Omooba77:
It will be good the Pastor put the record straight

1. Africa Mission offering is not done every week; unless the Parish/Area/Zone/Province made a commitement to do so. I will be more clearer on tnis if I know his parish.

Also money does not go straight to the purse of mummy G.O. Foluke Adeboye; there is a board headed by Pastor Brown Oyitso.

2. The church does not place anyone under curse; only reading what Malachi 3:8-10 says.

3. Lands in camp are not bought but free of charge after paying developmental fees and meeting other requirements; one of which you must be a member of RCCG. If you decide to leave, you can remove your house, but the land belongs to RCCG.

4.You shall know the Truth, the Truth shall set you free, if you know it. I will impore Pastor Wellington to ask for the leading of the Holy Spirit.

I am writing as a private member and as a worker in RCCG,; Iam not the spoke's man.

5. RCCG is not a cult; there is free entry and free exit

Dongreat:
I hardly comment on Nairaland these days due to the invasion of kids and/or people who wanted to deliberately act stupid for likes and being infamous.
But I have to say something about this RCCG issues. This is a firsthand saying. My mum rented her land to RCCG in Warri and initially they agreed to pay yearly fees of which was being fulfilled. But suddenly there was a delay in payment and my mum ask them that despite their members, offerings, tithes and other donations, why can’t they pay their fees and the pastor told my mum that when the money is collected every Sunday, the elders get the total, take a share of the money to the HQ and give him the remaining for the Maintenance of the church. The little he is given can’t take care of church stuff nor pay rent that’s why he is struggling for rent.
My mum met the elders and ask why is it like that and they said it’s directions from HQ and they are powerless. One funny thing is they told my mum to sow the land to them and God will reward her well. Mum laughed and said God has already rewarded me by making me to buy this land, taking it from me, how will I feed my children?
Till today it is a battle for rent payment by a church whose net worth can be equated to billions of naira. I have decided that on my visit to Nigeria, I will go to the church on Sunday and during testimony will politely give the church 30 days to vacate the land else they will hear from my powerful lawyers who is not only well feared but he’s agnostic, so there won’t be sentiments in his duty.

Toptipster:
You and your yahoo pastor are mad.. They should move the house abi?

thecommunist:

why cant you be the help God will send to him. sending them some cash to add to there running cost isnt a bad idea

Omooba77:


The law is that 2 Parishes must not be too close sir; Please write you Provincial Pastor, through the Church Growth Officer (CGO) Copy APICP (Admin), Zonal/Area) about closeness and let them come for physical verification.
God will help you sir; dont be detered; intensify your evangelism, God will send help to you.

Dindondin:
I know about the law. I know all about church creation in RCCG. It's unfortunate it was broken more than 10 times and still counting. I said churches closer to us are more than 10, plus a province sef.
We v written to the area, zonal & provincial pastors. After that, we got N100,000. This money was part of the less than N200,000 I said we v gotten since the beginning of the church. My area has 2 other parishes suffering the same fate as the one I attend.
When I analysed the whole thing, I felt sad coz this is not how to create a parish. It's just a case if over labouring members who ll not be able to withstand the plights if their church & may drain the personal accounts for the Church's use. We v done that severally in my parish.
I need to report directly to Baba Adeboye or any other higher authority. It's unbelievable how some churches were created in the town I live.
The issue of remittance, you ll see some people sitting down in AC at provinces questioning why your church didn't bring remittance or why your remittance is low. I encountered one on Dec 2017. After narrating to her that we were indirectly evicted from our church by the owner of the building, that the owner once fave us N20,000 to add to a loud speaker money... Only to collect it back after two months saying she needs the money. Meanwhile we saved the N20,000 and were raising N26,000 to add to the money. What about the church building, 3 different churches including a different RCCG v used it before us. Our area pastor due to lack of funds or his own short foresight naively took the building for us as church since it was free. The owner of the building didn't even v good report in that hood. Sometimes when we invite people to church, they say they can't come cos of the owner of the building's wahala.

Now, we got a hall of N120,000 per year. We exhausted all funds to rent and decorate the place small cos the hall has no cemented floor, no NEPA light, no meter.

Now, we v decided to tax our self to raise more funds. Somehow, we ll survive. What about others that are helpless or their workers v ran away. Who want church labour in this hard Nigeria. Do you know how it feels to see your friends who attends Winners Chapel, Christ Embassy and other churches that v standard branches or others that attends bigger RCCG parishes, zone or province? Job connections dey bug churches o.

