emmanuelex1:
I know doctors know all yet our president ran away to be treated by UK doctor. Honestly Nigerian doctors are basic olodos, visit outside the country for treatment you will understand how wack you are.

You still don't know jack. E pain you. Pharmacist wanting to claim physician. You are still not the same with a physician. Want to lie about developed countries when you don't even know how it is done.

Hairyrapunzel:

I am not arguing drug preparation with you don't ever say you are the same with medical doctors who don't perform surgeries.
Can you grade murmurs? Do you even know the uses of a stethoscope? The answer is no. Don't compare yourself to a physician.
That's how you guys will lie and say you are medical doctors when you don't know what patient management is.
Everything in medicine isn't all about drugs.
What's paining you? That I said you are not a medical doctor? Are you one before? See someone that says he is sensible doesn't even know his job description.

Can you make diagnosis? No
Can you confirm and certify a person dead? No
Can you carry out a treatment plan on a patient? No

Doing these ones don't involve doing surgeries. You can't even do them and yet you say you are the same with medical doctors who don't perform surgeries.

Preparing drug is not equivalent to managing a Patient o

U don't have any ideal of what happens in a community pharmacy

Babybush:

U don't have any ideal of what happens in a community pharmacy

Community pharmacy isn't management of a Patient or making diagnosis.
Pharm D is still not the same as being a medical doctor who doesn't perform surgeries.
Go to developed countries and ask how they do things.
You want to sell your drugs and make money that's why you practice the wrong thing in Nigeria.
In saner climes a community pharmacist will not dispense drugs if patient doesn't have a doctors prescription apart from OTC's . In some countries a pharm D can "review prescription ".

You as a pharmacist can only intervene when the patient has been diagnosed and put on a prescription by a doctor.
Nigerian pharmacists just want to make money that's why you guys say you are medical doctors and prescribe drugs when no diagnosis is made. You guys contribute to the large number of deaths in this country.
By the time Patient gets to the hospital it's already too late to intervene.

Hairyrapunzel:

Community pharmacy isn't management of a Patient or making diagnosis.
Pharm D is still not the same as being a medical doctor who doesn't perform surgeries.
Go to developed countries and ask how they do things.
You want to sell your drugs and make money that's why you practice the wrong thing in Nigeria.
In saner climes a community pharmacist will not dispense drugs if patient doesn't have a doctors prescription apart from OTC's . In some countries a pharm D can "review prescription ".

You as a pharmacist can only intervene when the patient has been diagnosed and put on a prescription by a doctor.
Nigerian pharmacists just want to make money that's why you guys say you are medical doctors and prescribe drugs when no diagnosis is made. You guys contribute to the large number of deaths in this country.
By the time Patient gets to the hospital it's already too late to intervene.

So Pharmacists also contributes to all the surgical equipments uv been forgetting inside the patients body after each surgery

Hairyrapunzel:

I am not arguing drug preparation with you don't ever say you are the same with medical doctors who don't perform surgeries.
Can you grade murmurs? Do you even know the uses of a stethoscope? The answer is no. Don't compare yourself to a physician.
That's how you guys will lie and say you are medical doctors when you don't know what patient management is.
Everything in medicine isn't all about drugs.
What's paining you? That I said you are not a medical doctor? Are you one before? See someone that says he is sensible doesn't even know his job description.

Can you make diagnosis? No
Can you confirm and certify a person dead? No
Can you carry out a treatment plan on a patient? No

Doing these ones don't involve doing surgeries. You can't even do them and yet you say you are the same with medical doctors who don't perform surgeries.

Preparing drug is not equivalent to managing a Patient o

Where in my post did i state that I'm a medical doctor?? Point it out or forever remain silent.

I don't know the use of a stethoscope yet I used it during my physiology practicals and wrote exams on it and passed. Just imagine the kind of argument you lots make, yet you claim you are smart!

