laudate:


After telling you I am not Yoruba, you still went ahead to refer to them as 'your people.' Interesting. it is obvious you have some deep rooted animosity against them. I have said nothing but the truth, and you can verify everything I have stated, as the info is in public domain. If you still choose to disbelieve it, then I cannot help you. It is obvious you would rather choose to swallow a lie, than imbibe the facts.....

PDJT:
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-Firstly, i’m not your brother and would never be. Nothing to be pain about as you don’t have anything I’d ever want or need.

-Secondly, your reply is so full of holes that I feel like a mosquito in a nudist colony. But what I can say now is your people are not exactly known as truth seekers or honest bunch and your history & contemporary events have shown that, but rather a dishonest unreliable revisionists as your completely false assertion here proves.

laudate:


After telling you I am not Yoruba, you still went ahead to refer to them as 'your people.' Interesting. it is obvious you have some deep rooted animosity against them. I have said nothing but the truth, and you can verify everything I have stated, as the info is in public domain. If you still choose to disbelieve it, then I cannot help you. It is obvious you would rather choose to swallow a lie, than imbibe the facts.....

Westbestside:
An ingrate will always be ingrate. No one should blame you. We know it is your tribe trait to be ingrate.

Obi1kenobi:
Are you still pulling this "neutral", detribalized charade, where your "neutrality" seems to involve singularly focused animosity towards one group even on threads like this where most of the bile came from the tribe you are always at pains to deny you're from? We get it that you resent Igbos. The question is why you choose to advance this charade of neutrality that everyone by now can see through. Why not just own your bigotry?

laudate:


'Charade?' What 'charade?' And where have I ever claimed to be advancing any neutrality? Must you lie in order to get your views across? I have always made it clear that I do not support groups like IPOB who launch vitriolic attacks against other ethnic groups, as well as those who exhibit negative traits and engage in ad hominem attacks to deride others, simply because they do not share the same perspective. I will not be neutral to such things...sorry, if it offends your sensibilities. You can stop playing the victim card, now. I leave the bigotry to you and your people.

Obi1kenobi:
You just employed the same charade with your IPOB strawman. What does IPOB have to do with your jumping on every opportunity to attack Igbos? Why are those who exhibit your so-called "negative traits" and"launch vitriolic attacks" always Igbo? You didn't see any Yorubas doing that shey?

No point raising distracting nonsense about "playing victim". Your attacks evoke no such emotions because I learn to ignore those who brazenly troll. What I want to understand is why you put up a very transparent deception that seeks to legitimize your trolling as having sincere motives, when in truth, you're just a regular anti-Igbo bigot. I want you to own that and quit the phony charade.

AdiscoPele:
To be frank, Ibos were not like this until Chinua Achebe released his book, 'There Was A Country'.

That book changed the mindset of most young ibos of today who were fed lies.

I believe the man Achebe harboured hatred in his mind for too long and the only lasting legacy he could leave behind was the hatred in his heart.

We have heard stories and read books of genocides the world over but we have never read (or I have never read) any that states that a leader or statesman for the victims side planted hatred and expects his people to prosper.

Take for instance, Nelson Mandela, he surfered personally during the apartheid reigns of the whites in South Africa but when he was eventually released, he began to preach forgiveness and peace. So also, the Israelis never hold any grudge against the Germans even though millions of Jews were killed by the Germans during the holocaust.

But what do we have in Nigeria, a man, respected Nationally and Internationally, a renowned writer who knows the power of books decided to write rubbish against a nation where his fellow brothers brought to his knees.

The problem of Nigeria began on January 15, 1966, when some overzealous young soldiers decided to take over power from the elected politicians, hereby killing most of the leaders of Northern extraction, some leaders of Western extraction and non from the Eastern leaders was touched. After this, the Ibo's recident in the north decided to rub it in the face of the Northerners the success of the coup by jubilating in the open thereby mocking their host. The ibos were the major beneficiary of the coup because, Aguiyi Ironsi, became Head of State through a move by the Speaker of Parliament, Orizu Nwaifo(pardon my spellings) a IBO man that was spared by the young ibo soldiers. The President at that time, Nnamdi Azikiwe(Zik) another ibo man was said to be on vacation in the Caribbean while his fellow politicians of northern extraction were been massacred at home. This we all know led to the counter coup of July 15, 1966.

