Efewestern:


Is Abugewa yoruboid?, cous it's a common name in Okpe and Uvwie.

Uvwie has a great influence in your language, Example Dolor is an uvwie word for money, thou some part make use of E'kowa.

abugewa is an itsekiri name those guys bearing such names in uvwie and okpe has itsekiri ancestry or connection.

Efewestern:


Edema isn't yoruboid either, any itsekiri word that has no Yoruba origin is either borrowed from Urhobo or Edo. Gentle in Yoruba means Jeje .. if an Ondo man answers that name then it's because of Bini influence in Ondo.

I find your earlier post about the Urhobo's offending.

This is not totally correct

onuwaje:
My fellow itsekiri please let always try and spell our name properly and not the Yoruba form despite the fact that we have similarities in our dialect the spelling are totally different, please let's try and correct ourselves

Tseyi not Sheyi
Tsaye not Shaye
Tsaninomi not Shaninomi
Tsola not Shola
Tsolaye not Sholaye
Tsegbone not Shegbone
Tsemaye not Shemaye
Omatseye not Omasheye
Omatsola not Omashola
Totseoma not Tosheoma
Tetsola not Teshola
Oritsetsegbemi not Oritseshegbemi
Omawumi not Omowumi

this reminds me of Rumu and Umu

Efewestern:


Edema isn't yoruboid either, any itsekiri word that has no Yoruba origin is either borrowed from Urhobo or Edo. Gentle in Yoruba means Jeje .. if an Ondo man answers that name then it's because of Bini influence in Ondo.

I find your earlier post about the Urhobo's offending.

Efe don't twist itsekiri names and meaning, EDEMA IS Does Not HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO EDO language.
ONLY PEOPLE OF ITSEKIRI,ILAJE,OWO,AND IJEBU BEAR SUCH NAMES.

AND IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE OF U TO SAY " any itsekiri wordthat has no Yoruba origin is either borrowed from Edo or urhobo".
that's an insult.

scholes0:


Abeg no vex jare bros mi, sometimes people on NL can get on a gentlemen’s nerves and make him say some very unprintable things just to make a point.

To your other point, gentle is different from being a gentleman. They aren’t of the same context, for example calling a guy a gentleman doesn’t mean you are saying he is gentle or calling a gathering of people “Ladies and gentlemen” does not mean you are saying the men are gentle people. It is just a stylish way of calling someone well mannered or cultured.

Secondly, dialectal effects might have come into play in the formulation of some nuances in the names here , because not every Yoruboid dialect calls everything the same names. Edema might even be a compound or contracted longer word whose actual meaning has been lost but just the general idea remains. The Edemas in Ondo are not a result of bini influence neigther are the ones in Itsekiri. Edema isn’t an Edo name.

I stand to be corrected.

you r' on point

asamaigho:


Efe don't twist itsekiri names and meaning, EDEMA IS Does Not HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO EDO language.
ONLY PEOPLE OF ITSEKIRI,ILAJE,OWO,AND IJEBU BEAR SUCH NAMES.

AND IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE OF U TO SAY " any itsekiri wordthat has no Yoruba origin is either borrowed from Edo or urhobo".
that's an insult.

@Bolded My apologies, I meant no harm.. we learn everyday. that's just my little observation, and yes I may be very wrong.

asamaigho:


abugewa is an itsekiri name those guys bearing such names in uvwie and okpe has itsekiri ancestry or connection.

Doesn't necessarily mean they have any connection with Itsekiri, maybe they adopted the name, I just want to know the meaning since I myself couldn't translate it.

Itshekiri language is eerily similar to the Ilaje dialect sha

Crocky23:

You're Yoruba abi, on behalf of south south people I dash you Itsekiri.

Avoid the guy, he is a detractor.

Adefemiaderoju1:
What most people don't know here is Itsekiri are Yoruba, Yorubas are Itsekiri.

Since yorubas are itshekiri, What is the meaning of name Ejutemedien?

*Ebieshuwa (Shuwa) — Family is fortune*
Itsekiri dont use d "sh" consonant. it rather uses "ts". so d correct spelling shd be *Ebietsuwa*

Also, Oludewa means --- He came back.
E.g A child dat was born shortly after d demise of a relative or dat resembles a dead family member could be assumed to av reincarnated. Hence they are named after such pple. Jst like yorubas will say Babatunde or yetunde.

Efewestern:


Credits:

http://ngr.ng/itsekiri-names/

very similar to that of ilaje

dragonking2:


Since yorubas are itshekiri, What is the meaning of name Ejutemedien?

Let me try. A child was not put to shame.

dtechbaze:
very similar to that of ilaje

yup.. shares 80% similarities with Ilaje, ikale and other ondo dialects.

Efewestern:


Edema isn't yoruboid either, Gentle in Yoruba means Jeje .. if an Ondo man answers that name then it's because of Bini influence in Ondo.

I find your earlier post about the Urhobo's offending.

*Modified

The Edema I know is an Ilaje man.

