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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:36pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Nonaira1:lol this proves that they speak Yoruba thou the language is threatened but still spoken. So are u saying they are not olukumi anymore or what. What is the ngozi saying and post the in law if u want to use her as a source of reference for ur bullshit 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by CrtlAltDel: 9:38pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
I am not needed here, my fellow omoluabis have done a great job 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:38pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Thetruthsayer10: We don't discuss with frogs like you. Keep hopping. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:39pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
CrtlAltDel:osu will lie to ur face with no proof and call it fact 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:39pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
CrtlAltDel:You are welcome to join if you want. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Alfaab: 9:41pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
KwaraRat: There is nothing like oyoroba that you formed out of the air. This is how Yoruba came by.. History of the Yoruba: Decoding the History of Yoruba within the meanings of language and the symbols One of the things that is very consistent in the History of Yoruba people and family nations has been that King Lamurudu was a powerful hunter who had several children and one of them, Odua or Oduduwa the last child, became the founding ancestor of the Yoruba people and family nations. Our prehistory is based on oral traditions and, like all oral stories, subject to change by omission and commission -- after some thousands years of told and retold. When groups and family nations have found their niche and security within the land, independent of one another, different stories about groups' origins become more fashionable. And the advent of colonialists did not help our history. It was like the 'sermon on the mount' -- "Give ye not that which is sacred to the dog, neither cast your pearl before the swine, for the swine would trample them under their feet and the dog would turn and rend you." For some thousands of years we have given our history to alien powers; as we use their expertise and their language to interpret and write about who we were and are. The situation was made more complicated as colonialists (another alien powers) moved in and assigned different alphabets to the spoken words of similar groups within group. For example: Some groups were assigned the letter C, some got Z and another got S -- for similar sounds. In one similar sound, some groups were assigned Ch, or Sh, or, even S. Some group received the K and others received the Q for similar sound, and so on and so on. Each group accepted its alien alphabets without reexamination and change. Furthermore, isolation of groups from each other led to different pronunciations of words and their uses took new, but related, meanings. Please allow me to digress a moment. I went to see a Ghanian colleague in Richardson by Dallas in Texas. He and I went out for a couple of hours and, upon return, his wife welcomed us back home with the word that sounded like Yoruba "eku aabo,"which means "welcome" in Yoruba. But I was wrong. She was speaking her Ghana language when she said "akwaaba," which means "welcome." Another group in Ghana spells the same word "aquaaba."Our languages and symbols, highly codified by our ancestors in order to promote survival, could be very useful in determining our true history. We must look at prehistory and other available references from ancient times related to oral prehistory and our cultural symbols to correct the mistakes in written history. Last year I wrote: "The Yoruba language is excellent in what is called "euphony." Euphony is a method by which one makes a phonetic change to make a word or phrase more pleasant to hear or pronounce. For example, in Yoruba, "li" or "ni" can interchange. Some Yoruba ethnic can say "ni ana" or "li ana" which means "as of yesterday." "Ni oni" or "li oni" which means "as of today." For the sake of euphony, both phrases become "lana" and "loni" respectively. Now, let us apply the same to Nimrod, Nam'Ur-ud and the father of O'dua -- Lamurudu. First, take out all vowels in each name. Nimrod will become NMRD, Nam'Ur-ud will become NMRD. For the sake of euphony, replace the "L" in Lamurudu with N and you have NMRD. Lamurudu was the beginning of ena; the inversion or change of letters, words, syllables or sentences in order that the sense is disguised. Lamurudu is thus concealed. It has now become an instinctual response for the Yoruba to trigger the "u" sense upon contact with Arabic names, which have their root in Aramaic, the language of the Canaanites. Ask yourself this question: How did the Greek come to have the "Staff of Orion" and the Yoruba also have the "Opa Oranyan?" Orion and Oranyan are the same but utter confusion. But our elders would exaggerate some words. Oranyan (Orion) became Oranmiyan -- the same utter confusion. The Greek and the Hebrew borrowed a lot from their Canaanite masters from prehistory. The art of writing came from the Canaanites. The Hebrew, the Arabic and the Greek