₦airaland Forum

worlexy:
Congratulations. Keep treating your johesu consultants in your private practice. What percentage of patients even need physiotherapy service in the first place? in your mind now watching surgeries is the same as being able to perform surgeries or being taught pathology, biochemistry and other Basic medical sciences courses is equivalent to being a doctor. I left out physiotherapist and Record Officers in my initial comment on purpose cos of obvious reasons, so that you want feel useless and get depressed so pls let's leave it that way.

I dnt claim to be a Medical Doctor cos am not even though my degree is suppose to be Doctor of Physiotherapy(DPT) as it is in develop countries, where a physiotherapist cant practise without DPT but you people are so scared of us that u go as low opposing the bill in National Assembly....The patient I treated this morning has 2 Consultants as children 1 practising in Canada the oda is in UBTH married to another Doctor, and I have more than enough private patients to see and I still Consult in private hospitals own by your Consultants. Just be Enlighten and stop disgracing yoursef on public forum with your Ignorance and arrogance

worlexy:
it's obvious you didn't read my comment, you only rushed to make your own comment. Why will a doctor do your work when he won't be paid extra for doing your work. Let there be a law to that effect that when a doctor does the work of striking health workers, he will be paid additional bonus for it and you will see wonders

Exactly!!!

If I'm gonna be paid extra for shooting radiographs, dispensing drugs, running tests with automated machines, writing lab reports, turning patients, making beds, checking vitals. . . . I'll do it.
Easy money tbh.

If not, I won't not because I can't do it but because it's not in my job description.

I'd like to see one of them perform a laminectomy since apparently, doctors don't know much.

worlexy:
it's obvious you didn't read my comment, you only rushed to make your own comment. Why will a doctor do your work when he won't be paid extra for doing your work. Let there be a law to that effect that when a doctor does the work of striking health workers, he will be paid additional bonus for it and you will see wonders

Oh... now you agree with Nigerians that the hospitals are not working against the 'Johesu is irrelevant' falsehoods and propaganda that you physicians have promoted here since the strike action started?

I even think the JOHESU leadership are not as vibrant as they should be. Much more vibrant, cerebral and younger professionals like you climbing up the ladder very fast and when we reach the decision-making echelon of JOHESU I doubt the negative anti-JOHESU forces will be able to cope.

Johesu have suffered terribly as nigerians remained in the dark about the goings-on in the health sector for decades. Now light has come and there is no where to go but up.

Yonce:
As a pharm D holder you DO NOT KNOW OR DO EVERYTHING a doctor knows or does. And you probably never will.

And a doctor knows everything about drugs like a pharmacist. The only thing doctors are not bothered with during Medical School is "How these drugs are manufactured in factories."

As early as year 4 medical students are required to pass a mandatory course on Pharmacology. They learn about EVERYTHING pertaining drugs. Including proper dosage, drug interactions, pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, side effects, adverse effects.
Mind you they learn all these alongside other demanding fields like Microbiology, Histopathology etc.
This is as early as year 4. . . They basically learn over half of what it took you 6 years to study in less than 1 year.

I'm not trying to take anything away from your profession but don't undermine others to uplift yourself.

This is the reason we ve sooo much deaths these days. The probability of ppl dying in the hospital is increasing daily cuz of this ur mentality. Wat doctors knw is basics. Just like every other Person in d health field did basic anatomy, physiology, pathology, pathophysiology,biochemistry etc. Don't tell me ur dat dumb. Nd I say it again, aside surgery I can do everything a doctor does. I can diagnose, treat, manage a patient from my pharmacy. If it requires test, I sent d patient to the Lab. Ur senior colleagues ve seen Whr it is going b4 they started frustrating us, bt they lost b4 it even began

