mapet:


You need statistics? Bros why are you just displaying ignorance-on-steroids? Is it any brainer? The more reason why Emzor should provide the documentation (their internal records) that NAFDAC requested for.

Shouldn't that documentation be requested, investigated and actions taken? Why shut down the entire company that will get opened after some bribes change hands.

Is codene the only thing Emzor manufactures? Is it only Emzor that does manufacture codene? How many legitimate pharmaceutical companies are in Nigeria? When you shut down emzor, who fills the gap for legitimate drug needs? The fakes?

Why not revoke the license for manufacture of codene from Emzor?

the only thing u kind know how to do is argue blindly without rational thinking.


I guess you're not old enough to argue without derogative words so I rest my case with you.. Take your aggressions elsewhere

rusher14:


But the youtube video i attached to one of my response here showed boys in Lagos who abuse codeine.

Is this down to religion as well?

See below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG9QfEA1yfg

You know what I'm saying but you will choose to deflect d discussion.
Northerners abuse drugs 10 times more than other parts of Nigeria, for exactly d reason I gave.
I've seen Marijuana being sampled on tables and sold openly in a market in the state capital and that was in the heat of the state of emergency in the state.If you know anybody in Damaturu,Yobe state,crosscheck this fact from d person.
Its d same ppl that made d gum used by bicycle repairers a controlled substance now.

new2012:


You had to switch to insult me.

Like I said earlier you have a problem, your mental matter is maggot eaten.

We are discussing and next thing is insult? How old are you?

You shut down emzor for codene, is it only codene they manufacture? Is NAFDAC dead all these while or just because of the press that they're now forced to do their job?

Dude, you have mental issues, if in a normal discussion you had to resort to insults.

Grow up

tHAT GUY IS HIGH ON CODENE

Ban or no Ban,I still believe the drugs is still being sold in the north and other parts of the country,banning will still not stop the production or sales of the drugs.

new2012:


Shouldn't that documentation be requested, investigated and actions taken? Why shut down the entire company that will get opened after some bribes change hands.

Is codene the only thing Emzor manufactures? Is it only Emzor that does manufacture codene? How many legitimate pharmaceutical companies are in Nigeria? When you shut down emzor, who fills the gap for legitimate drug needs? The fakes?

Why not revoke the license for manufacture of codene from Emzor?

the only thing u kind know how to do is argue blindly without rational thinking.


I guess you're not old enough to argue without derogative words so I rest my case with you.. Take your aggressions elsewhere

The DG of NAFDAC, Prof Mojisola Adeyeye announced the development in a statement.

“Due to insufficient evidence gathered and apparent resistance to provide needed documents during our inspection on May 2, 2018 at the respective companies in Ilorin and Lagos, respectively, it has become necessary to shut down all product lines of the three companies – Peace Standard Pharmaceutical Limited. Plots 3 & 8, Adewole Industrial Estate, Lubcon Avenue, Ilorin, Kwara State; Bioraj Pharmaceutical Limited. No 405 Kaima Road, Ilorin, Kwara State and Emzor Pharmaceuticals Ind. Ltd., Ajao Estate, Lagos.

I can now confirm that it is actually codine working or your fear that your daily ration of Emzor's codine that will be denied that is worrying you.

rusher14:


There is nothing to understand.

We do not have a cough epidemic.

Should these manufacturers have witnessed a disproportionate increase in demand they should have cried out even if it was strictly for cough.

Anywhere else in the developed world and they might have their licences revoked.

Enough with your 3rd world reasoning.

Why struggle to reason with people who won't reason. The sales rep of Emzor was even quoted as saying he'll deliver the drugs straight from the oven. What does that mean? The investigators claimed they even got delivery of carton's of the product directly from the manufacturers. One other was quoted as advising the investigators to get a licensed Pharmacy to buy the drugs on their behalf and they will deliver what ever quantity they need. That means there is a regulation for the sales/supplies of these drugs and this particular manufacturer is trying to cover their tracks. So definitely they have a responsibility in the control/abuse of these drugs and they deliberately did otherwise for higher returns.