What we are saying is simply that you should not think that you are more important in the hospital setting than other healthcare professionals because just like you relate with the patient through diagnosis or surgery, so does a pharmacist relates with the patient through drugs and a nurse relates with the patient through nursing and the list goes on, and at the end of the day the patient becomes the ultimate beneficiary of the team work.
It is rather the insecure Nigerian medical doctors that try to usurp other professionals roles.

I have been a silent follower on this most of the comments have read on this thread just force me out of the silent mode.

People shouting doctors, doctors, please even as a citizen I fear Nigerian doctors. And someone will come and say we should not talk about their misconduct here.

I have encountered so much in their hands and whenever I have relatives visiting the hospital I do make sure I find every opportunity for them to see someone I know his or her competency has no doubt.

most of Nigerian doctors belongs to killers association.

3 years ago, my grandma had fever and I suggested they should took her to the hospital. UITH.. ok,,to cut the story short,after all assessment and physical examination , she had a BP of 140/90. Antihypertensive was prescribed, as a student Nurse I told my mum she should hold on the drug that how come Dr just made a diagnosis of hypertension on first visit despite no pointer from her history.

I sacrifice to took the reading twice a day alternating it for a week.

the constant BP was 120/80. we didn't follow d Dr prescription. I just treated her for malaria. what made me to do so? I do pity some Pt on d ward cos some eventually die as a result of drug side effects and we are shouting Doctors as if they know all...

Ok to my ordeal as a patient.
anytime I have clinic during antenatal I make sure I took my folder to a well-known Doc or I just forget about clinic for the day.
During my delivery I was unfortunate in their hands again. A pad was stucked deep inside me just because the Dr wanted to suture me then, he forget to remove it and despite the pain and all the complained I was making then, he didn't take it serious. I had to call the doc even after discharge cos I wasn't feeling well. Not until I pleaded to someone to a colleague to come and check me at home and we discovered the pad wasn't removed. this was after 8 days. And yet you are here ranting Nurses can not work independently.


Another one did a bad suturing for me after my second child. I was in pain for more than 10 days. with analgesics and antibiotics. Not until I called a Aunt also a doc to help me check whay went wrong. She had to loose all the sutures, and I felt relieved. i asked what the problem was and she just asked me who did it in the first place. And I was told it wasn't done properly.

To come to think of it. I know my right as a Nurse. And this people are committing the blunders on me. But I just let it go because I can't and I don't want to be the one behind anyone's failure in life.

this Doc are not houseofficers, they are reg.

So those of you saying that Nursea cannot work without your order, it is a big fat lie. Have worked in privates and it is Nurses that does majority of the work. except surgery.

Nurses will even prescribed and all the docs will do is to document it in their report..

Also, in the teaching hospital where I was trained, I appreciate the Nurses their cos they savea the life of most patient in the surgical wards by implementing new ways and intervention in wound healing without the Doc knowing cos of they knows, let their blunders strike on patient and it is their Nurse enemy they will blame..

I as a person never applied for Medicine. Nursing is my calling. And am proud to be irrespective of the working condition.



So

dammiecool:

And d doctor also produced d drugs abi[size=8pt][/size]

Hey you stop exposing ur ignorance,in real hospitsl setting there are Drs that their area of specialisation is clinical pharmacology of which they can equally do the work of a pharmacist and even betterself,its just that they are not well recognised.

Doctors are d problems occurring in the health sector, a reasonable government would have take d bull by the horn and restructure d health sector. Health sector will he in disarray as long as they are made d minister and cmds. Health sector needs a professional health administrator

kowalsky:



Are all of you mad or there's snake dancing in your head.

Read that write up very well. NMA agreed to Johesu pay increase the major bone of contention is Johesu's systemic orchestration of a power usurping mechanism.

They want to be on the same level in terms of power and authority in the hospital. Imagine a nurse being a consultant. Consultant in what the hell I may ask. They feel it's a political appointment without realizing that consultants earn that rank by going through a strenuous stretch of training and exams. More demanding than medical school itself.