worlexy:
I just laugh when JOHESU spread the lies that Doctors can't work without them, that is the greatest lie from the pit of hell. A doctor was trained to be able to do all the works paramedics(JOHESU) does, it's JOHESU that can't do most of what a doctor can do. Now let's not confuse "can" with "won't". The fact that a doctor can work and make the hospital to work at 100% capacity doesn't mean he will do it, if you want doctors to make the hospital work at 100% anytime johesu is on strike, all the FG needs to do is to say for that particular Hospital, all the doctors will be paid for their normal doctor works and will also be paid the for the JOHESU work they will do while the strike lasts(if JOHESU salary in that hospital is N5m, just tell the doctors that since johesu are not working, that 5m will be shared on the doctors salaries while the strike lasts, then you will see that the doctors will do all the works) They won't do it with this present set up because it doesn't make sense to do someone else's work and the person that hasn't worked will still get paid for doing nothing and the person that has done extra work won't get anything extra.
Also when the doctors start doing all the work, majority of those that will come and benefit from that service are still the striking johesu members because like they say everytime that they make up 95% of the hospital workforce.
Now let's analyse the work johesu do in the hospital

1. Pharmacists
The pharmacist in our hospitals only read what a doctor prescribes and dispense the drugs, no more no less.
Pharmacists that work in pharmaceutical companies(they are not under johesu because they don't work in the hospital) are the ones that produce drugs and some medical consumables.

2. Nurses
They give injections, and other medications to patients, do vital signs some of them take deliveries.

Doctors can do all that

3. Lab scientists and technicians
They run tests on blood, urine and other samples sent to them by doctors

There are doctors in the Lab that can also run all the tests but johesu would have locked up the lab so that doctors don't have access to the lab

4. Radiographers
They shoot X-ray, CT scan, MRI and doctors in the radiology dept are the ones that report the film the radiographers shoot.

Doctors can shoot too


So have you seen why they always lock up everywhere when they go on strike?

Now in order to frustrate the doctors more, they include these sets of people in their gang up association called Johesu: The cleaners/sweepers in the hospital, the man that operates the generators, the admin staff. You know why? So that if the doctors do the work of the core hospital staff johesu, if there's power failure the generator man will be no where to be found cos he will claim he is also johesu and he's on strike, the admin staff that should normally prepare salaries and have no business in patient's care will also not prepare the salary of the doctors that are working. So you see? a gateman, generator man, admin staff and the rest all want pay parity with the doctors, and you want the FG to take Johesu serious

Spectacular summary!!!
You captured it all exactly!

sainty2k3:
Quackery !!!

It is not as long he does within the ambit of his profession. Physiotherapists are one of the 4 health professionals recognized as those who are licensed to 'treat' by the World health organization. The word 'therapy' in their name means 'treatment'. Take a back seat 'malaria dokita'.

olutop:
I dnt claim to be a Medical Doctor cos am not even though my degree is suppose to be Doctor of Physiotherapy(DPT) as it is in develop countries, where a physiotherapist cant practise without DPT but you people are so scared of us that u go as low opposing the bill in National Assembly....The patient I treated this morning has 2 Consultants as children 1 practising in Canada the oda is in UBTH married to another Doctor, and I have more than enough private patients to see and I still Consult in private hospitals own by your Consultants. Just be Enlighten and stop disgracing yoursef on public forum with your Ignorance and arrogance

By treatment you mean a now stable stroke patient that you massaged and straighten his fingers and exercise his already atrophic muscles like a gym instructor would do? or the osteoarthritic patient that you massage his joints with methylsalicylate ointment or spray, or the athletes that suffered from sprain and you put ice packs on his swollen legs? Mention other meaningful and special treatment you give to the so called children of consultants

frankpro27:
This is the reason we ve sooo much deaths these days. The probability of ppl dying in the hospital is increasing daily cuz of this ur mentality. Wat doctors knw is basics. Just like every other Person in d health field did basic anatomy, physiology, pathology, pathophysiology,biochemistry etc. Don't tell me ur dat dumb. Nd I say it again, aside surgery I can do everything a doctor does. I can diagnose, treat, manage a patient from my pharmacy. If it requires test, I sent d patient to the Lab. Ur senior colleagues ve seen Whr it is going b4 they started frustrating us, bt they lost b4 it even began

@bolded
And why are you so adept at personally exposing your quackery to the public.
To diagnose, treat and manage a patient requires years of training under skilled Consultants and Professors. It's human lives and you're chosing to practice your own form of fraudulent medicine at a pharmacy? Under who's juridiction?