Some people just like to reason in one direction. Some support evil when they are beneficiaries. Perhaps he is loosing from the crackdown. If their hands are clean why are they uncooperative with the enforcement agencies?

new2012:


Shouldn't that documentation be requested, investigated and actions taken? Why shut down the entire company that will get opened after some bribes change hands.

Is codene the only thing Emzor manufactures? Is it only Emzor that does manufacture codene? How many legitimate pharmaceutical companies are in Nigeria? When you shut down emzor, who fills the gap for legitimate drug needs? The fakes?

Why not revoke the license for manufacture of codene from Emzor?

the only thing u kind know how to do is argue blindly without rational thinking.


I guess you're not old enough to argue without derogative words so I rest my case with you.. Take your aggressions elsewhere

Documentation is key to aid investigation into this issue, the problem with this whole case is that the salesman complicated EMZOR's position through his comments on the video, if not that video EMZOR would have being able to scale through this problem .

On a final note if the investigation is carried out and finally concluded , I just hope one of the punitive measures or sanctions would be just yo withdraw their licence for the production of codeine and after fulfilling all righteousness the licence can be restored with close monitoring of their activity in that regard , that being said shutting them down would create a gap in the supply chain of other life saving drugs they produce.

Just my own opinion and expert judgement

new2012:
Reta.rd.ed government agency.


It took a news outlet to even draw their attention to their job.

Emzor have done no wrong you reta.rded NafDac, codene is a legitimate drug and now abused.. I learnt those drug Abusers sniff excreta in soak always, NAFDAC should go and seal off all bricklayers... Confused lots!

Even the fast food joints, the KFC, TFC and other smaller outlets are germs and diseases distributing outlets, but I'm sure NAFDAC will never never find out.


If they did their job, the country won't even be here in the first place.. Go to their office and meet their staff that sells accreditation, sieze and resell drugs and food supplements.. Bunch of thieves!

I can swear and even bet my scrotum that you take codeine.

tommyken:

I can swear and even bet my scrotum that you take codeine.

You've got scrotum? Thought transsexual cut them off?

Flaghouse1:


Documentation is key to aid investigation into this issue, the problem with this whole case is that the salesman complicated EMZOR's position through his comments on the video, if not that video EMZOR would have being able to scale through this problem .

On a final note if the investigation is carried out and finally concluded , I just hope one of the punitive measures or sanctions would be just yo withdraw their licence for the production of codeine and after fulfilling all righteousness the licence can be restored with close monitoring of their activity in that regard , that being said shutting them down would create a gap in the supply chain of other life saving drugs they produce.

Just my own opinion and expert judgement

Exactly the point..
Equally if NAFDAC were alive, they don't need the press to push them.

Bishopsgate:


Which freaking investigation are you talking about?
What is yet to be discovered or unearthed?

1. There is a codeine abuse epidemic especially in the North.

2. People buy them off the shelf without any form of restriction or prescription.

3. We need to ensure that pharmacies are adequately regulated to ensure that only those that truly need it get it.

4. To do 3 above, laws need to be put on place to guide the manufacturers on distribution modalities to ensure it gets to the pharmacies only who will only dispense on receipt of a valid prescription.

Closing and employer of labour in a country like ours that is grossly suffering from unemployment and under manufacturing is just self destructive.

If human life is really important to the government, Why hasn't the ministry of agriculture banned cow herding and grazing in Nigeria due to the thousands of people that have died as a result of the long archaic method of meat production and the wahala it creates with farmers and replace it with ranching?

So it's the factories that can be closed so easily via fiat abi?

Freaking investigation? Okay. The matter on ground has to do with the ministry of health, I don't know how herding comes in. If these companies have nothing to hide, they should have cooperated maximally. BTW, you just shifted goal post, your previous premise was a tribal one which I negated. If Emzor is guilty as supposed, they should face the music, Nigerians don't care if the owner if from the moon.

rusher14:


Both parties have a responsibility.

The drug manufacturers cannot hide behind ignorance when a drug that is hardly ever used up completely by a responsible household is now taken by the cartons.

