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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Unlimited22: 12:38pm On May 06, 2018
hensben:
The guy play exactly like Pogba with little work rate. Man U need a b2b midfielder, a midfielder in mode of Modric.
Is Modric a Box-to-box midfielder?
Oga hensben.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 12:41pm On May 06, 2018
hensben:
The guy play exactly like Pogba with little work rate. Man U need a b2b midfielder, a midfielder in mode of Modric.
So u fit get sense like this?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 12:41pm On May 06, 2018
Unlimited22:
Is Modric a Box-to-box midfielder?
Oga hensben.
Yes he is
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Unlimited22: 12:44pm On May 06, 2018
eph12:
Yes he is
Modric?
Box-to-box denotes a particular brand of energy displayed by the likes of Pogba, Vidal, maybe Gundogan etc.
Modric is a controller, a regista in the mould of Pirlo.
Except you're being sarcastic.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilstjnr: 12:45pm On May 06, 2018
Unlimited22:
Modric?
Box-to-box denotes a particular brand of energy displayed by the likes of Pogba, Vidal, maybe Gundogan etc.
Modric is a controller, a regista in the mould of Pirlo.
Except you're being sarcastic.
do you watch modric at Madrid?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Unlimited22: 12:46pm On May 06, 2018
Nihilstjnr:
do you watch modric at Madrid?
To me, I'm sorry, he doesn't exactly tick all the boxes of a Box-to-box midfielder. He might have at Spurs, but certainly not now.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Unlimited22: 12:46pm On May 06, 2018
Though hensben is actually quite correct in saying that United need a mid in the mould of Modric.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 12:54pm On May 06, 2018
stylochime:
sergej a tackler? Are we watching the same Sergej ?
He's a pure central midfielder, I don't see anything special or unique which would really b an added quality to what we have honestly.... Maybe it's because it's mostly clips I've seen, but for manu to go back to being among the elite, it's not his kind we need
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilstjnr: 12:56pm On May 06, 2018
Unlimited22:
To me, I'm sorry, he doesn't exactly tick all the boxes of a Box-to-box midfielder. He might have at Spurs, but certainly not now.
he plays more or less as a box to box midfielder at Madrid.

Madrid's playmaker plays at left back for them. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Unlimited22: 12:57pm On May 06, 2018
Nihilstjnr:
mehn this news about milinkovic-savic is making me a bit jealous.

he's a very tidy player
We've still got Marco Van Ginkel.
And I think RLC has improved.
That guy is a decent player and will be a good addition to any team, but he's not as much a priority as a striker, RWB and a keeper if Basketois leaves.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Unlimited22: 12:58pm On May 06, 2018
Nihilstjnr:
he plays more or less as a box to box midfielder at Madrid.

Madrid's playmaker plays at left back for them. grin
grin grin grin grin grin
Really true...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 12:58pm On May 06, 2018
GloryIsaac:
shocked

Lmao!... Even if Mou no wan get sense, make the players get sense abeg... EPL title next season.
eph12:
Abi.. Putting on that jersey should mean drawing blood on the pitch, fighting to the finish, winning every second balls, making swift attacks before opponents regroup.

These guys don't have ambition. They have no shame. Bunch of talent with no drive is a waste. This is where I fault Jose. These guys are talented enough, what they just need is that drive. That passion to destroy teams from the kick off. Jose should be able to motivate his players if they are not able to. That's why he is there. Football is not only against the top teams. They seem to be able to motivate themselves when they play against top teams but after that is back to zero.

There's a reason why coaches are changed and not the whole team when the season doesn't work out no matter who the coach is.
You guys are saying something that might not be easy to do. Eph especially. Although I agree with your thoughts about Mourinho.


I don't believe players Dont want yo win things but a lot of their disposition on the field I believe is down to what the coach wants. I mean he picks the team to execute whatever he wants.

If a coach is attack minded and chooses attack minded players, it is very likely you would have an attacking team, but if a coach is conservative but also has attack minded players it is likely that the players would want to adhere yo the conservative instructions they have been given by the coach thereby limiting there attacking instincts.

We start a game at 0 - 0 and there is no drive to score but immediately we concede we see an attacking team.

We manage to score first and then we start to use style to park the bus because we have a conservative coach who wants to win with defensive masterclass nonsense.

But we all see how top teams attack right from the whistle and even when they go a goal up they Dont relent, they continue you attack and might decide to go defensive in the last 5mins just to hold on to a lead.

We have discussed this thing more than a 100times here Mourinho's conservative approach is the problem and not the players.