And by the way every other person in the health sector didn't do "Basic anatomy, physiology or biochemistry" like doctors did.
There's absolutely nothing basic about what doctors learnt. They learnt it all in details as it pertains to hospital application in patients' management.
I sat in a classroom with other members of the health sector, I'm not trying to take anything from them but I'll say it anywhere, we didn't have it as easy as they did and still do.

There's so much pressure passing through med school so seeing how you claim to be a pharm D holder and dismiss diagnosing, treating and managing patients at a pharmacy as basic things a pharmacist knows is hilarious.

Keep up the good work bro. Keep sending unsuspecting peeps to the morgue.

the problems with the health sector in nigeria is almost same as with any other sector in nigeria.And what is the pillar of this problem;"not staying in your zone of responsibilities".
when an individual refuses to stay in the zone of responsibility and specialty in this case,such person loses relevance
A doctor has his own responsibility bestowed upon by virtue of being a doctor,if he wants to stay relevant,he will not encroach into the responsibility of another.infact between specialist doctors,a cardiologist cannot make a diagnosis and decision that supersedes that of a neurologist when it comes to a neuropatient,funny enough both of them are trained to recognize such patient but one is more skilled to manage such patient and vice versa.in best international practice,both specialist doctors do not collect same salary and allowances
In the UK,US and canada,and other advanced countries.,a nurse does not do what a doctor is trained to do ,they are meant to assist the doctors and make the management of the patient easier hence they a crucial role,however a nurse cannot take the role of a medical doctors,hence the financial compensation cannot be thesame.A nurse cannot make a diagnosis for the doctor in a real hospital setting.it is only in nigeria in which a nurse may boast that what a doctor can do,he or she can do.do that in the US and u get jailed for it with your nursing licence revoked.
A pharmacist has a crucial role,but making a diagnosis and managing a patient directly has never been part of it historically.infact in the states and Uk,a pharmacist is prohibited from dispencing some certain drugs if not all except the client has a prescription or written order from a licenced doctors.it is only in nigeria that you will see a pharmacist giving bromocriptine to a young patient with only menorhagia as complaints without a full option history(its a true story,happened fews days ago).well,i am not generalising this error to all pharmacist,but he made an error by not referring to a physician(Obs and gynae precisely) he could have just stayed in his zone of responsibility.
historically,physicians are known to be moving from houses to house doing everything but there was need to improve efficiency and patient management hence the creation of the idea of a nurse and etc.all these are essential in patients managenent but provided they all stay in their zone without interfeering with laydown structure.
nobody is against career profession and advancement in any medical related profession as long as one stay in his or her area of calling
if anybody has any contradiction or different opinion,let him or her find out the roles,responsibilities and financial compensations attached to individual medical professions in the UK,US ,canada and other european countries for an unbiased realistics view.

freeDR:
It is unfortunate that an illegal gathering of purposelessly disgruntled health workers are the ones holding the entire health sector in ransom. Quite sad.
The kind of things you see in an emerging economy where the govt is the largest employer of labour.
The only practicable solution is for the government to conceed the running of all public hospitals to Public-Private Partnership arrangement.
Allow private employers of labour to determine who is important in the hospital. Let private employers also determine who earns more.
Aberrations like JOHESU are the hallmarks of a failed state. Nigeria needs a change in structure.