borrowed from the Canaanite. Some older dictionaries would let you know that. But modern dictionaries have begun to omit the Canaanite as first in writing. And that is purposeful. For example, the letter "O" is used by the Canaanite to mean "end or completion." It is "omega" in Greek which means "end." The word "dua" is Aramaic/Arabic for "prayer" or "supplicate before God." In Arabic "Ya" is "O." Therefore if you named your child "Ya'dua" and I named my child "O'dua," we are both thanking God for answering our prayers for giving us the child we want. The name is usually given to the expected last born son. In modern Yoruba, a'dua has acquired the letter "r" to become "adura. "Following the deluge, after a few thousand years with the kingdom under water and under deserts, other people, including the Hebrew, invaded with confidence to take over the land gradually because the great king was gone. The Canaanites scattered under different names to hide because of persecution, genocide, splinter groups and within group fighting. One group became Yoruba, which was 'Yerubbaal' -- the 'People of Baal'. Baal was a monotheistic God. With new names for the one and only God, the word 'Baal' was absorbed from the Canaanite into Hebrew to mean 'lord or master of the house' and it is the same as 'baale' in Yoruba. The people further changed the identity of Baal to Shango. Please make the effort to go to a good museum where you can find the drawing of the Canaanite God Baal and compare it with any statue of Shango. And for that matter, we should compare the sculptures and arts of the Canaanites (Phoenicians) with that of the Yoruba, Benin, Asante and others for similarities. And we should not allow any stolen history found in the Old Testament cause us to shy away from our prehistory. The Canaanite word "ilu" gave us Olu, Eli and Ala. The same people gave us "ob" from which Obd, Abd and Oba came. For example in the Bible, we have OBADIAH which is "servant of God." It is oxymoron when our Yoruba ministers call God "Olorun- oba." the Owner of the Heaven cannot also be called the servant. Olorun by itself is a great attribute for God. Oba in prehistory was the servant of the people appointed by the King to administer his territories -- conquered or acquired. At that time, Obas were like Governor Generals under the British rule in our present day. They were not meant to equal the status of the king. In the same line of conversation, the deity "Obatala" in Yoruba was the 'servant of God' and God is 'Ala Ta Ala' in Islam. The time is now for our linguists, lexicologists, educators and simply ordinary persons to help update the Yoruba Dictionary to include the roots and origins of words. Our alphabets, developed by a European anthropologist, only put us further away from our origin, especially those letters that carry a dot along with them. Take for an example, the letter 'O' as in 'imo' and 'ino'. Both words mean 'light'. But in Aramaic and Arabic, the words 'light' will be 'ur' and 'nur'. Let us declare our own Age of Enlightenment with the new millennium. Author: M. Kayode Oladale Molake 4 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by CrtlAltDel: 9:41pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
igbodefender:Naaa…. You wawa osus aint worth the shiitt www.nairaland.com/attachments/5668488_capture_jpeg6d0ce43c2e6495dc5ba7597dd3872afd 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:42pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
igbodefender:e pain am be contented with ur osu history u came from isreal u are Jew. The ugbo people of Ile Ife remains in ondo and they are no red cap wearing osu. Igbo defender right now 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:42pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Thetruthsayer10: English you can't speak. You are here forming pseudo professor. You are a disgrace. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:43pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Thetruthsayer10:In your dreams, frog |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:44pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Ndi Olukumi by ndi Igbo. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:45pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
igbodefender:am no profesor but what i say i back it up with fact, am not some osu who lie through his teeth with no evidence to back it up. Eg igbo people of Ile Ife are modern day ibo when the same people still exist in Ondo State with multiple account of the history from the king and the people 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by rlauncher(m): 9:46pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
igbodefender: Explain yourself. I insist, Igbos have never at anytime in history spoken Yoruba language , except for those who have lived in Yorubaland in contemporary times. Explain why Olukumi people and their traditional rulers speak a language Yorubas can understand perfectly while Igbos can't understand a phrase let alone a sentence. Explain why their kings had always had Yoruba names. By the way, the guy you are talking to is above 40. Not a kid. Watch your mouth. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:48pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
igbodefender:painment The modern day Igbo king of ife in Ondo State greets u and he has a little story for u about his history.
