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codedguy1:
Being defensive or conservative was not really the point I was making. The players font seem to have the mind that every or most touch of the ball can lead to attack, there is no sense of urgency to kill off a game and the main reason with that attitude is because there is an instruction from the coach to either not lose or hold possession at all cost. That in itself will make players not be adventurous and would make them stay in their comfort zone to receive the ball.

It automatically makes everyone become boring (conservative/defensive) by default.

Imagine season ticket holders who go to OT every week to watch our matches shouting ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!!!!

Its annoying and its because of the instructions from the coach. Has Mourinho not heard of "attack being the best form of defence"

They are too cautious and that's bad. Sometimes i think they want to attack but they dont know how to

@stylochime and sinizia

These players aren't just trying. It's the job of the coach to make each position competitive and make his players understand that they have to perform. That's how you keep your players in top form.

Of course this plan of action will be ineffective if these players see their lazier teammates getting play time every week.

Oasis007:
Truth be told, except we wanna Fool ourselves, Martial is damn lazy. He's talented, but talent alone ain't gonna make him a world class Player.
Is he talented than Adama Traore?! He needs to forget the Hype and start firing in all Cylinders. His Work-rate must be worked on and improved.

Rememeber the last time Mourinho tagged a player lazy?
KEVIN DE BRUYNE wanted training at Chelsea made public — to prove Jose Mourinho wrong.

Mourinho accused KDB, 25, of being a lazy trainer when he managed the star at Stamford Bridge.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3100795/kevin-de-bruyne-jose-mourinho-chelsea-manchester-city-united/

He dropped the lazy trainer for the hardworking Oscar

Today the lazy player is one of the best players in Europe and the hardworking one is in China

eph12:
They are too cautious and that's bad. Sometimes i think they want to attack but they dont know how to

That's the point am making! Over time it seems they have lost the impetus to continually and consistently believe that they can attack any team to win and its because they have been consistently fed that possession is key.

Imagine a coach telling his players that if you have possession opposition can't hurt you but does not emphasise attacking with that possession. Its a good excuse for lazy players to just sit and pass the ball in other not to lose possession. The first thing on the players mind is not to lose possession instead of starting an attack.

raumdeuter:
Rememeber the last time Mourinho tagged a player lazy?
KEVIN DE BRUYNE wanted training at Chelsea made public — to prove Jose Mourinho wrong.

Mourinho accused KDB, 25, of being a lazy trainer when he managed the star at Stamford Bridge.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3100795/kevin-de-bruyne-jose-mourinho-chelsea-manchester-city-united/

He dropped the lazy trainer for the hardworking Oscar

Today the lazy player is one of the best players in Europe and the hardworking one is in China

Bruh...... we ain't talking about Mou tagging Martial a lazy Player, rather what we are seeing of him on the Pitch.

The Lad is generally accepted as a Load of Talents, but he needs to up his Games, especially his Work-rate to become a world-class Player.

See as they dey do like they haven't seen EPL trophy before. Small teams sha

eph12:
City should have added 20 to the 18 so it's clear that they meant 2018. If person no know e go think say na 18 EPL trophies

Na inferiority complex. They want to do like Utd.

Oasis007:
Bruh...... we ain't talking about Mou tagging Martial a lazy Player, rather what we are seeing of him on the Pitch.
The Lad is generally accepted as a Load of Talents, but he needs to up his Games, especially his Work-rate to become a world-class Player.

The formation played and the instruction played will make it look like a player is lazy or now. If you ask a player to be in Man Utd box and also run to be in the opponent box at the same time, It doesnt get the best out of attacking players, and one it tires the players out and makes them less efficient. Look at City when defending Sane and Sterling are hardly in the box rather they are waiting close to the half way line to get released for a quick counter

Look at all your players which one is tearing it up? Your best player is the one that gets the minimal tactical input from Mourinho DDG

Go to the search bar and type any Man Utd player + lazy and you will see what you will see. Even among the Mourinho favourite e.g Lukaku
An example is below. These are fans too, who watched the games like you

krispysleek:
I am seriously getting pissed by Mourinho tactics. Why not allow man utd attack? Dis lukaku sef is just only gud at tappping in goals. He can't even hold up play. So lazy, no ball control. Infact man utd needs a harry Kane. Thank GOD we won. Bt d match was so boring.

lukaku ain't a 1 match wonder Bro, He's surrounded by lazy attackers apart from Rashford and martial, Once dab lord comes bk...he would find his scoring instinct once again

mazimee:
Lukaku is so lazy as f**k

Freiden:
£75M Lukaku has ZERO first touch. He can't f*ck*** control the ball....he has zero work rate....too lazy a player!