I told my MBBS colleague of mine some days ago that if not for people like him I would think reading MBBS in Nigeria makes one myopic and stupid that you can't even use google to get information. We are both HSE professionals. We discussed at length objectively pointing out the issues, JOHESU has its blame no doubt about that but NMA as the head of the health sector has really bastardized the health sector. From the ministers of health to commissioners of health, CMDs, MDs, boards of health institutions etc. are all doctors yet our hospitals keep deteriorating only for NMA to turn and blame JEHOSU instead of holding their colleagues (who are leaders of the sector) accountable.

Whenever I hear NMA saying 'international best practice' I wonder whether they have their own definition of the phrase. Because in developed world like UK, US, and Canada hospitals are headed by administrators who can be anybody with requisite administrative skills, the doctors and other health workers concentrate on offering clinical services as a team with mutual respect for one another. The USA surgeon general for instance, is a nurse, NMA cannot allow this happen in Nigeria yet still quote international best practices. The head of WHO is a biologist from Ethiopia.
The consultant cadre issue, according to NMA would confuse the patient, as if Nigeria or JOHESU invented it; this is obtainable in the UK, US, and Canada that are ranked among the top 10 ..so which one is NMA's international best practices?
NMA also does not allow any non-medical doctor to do MPH in Nigeria, only doctors are qualified to do it; a program that any science graduate can do even at Harvard and the likes. This is pathetic. You cannot continue to suppress and oppress someone and expect him/her not to react at some point.
It is the right of every civil servant to rise to the peak of his or her career (which is director) but NMA oppressed other health workers for many years saying that if others get to the director level, it will confuse the patient. I dont know how! JOHESU had to go to court to get judgement some few years ago.
I can go on and on and on ......
The crisis in the health sector is as a result of failure of our leaders aided by the NMA who has refused to carry the others along as the head of the team. Just recently the Canadian medical association rejected their pay increase insisting that the govt must increase that of allied health workers first. The opposite is d case in Nigeria.

Yonce:
@bolded
And why are you so adept at personally exposing your quackery to the public.
To diagnose, treat and manage a patient requires years of training under skilled Consultants and Professors. It's human lives and you're chosing to practice your own form of fraudulent medicine at a pharmacy? Under who's juridiction?

And by the way every other person in the health sector didn't do "Basic anatomy, physiology or biochemistry" like doctors did.
There's absolutely nothing basic about what doctors learnt. They learnt it all in details as it pertains to hospital application in patients' management.
I sat in a classroom with other members of the health sector, I'm not trying to take anything from them but I'll say it anywhere, we didn't have it as easy as they did and still do.

There's so much pressure passing through med school so seeing how you claim to be a pharm D holder and dismiss diagnosing, treating and managing patients at a pharmacy as basic things a pharmacist knows is hilarious.

Keep up the good work bro. Keep sending unsuspecting peeps to the morgue.

Lol. E pain am. Yes i can do it very well. My Dad is a medical doctor nd owes a hospital. I ve learnt a lot from him. Medicine is not rocket science Nd thr is nothing difficult about it. Any average dummy dat can concentrate will do well. Just like tailoring. Medicine is not as dynamic as pharmacy. The procedures u guys performs remains d same. Pharmacy is evolving by d minute. By the time we ve consultant pharmacists Nd nurses, u guys will see how irrelevant u can be.

olutop:
I dnt claim to be a Medical Doctor cos am not even though my degree is suppose to be Doctor of Physiotherapy(DPT) as it is in develop countries, where a physiotherapist cant practise without DPT but you people are so scared of us that u go as low opposing the bill in National Assembly....The patient I treated this morning has 2 Consultants as children 1 practising in Canada the oda is in UBTH married to another Doctor, and I have more than enough private patients to see and I still Consult in private hospitals own by your Consultants. Just be Enlighten and stop disgracing yoursef on public forum with your Ignorance and arrogance

