lovingJehovah:
TBH I did not read this voluminous histoire de la guerre.
Here are the 3 questions and keep your answers short and precise:

1. What Bible translation do you use or would you recommend?
2. Are you insisting that Jesus is God?
3. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where Jesus is referred to as "God the son" as opposed to "son of God"?

brocab:
{1}firstly my bible usage is the truth, as long as the truth is revealed this is the bible you need.
{2} I am only insisting Jesus is God to you-because your bible and every other bible, tells me so.
{2 Corinthians 13;14} The undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God, and the sharing of the Holy Spirit be with all of you. {John 20:28} Thomas said to Him, My Lord and My God!
Notice in your bible-Lord and God are in the larger letters..
{3} But then you should be asking yourself this question, every verses I have found and written to you, have come out from the NWT?
{Mark 3:24} If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom can not stand..
Does this mean the JW's won't stand, because they are divided against themselves, why don't the JW's agree with the NWT bible, is it because the bible is against the watchtowers rules and regulations? "So if you were to study the scriptures, this would mean it will bring confusion upon you, "would it be dangerous for you to know your bible holds many hidden secrets, that if these hidden agenda's gets out, the watchtower will condemn you for eternity.
A brothers love will surely help save a brother sister and mother, that needs the Lord forevermore..
"Loving J" this is your destiny, is this to much to ask,for you to accept Christ, and allow Him to get to know you, save you, and experience God's love, God has en-stored for you.

lovingJehovah:
My question is still pending. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where Jesus is referred to as "God the son" as opposed to "son of God"? I have been asking for 3 days now.
You seem to have a personal issue with Jehovah's Witnesses. Who cares? You keep purporting doctrines but never answering any questions.
John 17:3 Jesus himself said that Jehovah is the ONLY TRUE GOD and his father and his God. He is the only one ever referred to as the ALmighty God. John 20:17 Jesus said that Jehovah is his God and our God
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 states that there are many gods in the heaven and on earth, but to us (the first century Christians, Jesus and the Jehovah's Witnesses) there is only ONE GOD. The God, father, creator and head of Jesus, our lord.
1 Timothy 2:5 states that we have one God, Jehovah and one Lord, Jesus.
This is what we believe and it is left to you to believe whatever you choose because we have made our own choice.

lovingJehovah:
My question is still pending. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where Jesus is referred to as "God the son" as opposed to "son of God"? I have been asking for 3 days now.
You seem to have a personal issue with Jehovah's Witnesses. Who cares? You keep purporting doctrines but never answering any questions.
John 17:3 Jesus himself said that Jehovah is the ONLY TRUE GOD and his father and his God. He is the only one ever referred to as the ALmighty God. John 20:17 Jesus said that Jehovah is his God and our God
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 states that there are many gods in the heaven and on earth, but to us (the first century Christians, Jesus and the Jehovah's Witnesses) there is only ONE GOD. The God, father, creator and head of Jesus, our lord.
1 Timothy 2:5 states that we have one God, Jehovah and one Lord, Jesus.
This is what we believe and it is left to you to believe whatever you choose because we have made our own choice.

brocab:
And I have been answering you for 3 day's but because you can't see the answer in front of you, it doesn't mean its not there.
If you have chosen to believe something that is unscriptual, than you are wasting your time, trying to prove, what isn't there?
Answer: Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son.
God did not get married and have a son.
God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son.
Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14) Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit.
{Luke 1:35} declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”
The Holy Spirit entered Elisabeth as well, but John was never called to be the Son of God, or God's son..
You are reading the scriptures with your eye's closed, you can't see it-nor am I expecting you to understand it, the fact is-you don't know Jesus, nor does He know you, your spirit is not connected.

brocab:
You have been trying to argue your point across, what is coming out of your mouth isn't making any sense, I have tried to help you see reason, No-one is denying Jesus is God's Son, the Word of God said it, but it also said: I and the Father are One, I am not expecting you to understand this either, but in Spirit they are One. Just as we are, one with Him..