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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:53pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
rlauncher: Explain why these people safely tucked inside Igbo Land if they are not Igbos. Explain why an Ugbo title Yasara is also present in many parts of Anioma Igbo Land as Iysara, Iyasele, etc. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 9:56pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
igbodefender:they tell the story themselves they migrated from Yoruba land and settle there according to king ayo 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Alfaab: 10:04pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
The etymology of the name "Yoruba"
can be traced to the Arabic or
Arhamaic language. I am not too
good in referencing posts, I would
have referred to you the post in
which I discussed your question.
Let's look at Yoruba and the believed
founder of the tribe, Lamurudu.
The word Yoruba was used to refer to
a people that emigrated from an Arab
culture. As you head North and
encounter different languages its
pronounciation gets closer to "Ya
Arab". Ya Arab stand for the
"Children of Arab" or "People of Arab"
or "Descent of Arab".
The Hausas call Yoruba "Bayarabe".
They call Arabs, "Balarabe" .
Sometimes they will say "Yarabawa"
for Yoruba and "Larabawa" for Arab.
Who were the Arabs at the time of
Lamurudu arriving in Ife? They were
idol worshippers who believed in
gods. Lamurudu brought that
tradition to Ife and instituted it as the
religion of the Yorubas. The Arab
land covered all along the eastern
edge of Africa to the horn by Somalia
and into Yemen and up into what
today is Saudi Arbia. Lamurudu was
an Arab of Axum descent. Axum was
in what is now Ethiopia. Yorubas are
not the only Arabian migrants to
current Nigeria. The Shuwa Arabs are
too. They are found in Adamawa and
Borno and they are of Sudan
descent.
To explain Lamurudu (Oduduwa's
father), let's look at two names;
Abdul Hamid and Al Amin. When
pronounced in Yoruba, the first
becomes Lamidi and the second
Lamina. There are people today in
Yorubaland called Lamidi and Lamina
and if you tell them its correctly
spelled Abdul Hamid and Al Amin
they will dispute it. Using this
analogy, Lamurudu would be
something like Al Marud. Lamurudu
has no translation in Yoruba
language, it is widely acknowledged
that its a foreign name.
The story of Lamurudu beaing a man
of Eastern origin is true. He
emigrated from Ethiopia. Now did
every Yoruba emigrated with him and
are of Eastern origin? NO! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by rlauncher(m): 10:04pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
CrtlAltDel: No o. I beg, we need your contributions too. We must not allow this ignorant Igbo people shave our heads in our absence. . If people are carrying shits from one place to another, and you don't join them in carrying it, they will drop the shits at your doorstep. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nonaira1: 10:09pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Thetruthsayer10: Osita is NOT from ugbodu. Osita is Ndokwa. Osita, a non ugbodu, mentioned they speak yoruba. ngozi who is Ugbodu aka olukumi aka the community in question informed him they DO NOT speak the language and she has yet to meet ANYONE that does. This is a woman from the town in question member of a group meant for IGBOS. If she saw herself as yoruba then she she informing someone else they do not speak Yoruba I'm sill waiting for ANY OLUKUMNI KING prsentation im ANY Yoruba celeberation? Why are you avoiding this simple task. They are yoruba right according to your desperation then you should SEVERAL attendance if yoruba events they went just like i do for our community. Hell let's make it easy...show ANY yoruba traditional event the Ugbodu king have went to or sent any representative. I'm still desperately waiting for this simple task? 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nonaira1: 10:13pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Thetruthsayer10: Ngozi is Olukumi, Ugbodu PRICESLY. Osita is NOT from ugbodu. Osita is Ndokwa. Osita, a non ugbodu, mentioned they speak yoruba. ngozi who is Ugbodu aka olukumi aka the community in question informed him they DO NOT speak the language and she has yet to meet ANYONE that does or claim it. This is a woman from the town in question member of a group meant for IGBOS. If she saw herself as yoruba then why informing someone else they do not speak Yoruba. I'm sill waiting for ANY OLUKUMI KING presentation im ANY Yoruba celebration? Why are you avoiding this simple task. They are yoruba right according to your desperation then you should SEVERAL attendance if yoruba