Simple logic is that the ibos were beaten in their own game and some of the ibos, especially Achebe, who it was stated was a propagandists of the Ojukwu lead government of Biafra, who never really suffered like the ordinary ibos who lost means of livelihood, families and some their lives, a man who enjoyed part of the foods sent to feed the dying children of Biafra decided to do what he knows best once again before he died. Even Ojukwu had forgiven all the atrocities and has also ask for forgiveness, and until his death(Ojukwu) believed in one Nigeria and even ran for the presidency of Nigeria.

I don't think, like someone opined above that the young ibo men were feed with hatred against other Nigerians by their parents is correct. I believe it was Chinua Achebe who has sowed the seed of discord and hatred in the minds of the ibo, and what he hoped to gain is what I can't phantom till this moment.

laudate:


You are wrong! Chinua Achebe did not sow the seeds of hatred in their minds, like you claim. Those seeds had always been there, right from the end of the civil war. The contemptuous disdain many of them had for other ethnic groups, had always been a part of their outlook. All Chinua Achebe merely did, was to put it in writing....

laudate:


You are wrong! Chinua Achebe did not sow the seeds of hatred in their minds, like you claim. Those seeds had always been there, right from the end of the civil war. The contemptuous disdain many of them had for other ethnic groups, (most especially, yorubas) had always been a part of their outlook. All Chinua Achebe merely did, was to put it in writing....

laudate:


'Attacked Igbos,' in what sense? 'Legitimise trolling,' in what way? Do you get a high from conjuring up all these lies? Or does it make you feel good to blame me, for the real and imaginary woes that have affected your people? Which one?

Again, you are playing the victim card. Your brothers on this thread have made several derogatory remarks, but you latched on to my mentions, because you wanted to trend? I guess that is the new thing now. Attack Laudate so that you can get popular. Ok, feel free to make more false allegations and whine louder, since that is how you get your kicks....

T9ksy:




Thanks for the bolded above, o jare!

Infact, my first experience of tribalism (in the countty) was from an ibo woman who went out of her way to express how much dislike she has for me - an 11yr old boy, simply because of my tribe.

To say, i was lost for words will be the grestest understatement, i have ever made. The bigot was living in yorubaland and yet, still hating on yorubas!

AdiscoPele:
To be frank, Ibos were not like this until Chinua Achebe released his book, 'There Was A Country'.

That book changed the mindset of most young ibos of today who were fed lies.

I believe the man Achebe harboured hatred in his mind for too long and the only lasting legacy he could leave behind was the hatred in his heart.

We have heard stories and read books of genocides the world over but we have never read (or I have never read) any that states that a leader or statesman for the victims side planted hatred and expects his people to prosper.

Take for instance, Nelson Mandela, he surfered personally during the apartheid reigns of the whites in South Africa but when he was eventually released, he began to preach forgiveness and peace. So also, the Israelis never hold any grudge against the Germans even though millions of Jews were killed by the Germans during the holocaust.

But what do we have in Nigeria, a man, respected Nationally and Internationally, a renowned writer who knows the power of books decided to write rubbish against a nation where his fellow brothers brought to his knees.

The problem of Nigeria began on January 15, 1966, when some overzealous young soldiers decided to take over power from the elected politicians, hereby killing most of the leaders of Northern extraction, some leaders of Western extraction and non from the Eastern leaders was touched. After this, the Ibo's recident in the north decided to rub it in the face of the Northerners the success of the coup by jubilating in the open thereby mocking their host. The ibos were the major beneficiary of the coup because, Aguiyi Ironsi, became Head of State through a move by the Speaker of Parliament, Orizu Nwaifo(pardon my spellings) a IBO man that was spared by the young ibo soldiers. The President at that time, Nnamdi Azikiwe(Zik) another ibo man was said to be on vacation in the Caribbean while his fellow politicians of northern extraction were been massacred at home. This we all know led to the counter coup of July 15, 1966.

Simple logic is that the ibos were beaten in their own game and some of the ibos, especially Achebe, who it was stated was a propagandists of the Ojukwu lead government of Biafra, who never really suffered like the ordinary ibos who lost means of livelihood, families and some their lives, a man who enjoyed part of the foods sent to feed the dying children of Biafra decided to do what he knows best once again before he died. Even Ojukwu had forgiven all the atrocities and has also ask for forgiveness, and until his death(Ojukwu) believed in one Nigeria and even ran for the presidency of Nigeria.