Nurses and the rest of the rejects (yes they're rejects, 99% of them wanted medicine and couldn't get it because their father's were poor or because they lacked the intellect) want to sit in their offices, bang doctors, grow fat and then become consultants.

What nonsense! No where in the world does this kind of fuckery comes up. If the federal government dares to cave in to their requests. Expect a lot of people to die cause no way will a doctor be in the same hospital where a nurse is CMD. It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world and Nigeria will not be the first.

Nonsense!

My brother help me tell them

JOHESU is already a failure!

Yes, I agree they make up 95% population of health sector but one inteligent head is better than 9 dumb heads. Imagine their chairman was very proud to say "we want to show the FG that we make up 95% of health sector".

JOHESU war will just end up as Biafra agitations and will lead to choas among its members when they come back with unmet demands.

If these demands are obtainable in the top 20 countries with best standards of medical practise I wouldn't be arguing here. Check the CMD and HODs in Hodgkin hospital.

We are short of doctors . Else JOHESU could know that the health care can operate functionally without them. The only people that could survive the revolution are pharmacists as doctors are not licensed to operate a pharmacy. Physiotherapy is a heck in Nigeria. Even Registered nurses indulge in physiotherapy.Doctors can chart TPR,dress wounds, prepare patients for surgery,autoclave instruments and all those stuffs. Recruit as many residents in pathology as possible then medlab sci. could know they are not indispensable. Recruit as many residents in radiology as possible. Only then could JOHESU know that doctors are all round. Doctors don't just want to take their work.


Doctors are just worried about nothing. Increase of salary will even be to doctors' favour. Only then could the relativity makes much sense. Imagine if a medlab sci. earns 200k and a doc earns 300k then FG decides to increase it by 20%. Automatically med lab sci. could earn 240K while a doc earns 360k. you see the relativity shifts from 100k to 120k. So doctors should even support Johesu but on grounds that any increment will be to both parties.

The aspect that is totally unobtainable is the issue of consultancy. It will only amount to heirachical rivalry in superiority of decision to patients' management.

If the public health sector breaks down. Doctors and Pharmacists will survive in the private sector but it will be harsh for other allied field.
A pharmacist will survive in his/her pharceutical shop/company but the bitterness in the sector will result in bizzare laison between docs and other allied fields.
Ofcourse doctors will boom in their private clinics. If they want to use only pathologists in their medical laboratories the medlab sci. will only go jobless. Ofcourse Docs can replace nurses if only they are willing to stoop low and work. Radiologists can fill up the Radiology dept. Physiotherapists may still be needed but can still be replaced afterall physiotherapy is a heck in Nigeria. If docs chose not refer their patients to private laboratory and then make that of private clinics cheap. The health scientist will suffer abjectly in Nigeria.

JOHESU is not an issue. They will come back divided especially when their demands are unmet.


I have never seen a policeman as chief of defence staff. The position automatically belongs to the Army.
I wonder why paramedics chew more than they can bite.

shullamite:
At least its clear where the problem in the health sector is coming from now. The doctors don't want other staff to enjoy a little increament of salary even after government has increased their slararies more than Three times in in four years. This is just a case of wickedness and man's inhumanity to man. The doctors are not the employer of labour but they are telling government what to do. It's a case of eating alone and wanting other people to die of hunger even though there is excess food to serve everybody. Let the world see how wicked the doctors are in Nigeria.

Where is the excess food
How many doctors
How many jobesu

Let me tell you the truth early this year the government of Canada increased doctors salary but the doctors refused the increament and told the government to use the money to pay other health workers and improve the facilities in the hospitals for patients to enjoy. But in Nigeria the case is opposite.

is this Canada

SuperS1Panther:
Govt should just close down all public hospitals.

