man after God's heart David or other men of faith having more than one wife, then he can't frown at it now.

The question is Can you take care of the wives you acquire?

If not then don't try it because "if a man can not provide for his household he is worst than an infidel" Part of provision is the moral support over his home, to be able to give them moral support not only financial.

It is not an easy task to go into polygamy. So its not advisable. But not a sin.

Lastly on a more serious note and at the same time on a lighter mood

Do you know why most Christian women are stubborn and make their husbands suffer in marriage?

"He is a Christian he must not divorce me except I'm caught in adultry and polygamy is forbidden so he can't marry two wives"

so many Christian men suffer in silence. Many come to church after they have wept bitterly in their homes asking God "Why Me" Why have you given me such a woman?
The truth is He has not given you any woman you chose her by yourself because He is not a wicked God. So deal with it yourself. Use your Brain. The last time God gave a man a woman was in the Garden and Man eventually accused God "It was the woman you gave me"

Many are denied Sex for months and are afraid to go outside the marriage to have fun because its a sin which is true but they are not aware of the fact that divorcing such evil women is not a sin and marrying another is not a sin.

Infact while still being the husband of the wicked woman, if you marry another woman, its not a sin.

The bible says flee from Evil and every thing that looks like it. A wicked woman is evil , denying your husband sex for any reason is evil and if he flees from you, he has not committed any sin but obeying Biblical Instruction.

You don't listen to his instructions, You don't respect him, you deny him sex , insult him at will and you are claiming because he is a Christian he has no right to divorce you but you have the right yo torment his life and make him miserable.

Fa Fa Fa Foul. If he leaves you heaven will rejoice on his behalf for fleeing Evil. You are a Devil.

tamethem:


Your argument is on point

If we are going to live only on the God made issues and anyone living on man made is a sinner then everyone of us won't make heaven.

Is money man made or God made? Who on earth doesn't spend money.

God never created us to spend money. Money was the idea of man. But the Bible now calls money a defense, it even says money answereth all things.

Our Lord Jesus spent money. He told Peter to go get money from the fish's mouth to pay their taxes.

If you call polygamy man made and Monogamy God made, you are right but after the fall of man most of the life style of man became man made and that is why we need the grace Christ brought to us not to perish.

Is wearing cloth God made in the first place ? I guess No!

Did our Lord Jesus walk naked No!

Did He say because wearing cloth was not in Gods plan in the beginning, he won't wear cloths.

Marrying wives was not in Gods plan but after the fall Man started marrying more than one and God didn't forbid them.

When Jesus said in the beginning it was not so. What was he saying? He was only reminding them it wasn't in Gods plan in the beginning to divorce or marry more than one.

If He had said in the beginning it was not so concerning Cloths too. Does it mean now start walking Naked? because it was not so in the beginning?


If God never frowned at the Father of faith to have more than one wife. The man after God's heart David or other men of faith having more than one wife, then he can't frown at it now.

The question is Can you take care of the wives you acquire?

If not then don't try it because "if a man can not provide for his household he is worst than an infidel" Part of provision is the moral support over his home, to be able to give them moral support not only financial.

It is not an easy task to go into polygamy. So its not advisable. But not a sin.

Lastly on a more serious note and at the same time on a lighter mood

Do you know why most Christian women are stubborn and make their husbands suffer in marriage?

"He is a Christian he must not divorce me except I'm caught in adultry and polygamy is forbidden so he can't marry two wives"

so many Christian men suffer in silence. Many come to church after they have wept bitterly in their homes asking God "Why Me" Why have you given me such a woman?
The truth is He has not given you any woman you chose her by yourself because He is not a wicked God. So deal with it yourself. Use your Brain. The last time God gave a man a woman was in the Garden and Man eventually accused God "It was the woman you gave me"

Many are denied Sex for months and are afraid to go outside the marriage to have fun because its a sin which is true but they are not aware of the fact that divorcing such evil women is not a sin and marrying another is not a sin.

Infact while still being the husband of the wicked woman, if you marry another woman, its not a sin.

The bible says flee from Evil and every thing that looks like it. A wicked woman is evil , denying your husband sex for any reason is evil and if he flees from you, he has not committed any sin but obeying Biblical Instruction.