events they went just like i do for our community. Hell let's make it easy...show ANY yoruba traditional event the Ugbodu king have went to or sent any representative. I'm still desperately waiting for this simple task? It is not my in law mentioned. I mentioned multiple olukumi celebrities who never claimed y'all or denounced igbo when called igbo. Perfect example was zeal who was a member of a dominated yoruba group and never once denouced the igbo boy title of styl plus title given to him Still waiting for the well known olukumi that called themselves yoruba Still waiting for any time the olukumi king attemded yoruba events to show your attache by force as yoruba Waiting 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by rlauncher(m): 10:14pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
igbodefender: Just because somebody adopt your culture does not amount to that person being indigenous to your ancestry. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by delpee(f): 10:14pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Alfaab: Thanks for this detailed insight. We keep learning. 2 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by gmoni2(m): 10:20pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Thetruthsayer10: the Songhai people and the sarakunle of Mali were the first outsider that the Yoruba started to trade with, we have a lot in common. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by rlauncher(m): 10:22pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Nonaira1: We leant from history that after the Benin Kingdom invasion of parts of Yorubaland eastward, the surviving Yoruba tribes had to devise a means of survival which includes adopting some of the customs of their new overlords or neighbours to outrightly openly denying their identity in order to survive, such that overtime, some of them started believing that they were never of Yoruba ancestry. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by rlauncher(m): 10:31pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Nonaira1: Many people in Edo and Delta are completely unaware of their Yoruba ancestry largely because they have been assimilated into their surrounding cultures. We know from our ancient history that Yorubaland extended from the coast of Ghana to Warri, Delta state, Nigeria. Not many people know that the Twi people of Ghana are Yoruba. The Cotonou and Ajase people of Benin Republic as well. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nonaira1: 10:34pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
rlauncher: Blah blah All I know is una keep your desperation OUT of aniomaland. Simple!! 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 10:45pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Nonaira1:stop lying how did u know who is from where in the Facebook snapshot u posted. She said the language was going extinct not that it’s not spoken. There is not a lot of olukumi information online but listen to their king they speak olukumi there 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 10:47pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Nonaira1:u are not fromany olukumi town so shut up and don’t speak for them. They know their history and they tell it with Yoruba involved 5 Likes 1 Share
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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by rlauncher(m): 10:50pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Nonaira1: No one is desperate OK.We are just discussing history, putting record straight. Who or whatever Olukumi people believe or chose to be is up to them and OK by us. We don't dream annexation. Even if Nigeria is to split today (which is never going to happen), we the proud Yoruba people will not compel anyone to go along with us. We are not planning secession like the Biafrans. Long live the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 10:53pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Nonaira1:real profile first one second one osu created fake profile
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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by rlauncher(m): 10:55pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Thetruthsayer10: Don't mind nonaira1. These people have been separated from their Yoruba kith and kin for centuries, associating only with their surrounding cultures. It is even a miracle that they have not completely lost their language. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by rlauncher(m): 10:58pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
Thetruthsayer10: It just occurred to me that she may not be indigenous to Olukumi. 1 Like 1 Share |
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