i wonder oooo

tobillionaire:
so even if you converted to an idol worshipper, they should leave you to build your shrine or build a mosque inside the camp.. how many Christians can you find in Medina

Venica:


l don't know much about what the pastor said but all you said about RCCG is true. very true
I joined RCCG some years ago. but what am seeing now is heartbreaking. My parish was half built with planks. the owner of the land was a member of the church. He lanes the land free to us but later said he could sell it off for 1.4million. we sent out a cry for help to the Area , Zonal and provincial headquarters asking for assistant. We were told to relaxe that the land will be bought soon.
With that assurance the few members start donating funds some giving up two months salaries as we start building the parish. from planks we moved to a complete building. Windows and doors were fixed remaining the paintings
when the owner saw that we have raised the building and the provincial headquarters are yet to give him any money , He gave us a quite notice
we went to the provincial headquarters to complained
They said we should leave the place and look for space elsewhere to rent. as am typing this we are moving to an uncompleted building where we are to pay a rent of 70,000 yearly
what pained me most is that what the church generate from offerings, tithes and others amount to 80,000par month ,but the headquarters will take 90% of the money leaving only 10% to the poor parish. Now all the labours of the poor but dedicated members lies in rains
its well

I am glad to know that my writing is validated. It’s a shame that the HQ is receiving all and allowing the branches to suffer. I have made up my mind and if I am interrupting while passing my messages then I will have no choice than to tell the church and members some hurtful truth and become blind to their pleas. Enough of the business empire on poor peoples funds.
I am also sorry for what has happened to you guys but if I was you I don’t think I can worship in such a church where the leaders are blinded by greed and selfishness.

check my profile and help a sister to grow Oyaaaaaaa

martineverest:
pity urself.....u were blinded by ur pastors to know that tithe was part of those old practices that were considered useless by hebrews 7 abi

The question I keep asking is, why are you atheists here on Nairaland pretending to be Christians to attack the church?

thesicilian:

We all know where the money goes to ultimately.


Along with John 3:16, this is about the only scripture that many Christians can quote comfortably nowadays.


Shoroniyen?
See talk! So house has become a sign post that you can easily uproot from one place and plant in another area?!
Why not give them the option of buying the land?


I believe the correct scripture here is, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - John 8:32. It doesn't say "set" free, or"if you know it." Whole lot of difference.

The house issue revealed the rot more than anything else.

IamaNigerianGuy:


The house issue revealed the rot more than anything else.

I tell you bro, it's fraudulent. I'm sure they won't tell most of them before they start building on the so called free land. Most likely the rccg officials will just shove a lot of paperwork in your face to sign. And which 'Christian brother' dares ask too many questions for fear of being called an 'unbeliever without faith'?

thesicilian:

I tell you bro, it's fraudulent. I'm sure they won't tell most of them before they start building on the so called free land. Most likely the rccg officials will just shove a lot of paperwork in your face to sign. And which 'Christian brother' dares ask too many questions for fear of being called an 'unbeliever without faith'?

Somebody should summon up courage and go to court. There has to be a crime in there somewhere.
Even if he loses, the exposure will be a big blow to the church

daresimon:
. Is that all you have to say? If you have a land and someone build on it,and the person decided to go against your directives, and in this s case you want you land back, do you allow the fellow to stay?

What directives did the person went against

predatorX:


As an ex-Redeemer, i can say you've got Good points bro. You know the church like the back of your hands.

I know for a fact that there is a monthly/quarterly contribution, not just a contribution but a LEVY paid to the HQ by all the parishes. RCCG is a Government within a Government.

The ghost of "Miracle Center" Parish Akowonjo, Egbeda still haunts them. This parish paid contributions diligently, established other churches which later grew to become Area, Zonal and Provincial Hqtrs but the highhandedness of the leadership of the RCCG did not come to her rescue when she needed it most. I can give the history from the laying of the foundation stones to the formation of the choir of the most of the parishes within Egbeda-Shasha environs. Long story short, i don't even know if the parish still exists.

SO I BELIEVE THE MAN DIE.