Indeed they both do. Just curious to how you have not equally come down hard on the 'toothless' drug regulatory agency all day long. Couldn't help but note the lingering bias in all thy submissions since morning. Emzor is a business that went astray, and deserves punitive actions, but NAFDAC is a sentry that vacated/abdicated her observatory post and equally qualifies for serious indictment. Did you hear of such nonsense in the time of Akunyili (Bless her soul/memory)??!

gabrielniy:


Freaking investigation? Okay. The matter on ground has to do with the ministry of health, I don't know how herding comes in. If these companies have nothing to hide, they should have cooperated maximally. BTW, you just shifted goal post, your previous premise was a tribal one which I negated. If Emzor is guilty as supposed, they should face the music, Nigerians don't care if the owner if from the moon.

Am taking the fifth on all this, but I suggest you go back and read his submission again. He made very valid points. NAFDAC is 'over-killing' this situation plainly in order to draw attention away from their glaring failings and incompetence. They could easily have placed an embargo on them from further production of codeine, trying to save face, and curry favour from Nigerians by shutting down one of the oldest, well-respected pharmaceutical outfits is one of the worst and stupid attempts at damage control I have ever seen.

mapet:



I can now confirm that it is actually codine working or your fear that your daily ration of Emzor's codine that will be denied that is worrying you.

That escalated quickly..


I know you are human, no matter how hard u try to prove you're a robot. I won't indulge in such gutter language with you.

Have a nice day!

That is the job of regulatory agency not the manufacturers. They are not responsible for the increase in demand. We are in a capitalist society for goodness sake, our aim is to make as much money as possible. We have regulatory agencies and our taxes go to these bodies because we recognise that capitalism has its ugly sides. Companies are not the government to make rules and regulations on what people should not buy. They are in the market to make money. At most, they advise the government. We should be blaming NAFDAC. Cleary, it has been sleeping all along. Everyone knows of codeine epidemic for some years now. Our senators complained about it and did not do anything to curb its abuse. NAFDAC is just playing to the gallery. NAFDAC is responsible for this epidemic. It didn't do its job, it should stop stifling these companies joor.

onegig:


Kindly ignore that guy. They always bury their heads in the mud and always expect government to do everything.

You can't blame him. Most are educated illiterates who just know how to read and write. Like the company does not know there's a major increase in the consumption of the drugs and just kept churning out drugs they knew was a control substance?

new2012:


Dude, unfortunately for you, you're not interested in understanding someone else's point of view.

They produced drugs and sell towards saving lives, someone abuses a legitimate drug, what's should the company do? Is it the company that will enforce selling drugs only based on prescriptions?


You mentally shut down your mind to other opinions. Do you realize that codene is for legitimate purposes? Are you aware it's not exclusively emzor? The only reason Emzor is in this is because some investigative reporter caught one of their sales person.


Who should enforce some sort of prescription for drugs pharmacy? Who should measure the country in identifying drug abuse? Should the pharmaceutical companies figure out if the masses are abusing any certain drug?


I'll give u an analogy, Nigerians seldom pour acid on people for whatever reason, should the government ban acids or close down the manufacturers? You can still get acid to buy if you know where...


So sometimes read and listen to understand not to provide response..

Thank you soo much. Someone wake up one morning to ban legal item and the next day closed companies involves as if there was a time such good were illegal sold out there in the market. Nonsense. Make them go ban beer and cigarette or close down the companies because some people choose to abuse them. our laws and leaders are so empty.

gabrielniy:


Freaking investigation? Okay. The matter on ground has to do with the ministry of health, I don't know how herding comes in. If these companies have nothing to hide, they should have cooperated maximally. BTW, you just shifted goal post, your previous premise was a tribal one which I negated. If Emzor is guilty as supposed, they should face the music, Nigerians don't care if the owner if from the moon.

Bros I am not from the east. I a from Edo. My wife is Ijebuode, my best friend is from ebonyi and I schooled in Niger state with most of my friends from there.

The statement on herdsmen was not out of ethnicity. It was to compare the way both incidences that affect human health and life, and also means of livelihood/ employment have been handled.