I don't think, like someone opined above that the young ibo men were feed with hatred against other Nigerians by their parents is correct. I believe it was Chinua Achebe who has sowed the seed of discord and hatred in the minds of the ibo, and what he hoped to gain is what I can't phantom till this moment.

Obi1kenobi:
Funny you can say someone is playing victim while coming out with the emboldened paranoid nonsense. I've never attacked you here before and can't even remember how many months ago we interacted last. And those interactions were usually positive because you saw me attacking Igbo posters and approved of my comments. That is how YOU get your kicks on here. Any anti-Igbo bandwagon gives you an erection. Then he pretends it's all in commitment to a higher purpose when his sole focus is one group. The front page alone of this thread is filled with bile from many Yoruba trolls, but as always, phony that you are, only any negative post by an Igbo person riles you up to get on your high horse and pontificate. Your attacking Igbos isn't what I give a damn about. I don't care about that in the slightest. You don't see me calling out any of the Yoruba trolls insulting Igbos. My issue is your blatant dishonesty and duplicity. You're an anti-Igbo bigot. Claim and own that evident reality and quit the two-faced charade you like to put up.

deji17:
But how come they were not openly and continously expressing the hatred until 2012 when Chinua Achebe wrote his book? Were they pretending before ? Were they angry but afraid to express their bitterness before?

T9ksy:
Thanks for the bolded above, o jare!

Infact, my first experience of tribalism (in the countty) was from an ibo woman who went out of her way to express how much dislike she has for me - an 11yr old boy, simply because of my tribe.

To say, i was lost for words will be the grestest understatement, i have ever made. The bigot was living in yorubaland and yet, still hating on yorubas!

laudate:


I will repeat it again - you are playing the victim card. The minute anyone disagrees with your people or their perspective, they start wailing that he is attacking the Igbo. Wow! It doesn't matter how asinine their viewpoints may be. It is amazing how you are so quick to launch e-missiles in the direction of those who do not share the myopic view of your clique, but you ignore those from your ethnic group who contemptuously deride others.

Now you are throwing a tantrum, because I have not attacked the Yoruba people who have taken your Igbo brothers to task. Why? Is that my job? Do you expect me to launch vitriolic comments in their direction, on your behalf or on the behalf of your people? Is this epistle of yours', some misguided attempt to draft Laudate into your clique of internet warriors in support of the Igbo cause? Is that why you are so pained, and flinging these silly allegations all around? I am not surprised though. You have obviously taken a leaf from your people, in an attempt to cast aspersions on anyone who disagrees with you. Hehehe....like I said earlier, I leave the bigotry to you and your people. Feel free to throw another tantrum and fling around more accusations.....

Obi1kenobi:
Again (and read it slooooowly this time so it can percolate), I couldn't give less of a shiit about your attacking Igbos. You'll be just another in a loooong line of trolls to do so and I don't waste a lot of thought on mindless trolling. The issue is you are one of the few frauds who laughably attempt to mask your bigotry with a veneer of respectability. Quit peddling your rubbish about Ipob and whatever other prop you employ in your charade. We know you're an anti-Igbo bigot. You know you're an anti-Igbo bigot. Have the moral courage and integrity to accept who you are and quit peddling your transparent fraud that any fool on earth can see through.

The notion that I have a problem with someone "disagreeing" with me is patently absurd. You have been one of my biggest cheerleaders here in the past. I could go and dig up the threads, but I couldn't be bothered really. All I needed to do to earn your cheers and applause was to attack Igbos: guaranteed to get you aroused. I'm more than happy to confront opposing arguments civilly and in good faith. Yours though is a clear pattern of anti-Igbo fixation and duplicity. Having the courage of conviction to voice and affirm your bigotry earns your greater credibility and integrity than the transparent charade that everyone on Nairaland can see through.

laudate:


You don't give a shiit about my comments, yet you respond with such lengthy posts wailing about bigotry, and alleging all sorts of real and imaginary sins, committed against your ethnic group! Wonderful! You obviously get a high from flinging around such myopic phrases as "We know you're an anti-Igbo bigot." Who are these set of people you refer to as "we?" Your tribalistic cartel? Sorry, but they do not hold the rights to NL, neither do they dictate the thought processes of everyone on this forum. Thank God, everyone can read. Now get a life and get off my mentions.

You are just disgruntled because I shared factual information that exposed the false, myopic views of one of your cherished Igbo brothers? If it bothers you so much, please take a hike!