God bless u immensely. It's good to either keep quiet or say the truth, but lying or staying on the fence is a sin. I have at least once given a form to fill to become a youth Pastor and I declined. I knew a Pastor who worked so had, contributed a large chunk to build a wide expanse of land and build a Church, that had been struggling for space for years, and few months later was transferred to a parish with no land, chairs or equipment, and a vibrant popular music pastor who is always with dignitaries was brought in to take over. The cycle continued for this Pastor, building Churches then being transferred immediately, that he had to leave. When I was given a form I declined, I didn't want to live a lie and have people praise me while I know the truth.

In the end God is the only person we are answerable to and not man ordained by man.

Venica:


l don't know much about what the pastor said but all you said about RCCG is true. very true
I joined RCCG some years ago. but what am seeing now is heartbreaking. My parish was half built with planks. the owner of the land was a member of the church. He lanes the land free to us but later said he could sell it off for 1.4million. we sent out a cry for help to the Area , Zonal and provincial headquarters asking for assistant. We were told to relaxe that the land will be bought soon.
With that assurance the few members start donating funds some giving up two months salaries as we start building the parish. from planks we moved to a complete building. Windows and doors were fixed remaining the paintings
when the owner saw that we have raised the building and the provincial headquarters are yet to give him any money , He gave us a quite notice
we went to the provincial headquarters to complained
They said we should leave the place and look for space elsewhere to rent. as am typing this we are moving to an uncompleted building where we are to pay a rent of 70,000 yearly
what pained me most is that what the church generate from offerings, tithes and others amount to 80,000par month ,but the headquarters will take 90% of the money leaving only 10% to the poor parish. Now all the labours of the poor but dedicated members lies in rains
its well

This type of stories make me cry. The church is an obstacle to itself. don't contribute a dime again into building anything rather continue to serve God faithfully and you will be rewarded

predatorX:


As an ex-Redeemer, i can say you've got Good points bro. You know the church like the back of your hands.

I know for a fact that there is a monthly/quarterly contribution, not just a contribution but a LEVY paid to the HQ by all the parishes. RCCG is a Government within a Government.

The ghost of "Miracle Center" Parish Akowonjo, Egbeda still haunts them. This parish paid contributions diligently, established other churches which later grew to become Area, Zonal and Provincial Hqtrs but the highhandedness of the leadership of the RCCG did not come to her rescue when she needed it most. I can give the history from the laying of the foundation stones to the formation of the choir of the most of the parishes within Egbeda-Shasha environs. Long story short, i don't even know if the parish still exists.

SO I BELIEVE THE MAN DIE.

Pls kindly share the story. We should endeavour not to humiliated. Any form of oppression should be rejected. We await the story pls. Thanks

Dongreat:


I am glad to know that my writing is validated. It’s a shame that the HQ is receiving all and allowing the branches to suffer. I have made up my mind and if I am interrupting while passing my messages then I will have no choice than to tell the church and members some hurtful truth and become blind to their pleas. Enough of the business empire on poor peoples funds.
I am also sorry for what has happened to you guys but if I was you I don’t think I can worship in such a church where the leaders are blinded by greed and selfishness.

That's the key point: "Enough of the business empire on poor peoples funds!".

Dindondin:
the defence of no 3 by you is dicey. I m also a worker n member of RCCG. But I m surprised at some grey areas that needs addressing. Presently, I m tired of going to my parish coz it's far to my house. I spend extra to get to church on Sundays. And I v numerous RCCG at trek able distances to my house. In fact, I can spend 2 mins to get to one of them.

A lot needs to be done in moving of workers and members. Why I v not quited my parish is cos it's a young parish with only 4 people as main workers. We need money & human power to work. If I leave, it's like I betrayed or just left dem with nothing. But when ll that not happen? Our failure to get members to boost the church is affected by excess other RCCG parishes in our hood. It's like they made a mistake creating our own. The Youths there don't wanna come to a new small church with little equipment and less attractive environment. So... Once they come on a Sunday to sample, they hop to another well tushed parish the next Sunday. Some say it to our eyes that our church no fine. That's why they aren't coming. So much to talk about. I wish to v access to RCCG top guns tell them of my experience.