GGMU!

codedguy1:
Being defensive or conservative was not really the point I was making. The players font seem to have the mind that every or most touch of the ball can lead to attack, there is no sense of urgency to kill off a game and the main reason with that attitude is because there is an instruction from the coach to either not lose or hold possession at all cost. That in itself will make players not be adventurous and would make them stay in their comfort zone to receive the ball.

It automatically makes everyone become boring (conservative/defensive) by default.

Imagine season ticket holders who go to OT every week to watch our matches shouting ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!!!!

Its annoying and its because of the instructions from the coach. Has Mourinho not heard of "attack being the best form of defence"

It also doesn't help that Mourinho has been living in a hotel since he signed for United. He might have his reasons but it doesn't speak well about his commitment and might rub off the wrong way with his players.

eph12:
See as they dey do like they haven't seen EPL trophy before. Small teams sha

Soo salty

raumdeuter:
Soo salty

You sef see am bah? Pep was even disgusted

Leyqute:
Na inferiority complex. They want to do like Utd.

They can't be like us. Not in the next century

raumdeuter:
Do you know how many chances Sterling gets in a season? If Mourinho was the coach of Sterling, Do you think with his numerous misses he will be anywhere close to the first team? Vs Man Utd alone, he missed like three 1vs1. Thats Sterling without defensive responsibility.

Do you know how many chances Sane got? Last season many people were even laughing at him I think someone around this section was even laughing at how Guardiola hoped to win in EPl with this German Wright-Phillips
Below is an example of the comments about Leroy Sane last season. How did you think he turned into the best young player in the league



But you want Martial who is way more talented to be tracking Brighton players.

Last Friday I saw Martial in Man Utds box making tackles, (One was almost a penalty sef) and 1 game didnt go well, Mourinho quickly came out" Una eye don clear, see the players you wanted me to play" When you lost to Brom, Sevilla Huddersfield and co, why didnt he say the same about Lukaku and Alexis. When Lukaku was ghosting for 2months straight, was this Mourinho not using everything in his power to defend him

This bear a very striking semblance to the same situation KDB faced, where Mourinho claimed he wasnt working hard enough and KDB challenged him to throw an open training session for the fans to see. We know how that ended

I typed the post below offline and was about posting it to Oasis007 when I came online now before I saw your post. They both bear an uncanny resemblance.

On the flip side, I think Mourinho should be apportioned some parts of this blame game when it comes to Martial. I think Mourinho has to be blamed partially for Martial not being productive enough. Look at Sterling at City. Has Sterling ever been this productive? But under Pep Sterling has been producing goals and assists in double figures. You can't deny that Pep has pushed Sterling to up his game.

Even Salah sef. We know he's talented, but he's having his best season under Klopp. Klopp deserves some credit for it because he's provided the right players and the perfect tactics to get the best out of Salah. Loserfool's front 3 is blessed with pacy players, who are intelligent as well and can read moves of each other as well as make intelligent moves for Salah to feed them. Firmino is not like your typical battling bull of a striker. He's an intelligent 9 that can spot Salah’s moves and combine with him to an electrifying effect.

So, I think Mourinho can make Martial up his game in a right set-up and with the right tactics.

Leyqute:
@stylochime and sinizia

These players aren't just trying. It's the job of the coach to make each position competitive and make his players understand that they have to perform. That's how you keep your players in top form.

Of course this plan of action will be ineffective if these players see their lazier teammates getting play time every week.

You're right. Mourinho is the coach, he's to find a way to improve these players. The talents are there, but no harnessing of it.

Raumdeuter, I don't blame Mourinho for always defending Ukaku. Tell yourself the truth, even when Ukaku was off form, his work rate was still the best. That's what Ukaku has over many of our lazy players. Ukaku might be suffering loss in form but he'll always work his ass off to help the team win. Same can't be said for Martial and Pogba.

sinizia:
Ramdeuter, I don't blame Mourinho for always defending Ukaku. Tell yourself the truth, even when Ukaku was off form, his work rate was still the best. That's what Ukaku has over many of our lazy players. Ukaku might be suffering loss in form but he'll always work his ass off to help the team win. Same can't be said for Martial and Pogba.

But I quoted many posted who also called Lukaku lazy.

The truth is Lukaku is a physical player, So he will definitely work harder to cover his technical deficiency, Martial is a technical player. Check other attackers like him, How many have to fall back into their own box and still be expected to be upfront in 2 seconds

raumdeuter:
But I quoted many posted who also called Lukaku lazy.