You don't listen to his instructions, You don't respect him, you deny him sex , insult him at will and you are claiming because he is a Christian he has no right to divorce you but you have the right yo torment his life and make him miserable.

Fa Fa Fa Foul. If he leaves you heaven will rejoice on his behalf for fleeing Evil. You are a Devil.

Hahahaha. U really made me laugh, especially that last paragraph. U ar mouthed, bro. U said exactly what I have been trying to say. So many things we do today ar man made but it doesn't make them sins. If all man made things ar sins, then nobody will be in heaven.

salvation101:
see how you try to muddle up scripture.. The Gen 2:25 you quoted where the institution of marriage was established, was it before or after the fall of man?

can you check the topic of the thread again? Can a "Christian".. A Christian follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came to restore man from his fallen state. There is no where in the new testament where Jesus or Apostles approved to polygamy. Infact Jesus even condemned divorce and said it was given in the old testament because of hardeness of mans heart..

Kindly go through my post again.

Now read it slowly, with an open mind.

-Peace.

salvation101:

I ask you to show me any where in the new testament that make polygamy permissible. At least we know Peter was married, how many wives did he marry? Is the office of a bishop greater than that of an Apostle? Apostle paul didn't marry.
Paul gave Timothy was a Bishop, the very first Bishop of Ephesus, was he married? Paul d Apostle wrote to him on the qualities he should look at before laying his hands on men to do the work of God. He listed those criterias to Timothy.

Like i said earlier, show me portions in the new testament that makes polygamy permissible. <b>Its u same folks dat will say tithing is an old testament thing but would run to the old testament to support a belief dat has no place in Christianity</b>

So if you can support tithing with old testament, why not support polygamy with it too.

nwamehn:



Regarding ur last paragraph, confusion isn't enough reason to discredit polygamy, I rely on the scriptures alone in my judgement because even some monogamous families have confusion too while some polygamous families ar at peace. I have a lot of examples in my place. There ar some brothers from same father and mother who don't see eye to eye whereas there are polygamous marriages living in peace. Haven't u heard of wives who kill their husbands and husbands who kill their wives in monogamous marriages? So, confusion is not exclusive to polygamous marriages alone, even monogamous marriages too ar included.

show me a home where the husband is polygamous and the wife is polyandrous, and that will be the true definition of confusion. Infact confusion will be resident in that home.

But the issue of confusion and whether other people in my school of thought agree to my view on polyandry isn't my issue, I follow scriptures not people's opinion. So, I am keeping those ones aside.
U know, there ar points I really want to get from u.

Good to know.

Just answer these questions, u didn't answer them, u were only explaining to me why a Christian must step up from being a new convert and why a Christian must be a teacher but that's never my argument, pls answer the questions directly.
1. Is a christian who is a new convert a sinner?
2. Is a Christian who doesn't know how to teach a sinner?

i already answered this twice and i cant keep repeating myself. Sorry

3. Now regarding the issue of man made and God made, I think I get where u ar coming from. Polygamy became man made after the fall of man. But the institution of marriage is God made and whoever that doesn't follow the God made plan is a sinner, I believe that's what u ar trying to say, or did I get u wrong?
Now look at this, God's made plan for marriage was for couples to be fruitful and multiply - Genesis 1 vs 28. He even commanded them to be fruitful, multiply and replenish the whole earth, but these days, man made systems have come up for us to do birth control. People now get married and decide not to have children.
Now, we can say that a man and a woman that get married and decide to be fruitful and multiply ie have children ar following God's made plan, and we can also say that a man and a woman who ar married but decided not to be fruitful and multiply (ie not have children) ar following man made plan, so would u also say that a man and a woman who ar married but have decided not to have children ar sinners?