brocab:
{John 4:24} God is Spirit.
No-one is denying there's One God, One Jesus and One Spirit, we believe Jesus is God that lived among men, Jesus also said: I and the Father are One, "In Spirit they are One Spirit? Just like you, your seed is one with your father and mother-even thou this information had blowing straight over your head, you will never understand this either.

brocab:

{1 Corinthians 6:16-17} Do you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body, For it is said: the two will become one flesh. This means if you were to lay, sleep together, having sex, your spirits will connect, and become one flesh.

brocab:
{Verse 17} And Jesus said: but he who unites with the Lord is one with Him in the Spirit..

brocab:
I am not expecting you to understand anything concerning the Spirit, but one must be born again, before he/she will enter into the kingdom of God, "You have along way to go-before this happens...

lovingJehovah:
What point are you really making here? You seem to be contradicting yourself. It seems as if you know Jesus more than the apostles.

How about John 14:28 ... for the Father is greater than I? Do you read what you write at all? One God, One Jesus and One spirit. Hahaha .
So, when you lay with a prostitute do you become a duality? If your name were Peter and you slept with a prostitute called Anita, will her name now become Peter? Can we address her as Peter whenever we see her?
So, since we are united with God, can you change the trinity to tetrality? Are we also God?
Wow! Judge Brocab. You must be a spirit for you to understand the things of the spirit. Who gave you that spirit? How long did it take you to make it happen?

brocab:
I love your knowledge, because it isn't there?
And who claim to be a believer, "Next question "What do you believe?
Who gave the apostles he Spirit of the Lord..
I love this one-written by whom, So, when you lay with a prostitute do you become a duality? If your name were Peter and you slept with a prostitute called Anita, will her name now become Peter? Can we address her as Peter whenever we see her?
This one blew right past you, didn't you understand the scripture?

lovingJehovah:
As a man of knowledge I expected you to answer the question, but I am surprised that my question only rebounded. Well, as a man of lesser knowledge, I will answer it myself using the Bible.
Yes, I read the scriptures and it contains the meaning of oneness in the sense of purpose and quality. When God said that man and his wife becomes one flesh, it further explains it in Ephesians 5:25; 28-29. 5:25 'Husbands, continue loving your wives, just as the Christ also loved the congregation and gave himself up for it; 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. A man who loves his wife loves himself, 29 for no man ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cherishes it, just as the Christ does the congregation.

You can see that love is the bond that connects the husband to his wife and also connects the Christ to us, members of the congregation.
The fact that the Bible says that they are one flesh does not mean that they are co-equal. Can a wife be called the husband or coequal because she is joined as one to her husband?, No! Verse 22 of that chapter encourages wives to be subjects to their husbands. Not a duality. I am sure that you will not refute the idea that the husband should likewise be subject to Christ according to the Bible. Nevertheless, If you accept that a wife should be in subjection to her husband and not coequal when the Bible says that they are one flesh, and you accept that the husband should be in subjection to the Christ and not coequal, why would you have a problem following that line of belief in 1 Corinthians 11:3? But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
How can I break this down to your understanding?
If a wife cannot be called husband, and husband cannot be called Christ, why is the formula altered in Christ to God when they all appear in the same sentence?
The point is that trinity is a pagan heresy incorporated into Christianity by Constantine in the council of Nicaea held in 325.
In all your failed attempts to prove Jesus as the ALmighty God, remember that it is only a duality, and the holy spirit has not appeared in the picture yet you are having a very hard time fighting the Bible verses so far.
Bro, let me rephrase this verse in 1 Corinthians 11:3. But the Bible wants you, brocab to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Do you realize the above?

sholytomx:
I am amazed, so amazed at ur understanding of the scripture brocab.... may The Almighty God help us all in His undeserved kindness and Mercy.

