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ultron12345:
ordinary screwdriver or hammer, u pple cannot make..........engineers and nothing without doctors, cos they'll b dead long since

Engineers that do IT in computer centre, no wonder many of then pick ICAN form some years after graduation.

Medicine Rules!!!?

Keep deceiving yourself
People have been surviving without so-called doctors for 1000s of years.
I don't go to the hospital for example. I self medicate and it has been working perfectly for me.

BiggyB242:
Them gree send us go oil coy. If no connect nothing for you.

that one no be fault of medical doctor na, ALL medical doctors get posted to hospitals...engineers are way more than all the companies in a state... polytechnics and universities all pass out engineers, dem plenty, that na why na so so school dem dey post dem go...whose fault? Abeg free this doctors abeg, blame the economy for not attracting capital investments from foreigners....case closed.

I'm just pained I didn't study medicine. Is not that I didn't have the brain for it. If you guys know how much doctors are paid outside naija.

greypencils:
that one no be fault of medical doctor na, ALL medical doctors get posted to hospitals...engineers are way more than all the companies in a state... polytechnics and universities all pass out engineers, dem plenty, that na why na so so school dem dey post dem go...whose fault? Abeg free this doctors abeg, blame the economy for not attracting capital investments from foreigners....case closed.

I'm not blaming Docs.

OSUigbo:
I said it earlier that the system is in a mess.
The reason why you see all those foreign expatriates is because of corruption to steal more money.
Nigerian doctors on the other hand are no better. An average Nigerian medical doctor graduate is useless abroad. They don't know anything. They have to go through series of training before they are allowed to practice. It's not the same for a foreign trained medical doctor.

All you people just do is to cram books written by someone to just pass. No critical thinking.

Only poor and average Nigerian with no choice make do of Nigerian doctors. Our politicians knows how ignorant u people can be.

You are right, Medicine is an Art, Medical students are like Apprentices, they learn from various teachers both dead and alive till they too advance in knowledge do more research and write their own books. It continues like that, that's why diseases such like malaria, measles, polio are no longer life threatening as they once were.


Nigeria Engineering school is nothing to write home about, you people are not being taught much, and the little you are being taught you can't even apply it to anything. I was never an Engineering student but i have experience with them from both BUK and OAU.

Your lecturers just give you handouts, set some tough questions for you, fail you and brag about failing you.

How many times do you go to the Laboratory in a week, what equipment do you have there? Are they useful and up to date?

Finally, do you know how many half baked Engineering graduates are being churn out on a yearly basis by a single school? You only get paid from where you work. Only few of them can be absorbed in the few industries we have in Nigeria, while majority will be posted to schools to teach science subjects.

ultron12345:
It is jealousy and envy that will kill u.

Firstly, how many years did engineers spend in school pre nysc, just 5 years. Compare it to the number of years doctors spend in school pre nysc, 6 years, plus extra year for housemanship. And don't forget that 5 out of doctors 6 years are continuous, there's no semester break, unlike engineering students that have so many semester breaks and holidays, so by medical school standards, engineers spend less than 3 years in school.

Compare the cost of studying medicine and the cost of studying engineering, they pay higher tuition and their textbooks are d most expensive.

Finally, note that ur pay is based on ur productivity. If nysc engineers were serving in engineering and manufacturing facilities as professional engineers, then maybe their pay can be increased, but since they are working as teachers, then they ought to b paid as teachers. Nysc doctors serve in hospitals, doing their jobs as professional doctors, therefore, they are paid as doctors.


And for saying that doctors are useless without u pple because u made d machines they use, are u aware that u will not be alive today without doctors because sickness and disease for don kill u.

And how dare u compare mth and mee courses with with medical courses, engineering courses are childs play when compared withe medical courses. Seems u haven't seen ANA301 and PTH courses.

Lmao!

Furthermore, it's not a question of what you studied, but the kind of service you offer. A medical doctor working as a doctor in a busy clinic can't be compared with an engineer teaching secondary school physics twice weekly in one village school

ultron12345:
It is jealousy and envy that will kill u.

Firstly, how many years did engineers spend in school pre nysc, just 5 years. Compare it to the number of years doctors spend in school pre nysc, 6 years, plus extra year for housemanship. And don't forget that 5 out of doctors 6 years are continuous, there's no semester break, unlike engineering students that have so many semester breaks and holidays, so by medical school standards, engineers spend less than 3 years in school.

Compare the cost of studying medicine and the cost of studying engineering, they pay higher tuition and their textbooks are d most expensive.