The truth is Lukaku is a physical player, So he will definitely work harder to cover his technical deficiency, Martial is a technical player. Check other attackers like him, How many have to fall back into their own box and still be expected to be upfront in 2 seconds

It's not just about tracking back to defend, Martial loiters around the pitch even in opposition's half like he's Prince Charles and the players are to worship him.

sinizia:
It's not just about tracking back to defend, Martial loiters around the pitch even in opposition's half like he's Prince Charles and the players are to worship him.

And whn he loses the ball, he makes little or no attempt to get it back. This will be okay if he scores evry game and provides an assist in two. That way others can cover up for him and we'll know he's here to score goals only.

But this isn't so. We have the least mobile team in the top 6. We've covered less km collectively and played the least exciting football. Sometimes it feels as if we field 11 Memphis Depays every matchday.

Something definitely had gone wrong somewhere. We didn't start out this lazily.

It's clear that Mourinho won't last at Man Utd. He is waiting for the next opportunity, nonsense!

I don't know what targets the board have set for him, he must win the league next season, I really don't care. If he likes, he should sell Martial, Rashford, Pogba, etc and buy mercenary players like Sanchez and Matic. I really don't care, he must win the league next season, then fuvking disappear.

No big deal, if you loose against the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Man city, but loosing against Westbrom, Huddersfield, Newcastle, Brighton, Sevilla in a season is unacceptable!

Unlimited22:
Is Modric a Box-to-box midfielder?
Oga hensben.

Yes he is.

raumdeuter:
But I quoted many posted who also called Lukaku lazy.

The truth is Lukaku is a physical player, So he will definitely work harder to cover his technical deficiency, Martial is a technical player. Check other attackers like him, How many have to fall back into their own box and still be expected to be upfront in 2 seconds

Did u watch Greizmann vs Arsenal in the UEL? No i don‘t even need to go far just look at Alexis.

Leroy Sane with whom we compare Martial is even very mobile and hardworking- he never stop running, never stops trying.

Am not asking that Martial be world class now. I just hate the fact that he doesn‘t push. I don‘t really care about Paul because i know he can‘t change he will always be a luxury player and so he needs constant motion around him to shine. Martials situation annoys me because i see him as natural heir to Ribery in terms of being a live wire for his team- contatntly prodding the opposition and trying to make things happen no matter what. But the aggression isn‘t there. He need to forget about if the situation is favourable or not. Keep moving, keep running keep trying. As long as he is on that pitch he should never quit trying until he is off. To me thats the only way he can reach the next level.

stylochime:
Did u watch Greizmann vs Arsenal in the UEL? No i don‘t even need to go far just look at Alexis.

Leroy Sane with whom we compare Martial is even very mobile and hardworking- he never stop running, never stops trying.

Am not asking that Martial be world class now. I just hate the fact that he doesn‘t push. I don‘t really care about Paul because i know he can‘t change he will always be a luxury player and so he needs constant motion around him to shine. Martials situation annoys me because i see him as natural heir to Ribery in terms of being a live wire for his team- contatntly prodding the opposition and trying to make things happen no matter what. But the aggression isn‘t there. He need to forget about if the situation is favourable or not. Keep moving, keep running keep trying. As long as he is on that pitch he should never quit trying until he is off. To me thats the only way he can reach the next level.

Why is it that its always players under Mourinho that are accused of being lazy? I gave you the challenge on this section search for any Man Utd player that has not been called lazy

It was the same way players like KDB were tagged lazy in Chelsea

Unlimited22:
Is Modric a Box-to-box midfielder?
Oga hensben.

So you don’t know modric is not a standby kind of midfielder huh..He moves from defense to attack, kroose is the standby controller in madrid’s Midfield.

Lana1:
Thank you. Maybe if u had offered ur professional opinion to the Chelsea board, they wont ve bought Bakayoko...

Be matured for once

Leyqute:
@stylochime and sinizia

These players aren't just trying. It's the job of the coach to make each position competitive and make his players understand that they have to perform. That's how you keep your players in top form.

Of course this plan of action will be ineffective if these players see their lazier teammates getting play time every week.