God's plan before the fall of man was what Jesus referred to when he was answering a marriage related question.. "in the beginning it was not so".. You now have the choice of following God's plan for marriage or man made model for marriage.
Gods plan for fruitfulness and multiplication goes beyond multiplication in numbers.. Nigeria is a very populous nation with many almajirees. Would you say Nigeria is more fruitful and multiplied than the UK with a smaller population?

bularvz:


So if you can support tithing with old testament, why not support polygamy with it too.

at least Jesus mentioned tithe in Matt28:28 and he was rather in support than against. Polygamy has no place in Christendom. Tell me any Christian figure in the early church dat was polygamous all Jesus and Paul reference to the topic on marriage and spouse was always in singularity

salvation101:
show me a home where the husband is polygamous and the wife is polyandrous, and that will be the true definition of confusion. Infact confusion will be resident in that home.


Good to know.

i already answered this twice and i cant keep repeating myself. Sorry

God's plan before the fall of man was what Jesus referred to when he was answering a marriage related question.. "in the beginning it was not so".. You now have the choice of following God's plan for marriage or man made model for marriage.
Gods plan for fruitfulness and multiplication goes beyond multiplication in numbers.. Nigeria is a very populous nation with many almajirees. Would you say Nigeria is more fruitful and multiplied than the UK with a smaller population?

Hahahah. That ur almajiri part got me laughing.
Anyway, here ar my points:
1. My questions from the onset have been whether a new convert is a sinner and whether a Christian who cannot teach is a sinner. Since then, u haven't answered me "Yes, they ar sinners" or "No, they aren't sinners".
Look at ur answer to my first question: "A Christian who is a new convert is inexperienced and can easily fall back into sin. Paul the Apostle talked about babyhood, childhood and manhood as relating to our Christian growth".
This doesn't answer the question of whether a new convert is a sinner or not. It only tells me the dangers of being a new convert.

Loot at ur answer to my second question: "why would a Christian who have been in the faith for a while and understand doctrine not be able to teach? Evangelism is the great commission Jesus gave every saint.. Who will follow-up nd teach your converts?"
U were still giving me the advantages of being able to teach as a Christian, it still doesn't answer the question of whether a Christian who is not able to teach is a sinner or not.

Why is it hard for u to say simply that a Christian who is a new convert or who is not able to teach is a sinner or is not a sinner same way u were able to say that a polygamous man is a sinner? 
I sincerely believe u can answer me simply and not give me the advantages or disadvantages of whichever one because I have already seen the advantages or disadvantages of them from ur write-ups already, what is missing there is whether they ar sins or not. Is a Christian who is a new convert or who is not able to teach a sinner? Yes or No.

2. U ar talking about Nigeria and UK, but that command of being fruitful, multiplying and replenishing the whole earth wasn't given to Nigeria and UK, even if u want to bring countries, states, local governments into it u ar very free, but I believe u shouldn't also throw away man and wife that God gave the command to according to Genesis 1. So pls, what do u think is the meaning of multiplying and replenishing the whole earth as a command that God gave Adam and his wife, Eve?

3. U know that God's made plan for getting a wife was that the man would be at rest and He would bring to a man his wife by himself as He did for Adam and not that a man would go and search for wife as we do these days. Bible also says that he who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favour from God, showing u that men had started looking for wives as far back as then instead of waiting for God to bring their wives to them yet God was still favouring them. But the bigger truth is that it wasn't so from the beginning that a man would go looking for a wife just as it wasn't so from the beginning that a man should divorce his wife but God still allowed it then for a reason and still blessed the Israelites then.
Resting in ur tent and God will bring a wife to u is very different from telling God to give u a wife and u now go to the church and pick a girl based on some revelations, because it wasn't so from the beginning, what was from the beginning was that u will be resting and God will bring ur wife to u, only for u to wake and see her, and that's exactly what He did to Adam.
Marriage is an institution ordained by God and there ar so many parts of God's made plans for marriage as He did to man before the fall of man but the two I want to highlight here ar: 
A. Give man only one wife who would be a helper fit for him. 
B. Let man be at rest while God brings his wife to him.
Man made way of finding a wife would now be to go in search of wife and not wait for God to bring her to him.
Now tell me, a man that doesn't wait in his apartment for God to bring his wife to him as it was done in the beginning but decides to go and search for his wife even in far away land which is now a man made way of finding a wife, is he a sinner?

Ferisidowu:
this is Aimed at Christian edification, can a Christian marry two or more wives? is it a sin? since it's not written in the law, ?
(please I hope the purpose of this question is discerned by friends)

It is a sin.