Finally, note that ur pay is based on ur productivity. If nysc engineers were serving in engineering and manufacturing facilities as professional engineers, then maybe their pay can be increased, but since they are working as teachers, then they ought to b paid as teachers. Nysc doctors serve in hospitals, doing their jobs as professional doctors, therefore, they are paid as doctors.


And for saying that doctors are useless without u pple because u made d machines they use, are u aware that u will not be alive today without doctors because sickness and disease for don kill u.

And how dare u compare mth and mee courses with with medical courses, engineering courses are childs play when compared withe medical courses. Seems u haven't seen ANA301 and PTH courses.

u forgot to add pharmac. and also the fact at at a medical student you are sometimes made to go for calls which you are no paid for, you spend your nights in the hospital assisting doctors, no to mention that from the moment you enter med school you are already under pressure, people see you as as doc already and ask u about things you don't know.
anyway well spoken sir...I mean...when others are on holiday we are cracking our heads, Xmas holidays are now more or less less 6/7 day break...I could go on and on...

ultron12345:
It is jealousy and envy that will kill u.

Firstly, how many years did engineers spend in school pre nysc, just 5 years. Compare it to the number of years doctors spend in school pre nysc, 6 years, plus extra year for housemanship. And don't forget that 5 out of doctors 6 years are continuous, there's no semester break, unlike engineering students that have so many semester breaks and holidays, so by medical school standards, engineers spend less than 3 years in school.

Compare the cost of studying medicine and the cost of studying engineering, they pay higher tuition and their textbooks are d most expensive.

Finally, note that ur pay is based on ur productivity. If nysc engineers were serving in engineering and manufacturing facilities as professional engineers, then maybe their pay can be increased, but since they are working as teachers, then they ought to b paid as teachers. Nysc doctors serve in hospitals, doing their jobs as professional doctors, therefore, they are paid as doctors.


And for saying that doctors are useless without u pple because u made d machines they use, are u aware that u will not be alive today without doctors because sickness and disease for don kill u.

And how dare u compare mth and mee courses with with medical courses, engineering courses are childs play when compared withe medical courses. Seems u haven't seen ANA301 and PTH courses.

u forgot to add pharmac. and also the fact at at a medical student you are sometimes made to go for calls which you are no paid for, you spend your nights in the hospital assisting doctors, no to mention that from the moment you enter med school you are already under pressure, people see you as as doc already and ask u about things you don't know.
anyway well spoken sir...I mean...when others are on holiday we are cracking our heads, Xmas holidays are now more or less less 6/7 day break...I could go on and on...

Stephaustin:
Useless comparison.

this post self....so wat of other people how much do we value them both engineering and medicine students are all mad to me...every body deserve fair treatment as far education is concerned wat is special in medicine self...wole Soyinka our Nobel laureate is an expert in literature yet idiots relegate other discipline to d background....today we don't teach history in our schools from primary to secondary....hw much more tertiary... A sane country give value to everyone cos evry tin and sector is important in a country....

OSUigbo:
Keep deceiving yourself
People have been surviving without so-called doctors for 1000s of years.
I don't go to the hospital for example. I self medicate and it has been working perfectly for me.

who needs engineers, when our roadside welders, mechanics and electricians are doing d work excellently.

OSUigbo:
Keep deceiving yourself
People have been surviving without so-called doctors for 1000s of years.
I don't go to the hospital for example. I self medicate and it has been working perfectly for me.

God forbid anything bad thing should happen to you, even if you are good at it, there are just some things you can't 'self medicate' for

blackbeau1:
Dear Engineering graduates, have you ever been on 36 to 48 hr call ?

If you are an engineer in the telecom industry, you will work thrice the time because all base station must be up 24hours not minding if there is a mudslide happening in the area. As you work, you solve new problems everyday from your head.

But in medicine, if there is no cure for a particular ailment, no doctor can improvise. They will leave the person to die.

polite2:
Yes !!! Ohh yes. Work in the Telecom industry and yho will see dat 72hrs call is just the beginning

that's applicable to just those working with the telecom industry. This applies to all doctors. At least until they specialise

hmm, am still tinking of how to pass gre111

Whyke141:
You made sense until your last paragraph. No course in the Tertiary Institution is a child's play. None. None at all.

don't mind sm yeye pple....imagine saying those who read other social and art courses are easy pizzi...nonsense