Imagine at 1 - 0 the instruction is to hold the ball and one attack minded player decides to have sense to attack and then loses the ball which results in an equalizer. Mourinho's presser that day and for the next week will be all about that player not playing to instructions.

Mourinho is the one that needs to change or be changed.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 1:19pm On May 06, 2018
Unlimited22:
Modric?
Box-to-box denotes a particular brand of energy displayed by the likes of Pogba, Vidal, maybe Gundogan etc.
Modric is a controller, a regista in the mould of Pirlo.
Except you're being sarcastic.
He doesn't have to be in the mould of Vidal and Co. He just have to be very effective from box to box. Modric is always moving, from receiving the ball in the defense to pushing it forward, way beyond the half line. That's a b2b for me.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 1:37pm On May 06, 2018
codedguy1:
You guys are saying something that might not be easy to do. Eph especially. Although I agree with your thoughts about Mourinho.


I don't believe players Dont want yo win things but a lot of their disposition on the field I believe is down to what the coach wants. I mean he picks the team to execute whatever he wants.

If a coach is attack minded and chooses attack minded players, it is very likely you would have an attacking team, but if a coach is conservative but also has attack minded players it is likely that the players would want to adhere yo the conservative instructions they have been given by the coach thereby limiting there attacking instincts.

We start a game at 0 - 0 and there is no drive to score but immediately we concede we see an attacking team.

We manage to score first and then we start to use style to park the bus because we have a conservative coach who wants to win with defensive masterclass nonsense.

But we all see how top teams attack right from the whistle and even when they go a goal up they Dont relent, they continue you attack and might decide to go defensive in the last 5mins just to hold on to a lead.

We have discussed this thing more than a 100times here Mourinho's conservative approach is the problem and not the players.

Imagine at 1 - 0 the instruction is to hold the ball and one attack minded player decides to have sense to attack and then loses the ball which results in an equalizer. Mourinho's presser that day and for the next week will be all about that player not playing to instructions.

Mourinho is the one that needs to change or be changed.
I don't really agree that the team is defensive. The players are just cautious or don't know how to construct good attacking moves. Attacks break down before they even start, not because they're defensive or the opponents are good, but because most times they play like they don't understand themselves or where their players are supposed to be when they're with the ball. Some hold the ball for too long allowing opponents to regroup. That's not defensive to me.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 2:19pm On May 06, 2018
hensben:
The guy play exactly like Pogba with little work rate. Man U need a b2b midfielder, a midfielder in mode of Modric.
Thank you. Maybe if u had offered ur professional opinion to the Chelsea board, they wont ve bought Bakayoko...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 2:41pm On May 06, 2018
Huddersfield playing their legs away.

I no go mind if this match end goalless
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 2:52pm On May 06, 2018
Wetin Zabaleta find go Etihad? It's not as if Pep'll invite him in the league celebrations
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 2:59pm On May 06, 2018
Leyqute:
Huddersfield playing their legs away.

I no go mind if this match end goalless
I mind abeg. Well i no mind if na 1-1 draw. Make dem sha score Ederson.

Our boy must win those golden gloves this year!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by stylochime: 3:06pm On May 06, 2018
dubylhover:
He's a pure central midfielder, I don't see anything special or unique which would really b an added quality to what we have honestly.... Maybe it's because it's mostly clips I've seen, but for manu to go back to being among the elite, it's not his kind we need
Sergej is basically Pogba without the extra bag of tricks. If we are purchasing just then we arein for a long thing. However if we can purchase another midfielder i.e a box midfielder that can help Matic with defensive duties and midfield control, and proper full backs to offer width, then excellent.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:06pm On May 06, 2018
Look at Sterling. He was fouled and the linesman was waving his flag vigorously yet he played on- even before the ref had the chance to stop play. He was fouled again after a tussle and then the ref blew the whistle, before handing the first fouler a yellow.

I no go mind make Martial and Pogba get that kind agidi
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:11pm On May 06, 2018
Lana1:
I mind abeg. Well i no mind if na 1-1 draw. Make dem sha score Ederson.

Our boy must win those golden gloves this year!!
E go win am jare. I understand it's tight but I think City will still concede before the season ends.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by stylochime: 3:26pm On May 06, 2018
Leyqute:
Look at Sterling. He was fouled and the linesman was waving his flag vigorously yet he played on- even before the ref had the chance to stop play. He was fouled again after a tussle and then the ref blew the whistle, before handing the first fouler a yellow.