Efewestern:


Uvwie for sure migrated from several urhobo subgroups but definitely not Itsekiri, they only married themselves.

Re u urhobo?

my mom is Uvwie and I grew up there so let's just say I'm partly Uvwie/Urhobo

OP Omare bocor
nice work
u didn't add my brother's name o
oritseweyinmi

boolet:
Sorry to say sirs, SH is in no way Yoruba but an anglisized form of spelling the Yoruba alphabeth 'Ṣ' (shi).

thanks for the corrections don't blame d qwerty keys tho

Olu317:
Just curious though about your perspective because of your assertion over your assumption that some Itsekiri use Yoruba letters spelling method to write out their names. My question for you is this; If Itsekiri was grouped within Yoruba enclave from the creation of Midwest, wont Itsekiri people use Yoruba spelling method to write out their names?

Note: I am not a believer in coercion,talkless of forceful subjugation of people who don't want to be part of Yoruba ancestors heritage.

Cheers

due to similarities between the Itsekiri and Yoruba Language the first generation lexicons used by the Itsekiris were 100% Yorubas. thanks to Rev. Omatsola of blessed memory who took the pain to help creating the Itsekiri alphabet et al.

Note: the Itsekiri is a Yoruba dialect that evolved into a tribe and by that its normal for a tribe to have its own distinct alphabets et al
thanks

Efewestern:


You don't get it. he is saying they should use standard itsekiri spelling instead of Yoruba spelling. The spelling is what makes the language unique. so 'TS' is itsekiri while 'SH' is standard Yoruba.

Ts (ola) not sh (ola).
Ts(eyi) not Sh(eyi)
Ts(aye) not Sh(aye)
Ts(aninomi) not Sh(aninomi).

Nothing like 'Sh' in standard Yoruba; the correct ones are: Sola, Seyi, Seye, Ilesa, Osogbo Orisa,. etc; also Pele, Patapata, Ope ( instead of kpele, kpaktakpakta, okpe). Some are even spelling 'were' as wherey or werey!

In central and eastern Yoruba, both the local and General forms are employed when giving names, eg, Ademiluyi for Ademiniyi, Akinlua for Akinleye, Ogunluyi for Ogunniyi, etc.

I don't see why itsekiri must always bear the local forms, some were born in the SW. This notwithstanding, I respect their choice of not really wanting to have much to do with the Yorubas generally.

toritseju which is my name means God is above all.... In oda word it means Godwin Dats y most pipo named Toju in itsekiri are name Godwin too

Oritseweyinmi means God is at my back

Only itsekiri will know ds my akpija is IDIBIRAKOKO lets see if any of u get akpija

omowole52:
these itshekiris are from which part of Nigeria please

They are from delta state.... The best crude in nigeria are from their land too

lx3as:


Nothing like 'Sh' in standard Yoruba; the correct ones are: Sola, Seyi, Seye, Ilesa, Osogbo Orisa,. etc; also Pele, Patapata, Ope ( instead of kpele, kpaktakpakta, okpe). Some are even spelling 'were' as wherey!

In central and eastern Yoruba, both the local and General froms are employed when giving names, eg, Ademiluyi for Ademiniyi, Akinlua for Akinleye, Ogunluyi for Ogunniyi, etc.

I don't see why itsekiri must always bear the local forms, some were born in the SW. This notwithstanding, I respect their choice of not really wanting to have much to do with the Yorubas generally.

I get your point.. the general standard Yoruba dialect is currently influencing the itsekiri language, reason most itsekiri's insist on their own lexicons, they are preserving their language which is also a dialect of Yoruba.

Similar case is also the Isoko/urhobo saga.. we just got to respect each and everyone's choice.. the itsekiri/Yoruba relationship is growing stronger, so no cause for alarm.

Efewestern:


it's a unique yoruboid language, influenced by Urhobo and Edo. some names up there are urhobo names, eg Okoro, Dolor etc while some are Edo names eg Edema.

Actually Okoro is an ancient Benin name too. Meaning Prince. For example the native name of a crown prince like current Oba before investiture as crown prince (Edaiken) would be Okoro Eheneden. But English more commonly used as Prince Eheneden. All princes can bear the name Okoro.

More commonly in Benin Okoro is a surname. Basically given to a male child to mean boy. No baby boys are called Okoro nowadays. So only old people bear it, meaning it is mostly surname to their children now.

As for the Itsekiri name you listed, most/very similar variations are common in my village in Edo State. The language is not much different from Itsekiri. Spoken alongside Benin Language.

I purposely write BENIN language because despite even Benin people erroneously writing "Bini", there is nothing like Bini. People feel the need to vernacularise everything African word. The Palace has repeatedly corrected this "Bini" people write over the years.

AreaFada2:


Actually Okoro is an ancient Benin name too. Meaning Prince. For example the native name of a crown prince like current Oba before investiture as crown prince (Edaiken) would be Okoro Eheneden. But English more commonly used as Prince Eheneden. All princes can bear the name Okoro.

More commonly in Benin Okoro is a surname. Basically given to a male child to mean boy.