In this hard Nigeria, nobody should v a church that's giving him/her headache!

I can relate with you sir, that is the vision; you will be amazed at what God can do through you. I know a Parish that started in a sitting room, but today a Provincial Headquarters.
God will send labourers to you. There used to be a parish of '2 or 3' people around Masha, Surulere, but today a Zonal headquarters.

Topmaike007:
where you have tell them good nyt there is no point going back there to say good evening..
that is why you need to remove your house.

I thought God said he poured rain on both the sinner and none sinners Why do so pastors don't live by example of God My question still remain So the person will dig up the building carry it in molue to another destination

Venica:


l don't know much about what the pastor said but all you said about RCCG is true. very true
I joined RCCG some years ago. but what am seeing now is heartbreaking. My parish was half built with planks. the owner of the land was a member of the church. He lanes the land free to us but later said he could sell it off for 1.4million. we sent out a cry for help to the Area , Zonal and provincial headquarters asking for assistant. We were told to relaxe that the land will be bought soon.
With that assurance the few members start donating funds some giving up two months salaries as we start building the parish. from planks we moved to a complete building. Windows and doors were fixed remaining the paintings
when the owner saw that we have raised the building and the provincial headquarters are yet to give him any money , He gave us a quite notice
we went to the provincial headquarters to complained
They said we should leave the place and look for space elsewhere to rent. as am typing this we are moving to an uncompleted building where we are to pay a rent of 70,000 yearly
what pained me most is that what the church generate from offerings, tithes and others amount to 80,000par month ,but the headquarters will take 90% of the money leaving only 10% to the poor parish. Now all the labours of the poor but dedicated members lies in rains
its well

Still it doesn't strike you a bit that something is wrong somewhere? I have read many order lamentations from RCCG members in this same thread but yours touched me. I can imagine how the members will feel after going thru the stress of forfeiting their salaries to build the church, only to be treated with contempt from your headquarters.

Can't you guys open your eyes and smell the coffee? Don't you read in your bible that god is not an author of confusion? How can you all be this gullible at the same time? I'm just plain speechless.

Venica:


l don't know much about what the pastor said but all you said about RCCG is true. very true
I joined RCCG some years ago. but what am seeing now is heartbreaking. My parish was half built with planks. the owner of the land was a member of the church. He lanes the land free to us but later said he could sell it off for 1.4million. we sent out a cry for help to the Area , Zonal and provincial headquarters asking for assistant. We were told to relaxe that the land will be bought soon.
With that assurance the few members start donating funds some giving up two months salaries as we start building the parish. from planks we moved to a complete building. Windows and doors were fixed remaining the paintings
when the owner saw that we have raised the building and the provincial headquarters are yet to give him any money , He gave us a quite notice
we went to the provincial headquarters to complained
They said we should leave the place and look for space elsewhere to rent. as am typing this we are moving to an uncompleted building where we are to pay a rent of 70,000 yearly
what pained me most is that what the church generate from offerings, tithes and others amount to 80,000par month ,but the headquarters will take 90% of the money leaving only 10% to the poor parish. Now all the labours of the poor but dedicated members lies in rains
its well

This post touched me so hard

It's well

alobright17:
I thought God said he poured rain on both the sinner and none sinners Why do so pastors don't live by example of God My question still remain So the person will dig up the building carry it in molue to another destination

before you are given land in redemption that it is written there as term and condition that you must agree.. you see people are the cause of their own problem when you know that you can't agree to the TAC why collect the form.

IamaNigerianGuy:
The house issue revealed the rot more than anything else.

What are you saying? A person leaves the church and stops abiding by its doctrines, yet he still wants to continue living within an enclave designed and developed by the same church? Where is that done? If that same man becomes a muslim or an idol worshipper tomorrow, would he still live within the same RCCG Camp estate? Make una think am, nah! The best thing for such a person is to just sell the house to another RCCG member, before leaving the church. Simple. Would a Christian be allowed to live in the centre of Mecca or Medina? Or would he feel comfortable doing so?