I need to say this for you to know that some things v been shaking the body of Christ in RCCG. The earlier the better they are arrested.

Omooba77:


Thank you sir, God bless you

Omooba77:


Thanks sir, it is noted and the necessary authorithies reading this we act accordingly, only they dont have your details.

Toptipster:

Forget this holy holy.. All of us are out to rip another... G bagbe. Scam is scamming the scammer

Dindondin:
I deliberately didn't want to mention the state or town, province, zone, area or parish. What's your position omoba 77. Are you a Pastor, worker? What parish or area, province, state are you from

phemmyfour:
What kind of rule is that: "If you want to leave RCCG, you can remove your house from their land"

Dindondin:
Tell all authorities concerned that in Ogun Province 1 and 16, there are lots of RCCG parishes that needs funding. Tell them Honourable Area, Ogun 16 in Onikolobo, Abeokuta needs to be assisted financially. All parishes under it are not functioning properly. The area is mainly dominated by students of Moshood Abiola Polytechnic, Abeokuta.

Lastly, in Idi-Mango area of Adigbe, Abeokuta. There are over 10 RCCG churches there. Tell them that the people in charge of creating parishes needs to be advised to stop breeding parishes too closely.

Let them know that except they bring a pastor with spiritual power like healings done by the Biblical patriarchs, churches needs money. Not shuke shuke less than N200,000 that has been given to a parish under Honourable Area in Onikolobo, Abeokuta. Even the Honourable Area no get building. They v bought land for over 3 years and are unable to finish the building. They worship in a rented old building that's frail physically. The owners of the building recently buried someone there and this alone scares some members from attending the church. All these are truth. O wish to be contacted. I ll appear to testify what I v seen.

Omooba77:


The students are your assets sir, you cant tell what they can become. Nourish them, please dont mind the population today, you be amazed what the parish will be in few years time. Please keep faith sir. It can be tiresome, dont loose hope sir.

Aceed:


Let's assume all your firsthand saying is true...how is it that they could afford rent payments when the Church was of a small size and can't pay rents when it is now grown in size (which should equate more revenue)?

Because from the little I know RCCGHQ take a fixed percentage from the revenue of the parishes, let's say it's 70% that is remitted and the Pastor of the parish could afford the rent and other expenses from the meager 30% while it was still a small church, how come he couldn't pay the rent when the Church grew because both the 70% and the 30% grew bigger?

And if they're owing you, shouldn't you have petitioned RCCGHQ directly by letters, mails to the G.O or to/through the Regional/Provincial Pastors?


DISCLAIMER: THIS IS MY VIEW. I AM NOT, I REPEAT, I AM NOT RCCG NOR RCCGHQ NEITHER DO I HAVE RESERVED AUTHORITY TO SPEAK IN BEHALF OF RCCG

CioAngels:
You need not let them into your plan so that they don't wait for you at the cross road. They have told you to use the house to sow seed, imagine that. Just know that they are working tooth and nail to collect your house, i'm sure they intentionally stopped paying rent so that they can go through other evil means to take the house.

MrBigiman:


God bless u immensely. It's good to either keep quiet or say the truth, but lying or staying on the fence is a sin. I have at least once given a form to fill to become a youth Pastor and I declined. I knew a Pastor who worked so had, contributed a large chunk to build a wide expanse of land and build a Church, that had been struggling for space for years, and few months later was transferred to a parish with no land, chairs or equipment, and a vibrant popular music pastor who is always with dignitaries was brought in to take over. The cycle continued for this Pastor, building Churches then being transferred immediately, that he had to leave. When I was given a form I declined, I didn't want to live a lie and have people praise me while I know the truth.

In the end God is the only person we are answerable to and not man ordained by man.

Omooba77:


The land is never sold, but for members with proven records of being commited. Your Provincial Pastor will sign the letter

rezzy:
@dindondin,

I can't just stop laughing at your posts.

That remittance is another serious issue. There was a day we went for remittance and the guy in charge said he won't collect it because there was no members tithe. My husband made him to understand that we have just 2 members and they don't have money to eat, talk more of paying tithe. The guy kept saying province will reject it, and blah, blah, blah. That he should just put like 200# as members tithe. My husband said he isn't putting a dime as members tithe. He told him to tell province to come and see his Parish.