The unnecessary rivalry between the different professionals in the health sector is unhealthy and insane.

rivalry is what brings innovating

obi4eze:

I'm telling you. I've never seen any group of people as selfish, greedy and envious as Nigerian doctors.

i thought it was politicians,no policemen,no nepa officilas

AbuadStudent:
Nowhere in the world is it done, that doctors are paid the same as other health care workers. This johesu are asking for impossible demands.

this is not nowhere
It is Nigeria

ubergold:
This is very similar to what is going on in higher institutions. Non academic staffs feel they should have equal pay and benefits forgetting that both of them get their qualifications through different level of work. I find it funny that NMA had to release this memo for the employer (Govt) to be aware. Their request for relativity is common sense. A doctor goes through many rigors to be able to practice, just like a lecturer has to Keep upgrading himself and publish papers in order to keep his job so they can't be on the same level with other medical personnel

why not
Who send Dem message
Nobody cares about your work
Its your output that matters
Less see how the doctors will work without johesu staff supportung them

dechriscool:
The gang up against doctors is not only by allied health workers but also by some Nigerians. I did a post about how JOHESU members beat up Doctors at NAUTH just to registered their graviances against doctors in course o f this their strike .That post didn't see the day light.

However,the disparity in salary structure between doctors and JOHESU members can't be overemphasized.Read the statement of facts below to guard on the activities in the hospital

THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

ehn make d dictor go collect file by hisself,ptescribe and
Administer drug
Shebi na him be Lord and savior

hydeka:


Objectively counteract ignorance?

Which one should I even counteract?
Is it where he said pharmacists can't use stethoscope? Smh...I guess he doesn't know pharmacists monitor BP

Or that they don't know treatment plan for diabetes? What is difficult in that? Obviously he said that because he doesn't know that there are diabetes consultant pharmacists who run pharmacist-endocrinologist clinics for diabetics in those climes

And so what ? ,if there are diabetic pharmacist specialist,U see ur judgement alone depicts the fact that just because there's a particular field were a pharmacist is more knowledgeable abt Antidiabetics such as oral hypogylcemics and incretin mimetics etc has made u conclude that what is even there in being a medical dr self,
Well Diabetes is a multisystemic disease that its not only by knowing the drugs,effect and potency and given drugs d@ proves d fact that u have mastered the art oo,there is more that beats the eye.criosly there's a wide knowledge gap.
In short u havent even made a genuine point that i can comprehend and understand.

Lagos State approves Pharmacist consultancy cadre

TempoJames:
JOHESU is already a failure!

Yes, I agree they make up 95% population of health sector but one inteligent head is better than 9 dumb heads. Imagine their chairman was very proud to say "we want to show the FG that we make up 95% of health sector".

JOHESU war will just end up as Biafra agitations and will lead to choas among its members when they come back with unmet demands.

If these demands are obtainable in the top 20 countries with best standards of medical practise I wouldn't be arguing here. Check the CMD and HODs in Hodgkin hospital.

We are short of doctors . Else JOHESU could know that the health care can operate functionally without them. The only people that could survive the revolution are pharmacists as doctors are not licensed to operate a pharmacy. Physiotherapy is a heck in Nigeria. Even Registered nurses indulge in physiotherapy.Doctors can chart TPR,dress wounds, prepare patients for surgery,autoclave instruments and all those stuffs. Recruit as many residents in pathology as possible then medlab sci. could know they are not indispensable. Recruit as many residents in radiology as possible. Only then could JOHESU know that doctors are all round. Doctors don't just want to take their work.


Doctors are just worried about nothing. Increase of salary will even be to doctors' favour. Only then could the relativity makes much sense. Imagine if a medlab sci. earns 200k and a doc earns 300k then FG decides to increase it by 20%. Automatically med lab sci. could earn 240K while a doc earns 360k. you see the relativity shifts from 100k to 120k. So doctors should even support Johesu but on grounds that any increment will be to both parties.