I no go mind make Martial and Pogba get that kind agidi
people blame Mou for our players attitude but is it really is fault? Yes he partly to blame for team selection and tactics but the main issue here is that very little of our players have the right mix of ability and drive. Smalling is reliable but very technically limited, young and valencia same have the same problem. Pogba is fucking talented but sometimes plays like he was forced on the pitch. Herrera is driven but technically limited. Lingard is also driven but technically limited. Lukaku is driven but technically inconsistent. Rashford is hardworking bt sometimes he behave like a senseless idiot. Martial is talented but likes everything to be in his favour for him to thrive. The only players that display passion despite thier talents are possibly only De Gea Bailly nd Sanches.

I love Martial but i hate the fact that he can‘t be aggressive. For me the only blame i put on Jose is the fact that he isn‘t ruthless enough. Not just about coming tothe press room and talking. I need him to weild the axe on those players who are not good enough and kicked them out. Infact even those who are good enough but don‘t show enough desire and disciplined should be kicked out. Our match against Brithon was terrible and it had nothing to do wit tactics or setup. Our player were behaving like drunk men on the pitch.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:27pm On May 06, 2018
Huddersfield suppose win this match. They wasted a couple of golden opportunities towards the end of the game
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 3:28pm On May 06, 2018
Leyqute:
Look at Sterling. He was fouled and the linesman was waving his flag vigorously yet he played on- even before the ref had the chance to stop play. He was fouled again after a tussle and then the ref blew the whistle, before handing the first fouler a yellow.

I no go mind make Martial and Pogba get that kind agidi
I may be amongst those wishing Martial be given more chances, but I know for a fact that Martial is a mental midget. He acts lackadaisical on the pitch. He plays without determination. Just because he has the talents doesn't mean every opposition will get scared when he's with the ball.

He doesn't grab the few chances he's given to impress the coach. Against Brighton, even though Rashford had a torrid time, he's the only amongst the trio of Mata, Martial and him, who was pushing hard and trying to cause the defenders problems. His work ethic is why Mourinho values him above Martial. Martial is just a bag of skills without a zeal and in football, your talent is not just good enough.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by kelvinze(m): 3:31pm On May 06, 2018
Mourinho better start playing Bailly at d back oo. we need De gea to win d golden glove to boost his confidence and a reward for saving us sm points dis season. This smalling/lindelof or smalling/Rojo partnership better stop here (at least for d 2 remaining matches)
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 3:31pm On May 06, 2018
stylochime:
people blame Mou for our players attitude but is it really is fault? Yes he partly to blame for team selection and tactics but the main issue here is that very little of our players have the right mix of ability and drive. Smalling is reliable but very technically limited, young and valencia same have the same problem. Pogba is fucking talented but sometimes plays like he was forced on the pitch. Herrera is driven but technically limited. Lingard is also driven but technically limited. Lukaku is driven but technically inconsistent. Rashford is hardworking bt sometimes he behave like a senseless idiot. Martial is talented but likes everything to be in his favour for him to thrive. The only players that display passion despite thier talents are possibly only De Gea Bailly nd Sanches.

I love Martial but i hate the fact that he can‘t be aggressive. For me the only blame i put on Jose is the fact that he isn‘t ruthless enough. Not just about coming tothe press room and talking. I need him to weild the axe on those players who are not good enough and kicked them out. Infact even those who are good enough but don‘t show enough desire and disciplined should be kicked out. Our match against Brithon was terrible and it had nothing to do wit tactics or setup. Our player were behaving like drunk men on the pitch.
I don't blame Mourinho for Martial's lackadaisical displays. Martial acts like he's god and doesn't deserve stress. Too lazy off the ball. I blame Mourinho for Pogba's laziness because everybody knew Pogba is just a show-off with talents, yet Mourinho bought him and plays him to help shield our defence, something Pogba sucks at. I blame Mourinho totally.

As for smalling, why haven't sold him off if he knows he's not defensively strong? The Lindeolf he bought turned out to be below average.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 3:32pm On May 06, 2018
sinizia:
I may be amongst those wishing Martial be given more chances, but I know for a fact that Martial is a mental midget. He acts lackadaisical on the pitch. He plays without determination. Just because he has the talents doesn't mean every opposition will get scared when he's with the ball.