One Parish in my area is a ghost Parish. They evicted them since 2 years ago, no Sunday service or weekly activities yet they do remittance every month. The pastor worships every Sunday at the area/zone.

My parish too, no weekly activities. We stay very far away. Using public transport, we board 3 buses.

Sometimes, I feel like talking and shouting about how they handle the work of God but I don't want them to feel we discuss church matters at home.

Omooba77:


Ok sir, as a man is so is he in his thinking

Aceed:


Let's assume all your firsthand saying is true...how is it that they could afford rent payments when the Church was of a small size and can't pay rents when it is now grown in size (which should equate more revenue)?

Because from the little I know RCCGHQ take a fixed percentage from the revenue of the parishes, let's say it's 70% that is remitted and the Pastor of the parish could afford the rent and other expenses from the meager 30% while it was still a small church, how come he couldn't pay the rent when the Church grew because both the 70% and the 30% grew bigger?

And if they're owing you, shouldn't you have petitioned RCCGHQ directly by letters, mails to the G.O or to/through the Regional/Provincial Pastors?


DISCLAIMER: THIS IS MY VIEW. I AM NOT, I REPEAT, I AM NOT RCCG NOR RCCGHQ NEITHER DO I HAVE RESERVED AUTHORITY TO SPEAK IN BEHALF OF RCCG

greatman247:



I blame you for still attending such church. How can you inconvenient yourself cos you want to attend a church? How can you board 3 different public buses just to attend church. GOD IS everywhere, you can worship in other churches close to you so long you have clear mind and conscience, it is never a must you worship in RCCG except if you have anyone closer to your house. I can never go to a church that is far to my house, never. The Bible has already said, God is where two or three persons are gathered and God can be anywhere and everywhere all at the same time. So why must you go that far just to attend church service? For what na? E no make any sense.

greatman247:



It's not about just the land. A lot concerning this church. They are too after money. The other time i went to this church (first Sunday of the month though) they gave us 3 envelopes as I was entering for (thanksgiving offering, love offering and the regular offering) too much offerings. Not to talk of other offerings like project offerings and the likes. The pastor was even saying if one want to do transfer just incase you dont have cash that will be welcome; so they gave account numbers for regular offerings and like six other bank account numbers opened for other offering purposes and the Pastor said that very soon that branch of the church will be using POS machine in matter of months.

Now my problem with this church is this, they operate it like business and if gov't ask them to pay tax they will say they are not business venture. Even their member will counter govt. For the church to Fix public roads they won't and yet their members park cars in all the public roads fixed by govt and cause distruption to free flow of traffic and yet we blame govt.

Counter the video I talked about also. How can a pastor determine who will make Heaven and who will not? Is he a personal assistant or secretary to Almighty God in Heaven to know who will make Heaven? I want to know. As far as I'm concern Heaven never sure for anyone including the so called big pastors. In the Bible, even a thief made Heaven, what I know is your last action gets you to Heaven not a pastor to come and tell me if I don't give tithe I will not make Heaven, who is he to know that? So he the God Almighty now to determine who gets to Heaven and who will not?

Toptipster:

Hmm. Omooba77 oya pick up your Bible and point out where it is written that the small pastor should act as tax collector for the bigger pastor. I haven't been in church for months now. I have seen more blessings than the people in church who do nothing more than gossip and rip off people money.
It written in the Bible that "go ye and preach the gospel" not go ye and do clearing and forwarding to HQ.
REMOVE MONEY FROM CHURCH AND WATCH HOW THE GOSPEL WILL SPREAD. PEOPLE SHOULD STOP GIVING MONEY TO PASTOR. SOME PASTOR WONT EVEN JOIN THE RAT RACE IF NOT FOR MONEY.
People should learn how to sow by not giving money but buying what is needed or rendering services needed directly.

Obi1kenobi:
I came here just to bash churches, as I often enjoy doing.
But I was enlightened and sobered by the posts about the struggles of many RCCG members here. I'd tell you to "keep the faith", but I don't share your faith. I can only hope you find peace and fulfillment in your endeavors and sacrifice. I wish you'd put such commitment into more productive things for humanity.

Omooba77:


You are to give as God bless you, you are not under any constraint to give. God sees all men. Money is not all the blessings you get, 3John 2

Omooba77:


A member and worker Region 1

tim26will:

Sincerely i get disturbed by how you people give your pearl to dogs to drag in mud. Bringing your church issues to social media to discuss. You're not helping yourself but killing your spirit.