The aspect that is totally unobtainable is the issue of consultancy. It will only amount to heirachical rivalry in superiority of decision to patients' management.

If the public health sector breaks down. Doctors and Pharmacists will survive in the private sector but it will be harsh for other allied field.
A pharmacist will survive in his/her pharceutical shop/company but the bitterness in the sector will result in bizzare laison between docs and other allied fields.
Ofcourse doctors will boom in their private clinics. If they want to use only pathologists in their medical laboratories the medlab sci. will only go jobless. Ofcourse Docs can replace nurses if only they are willing to stoop low and work. Radiologists can fill up the Radiology dept. Physiotherapists may still be needed but can still be replaced afterall physiotherapy is a heck in Nigeria. If docs chose not refer their patients to private laboratory and then make that of private clinics cheap. The health scientist will suffer abjectly in Nigeria.

JOHESU is not an issue. They will come back divided especially when their demands are unmet.


I have never seen a policeman as chief of defence staff. The position automatically belongs to the Army.
I wonder why paramedics chew more than they can bite.

u are just ill informed. those med drs dt own private hospitals, hv u seen any employ a pathologist to run its lab? why don't dey employ their colleagues to do d work of nurses in their hospitals? if they cant do that in their private hospitals, why claim such can be applied in govt hospitals? isn't dt akin to being mischievous? secondly , in line wit best practices, consultancy in oda health professions outside medicine is encouraged and countries where this is obtainable have a very functional health system and there isnt disharmony amongst their health workers. gets urself informed and stop misinforming d public out of ignorance

As a seasoned public servant, my heart bleeds whenever I read what you young ones with no experience come to social media to post. I am not a member of JOHESU but look at this objectively, a fresh medical officer enters the public service at grade level (GL)12 while pharmacist and lab sci enter on GL 10, nurse on GL 8....how can these salaries be the same? doctor's call duty allowance is 4% of his basic salary while pharmacist's call duty is 2% of his basic salary...now how can 4% of GL 12 be same with 2% of GL 10? Nurses collect shift duty allowance, how can a meagre shift duty allowance of GL 8 be the same with 4% of GL 12?
A medical officer who enters on GL 12 as resident and becomes a fellow after 4 or 6yrs is upgraded to GL 15 ..it takes a pharmacist minimum of 12 yrs to get to GL 15 and nurse minimum of 18 yrs to get to GL 15. NMA is really not helping the Nigerian health sector.

yassinattah:

Hey you stop exposing ur ignorance,in real hospitsl setting there are Drs that their area of specialisation is clinical pharmacology of which they can equally do the work of a pharmacist and even betterself,its just that they are not well recognised.

Am sure this guy is a comedian that can't differentiate between Pharmacology and Pharmaceutics & Pharmaceutical Technology. We can why things are getting worse

Franklyly:
NMA threatens to embark on Strike if FG yields to the demands of other striking health workers under JOHESU.

@lalasticlala

As a seasoned public servant, my heart bleeds whenever I read what you young ones with no experience come to social media to post. I am not a member of JOHESU but look at this objectively, a fresh medical officer enters the public service at grade level (GL)12 while pharmacist and lab sci enter on GL 10, nurse on GL 8....how can these salaries be the same? doctor's call duty allowance is 4% of his basic salary while pharmacist's call duty is 2% of his basic salary...now how can 4% of GL 12 be same with 2% of GL 10? Nurses collect shift duty allowance, how can a meagre shift duty allowance of GL 8 be the same with 4% of GL 12?
A medical officer who enters on GL 12 as resident and becomes a fellow after 4 or 6yrs is upgraded to GL 15 ..it takes a pharmacist minimum of 12 yrs to get to GL 15 and nurse minimum of 18 yrs to get to GL 15. NMA is really not helping the Nigerian health sector.

yassinattah:

And so what ? ,if there are diabetic pharmacist specialist,U see ur judgement alone depicts the fact that just because there's a particular field were a pharmacist is more knowledgeable abt Antidiabetics such as oral hypogylcemics and incretin mimetics etc has made u conclude that what is even there in being a medical dr self,
Well Diabetes is a multisystemic disease that its not only by knowing the drugs,effect and potency and given drugs d@ proves d fact that u have mastered the art oo,there is more that beats the eye.criosly there's a wide knowledge gap.
In short u havent even made a genuine point that i can comprehend and understand.