Stop arguing with this people.
It's a tactics injected into them in the medical school,
They are taught to Look down at other health professions so that they will feel good about themselves.
Psychologists call it NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER (NPD)
That's why many of them are not sociable enough.
.
Ignore them .
Physiotherapy is a wonderful, growing versatile profession in Nigeria,
You guys can leave the hospital setting and stand independently and make your money.
In the sports industry, physiotherapists are hugely needed,
In fitness centers, you are there,
Rehabilitation centers, you are there,
Private home practice, you are there,
Hospital job, you are there,
Etc.
Ignore their rant.
I know of a guy that owns a private physiotherapy center here with machines.
You need to see crowd that patronizes him.
Go and explore in your noble profession

worlexy:
By treatment you mean a now stable stroke patient that you massaged and straighten his fingers and exercise his already atrophic muscles like a gym instructor would do? or the osteoarthritic patient that you massage his joints with methylsalicylate ointment or spray, or the athletes that suffered from sprain and you put ice packs on his swollen legs? Mention other meaningful and special treatment you give to the so called children of consultants

I am not in 4 ur tit for tat talk, I knt be exchanging words with an ignorant person, Nigerian Doctors have killed more patients than HIV with your arrogance, ignorance and negligence, but that wnt take away the fact that some of you are sensible and well informed.....lemme jst leave u to languish in ur Ignorance

worlexy:
I just laugh when JOHESU spread the lies that Doctors can't work without them, that is the greatest lie from the pit of hell. A doctor was trained to be able to do all the works paramedics(JOHESU) does, it's JOHESU that can't do most of what a doctor can do. Now let's not confuse "can" with "won't". The fact that a doctor can work and make the hospital to work at 100% capacity doesn't mean he will do it, if you want doctors to make the hospital work at 100% anytime johesu is on strike, all the FG needs to do is to say for that particular Hospital, all the doctors will be paid for their normal doctor works and will also be paid the for the JOHESU work they will do while the strike lasts(if JOHESU salary in that hospital is N5m, just tell the doctors that since johesu are not working, that 5m will be shared on the doctors salaries while the strike lasts, then you will see that the doctors will do all the works) They won't do it with this present set up because it doesn't make sense to do someone else's work and the person that hasn't worked will still get paid for doing nothing and the person that has done extra work won't get anything extra.
Also when the doctors start doing all the work, majority of those that will come and benefit from that service are still the striking johesu members because like they say everytime that they make up 95% of the hospital workforce.
Now let's analyse the work johesu do in the hospital

1. Pharmacists
The pharmacist in our hospitals only read what a doctor prescribes and dispense the drugs, no more no less.
Pharmacists that work in pharmaceutical companies(they are not under johesu because they don't work in the hospital) are the ones that produce drugs and some medical consumables.

2. Nurses
They give injections, and other medications to patients, do vital signs some of them take deliveries.

Doctors can do all that

3. Lab scientists and technicians
They run tests on blood, urine and other samples sent to them by doctors

There are doctors in the Lab that can also run all the tests but johesu would have locked up the lab so that doctors don't have access to the lab

4. Radiographers
They shoot X-ray, CT scan, MRI and doctors in the radiology dept are the ones that report the film the radiographers shoot.

Doctors can shoot too


So have you seen why they always lock up everywhere when they go on strike?

Now in order to frustrate the doctors more, they include these sets of people in their gang up association called Johesu: The cleaners/sweepers in the hospital, the man that operates the generators, the admin staff. You know why? So that if the doctors do the work of the core hospital staff johesu, if there's power failure the generator man will be no where to be found cos he will claim he is also johesu and he's on strike, the admin staff that should normally prepare salaries and have no business in patient's care will also not prepare the salary of the doctors that are working. So you see? a gateman, generator man, admin staff and the rest all want pay parity with the doctors, and you want the FG to take Johesu serious

When Jesus said "it is finished" while on the cross, he was actually referring to the chances of u having a sense in this life. You just ended up advertising your ignorance in a public forum