Topmaike007:
before you are given land in redemption that it is written there as term and condition that you must agree.. you see people are the cause of their own problem when you know that you can't agree to the TAC why collect the form.

How sure are you about this claim have you seen the TAC with your 2 naked eyes

thesicilian:

We all know where the money goes to ultimately.


Along with John 3:16, this is about the only scripture that many Christians can quote comfortably nowadays.


Shoroniyen?
See talk! So house has become a sign post that you can easily uproot from one place and plant in another area?!
Why not give them the option of buying the land?


I believe the correct scripture here is, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - John 8:32. It doesn't say "set" free, or"if you know it." Whole lot of difference.

Ode. If you wan buy land you no see Lekki phase 1, Mowe phase 2 buy. They tell you say redemption camp na plot on sale? If you chose to build your house inside church, na u sabi.

you claim the pastors to pay for the land... then the development fees is what?? and other requirements is for what?? is it the development fees that they paid, they will use to build the house for them?? the simple truth is that they pay for the land or better still buy the land

SURElee:



Did just read if you decide to leave, you can remove your house from the land? It is well.

It is part of the agreement you sign

Awoofawo:



The number 3 point you raised...... lol......."You can remove you house' as if no b money dem take built the house.....make pesin kunkun dash Dad G.O lo sure .....

Now the church even purchase from some people if they are leaving to avoid wahala.

ollah2:



Pls kindly share the story. We should endeavour not to humiliated. Any form of oppression should be rejected. We await the story pls. Thanks

when are you sharing mosque story Amebo? Why are Moslems always waiting for government and public officers to build mosques for them? Why are all Yidis unattended to? Ode

MaziOmenuko:


Still it doesn't strike you a bit that something is wrong somewhere? I have read many order lamentations from RCCG members in this same thread but yours touched me. I can imagine how the members will feel after going thru the stress of forfeiting their salaries to build the church, only to be treated with contempt from your headquarters.

Can't you guys open your eyes and smell the coffee? Don't you read in your bible that god is not an author of confusion? How can you all be this gullible at the same time? I'm just plain speechless.

it is worse with Catholics, you have no idea how Vatican is using peoples money all over the world. Have you ever asked yourself where all the money from your catholic parish goes?

transformed:
when are you sharing mosque story Amebo? Why are Moslems always waiting for government and public officers to build mosques for them? Why are all Yidis unattended to? Ode

You just confirmed that you aren't just a slave who loves his oppressors but a zombie

laudate:


What are you saying? A person leaves the church and stops abiding by its doctrines, yet he still wants to continue living within an enclave designed and developed by the same church? Where is that done? If that same man becomes a muslim or an idol worshipper tomorrow, would he still live within the same RCCG Camp estate? Make una think am, nah! The best thing for such a person is to just sell the house to another RCCG member, before leaving the church. Simple. Would a Christian be allowed to live in the centre of Mecca or Medina? Or would he feel comfortable doing so?

U dey mind them? Why even discuss this kind of issues with Atheist sef, imagine one stupid head slammer whose religion is built on impoverishing nations is asking people to talk on...so that Wetin?

Remove the house?
How?

transformed:
it is worse with Catholics, you have no idea how Vatican is using peoples money all over the world. Have you ever asked yourself where all the money from your catholic parish goes?

Yours is just a vague claim. The person I quoted shared a real-life experienced as witnessed by him in an RCCG he worships. You are just trying in vain to divert attention away from the main issue in this thread. So what you are implying is that if it happens in catholic, it is okk for it to happen at RCCG?

Your logic is flawed.

alobright17:
How sure are you about this claim have you seen the TAC with your 2 naked eyes

no need to engage you in words..

for your correction i reside in redeemption camp

NoToPile:

This post touched me so hard
It's well

thanks. its well

InvertedHammer:

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No 3 is the best part and says it all @ remove the house. Really? How?

Pastor Wellington said the truth and nothing but the truth.

RCCG is a multinational enterprise guided by the principles of a cult.

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Point 5. sum it all sir, free entry, free exit. As a Pastor depending on his arachy, he must at one time or the other transfer workers.
Sometimes if we understand God that something meant for evil can be turned to testimony for good