In a hot Argument whit my guys on who created Satan.. Plz I need answers here.

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Ivanlxi:
In a hot Argument whit my guys on who created Satan.. Plz I need answers here.

No one created Satan. Satan means an adversery, an opposer, an enemy. Lucifer was an angel made by God alongside many other angels, but he was particularly beautiful and wise, and like every other angel God created, he had his reasoning and will power. Angels are not robots, they have will and choices, just like man. So made God all of them.

But the angel, Lucifer, out of his beauty and wisdom, became proud, and sort to take for himself, what God hasn't assigned to him, that is to be worshipped by other angels lower in rank than himself and possibly man too. God denied him this and kicked him out along side other angels who supported him, and proclaimed an everlasting judgement upon them, because that was a treasonable offence, trying to compete with your maker. However, till today, the devil/satan/lucifer believes he has the right to be worshipped and has not stopped demanding it from anybody. He even demanded it from Jesus Christ, when He came on earth as a man.

That shows you the crazy and wacky desire of Lucifer. But till today, all the fallen angels led by Lucifer, are ever busy opposing God because He kicked them out of heaven. They have become so hateful of Him and His ways. Besides, they became very jealous of man because, man also sinned, but God chose to give man a second chance which they never had. But before you say why, let me tell you. The devil seeing he has been cast out of heaven, sort to hurt God in any way possible, and the only way was to attack what God loves most and destroy it. That thing is man. And sin destroys man. So he set out to deceive man, and man truly fell. Since man fell by deception, he was given a second chance, coupled with the fact that God loves man so much, He even paid the price of the second chance for man by allowing Jesus Christ to die for us. Man was His very image. So, if man falls again, or refuse to repent of their sins, it means they're acting deliberately, and therefore will go the way of the fallen angels, since they too have made that choice.

So, Satan came about by the choice of an angel and was never created as Satan. Just like no man can birth a child and say, this is an armed robber, but that child grows up and chooses what to become, good or bad and will also suffer whatever consequences that choice will bring.

Jesus Christ came to save. Seize the opportunity of a second chance and be saved. God bless you.

Why not ask satan himself

Primesky:


No one created Satan. Satan means an adversery, an opposer, an enemy. Lucifer was an angel made by God alongside many other angels, but he was particularly beautiful and wise, and like every other angel God created, he had his reasoning and will power. Angels are not robots, they have will and choices, just like man. So made God all of them.

But the angel, Lucifer, out of his beauty and wisdom, became proud, and sort to take for himself, what God hasn't assigned to him, that is to be worshipped by other angels lower in rank than himself and possibly man too. God denied him this and kicked him out along side other angels who supported him, and proclaimed an everlasting judgement upon them, because that was a treasonable offence, trying to compete with your maker. However, till today, the devil/satan/lucifer believes he has the right to be worshipped and has not stopped demanding it from anybody. He even demanded it from Jesus Christ, when He came on earth as a man.

That shows you the crazy and wacky desire of Lucifer. But till today, all the fallen angels led by Lucifer, are ever busy opposing God because He kicked them out of heaven. They have become so hateful of Him and His ways. Besides, they became very jealous of man because, man also sinned, but God chose to give man a second chance which they never had. But before you say why, let me tell you. The devil seeing he has been cast out of heaven, sort to hurt God in any way possible, and the only way was to attack what God loves most and destroy it. That thing is man. And sin destroys man. So he set out to deceive man, and man truly fell. Since man fell by deception, he was given a second chance, coupled with the fact that God loves man so much, He even paid the price of the second chance for man by allowing Jesus Christ to die for us. Man was His very image. So, if man falls again, or refuse to repent of their sins, it means they're acting deliberately, and therefore will go the way of the fallen angels, since they too have made that choice.

So, Satan came about by the choice of an angel and was never created as Satan. Just like no man can birth a child and say, this is an armed robber, but that child grows up and chooses what to become, good or bad and will also suffer whatever consequences that choice will bring.

Jesus Christ came to save. Seize the opportunity of a second chance and be saved. God bless you.

Car manufacturers are made to recall thousands of cars if its found that a particular model has a manufacture defect. They take sole responsibility of fixing these defects and are sometimes fined millions of dollars.

Most phones from reputable companies like samsung, apple come with a manufacturers warranty. So when your phones get faulty during the time frame, you are entitled to either a brand new phone or they take up the cost of fixing it. They take responsibility since the mistake came from them.

God created Satan. Since its his creation, he should man up and take responsibility for the defect in his creation. QED

Whoever created God, created Satan. The Larger Trinity is:- God The Father-The Supreme Spirit. God The Spirit-Holy & Satanic and God The Son(The Creations).

Humans

sKeetz:


Car manufacturers are made to recall thousands of cars if its found that a particular model has a manufacture defect. They take sole responsibility of fixing these defects and are sometimes fined millions of dollars.

Most phones from reputable companies like samsung, apple come with a manufacturers warranty. So when your phones get faulty during the time frame, you are entitled to either a brand new phone or they take up the cost of fixing it. They take responsibility since the mistake came from them.