Closing down factories because of one drug and one official is wrong and non productive. Same matter with herding. They provide all our beef and also employment so it won't make sense banning it too, but we can clean it up by ranching.

That is all I am saying. Clean up the process for distribution and retailing but don't close the factories

Angelfrost:


Am taking the fifth on all this, but I suggest you go back and read his submission again. He made very valid points. NAFDAC is 'over-killing' this situation plainly in order to draw attention away from their glaring failings and incompetence. They could easily have placed an embargo on them from further production of codeine, trying to save face, and curry favour from Nigerians by shutting down one of the oldest, well-respected pharmaceutical outfits is one of the worst and stupid attempts at damage control I have ever seen.

Ok

NAFDAC as an agency should be the one to be sealed up as they failed in their oversight function

Hmm, comments like this shock me. We do have a fundamental mental problem in that country. I have had to log-in just to respond to this one comment. What has the sealing of the sites got to do with 'a woman' or an 'Easterner? For people like you on here defending Emzor e.t.c, first of all, I work in the pharmaceutical industry in UK. I work for a contract manufacturer for GSK, Pfizer Norvatis e.t.c so that should clear the air on my background. One of the fundamentals of GMP (Good Manufacturing Practice) is supply chain control. I would want to believe you watched the full documentary of about ~45mins and not the shortened version of ~6mins. And in your own assessment and self-conviction, that 'a customer' can literally walk into a firm and order cartons of a supposedly controversial substance and walk away is OK? That your Business Development Manager (or whatever that Emzor guy's portfolio was) can literally take products from the warehouse to sell privately is ok? Products that were manufactured with company resources? That only exposes the leakages in this companies supply chain structure.
They cant keep tabs on their products or account for the numbers manufactured or where it leaves the factory to. And YES, it is a serious problem that warrants revoking of licence.

Do you know over here, the supply chain is so controlled that it is possible to perform a class 1 recall i.e it is possible to recall drugs that are later discovered to be life-threatening from store shelves worldwide within 24hrs? Every manufacturer KNOWS who they sell to, hence, the possibility to perform such recalls.

carpmam:
I don't know y they are ganging up against emzor,they nafdac gave them the license to produce codeine,they gave them the specific quantity to be produced daily,why are they now sealing the company, have it been established that they produce more of the drug,or is it just because the owner of the company is from the east,or maybe because she is a woman

Because it's all about you, we place you first in all that we do. Assisting you towards full rehabilitation and optimum functionality.

mapet:


You need statistics? Bros why are you just displaying ignorance-on-steroids? Is it any brainer? The more reason why Emzor should provide the documentation (their internal records) that NAFDAC requested for.

At the end of the day NAFDAC backed off. After you defended without clues, backed and said crap to defend ur paymasters.

Sometimes look back and see how the dots connect

new2012:


At the end of the day NAFDAC backed off. After you defended without clues, backed and said crap to defend ur paymasters.

Sometimes look back and see how the dots connect

NAFDAC backed off? Go and sit down. You're intellectually bereft of sound reasoning and very petty. You reason like a sluggish kid.

Is it that you live in denial or you're just plain daft?

mapet:


NAFDAC backed off? Go and sit down. You're intellectually bereft of sound reasoning and very petty. You reason like a sluggish kid.

Is it that you live in denial or you're just plain daft?

Bro, were you abused as a child? Why is it that all ypj do is insult people?

new2012:


Bro, were you abused as a child? Why is it that all ypj do is insult people?

Stop judging me by the standards of your situation. If you fell and hit your head on the floor as a baby that is making berefit of basic reasoning how is that my concern. Secondly I insult people that cannot reason.....no wonder you feel the heat

mapet:


Stop judging me by the standards of your situation. If you fell and hit your head on the floor as a baby that is making berefit of basic reasoning how is that my concern. Secondly I insult people that cannot reason.....no wonder you feel the heat

Another insult? I ain't feeling no heat, just pitying your condition...

All you do is spew insults, that's a disorder bro.

Calm down, relax, life ain't that hard