Because you just can't understand it!
Go and enlighten yourself

hydeka:


Pharmacy student? Smh...

I have been in the profession for a few years now and I know the situation.
What you are talking about was obtainable in the past but not anymore. And Nigerians are becoming more aware that they can get more out of their pharmacist than they previously realised especially the enlightened ones.

And for the record, I chose to study Pharmacy and I don't regret it one bit. So much diversity unlike doctors who are stuck in the hospital. Every passing day, I thank God that I am a pharmacist.

Don't mind the yeye doctors that don't know that paracetamol and panadol are the same drug. Those ignorant and half baked doctors saying Nigerian Pharmacists are just dispensers will almost poo on their pants and start kicking against it with the help of their CMAC any time the issue of Pharmacist Ward Rounds comes up. They don't want the Pharmacist to open up their illiteracy. If only the Nigerian hospital Pharmacist can start documenting all the medication\precription errors from the hands of these half baked doctors, they will actually see the number of morbidity and mortality they are causing. God save us in this country. Amen.

MY RESPONSE TO THE ENEMY OF JOHESU
1. What is the meaning of the word `medical´ when it is used to refer to a group of profesional?
2. Are Physicians (they are being called ``doctors´´ which is an honorary title. Only PhD holder is fit to be called a `doctor´) not Health Workers?
3. Who do they refer to as ``non-medical professionals´´? Nurses, Pharmacists, Medical Laboratory Scientists or Physiotherapists?
4. Who is fit to head health sector? Physicians have been heading health sector but it is still a shame that Nigeria Health Care Delivery is ranked one of the lowest.
5. Who should determine the wages or salary? Government or Physicians?
6. What profesional courses are needed to be qualified as a ``medical profesional´ that Nurses, Medical Lab Scientists, Physiotherapists and Pharmacists have not ben exposed to during their undergraduate and post-graduate programs?
7. Can any health professional work in isolation? If No, how should each be paid? Based on input/output or grandiose salary scale?
Physicians are not the head of other professional workers. We are all equal contributors to the health care delivery. To think otherwise is a Delusion of Grandiosis.

WE ARE YET TO GET IT RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY AS CITIZENS. PUBLIC SHOULD BE WELL INFORMED THAT PHYSICIANS ARE NOT THE HEAD OF ANY OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL (Nurses, Medical Lab Scientists, Physiotherapists and Pharmacists,Radiographers). Their position is purely ARROGATORY.

Nigeria I hail una😊
optm:
is it only nursing nd hospital portals dt mk up johesu? besides u hv no idea on d rigors dey go tru in bcoming one as u do nt hv a first hand experience in d training demands in these professions u term a walk over

Okay tell me, which of these roles/professions that make up JOHESU are as rigorous as Medicine & Surgery? Go on, I'm waiting.

optm:
it didnt tk oda professionals years and their training wasn't capital intensive? hw ignorant can one b nd yet spew trash in confidence

Abeg list the professions that make up JOHESU that are as rigorous as Medicine and Surgery. SIMPLE.

yassinattah:

Hey you stop exposing ur ignorance,in real hospitsl setting there are Drs that their area of specialisation is clinical pharmacology of which they can equally do the work of a pharmacist and even betterself,its just that they are not well recognised.

You are the one exposing your ignorance! Have you no shame

What does a clinical pharmacologist know about drug production Tufiaaa!!! Nigerian medical doctors are the most ignorant and insecure people i have ever seen!