Omotayor123:
I simply tell them I don't need to be preached to..

Just last week, my mum sat one down and preach to him instead.
When the table turn around, The man quickly carry in leg Waka without looking back.
I laugh so tey


My friend told me They don't pray, so she uses the 'Let us pray method' to disperse them.

brocab:
Again you haven't answered it correctly, and again you don't understand the scriptures, not spirituality, naturally you see something, this is why you are having trouble not understanding the scriptures, nothing makes any sense to you, try this one "Jesus said I and the Father are one, how does this sound to you, what does this mean?
A wife can not be called are husband visa versa, you are only looking at this in the natural, try understanding this in the spirit? Have you heard do not be unequally yoked {2 Corinthians 6:14} Jw's are unequally yoked with us, visa versa, if we were to preach the same gospel, we would be equally yoked in Spirit, in one mind working together,.
The word Trinity, can't be found written in the bible, but it's understanding nature is, it's even written in your bible, and if knew the spirit, you would understand Jesus when He said: {John 17:20-21} I am asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me, through their message, that all of them maybe one, As you Father are in Me, and I in You, May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent Me.
Alright I will try and explain this as simple as I can: you are a JW, you believe in the JW's, and other JW's also believe, you preach one Word, you work as one-door to door, in one month-you hand out one watchtower magazine, you are one organisation, you connect to one spirit, you connect to one Jehovah God, you preach the one gospel, your minds are focus on one sermon, you are one in heart, you are one body that is tuned in together, believing together, and teaching together, you are one spirit, in one mind, and one soul, naturally, this won't make sense, but if we think the same, we all preach the same, we are the same, Spirituality...
As you Father are in Me, I am in you.
{John 14:15-17} Jesus said: If you love Me, keep My commandments, and I will pray the Father, and He will give you another helper, that He may abide with you forever-the Spirit of truth, who the world cannot receive, because it neither receives Him or knows Him, but you know Him, for He dwells with you, and will be in you.
This same Spirit teachers us the Word of God, the Spirit of the Lord brings us to know the Father, under the same Spirit, we become one mind, one Spirit, one soul, one body, preaching and teaching the Word of God as One..

lovingJehovah:
As a man of knowledge I expected you to answer the question, but I am surprised that my question only rebounded. Well, as a man of lesser knowledge, I will answer it myself using the Bible.
Yes, I read the scriptures and it contains the meaning of oneness in the sense of purpose and quality. When God said that man and his wife becomes one flesh, it further explains it in Ephesians 5:25; 28-29. 5:25 'Husbands, continue loving your wives, just as the Christ also loved the congregation and gave himself up for it; 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. A man who loves his wife loves himself, 29 for no man ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cherishes it, just as the Christ does the congregation.

You can see that love is the bond that connects the husband to his wife and also connects the Christ to us, members of the congregation.
The fact that the Bible says that they are one flesh does not mean that they are co-equal. Can a wife be called the husband or coequal because she is joined as one to her husband?, No! Verse 22 of that chapter encourages wives to be subjects to their husbands. Not a duality. I am sure that you will not refute the idea that the husband should likewise be subject to Christ according to the Bible. Nevertheless, If you accept that a wife should be in subjection to her husband and not coequal when the Bible says that they are one flesh, and you accept that the husband should be in subjection to the Christ and not coequal, why would you have a problem following that line of belief in 1 Corinthians 11:3? But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
How can I break this down to your understanding?
If a wife cannot be called husband, and husband cannot be called Christ, why is the formula altered in Christ to God when they all appear in the same sentence?
The point is that trinity is a pagan heresy incorporated into Christianity by Constantine in the council of Nicaea held in 325.
In all your failed attempts to prove Jesus as the ALmighty God, remember that it is only a duality, and the holy spirit has not appeared in the picture yet you are having a very hard time fighting the Bible verses so far.
Bro, let me rephrase this verse in 1 Corinthians 11:3. But the Bible wants you, brocab to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Do you realize the above?