God created Satan. Since its his creation, he should man up and take responsibility for the defect in his creation. QED

You have distorted the truth, and your comparison is not compatible either.

It seems you have a very close relationship with the devil to know he was made defective or did he tell you he was made defective?. God decleared it from the very beginning that all things He made was good!.

Also, God declared that Lucifer was perfect in all his ways from the beginning just as the perfect God made him, until iniquity was found in him. That was clearly a choice!.

Now, all the things you mentioned as an example are insensible things. Which have no power of choice. If God who made you tells you, hey look, their's a problem in you, and you need to let me correct it. Should He force you to comply?. That's what playing out with man too, never has Lucifer agreed to be at fault, rather, he keeps selling the lies to you to defend him, but that's an absolute waste of time because the judgement has been passed. Woe betide that soul that will ignorantly align with him.

Isaiah 14:12-15 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Tell me, if you see someone in need, by the way side, would you force your help on them?. No! You won't!. But you can drag your car to the mechanic to fix it up. This is what is playing out with man today. God is saying let me fix you up, but men are saying let me be. Please, who stands to lose?.

You will only make sense with your narrative, if the father of a man whose son, chose to become an armed robber, can drag and force him to change by force without the son's decision to change, can you do that?. Man is not a robot. He has will and he makes choices.

This is how the devil came about.

Ezekiel 28:13-15 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Pride is a destroyer and a killer. Humble yourself now and seek Jesus.

Choose Jesus today.

Primesky:


You have distorted the truth, and your comparison is not compatible either.

It seems you have a very close relationship with the devil to know he was made defective or did he tell you he was made defective?. God decleared it from the very beginning that all things He made was good!.

Also, God declared that Lucifer was perfect in all his ways from the beginning just as the perfect God made him, until iniquity was found in him. That was clearly a choice!.

Now, all the things you mentioned as an example are insensible things. Which have no power of choice. If God who made you tells you, hey look, their's a problem in you, and you need to let me correct it. Should He force you to comply?. That's what playing out with man too, never has Lucifer agreed to be at fault, rather, he keeps selling the lies to you to defend him, but that's an absolute waste of time because the judgement has been passed. Woe betide that soul that will ignorantly align with him.

Isaiah 14:12-15 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Tell me, if you see someone in need, by the way side, would you force your help on them?. No! You won't!. But you can drag your car to the mechanic to fix it up. This is what is playing out with man today. God is saying let me fix you up, but men are saying let me be. Please, who stands to lose?.

You will only make sense with your narrative, if the father of a man whose son, chose to become an armed robber, can drag and force him to change by force without the son's decision to change, can you do that?. Man is not a robot. He has will and he makes choices.

This is how the devil came about.

Ezekiel 28:13-15 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Pride is a destroyer and a killer. Humble yourself now and seek Jesus.

Choose Jesus today.

All this long epistle is irrelevant. I'll just ask you this, if Satan was made perfectly by Yahweh...how did evil get into him?

If a computer software is found to be susceptible to attacks by virus and malware, doesnt it tell you that the code was not perfect and the programmer failed to debug his code properly?

Primesky:


No one created Satan. Satan means an adversery, an opposer, an enemy. Lucifer was an angel made by God alongside many other angels, but he was particularly beautiful and wise, and like every other angel God created, he had his reasoning and will power. Angels are not robots, they have will and choices, just like man. So made God all of them.

But the angel, Lucifer, out of his beauty and wisdom, became proud, and sort to take for himself, what God hasn't assigned to him, that is to be worshipped by other angels lower in rank than himself and possibly man too. God denied him this and kicked him out along side other angels who supported him, and proclaimed an everlasting judgement upon them, because that was a treasonable offence, trying to compete with your maker. However, till today, the devil/satan/lucifer believes he has the right to be worshipped and has not stopped demanding it from anybody. He even demanded it from Jesus Christ, when He came on earth as a man.

That shows you the crazy and wacky desire of Lucifer. But till today, all the fallen angels led by Lucifer, are ever busy opposing God because He kicked them out of heaven. They have become so hateful of Him and His ways. Besides, they became very jealous of man because, man also sinned, but God chose to give man a second chance which they never had. But before you say why, let me tell you. The devil seeing he has been cast out of heaven, sort to hurt God in any way possible, and the only way was to attack what God loves most and destroy it. That thing is man. And sin destroys man. So he set out to deceive man, and man truly fell. Since man fell by deception, he was given a second chance, coupled with the fact that God loves man so much, He even paid the price of the second chance for man by allowing Jesus Christ to die for us. Man was His very image. So, if man falls again, or refuse to repent of their sins, it means they're acting deliberately, and therefore will go the way of the fallen angels, since they too have made that choice.

So, Satan came about by the choice of an angel and was never created as Satan. Just like no man can birth a child and say, this is an armed robber, but that child grows up and chooses what to become, good or bad and will also suffer whatever consequences that choice will bring.

Jesus Christ came to save. Seize the opportunity of a second chance and be saved. God bless you.

so... God created Lucifer.

sKeetz:


All this long epistle is irrelevant. I'll just ask you this, if Satan was made perfectly by Yahweh...how did evil get into him?