Harbidexy5:
Wow see stupid mentality that should be addressed. What Is there In medicine that yo re shouting,is it to cram and put down all the shiit
Have crammed or wht is special in theoretical courses
Yo spend all yo years reading and cramming what has been put down by someone without subjected to critical thinking and evaluation
Yo make use of book as if yo life depend on it because yo yoself don't even understand what it contains

Come to engineering field and see real analysis and thinking
Or do yo think engineering is just knowing a secondary school fundamentals calculations

And have it in mind all those medical courses yo just need to have yo 50percent and pass it
Because they don't make use of cgpa
And if yo aint very smart and brilliant at the same time yo could end up spending 7years taking engineering course which would have resulted from carry over
And who told yo that pple have not bn surviving before the damn existence of those medical crap we called doctors

And buying expensive textbooks means they would be using it even after their studies
Buh every textbook used by tech stdnt In any semester of his years of studies would never be used for the next semester
Thus yo must have known everything discussed on each textbook used for a particular semester

Bros I feel you.......According to the law of thermodynamics which express that if you are not in the system you are out of the system........Doctors are out of the Engineering system that's why they wont know what is happening there......I don't really blame them much but the "Nigerian Society of Engineers" Medicine is a child's play when it comes to Engineering they need to check out documentaries to see what we Nigerian Engineers are doing in the sea....they will learn to respect engineers....They should also know that Engineering is a practical thing and continuous changes with methods not an Orthodox as the case of medicine

Ximenez:
You are right, Medicine is an Art, Medical students are like Apprentices, they learn from various teachers both dead and alive till they too advance in knowledge do more research and write their own books. It continues like that, that's why diseases such like malaria, measles, polio are no longer life threatening as they once were.


Nigeria Engineering school is nothing to write home about, you people are not being taught much, and the little you are being taught you can't even apply it to anything. I was never an Engineering student but i have experience with them from both BUK and OAU.

Your lecturers just give you handouts, set some tough questions for you, fail you and brag about failing you.

How many times do you go to the Laboratory in a week, what equipment do you have there? Are they useful and up to date?

Finally, do you know how many half baked Engineering graduates are being churn out on a yearly basis by a single school? You only get paid from where you work. Only few of them can be absorbed in the few industries we have in Nigeria, while majority will be posted to schools to teach science subjects.

I believe we have more half-baked so-called doctors than engineers.

Engineering is not all about what they teach you in school, it about critical thinking and inventions.

Medical students only learn from what is written in the book by someone (a researcher).
Engineering is INFINITY.

Modern medicine of today is made possible by engineers.

The most notable people that have impacted and shaped life are engineers.

Harbidexy5:
Wow see stupid mentality that should be addressed. What Is there In medicine that yo re shouting,is it to cram and put down all the shiit
Have crammed or wht is special in theoretical courses
Yo spend all yo years reading and cramming what has been put down by someone without subjected to critical thinking and evaluation
Yo make use of book as if yo life depend on it because yo yoself don't even understand what it contains

Come to engineering field and see real analysis and thinking
Or do yo think engineering is just knowing a secondary school fundamentals calculations

And have it in mind all those medical courses yo just need to have yo 50percent and pass it
Because they don't make use of cgpa
And if yo aint very smart and brilliant at the same time yo could end up spending 7years taking engineering course which would have resulted from carry over
And who told yo that pple have not bn surviving before the damn existence of those medical crap we called doctors

And buying expensive textbooks means they would be using it even after their studies
Buh every textbook used by tech stdnt In any semester of his years of studies would never be used for the next semester
Thus yo must have known everything discussed on each textbook used for a particular semester

as an educationist, the two of u are cognitively delayed, meaning ur mental age is far below ur chronological age. no course is better than the other.

ultron12345:
who needs engineers, when our roadside welders, mechanics and electricians are doing d work excellently.

Lol

See how you're disgracing yourself publicly?

THEY ARE CALLED mechanical and electrical engineers...

Ximenez:
If they ask this one to come to the Cadaver room now .

And if they ask you to climb a chopper to offshore now

Rangojack:
This is a fight NSE and COREN should take up seriously. OP you spoke well jare don't mind your critics.
They should also let Engineering graduates observe their NYSC in Engineering Companies or Science & Technology Research parastatals #IMO

That is the problem. Engineers corpers work as teachers.

And there is no way you can expect to be paid as much as people who work in a hospital.

If the FG starts posting engineers to oil firms, refineries and food manufacturing companies, doctors salaries will no longer look special.