As for the Itsekiri name you listed, most/very similar variations are common in my village in Edo State. The language is not much different from Itsekiri. Spoken alongside Benin Language.

I purposely write BENIN language because despite even Benin people erroneously writing "Bini", there is nothing like Bini. People feel the need to vernacularise everything African. The Palace has repeatedly corrected this "Bini" people write over the years.

Thanks for the info.. never thought of that due to the fact that I haven't seen any Bini person bearing the name 'Okoro' , all the same Urhobo is still an Edoid language but also a Unique and distinct language on its own.

Efewestern:


I get your point.. the general standard Yoruba dialect is currently influencing the itsekiri language, reason most itsekiri's insist on their own lexicons, they are preserving their language which is also a dialect of Yoruba.

Similar case is also the Isoko/urhobo saga.. we just got to respect each and everyone's choice.. the itsekiri/Yoruba relationship is growing stronger, so no cause for alarm.

I think this is important.

Preserving unique features of regional dialects under the umbrella of one language is crucial. It took very many centuries for Itsekiri to develop into what it has become now. So throwing all that away to embrace only "Oyo" dialect would be a big loss.

Even in Eastern Yorubaland, Ondo/Ekiti, the rich dialects are very important and very much influenced Yoruboid dialects in Delta/Edo.

I find the "gh" common in Itsekiri quite interesting. We have it too.

Efewestern:


Thanks for the info.. never thought of that due to the fact that I haven't seen any Bini person bearing the name 'Okoro' , all the same Urhobo is still an Edoid language but also a Unique and distinct language on its own.

Sure, Urhobo is very rich in deed. I hear words in Urhobo language that I used to hear old Benin people use like 3 decades ago. I used to listen as a kid. People over 90 then. All gone now.

These Urhobo words are ancient Edoid words. Would have been regular words in Benin centuries back.

Those old Benin people called coconut "kokodia" instead of Ivin as it is called today. God as "Oghene-Osa" instead of Osanobua commonly used today. And many others.

So within two generations, you can see how a language changes quickly.

SoldierBoy1:
I be Yorùbá boy o, but I know say Oritsefemi na God loves me and Oritsejafor na God has made us to speak (like God don give us mouth now o)...... U know say some Yorubas dey use fo in place of soro to represent speak and I feel relate Oritse to Òrìṣà....... I love Itsekiris well because of how they language take close to our own..... E dey sweet me when they dey speak.

.

Ok. I can get the meaning now, thanks
I know Itsekiri get yoruba &bini root from their names &maybe the way they speak.

Nigerian Singer, Omawunmi is from there too &her name sounds yoruba.

AreaFada2:

I think this is important.

Preserving unique features of regional dialects under the umbrella of one language is crucial. It took very centuries for Itsekiri to develop into what it has become now. So throwing all that away to embrace only "Oyo" dialect would be a big loss.

Even in Eastern Yorubaland, Ondo/Ekiti, the rich dialects are very important and very much influenced Yoruboid dialects in Delta/Edo.

I find the "gh" common in Itsekiri quite interesting. We have it too.

Exactly my point, they can't just throwaway their unique identity to embrace the Oyo dialect, considering the fact that the itsekiris are not much, should they try that mistake, within 50years Oyo dialect will be the only dialect spoken in itsekiri land .

"Gh" is also common in Urhobo

*Modified

AreaFada2:


Sure, Urhobo is very rich in deed. I hear words in Urhobo language that I used to hear old Benin people use like 3 decades ago. U used to listen as a kid. People over 90 then. All gone now.

These Urhobo words are ancient Edoid words. Would have been regular words in Benin centuries back.

Those old Benin people called coconut "kokodia" instead Ivin as it is called today. God as "Oghene-Osa" for God instead of Osanobua commonly used today. And many others.

So within two generations, you can see how a language changes quickly.

never knew Bini also Call God Oghene, thought it was limited to only Urhobo/isoko. what an eye opener. Urhobo also use "Osonubrugwe" in place of Osanobua. it means God

Coconut - E'kokodia in urhobo.

What do you call cutlass in Bini?,

Efewestern:


never knew Bini also Call God Oghene, thought it was limited to only Urhobo/isoko. what an eye opener. Urhobo also use "Osonubrugwe" in place of Osanobua. it means God

Coconut - E'kokodia in urhobo.

What do you call cutlass in Bini?,

Sure, both Kokodia and Ekokodia were used.

Cutlass is "opia". Gorilla is "Osa". Osia in Urhobo I heard. Duck is Ekpekpeye. Ikpukpuyeke I suppose it is in Urhobo.

AreaFada2:

Sure, both Kokodia and Ekokodia were used.

Cutlass is "opia". Gorilla is "Osa". Osia in Urhobo I heard. Duck is Ekpekpeye. Ikpukpuyeke I suppose it is in Urhobo.

Gorilla is Osia in Urhobo, While cutlass is Oda / Opia, Duck is Ikpukpuyeke but some part use Kpekpeye. But with all these similarities I still don't understand a bit of Bini language, don't know y