SMH

worlexy:
By treatment you mean a now stable stroke patient that you massaged and straighten chis fingers and exercise his already atrophic muscles like a, r gym instructor would do? or the osteoarthritic patient that you massage his joints with methylsalicylate ointment or spray, or the athletes that suffered from sprain and you put ice packs on his swollen legs? Mention other meaningful and special treatment you give to the so called children of consultants

3 Consultants cant do without physiotherapist in dia ward in UBTH, Geriatrics, Cadiothoracic and Rheumatology, we see patients in these wards without referral, patients cant be discharge frm dz wards without consulting us....I think new Physicians shud be enlighten abt physiotherapy.y

olutop:
I am not in 4 ur tit for tat talk, I knt be exchanging words with an ignorant person, Nigerian Doctors have killed more patients than HIV with your arrogance, ignorance and negligence, but that wnt take away the fact that some of you are sensible and well informed.....lemme jst leave u to languish in ur Ignorance

Hehehehehehehehe. Simple question I asked you of what important function and treatment you offer to patients apart from massaging their body and being there professional gym instructor, you flared up and started throwing tantrums like a baby. Answer the question first before moving to issue of HIV

worlexy:
I just laugh when JOHESU spread the lies that Doctors can't work without them, that is the greatest lie from the pit of hell. A doctor was trained to be able to do all the works paramedics(JOHESU) does, it's JOHESU that can't do most of what a doctor can do. Now let's not confuse "can" with "won't". The fact that a doctor can work and make the hospital to work at 100% capacity doesn't mean he will do it, if you want doctors to make the hospital work at 100% anytime johesu is on strike, all the FG needs to do is to say for that particular Hospital, all the doctors will be paid for their normal doctor works and will also be paid the for the JOHESU work they will do while the strike lasts(if JOHESU salary in that hospital is N5m, just tell the doctors that since johesu are not working, that 5m will be shared on the doctors salaries while the strike lasts, then you will see that the doctors will do all the works) They won't do it with this present set up because it doesn't make sense to do someone else's work and the person that hasn't worked will still get paid for doing nothing and the person that has done extra work won't get anything extra.
Also when the doctors start doing all the work, majority of those that will come and benefit from that service are still the striking johesu members because like they say everytime that they make up 95% of the hospital workforce.
Now let's analyse the work johesu do in the hospital

1. Pharmacists
The pharmacist in our hospitals only read what a doctor prescribes and dispense the drugs, no more no less.
Pharmacists that work in pharmaceutical companies(they are not under johesu because they don't work in the hospital) are the ones that produce drugs and some medical consumables.

2. Nurses
They give injections, and other medications to patients, do vital signs some of them take deliveries.

Doctors can do all that

3. Lab scientists and technicians
They run tests on blood, urine and other samples sent to them by doctors

There are doctors in the Lab that can also run all the tests but johesu would have locked up the lab so that doctors don't have access to the lab

4. Radiographers
They shoot X-ray, CT scan, MRI and doctors in the radiology dept are the ones that report the film the radiographers shoot.

Doctors can shoot too


So have you seen why they always lock up everywhere when they go on strike?

Now in order to frustrate the doctors more, they include these sets of people in their gang up association called Johesu: The cleaners/sweepers in the hospital, the man that operates the generators, the admin staff. You know why? So that if the doctors do the work of the core hospital staff johesu, if there's power failure the generator man will be no where to be found cos he will claim he is also johesu and he's on strike, the admin staff that should normally prepare salaries and have no business in patient's care will also not prepare the salary of the doctors that are working. So you see? a gateman, generator man, admin staff and the rest all want pay parity with the doctors, and you want the FG to take Johesu serious

A thousand likes

worlexy:
Hehehehehehehehe. Simple question I asked you of what important function and treatment you offer to patients apart from massaging their body and being there professional gym instructor, you flared up and started throwing tantrums like a baby. Answer the question first before moving to issue of HIV