Riofidelio:
BRAVO! Please don't leave me out, direct me to your source of spiritual enlightenment,i'm willing to learn and ready to humble myself but if it's just the normal Theocratic Ministry School i've enrolled already for that one because i want to become adequately competent and completely equipped as a Christian. 2Timothy 3:16/17 Agape my brother!

Ijaya123:
The first thing I say is 'can we pray?'

If the response is negative, I simply walk them on.

brocab:
It is not my personal point-These points were written way before I came into existence..
These points are written in your bible, you do agree Jehovah is our savior, then believe your bible, Jehovah is Jesus in the flesh.
{Isaiah 9:6} “For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us, and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”

Riofidelio:
(Jesus is one of God's mighty son's

Riofidelio:
A SON is given and PRINCELY rule will come to be upon his shoulder (Jesus will rule the Earth under the direction of his God and Father as a "prince" Wonderful Counselor (Jesus' useful counsel will benefit all those who heed to it) Mighty God (Jesus is one of God's mighty son's who are also referred to as God in the Bible but he's not the ALMIGHTY GOD) (Psalms 82:1/6) Eternal Father (After Adam has placed mankind under condemnation through his action in the garden of Eden, we need another father who will lead US back to God and this time not the one from whom will inherit sin and death anymore but everlasting life in view as he teaches US as children how to obey and remain obedient to God just as God commanded parents to inculcate HIS divine laws in the heart of their children so Jesus becomes our everlasting father rather than 'Adam our biological dead father') Prince of peace (All those who follows Jesus will become peace lovers as he taught them never to lead with harmful weapons) That's the full meaning of Isaiah 9:6 according to JWs explanation but you can present a better and much more meaningful interpretation of it Sir!

Riofidelio:
You'll never see a JW who will pray with you on the first visit because it's a sin! According to God's word prayers ONLY comes in when two people agrees on sacred matters. God warned HIS people against praying for or with someone who isn't ready to listen to God's laws. Proverbs 28:9 Secondly God warned Jeremiah never to pray in behalf of those who aren't ready to obey HIS commandments. Jeremiah 11:14,14:11 And the most important representative of God Jesus who is God's only begotten son never pray with anyone who won't agree with Him on sacred matters. John 17:8/9 God always listens to Jesus so His contemporaries concluded that Jesus has a special way of talking to God but He won't pray with them so they begged Him to teach them how to pray, of course they won't have asked if He's always praying in their presence! So God hates such prayers and Jesus won't pray with strangers as well, next time you see JWs listen to know the message Jesus sent them because as His true followers they'll just walk away if you want them to do things against the rules set by their Master, Lord and King (Jesus Christ)

brocab:
Where are you searching-were you just saved within the watchtower..Are you a JW? or are you confused? Which bible are you reading?
I suppose Lucifer is the other son?
Please explain, how many son's did God the Father have, in scripture In {John 3:16} For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
This is written in the New World Translation bible-What else is the watchtower teaching you, these days?

CANTICLES:


Why is he called " one and only son" ... Enlighten me ?

brocab:
I suppose if you had read the scriptures-proper you would understand what this verse is actually telling you.
{John 3:16} For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
JW's believe Jesus is one of God's angels-brother of Michael, brother of Lucifer. And you expect me to enlighten you?

Riofidelio:
That's great! But what will be your reaction if you found out that praying at times becomes something detestable before the true God?(1)Those who turns their hears away from God's laws their prayers becomes detestable.Proverbs 28:9(2) God warned Jeremiah never to pray for those who don't want to hear HIS laws.Jeremiah 11:14,14:11(3) Jesus will never pray with anyone who is not ready to agree with Him on sacred matters. John 17:8/9(4) That's why His contemporaries including His disciples begged Him to teach them how to pray, of course they won't have asked if He often pray in their presence! So when next you see a JW sorry a true Christian, try to listen to the message Jesus sent him/her to deliver to you instead of stylishly sending away those who have come to help you. Romans 10:13-15

CANTICLES:



You have not answered the question.

schot:
you said it all. you r wise.