If a computer software is found to be susceptible to attacks by virus and malware, doesnt it tell you that the code was not perfect and the programmer failed to debug his code properly?

You simply dont get it. Angels are not robots. They can chose to be good or bad. Lucifer was perfect at a time until he chose to be bad. Adam was perfect until he chose to disobey God. It was their choice

sKeetz:


Car manufacturers are made to recall thousands of cars if its found that a particular model has a manufacture defect. They take sole responsibility of fixing these defects and are sometimes fined millions of dollars.

Most phones from reputable companies like samsung, apple come with a manufacturers warranty. So when your phones get faulty during the time frame, you are entitled to either a brand new phone or they take up the cost of fixing it. They take responsibility since the mistake came from them.

God created Satan. Since its his creation, he should man up and take responsibility for the defect in his creation. QED

Is that really how you see living beings like phones that can't function without someone constantly pushing it's buttons


God created living creatures not robots

danvon:
Is that really how you see living beings like phones that can't function without someone constantly pushing it's buttons


God created living creatures not robots

Finally who created Satan

Ivanlxi:



Finally who created Satan

No one Lucifer made the choice to become Satan.. #capiche# someone above already said this

DaraCleavon:


You simply dont get it. Angels are not robots. They can chose to be good or bad. Lucifer was perfect at a time until he chose to be bad. Adam was perfect until he chose to disobey God. It was their choice

Apologists always use creationism as evidence of God's existence; If nothing cant create something, its suffice to say that evil must have had a creator. Since evil never existed before god, therefore, god is the creator of evil.

The bible validates this assertion.

Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

danvon:
Is that really how you see living beings like phones that can't function without someone constantly pushing it's buttons


God created living creatures not robots

Is God omnipotent?

There is something people don't know. There is no supernatural being called the Devil or Satan. Satan is just a Hebrew word meaning an adversary or opposer. Remember that the Old Testament of the Bible was originally written in the Hebrew language before translation into English. It will interest readers to know that there is never a mention of the word 'The Devil in the Old Testament. Also if you carefully read the Old Testament, you will see that God never at any time warned his people, the children of Israel to be careful of someone called the Devil or Satan when he gave them his laws. He rather held them responsible and punished them accordingly anytime they committed sin. That would have been unjust on the part of God since it wasn't actually their fault. God in Isaiah 45:5-7 and several other places in the Bible confirmed that he has no challenger to his authority. I have tried to post a very interesting Christian drama that dealt on this Devil issue on this forum. Unfortunately, I wasn't successful as the system kept saying the post is too long. However, whoever is interested in learning who the devil really is can request for the free drama (PDF) from akurechristadelphians@yahoo.com. The drama will enlighten you to know that the Bible never contradicts itself. God can never claim to be all powerful and at the same time allow the devil to destroy his works. Impossible

sKeetz:


Apologists always use creationism as evidence of God's existence; If nothing cant create something, its suffice to say that evil must have had a creator. Since evil never existed before god, therefore, god is the creator of evil.

The bible validates this assertion.

Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

The way u turn God's words into concepts......"creationism" u don't get to question God. I pity y'all atheist, especially nigerian atheist. I still baffle at how a sane man would look all around him and conclude that all we see around us jsut happen to come by randomly. so insane and stupid. Its obvious enough that there os a creator in charge. if men were to creat an artificial intelligence robot and put them in an area where they dont see their creator, do u think they would also claim they evolve from monkeys?? Atheism is so self defeating

DaraCleavon:


The way u turn God's words into concepts......"creationism" u don't get to question God. I pity y'all atheist, especially nigerian atheist. I still baffle at how a sane man would look all around him and conclude that all we see around us jsut happen to come by randomly. so insane and stupid. Its obvious enough that there os a creator in charge. if men were to creat an artificial intelligence robot and put them in an area where they dont see their creator, do u think they would also claim they evolve from monkeys?? Atheism is so self defeating

You've deviated from the message and attacked me for no just cause. its very clear that you apologists can't stand to see your belief scrutinized and you get all defensive and butthurt.

If there must be a creator for something to exist, then it's safe to say that the creator must also have a creator and it continues till infinity. It's just like trying to find the last digit of a decimal which is impossible so that theory is flawed.

At least if we kept a robot. We wouldn't threaten to burn it till eternity for the mistakes which we the creators are responsible for.

sKeetz:


You've deviated from the message and attacked me for no just cause. its very clear that you apologists can't stand to see your belief scrutinized and you get all defensive and butthurt.

If there must be a creator for something to exist, then it's safe to say that the creator must also have a creator and it continues till infinity. It's just like trying to find the last digit of a decimal which is impossible so that theory is flawed.

At least if we kept a robot. We wouldn't threaten to burn it till eternity for the mistakes which we the creators are responsible for.

Heard. Arguments with y'all are always futile n hopeless. I pray you live long and die into nothingness just as you've believed.

DaraCleavon:


Heard. Arguments with y'all are always futile n hopeless. I pray you live long and die into nothingness just as you've believed.

Calm down.

This only happens when you try to defend the indefensible. It always ends in anger and frustration.