I would not educate you on the difference between pharmacology and pharmacy so that you will continue to expose your ignorance for the whole world to see.

ocelot2006:


Okay tell me, which of these roles/professions that make up JOHESU are as rigorous as Medicine & Surgery? Go on, I'm waiting.

one's position on which is more rigorous wld nt hold water until he/she hs gone tru d trainings in al d professions nd only den would such submission as to which is more rigorous b justified.

Topshow2010:
MY RESPONSE TO THE ENEMY OF JOHESU
1. What is the meaning of the word `medical´ when it is used to refer to a group of profesional?
2. Are Physicians (they are being called ``doctors´´ which is an honorary title. Only PhD holder is fit to be called a `doctor´) not Health Workers?
3. Who do they refer to as ``non-medical professionals´´? Nurses, Pharmacists, Medical Laboratory Scientists or Physiotherapists?
4. Who is fit to head health sector? Physicians have been heading health sector but it is still a shame that Nigeria Health Care Delivery is ranked one of the lowest.
5. Who should determine the wages or salary? Government or Physicians?
6. What profesional courses are needed to be qualified as a ``medical profesional´ that Nurses, Medical Lab Scientists, Physiotherapists and Pharmacists have not ben exposed to during their undergraduate and post-graduate programs?
7. Can any health professional work in isolation? If No, how should each be paid? Based on input/output or grandiose salary scale?
Physicians are not the head of other professional workers. We are all equal contributors to the health care delivery. To think otherwise is a Delusion of Grandiosis.

WE ARE YET TO GET IT RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY AS CITIZENS. PUBLIC SHOULD BE WELL INFORMED THAT PHYSICIANS ARE NOT THE HEAD OF ANY OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL (Nurses, Medical Lab Scientists, Physiotherapists and Pharmacists,Radiographers). Their position is purely ARROGATORY.

I can sense hatred and vile contempt from your comments. I feel so bad when so called "educated peope" display their foolery and gross ignorance on social platforms. Just to exonerate your egocentric opinions you went ahead to disgracing yourself by alluding physicians are not fit to hold the title 'Doctors". I know your type; You were not intelligent enough to get medicine, hence, your blatant loathe for the profession.
You even went as far in a bid to vindicate your assertions by making a rather myopic and deluded statement that the decadence in the health is as a result as Doctors being the heads of health care institutions as if there's any sector that is working properly in the country.
Medical Doctors will always be the leaders in the health sectors, albeit the art of healing is multifaceted.
Doctors should never sabotage the efforts of others toward career progression but I'm vehemently against parity in remunerations and other benefits; it's ridiculous, preposterous and grossly unacceptable anywhere in the world.

Jman06:
Where in my post did i state that I'm a medical doctor?? Point it out or forever remain silent.

I don't know the use of a stethoscope yet I used it during my physiology practicals and wrote exams on it and passed. Just imagine the kind of argument you lots make, yet you claim you are smart!

What we are saying is simply that you should not think that you are more important in the hospital setting than other healthcare professionals because just like you relate with the patient through diagnosis or surgery, so does a pharmacist relates with the patient through drugs and a nurse relates with the patient through nursing and the list goes on, and at the end of the day the patient becomes the ultimate beneficiary of the team work.
It is rather the insecure Nigerian medical doctors that try to usurp other professionals roles.

Still doesn't change the fact that you don't know the uses of a stethoscope.
What is paining you now is because I said pharma D holders are not equivalent to medical doctors who don't perform surgeries lol.
Is it by writing exam on stethoscope? Use it na
Open your big mouth and be propagating falsehood. You guys contribute to the high mortality rate we have in this country . Do the right thing for once. Always lying to people that pharm D holders do the same thing doctors who don't do surgeries do. Liar.

Ordinary Murmur you can't even grade and you say you can do what a physician can do. Mtcheww