They are a good example of what Christianity is about.
The go around preaching the gospel to all nations.

They assure you that hard times will come and encourage to stand strong in faith unlike today's prosperity preachers.

They teach love.

They teach you to work hard instead depending on inexplicable miracles.

You hardly hear that a member of them molest an under aged kid.

They are united.

They make out time for the poor and needy.

They are not greedy.

What else is Christianity about?

I am not a witness but I study bible with 10s of them and they treat and respect me like a family.

Unlike what's obtainable in other religious organizations that see members of other denominations as unbelievers.a.My brother, please don't compare those invitation cards that my church and your church share to the books that the Jehovah witness share.

What's in our fliers? A theme, a programme, a venue, my pastor's selfie and a testimony that is most times false.

Bro, make we leave talk. I used to accept fliers because I write quotation of goods at the back but I have stopped since they started writing testimonies there.

Why invite me to your church program when you know that I am member of another church?

I see them as revenue generators for their respective churches.

schot:
you said it all. you r wise.





They are a good example of what Christianity is about.
The go around preaching the gospel to all nations.

They assure you that hard times will come and encourage to stand strong in faith unlike today's prosperity preachers.

They teach love.

They teach you to work hard instead depending on inexplicable miracles.

You hardly hear that a member of them molest an under aged kid.

They are united.

They make out time for the poor and needy.

They are not greedy.

What else is Christianity about?

I am not a witness but I study bible with 10s of them and they treat and respect me like a family.

Unlike what's obtainable in other religious organizations that see members of other denominations as unbelievers.a.My brother, please don't compare those invitation cards that my church and your church share to the books that the Jehovah witness share.

What's in our fliers? A theme, a programme, a venue, my pastor's selfie and a testimony that is most times false.

Bro, make we leave talk. I used to accept fliers because I write quotation of goods at the back but I have stopped since they started writing testimonies there.

Why invite me to your church program when you know that I am member of another church?

I see them as revenue generators for their respective churches.

emsheddy:
Tallesty, my brother, they are indeed hypocrites! Have you ever tried giving a JW your church flier? You will be shocked how they will react! They hate being associated with anything that has Church written on it! Yet they want you to collect their Awake and Watch Tower! I use to welcome them with open hands! But ever since I noticed this behaviour, I don't even read anything with JW on it! Personally, I relate with even Muslims like my brothers but I hate hypocrisy! You can give me your books and journals and I will accept them with a free mind yet you can't accept same from me? Like seriously?

solite3:
Christianity is not about going round preaching.

brocab:
I did answer it, but your problem is, you can't see it-because it's the Word of God, and {John 3:16} is not common to the JW's..

CANTICLES:


Thank you.

You begin to wonder if Jesus was recorded telling the Samaritan woman that " woman, kneel down and let's pray " before he preached to her


Or If he ask the crowd to close their eyes and let's pray before beginning his sermon on the mount .

There are principles to be followed. Which is what many doesn't understand.

Nice post brother, keep it up

brocab:
Riofidelio: with the above message you have provided, it shows you are either completely lost, or you are on your way to be lost either direction-you are not listening, if you were to study the scriptures, then stay on track, the above message, is completely in la la land.
I advise you if someone is teaching you, the above message, Quickly run away-because it isn't worth your wild not knowing God at all.
If you are searching the scriptures, then study alone-talk to Jesus, ask Him to come unto you, and teach you the Word of God through His Holy Spirit.
Riofidelio: not knowing God, is a big mistake, we are either hot for God, or we are cold for God, JW's are lukewarm for God.
If you are thinking about joining the watchtower, or if it is 'to late, and you have already joined-then test yourself, do you believe in the God who's written in the bible, or is there another 'you worship.