The main solution is to stop posting graduate engineers to public schools.

ultron12345:
you calling medicine a theoretical course shows how silly u are. Medical students that do practical everyday, infact, the course it self is practical compared to engineering students who do nothing but copying from textbooks..........come and tell us how many practicals u pple do...........what do u Nigerian engineers have to show for d so-called practicals.

In medicine, if u get above 70, u dont get pass, u get distinction. In medicine, there is no room for carryover, if u fail a course, then u repeat that year, fail it again, them u withdraw. Unlike engineering when u can carryover anyhow, infact in final year, the department even waives off carryovers for most students. Engineering courses that pass mark is 45, even primary and secondary schools have higher passmark. FYI, medical school does have semesters.

If u ain't smart, u can spend 12 years studying medicine and even b withdrawn in the 12th year.

Are you implying that engineers don't consult textbooks after school? Suffery lie na.

Have pple not been surviving before invention of lights, cars and other things.

Upon all d so called analysis u do, yet u nigerian engineers cannot make anything, so incompetent that we have to import technicians from India and China for most engineering work. Common toothpick, we import, cos our engineers have failed us.....

Like I said before, since Nigerians have seen u pple worthy only to working schools, teaching during nysc, then u will continue to b paid like teachers during nysc.

I will not waste my time arguing with u.....................but deep within u, u know medicine trumps engineering

stop talking sh*t... Nw tell me anything that does'nt revolve around engineering theorem in the world.

vickatcch:
Nigeria doctors that only knows how to treat malaria...lolz
Reason I stoped going to the hospital,cos they will bill you like criminals for just small malaria treatment

Don't mind them, they will be asking old people about her husband, the number of children she has. If the husband is dead, will be asking you the year he died as if na Wetin won treat the woman be that. They will carry stethoscope on their neck without knowing anything. The thing dey always make me laugh.

TemiGod:
*STUPIDITY OF OUR TIME THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED*


*Medicine and pharmacy students are collecting around #95000 or above during NYSC while Engineering students are collecting the same money as that of other faculties whose courses are run for four years. What is the benefits an Engineering students stand to get from his five years spell on campus with extremely difficult courses he took most of which are mass failure courses, the rate at which cannot be found in other faculties? That is what I called a faulty educational policy. The machines and tools used by both Pharmacist and medical doctors were designed by the engineers which means without the engineers the field of medicine and pharmacy cannot thrive. No Country's development is .measured by the work of medical doctor and pharmacist per se but by their production power which is strictly engineering dependent. That explain why Nigeria and other African countries are lagging behind in technological development. No country developed by treating her engineers like the way Nigeria treats theirs.*

*After taking MTH 101, 102, 104, 201 and 202, EEE 201, 202, MEE 203, 204, 205 and 206 which are all mass failure courses because of their application in science and technology of which no courses in every other faculties (medicine and pharmacy excluded) can be compared with them, the government still deem it fit to pay me #19800 that he paid political science students, economics, education students, Law students, English students, dramatic art students, accounting students and other non-technology students. An ordinary non technology students of tertiary institution has never failed any course throughout his time on campus except the extremely dull ones who cannot solve simple calculations and memorise simple theories. Continuation of such policy will never yield a positive development am afraid.*

*China developed by absolving into their economy their fresh Engineering graduates through giving them series of projects right from their time on campus to which they would find solutions to the problems (in project form) and that would in turn becomes their field of expertise they would dwell on with the government constructing an industry to that effect. That's how they developed.*

*Any country that neglect her engineering students will never taste true development. We are going to fight the useless policy until something is being done. This mediocrity has to stop.*

*Am advocating for a policy change. Engineering and Technology students deserves special treatment as there is no true development without engineers*

*By Salaam Taiwo Afeez*

please the mods should do the needful and move this to fp

doctors have hospitals to go work. For engineers, no industry for you. You can only teach physics , chemistry, maths, etc.

Who then do you think would pay you the higher allowance? FG? FG allawee is same for all - no discrimination.

UDIOK:
And if they ask you to climb a chopper to offshore now

Exactly, those are the real Engineers, and guess what? They earn far more than Doctors, talk of 7 figures salary. That's why i envy my cousin. You get paid from where you work.

You studied Mechanical Engineering, then after graduation you started teaching Physics, closing 2pm everyday. Are you an Engineer like that what are you Engineering?

Nawa oooo.. This kyn argument to be hia!

Well said

Michael004:
Don't mind them, they will be asking old people about her husband, the number of children she has. If the husband is dead, will be asking you the year he died as if na Wetin won treat the woman be that. They will carry stethoscope on their neck without knowing anything. The thing dey always make me laugh.