The problem is Mou tactics, his cautious approach to game.

raumdeuter:
Why is it that its always players under Mourinho that are accused of being lazy? I gave you the challenge on this section search for any Man Utd player that has not been called lazy

It was the same way players like KDB were tagged lazy in Chelsea

Bros i put it to you that the way this team plays is the opposite of a typical Jose team. Jose is known for employing warriors on the pitch. From his porto days, to the to his second chelsea stint. Jose typically parks the bus againt big teams but against small teams his teams run riot. We have forgotten that a teenage Robben shone under this manager. Mezut Ozil shone under Mou.
The number 1 requirement of Jose from his players is aggression. its how he has achieved all he has today. And this is also Fergie‘s way. Under SAF every player was a warrior- a fighter. A 23 yr CR7 won the ballon d‘or playing on the right side of a midfield in 442- he worked his ass off.
Martial‘s problem didn‘t start under Mou. In his first season his former academy coach made a statement saying he wasn‘t surpised at Martial because the boy had a thick skin and went about his business without caring much. At that time it sounded like a good thing because LVG was building the team around him- playin the ball to feet and no off the ball movement (which is precisely why we won big matches back then but could barely register a shot at goal when laying against small teams). Now under a coach who can help him reach world class levels u see his attitude starting to hinder him.
His game is lacking in so many ways and its obvious to everyone. He never imposes himself in the game, off the ball movement seriously lacking. Just imagine Martial with HALF of lingard‘s movement and passion.

Leyqute:
And whn he loses the ball, he makes little or no attempt to get it back. This will be okay if he scores evry game and provides an assist in two. That way others can cover up for him and we'll know he's here to score goals only.

But this isn't so. We have the least mobile team in the top 6. We've covered less km collectively and played the least exciting football. Sometimes it feels as if we field 11 Memphis Depays every matchday.

Something definitely had gone wrong somewhere. We didn't start out this lazily.

Memphis depay is now a standard insult in the eyes of scummyterus how time flies ...

stylochime:
Bros i put it to you that the way this team plays is the opposite of a typical Jose team. Jose is known for employing warriors on the pitch. From his porto days, to the to his second chelsea stint. Jose typically parks the bus againt big teams but against small teams his teams run riot. We have forgotten that a teenage Robben shone under this manager. Mezut Ozil shone under Mou.
The number 1 requirement of Jose from his players is aggression. its how he has achieved all he has today. And this is also Fergie‘s way. Under SAF every player was a warrior- a fighter. A 23 yr CR7 won the ballon d‘or playing on the right side of a midfield in 442- he worked his ass off.
Martial‘s problem didn‘t start under Mou. In his first season his former academy coach made a statement saying he wasn‘t surpised at Martial because the boy had a thick skin and went about his business without caring much. At that time it sounded like a good thing because LVG was building the team around him- playin the ball to feet and no off the ball movement (which is precisely why we won big matches back then but could barely register a shot at goal when laying against small teams). Now under a coach who can help him reach world class levels u see his attitude starting to hinder him.
His game is lacking in so many ways and its obvious to everyone. He never imposes himself in the game, off the ball movement seriously lacking. Just imagine Martial with HALF of lingard‘s movement and passion.

You can put it to me or take it from me when you cannot point to any of your attacking players that is having a stellar season then you can not exonerrate the coach and his tactics

Alexis was signed the same time with Aubameyang, How many goals has this Alexis scored

raumdeuter:
You can put it to me or take it from me when you cannot point to any of your attacking players that is having a stellar season then you can not exonerrate the coach and his tactics

Alexis was signed the same time with Aubameyang, How many goals has this Alexis scored

For real? You are going to compare Sanchez to Auba?

stylochime:
For real? You are going to compare Sanchez to Auba?

What is the difference? Sanchez has actually played in the league longer and does not need to acclamatize, Both are of the same age and Both play on the left side if the attack most times

raumdeuter:
Do you know how many chances Sterling gets in a season? If Mourinho was the coach of Sterling, Do you think with his numerous misses he will be anywhere close to the first team? Vs Man Utd alone, he missed like three 1vs1. Thats Sterling without defensive responsibility.

Do you know how many chances Sane got? Last season many people were even laughing at him I think someone around this section was even laughing at how Guardiola hoped to win in EPl with this German Wright-Phillips
Below is an example of the comments about Leroy Sane last season. How did you think he turned into the best young player in the league



But you want Martial who is way more talented to be tracking Brighton players.

Last Friday I saw Martial in Man Utds box making tackles, (One was almost a penalty sef) and 1 game didnt go well, Mourinho quickly came out" Una eye don clear, see the players you wanted me to play" When you lost to Brom, Sevilla Huddersfield and co, why didnt he say the same about Lukaku and Alexis. When Lukaku was ghosting for 2months straight, was this Mourinho not using everything in his power to defend him

This bear a very striking semblance to the same situation KDB faced, where Mourinho claimed he wasnt working hard enough and KDB challenged him to throw an open training session for the fans to see. We know how that ended

Well said...