He doesn't grab the few chances he's given to impress the coach. Against Brighton, even though Rashford had a torrid time, he's the only amongst the trio of Mata, Martial and him, who was pushing hard and trying to cause the defenders problems. His work ethic is why Mourinho values him above Martial. Martial is just a bag of skills without a zeal and in football, your talent is not just good enough.
I'm kinda getting fed up of Martial too. It's apparent he ain't giving 100% on the Pitch, hence - at this Point - I wouldn't mind adding few Bucks to him for a swap Deal to get Dybala.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 3:37pm On May 06, 2018
Oasis007:
I'm kinda getting fed up of Martial too. It's apparent he ain't giving 100% on the Pitch, hence - at this Point - I wouldn't mind adding few Bucks to him for a swap Deal to get Dybala.
Martial feeds off the press that praises his skills and act like Mourinho has to play him all the time because he's talented. Talent alone can't help him cut it at the top. He needs to be serious and be consistent. I'll definitely choose Rashford on that wing over him a million times. I hate lazy players with passion. KDB is not just great because he's talented. KDB is great because he's talented, consistent and very hard working. Pogba and Martial have the first trait of KDB but lacks the latter two and that's why they can't move to the next level.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 3:37pm On May 06, 2018
eph12:
I don't really agree that the team is defensive. The players are just cautious or don't know how to construct good attacking moves. Attacks break down before they even start, not because they're defensive or the opponents are good, but because most times they play like they don't understand themselves or where their players are supposed to be when they're with the ball. Some hold the ball for too long allowing opponents to regroup. That's not defensive to me.
Being defensive or conservative was not really the point I was making. The players font seem to have the mind that every or most touch of the ball can lead to attack, there is no sense of urgency to kill off a game and the main reason with that attitude is because there is an instruction from the coach to either not lose or hold possession at all cost. That in itself will make players not be adventurous and would make them stay in their comfort zone to receive the ball.

It automatically makes everyone become boring (conservative/defensive) by default.

Imagine season ticket holders who go to OT every week to watch our matches shouting ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!!!!

Its annoying and its because of the instructions from the coach. Has Mourinho not heard of "attack being the best form of defence" grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 3:42pm On May 06, 2018
sinizia:
Martial feeds off the press that praises his skills and act like Mourinho has to play him all the time because he's talented. Talent alone can't help him cut it at the top. He needs to be serious and be consistent. I'll definitely choose Rashford on that wing over him a million times. I hate lazy players with passion. KDB is not just great because he's talented. KDB is great because he's talented, consistent and very hard working. Pogba and Martial have the first trait of KDB but lacks the latter two and that's why they can't move to the next level.
Truth be told, except we wanna Fool ourselves, Martial is damn lazy. He's talented, but talent alone ain't gonna make him a world class Player.

Is he talented than Adama Traore?! He needs to forget the Hype and start firing in all Cylinders. His Work-rate must be worked on and improved.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 3:44pm On May 06, 2018
City should have added 20 to the 18 so it's clear that they meant 2018. If person no know e go think say na 18 EPL trophies
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:45pm On May 06, 2018
sinizia:
I may be amongst those wishing Martial be given more chances, but I know for a fact that Martial is a mental midget. He acts lackadaisical on the pitch. He plays without determination. Just because he has the talents doesn't mean every opposition will get scared when he's with the ball.

He doesn't grab the few chances he's given to impress the coach. Against Brighton, even though Rashford had a torrid time, he's the only amongst the trio of Mata, Martial and him, who was pushing hard and trying to cause the defenders problems. His work ethic is why Mourinho values him above Martial. Martial is just a bag of skills without a zeal and in football, your talent is not just good enough.
Do you know how many chances Sterling gets in a season? If Mourinho was the coach of Sterling, Do you think with his numerous misses he will be anywhere close to the first team? Vs Man Utd alone, he missed like three 1vs1. Thats Sterling without defensive responsibility.

Do you know how many chances Sane got? Last season many people were even laughing at him I think someone around this section was even laughing at how Guardiola hoped to win in EPl with this German Wright-Phillips
Below is an example of the comments about Leroy Sane last season. How did you think he turned into the best young player in the league

"How many of Pep's new signings have impressed as we speak? Shey na that bleached version of Shawn-Wright-Philips from that una useless league be baller?"
But you want Martial who is way more talented to be tracking Brighton players.

Last Friday I saw Martial in Man Utds box making tackles, (One was almost a penalty sef) and 1 game didnt go well, Mourinho quickly came out" Una eye don clear, see the players you wanted me to play" When you lost to Brom, Sevilla Huddersfield and co, why didnt he say the same about Lukaku and Alexis. When Lukaku was ghosting for 2months straight, was this Mourinho not using everything in his power to defend him

This bear a very striking semblance to the same situation KDB faced, where Mourinho claimed he wasnt working hard enough and KDB challenged him to throw an open training session for the fans to see. We know how that ended
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