CSTR1002:

So all the yorubas my uncle employed in his company are aliens?

All the yorubas working in igbo companies in Lagos are aliens?

Can you swear that you have never received help from any igbo man or woman in your life, you deranged tribalist?

I pray you never receive that help again

laudate:

If you have the time, please do a content analysis of different threads on NL from 2006 till date, and review different threads on other social media sites, as well. Read through topics that relate to the ethnic issue. And you will find your answers, there....

Delivar:

I don't agree with you. Even if they were chased away during the war it's still not sufficient reason to have a low number of Yorubas in Igbo land. The war happened almost 50 years ago so normal migrations should have resumed since then. I believe you are making up these stories to make Igbos look guilty but I wish to tell you that I know some Yorubas residing in Igbo land and they don't complain about Igbos mistreating them or asking them to leave. That's false bro. In fact Igbos don't even care about them being Yoruba. The Hausas and Fulanis are the tribes the Igbos are not really comfortable with and they still don't even mistreat them except occasional clashes. As for the Yourba man I can tell you Igbos don't care. You need to visit Igbo land and see things for yourself and stop making unsubstantiated claims on Nairaland.

Concerning Igbos teaching their children to hate Yorubas that is TOTALLY untrue. I wonder where you got that fasle information from. Igbos don't even talk about Yorubas before you talk of having the time to teach their kids to hate Yorubas. And why should they do so? I know Yorubas who got married to Igbo women in Igbo land. How will that be possible if igbos preach hate to their kids.

If you think Igbos are "hostile" to Yorubas come to Igbo land and see for yourself. Nobody will care you are a Yoruba man. I don't know how you came up with all these false claims. It seems you are drawing conclusions from what you read on Nairaland. Nairaland doesn't represent the true situation on ground. Anyone can come on Nairaland and say anything rubbish just to draw attention to himself and pass time.

laudate:


Ehn? But I did not include Yorubas in my original post, nah....! You sef, check am well.

isaacsegun:

I was thinking you wanted to say all the Yorubas your brother was dashing money or dashing houses, but no, as usual you came up with useless point. Man, all those Yorubas your brother employed as you claimed are simply working for their pay.

Obi1kenobi:
I've stated clearly what I don't give a shiit about. If you choose to exhibit the comprehension level of a senile person, that's your problem, I guess. Tribalistic cartel? I like the old trick of projecting your pathologies on others to mitigate yours. The oldest trick in the book
Yeah, thank god everyone can read and can identify a bigot who deludes himself that he's deceiving anyone for what he really is.

deji17:
Could you tell me summary of your own findings? You mean they have always display this amount of hatred to other ethnic groups since 2006 and possibly beyond '06?

blazhykowskyi:
I'm still waiting to hear any good thing an igbo man has ever done for a Yoruba man.

It's always Yoruba doing something for them, yet they are ungrateful. Well, the new generation is now alert.

Francis5:
Can it ever get back to those good ol' days? Very, very doubtful, as so many waters have passed under the bridge. The resentment and dislike is so much that the wise thing any politically discerning Igbo and Yoruba should be asking for is mutual division of the country into coherent groups.

laudate:


_(yawn) Another misguided rant from your end....! This matter is surely causing you a lot of pain.

Well since you made reference to "the old trick of projecting your pathologies on others to mitigate yours....", I guess it is something you know a lot about, or something you must have practised often in the past, which is why you find it so easy to accuse others of doing such stuff. So tell us, where did you learn such tricks?

Anyway, thank God everyone on NL can read, and they can all see that delusion has been oozing from your keyboard. You are just aggrieved, because I used various facts to debunk the false narrative your brothers were peddling on this thread. So by making false, wide-sweeping allegations of 'bigotry,' you felt your misguided attempt to draft Laudate into your clique of internet warriors in support of the Igbo cause, would gain some traction. Hehehe....let me laugh very well. Sadly, your efforts did not succeed.

If my comments still cause you so much pain, kindly go and have a long in-depth conversation with the Lagos lagoon!

Francis5:


Given that it may never get back to that state, what then is the essence of being in one country? I was born in Nigeria and I live in the US. I am considering running for an elective position as a councilman in my city and I will likely be voted for by Whites. Keep in mind that I was not born in the US and I am brown, living in a city that is 75% White.

How did Nigeria deteriorate to such nadir (lowest point), in spite of the Yoruba and the Igbo famed prowesses? Does it have to do with the innate quality of the black race as a whole?