It's part of the work, you have to get close to your patient and be sympathetic, make him or her feel comfortable with you.

It's part of the first thing a Medical student will be taught in part 4, which is the first Clinical year under Clinical Methods.

pedrilo:
as an educationist, the two of u are cognitively delayed, meaning ur mental age is far below ur chronological age. no course is better than the other.

only two courses out of thousands of courses....so those who study English philosophy economics etc shd go and die

Purehuman:
If you are an engineer in the telecom industry, you will work thrice the time because all base station must be up 24hours not minding if there is a mudslide happening in the area. As you work, you solve new problems everyday from your head.

But in medicine, if there is no cure for a particular ailment, no doctor can improvise. They will leave the person to die.

That's exactly the point, how much do those Engineers in the telecom earn? It's different from studying Engineering and teaching chemistry in a comprehensive high school. That means you are no longer an Engineer.

TemiGod:
*STUPIDITY OF OUR TIME THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED*


*Medicine and pharmacy students are collecting around #95000 or above during NYSC while Engineering students are collecting the same money as that of other faculties whose courses are run for four years. What is the benefits an Engineering students stand to get from his five years spell on campus with extremely difficult courses he took most of which are mass failure courses, the rate at which cannot be found in other faculties? That is what I called a faulty educational policy. The machines and tools used by both Pharmacist and medical doctors were designed by the engineers which means without the engineers the field of medicine and pharmacy cannot thrive. No Country's development is .measured by the work of medical doctor and pharmacist per se but by their production power which is strictly engineering dependent. That explain why Nigeria and other African countries are lagging behind in technological development. No country developed by treating her engineers like the way Nigeria treats theirs.*

*After taking MTH 101, 102, 104, 201 and 202, EEE 201, 202, MEE 203, 204, 205 and 206 which are all mass failure courses because of their application in science and technology of which no courses in every other faculties (medicine and pharmacy excluded) can be compared with them, the government still deem it fit to pay me #19800 that he paid political science students, economics, education students, Law students, English students, dramatic art students, accounting students and other non-technology students. An ordinary non technology students of tertiary institution has never failed any course throughout his time on campus except the extremely dull ones who cannot solve simple calculations and memorise simple theories. Continuation of such policy will never yield a positive development am afraid.*

*China developed by absolving into their economy their fresh Engineering graduates through giving them series of projects right from their time on campus to which they would find solutions to the problems (in project form) and that would in turn becomes their field of expertise they would dwell on with the government constructing an industry to that effect. That's how they developed.*

*Any country that neglect her engineering students will never taste true development. We are going to fight the useless policy until something is being done. This mediocrity has to stop.*

*Am advocating for a policy change. Engineering and Technology students deserves special treatment as there is no true development without engineers*

*By Salaam Taiwo Afeez*

please the mods should do the needful and move this to fp

bro take it easy, I used to think of it the same way as you, but on a closer look its not the fault of the medical students but largely that of the so called NSE and Coren all they care about is collecting money from ppl to do exams so you can finally be one of them. If you are not partnering with schools, helping with their curriculum, making sure whatever is been fed the students is what is really needed, if you are not exposing the students to practical workplace experiences, how would you expect me to pay such graduate something meaningful as salary.
You may claim swep, siwes, and I.T. have done that, but wait a minute, how many of my guys did the last siwes program and how many are going to participate in the I.T. program, most of that time will be spent playing games, some looking for money, and I actually don't blame those looking for money cos they know some of you will do I.T and not get the money from I.T.F government promised you and the companies won't even pay, that's if you even get a company in the first place,

Y a medical student already as a place to gather as much experience as possible, the so called NSE and COREN can't make school partner with companies in their region so every student as a placement for all attachment programs and are duly monitored during d program.(not the type that I already knew my supervisor from school will be coming next week then I make sure am present when he comes)
and on government's part they could have done more with their NUC accreditation stuff by really monitoring schools and seeing to it that engineering graduates have really been thoroughly bred.

I think things will continue this way, except the engineering regulatory bodies first take the future of the profession serious, after which it will be easier to make demands from the government,

for me I do want more than the 19800 bt it will be unfair to castigate the medical graduates over our regulatory authorities inefficiencies.

OSUigbo:
Lol

See how you're disgracing yourself publicly?

THEY ARE CALLED mechanical and electrical engineers...

the drugs ur taking are now what.

Thank goodness u have accepted that emeka that learnt mechanic or electrician work via apprenticeship is equal if not better and more useful than you university engineers