Do you know anything about Peripheral mobilization, Maitland or Nwungarian technique, see I am not d 1 dt will lecture abt ur ignorance, ask your superiors they will tell you wat rehabilitation entails

worlexy:
Hehehehehehehehe. Simple question I asked you of what important function and treatment you offer to patients apart from massaging their body and being there professional gym instructor, you flared up and started throwing tantrums like a baby. Answer the question first before moving to issue of HIV

Do you know anything about Peripheral mobilization, Maitland or Nwungarian technique, see I am not d 1 dt will lecture abt ur ignorance, ask your superiors they will tell you wat rehabilitation entails.

frankpro27:
Lol. E pain am. Yes i can do it very well. My Dad is a medical doctor nd owes a hospital. I ve learnt a lot from him. Medicine is not rocket science Nd thr is nothing difficult about it. Any average dummy dat can concentrate will do well. Just like tailoring. Medicine is not as dynamic as pharmacy. The procedures u guys performs remains d same. Pharmacy is evolving by d minute. By the time we ve consultant pharmacists Nd nurses, u guys will see how irrelevant u can be.

I was gonna continue this back and forth but then I changed my mind. . .I can't be assed to exchange words with someone who reasons like this. But I just have to ask, and please excuse my ignorance, I really wanna learn from you since you obviously know a lot.

Can you list the functions of a CONSULTANT PHARMACIST AND a CONSULTANT NURSE.

I mean CONSULTANT PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS have to go through over 6-10 years of residency training in a teaching hospital, write exams conducted by West African College of Medicine and even beyond to be certified specialised in a particular medical field. But as you said that's easy stuff, a dummy could do it.

So what does one have to do be a CONSULTANT PHARMACIST and what's the job description?

olutop:
3 Consultants cant do without physiotherapist in dia ward in UBTH, Geriatrics, Cadiothoracic and Rheumatology, we see patients in these wards without referral, patients cant be discharge frm dz wards without consulting us....I think new Physicians shud be enlighten abt physiotherapy.y

Geriatrics with atrophic muscles, you help them massage and exercise their muscles, fine we already talked about that, gym instructors do that too,
Rheumatology, u apply methylsalicylate ointments/spray, infrared treatment, we've talked about that too, Methylsalicylate ointments are OTC drugs that anybody can get and use to massage his body,
Cardithoracic patients that doctors instruct in the ward to practice rigorous breathing exercises so as to exercise their chest muscles and muscles of respirations, are those you are saying u can discharge without doctors approval, stay there dey deceive yourself.

olutop:
Sometimes it baffles me how some people reason, do you know anything about professional ethics atall, I am a physiotherapist, I did Pharmacology in school was tut by a pharmacist and a Consultant along with medicine students, I was also tut pathology and surgery by Consultants, we even witness surgeries along with medicine student, do you know y I will neva do a Physicianz work, is because I know my professional boundary, but I still do offer doctors advice on aw they treat patient same with them cause we manage the same patient....Until Doctors have this team work spirit and they know there professional boundary, Nigeria health sector will always be trash
And mind you I treat your consultants and there relative on private practise and dey pay me huge amt of money, y knt dey do physiotherapy work
.

I was wondering too when and how can a doctor so the work of a physio.

olutop:
Do you know anything about Peripheral mobilization, Maitland or Nwungarian technique, see I am not d 1 dt will lecture abt ur ignorance, ask your superiors they will tell you wat rehabilitation entails

if you like call it any names u like, whether Greek or Hebrew, exercise na exercise whether na chest muscles or neck or leg muscles

worlexy:
Geriatrics with atrophic muscles, you help them massage and exercise their muscles, fine we already talked about that, gym instructors do that too,
Rheumatology, u apply methylsalicylate ointments/spray, infrared treatment, we've talked about that too, Methylsalicylate ointments are OTC drugs that anybody can get and use to massage his body,
Cardithoracic patients that doctors instruct in the ward to practice rigorous breathing exercises so as to exercise their chest muscles and muscles of respirations, are those you are saying u can discharge without doctors approval, stay there dey deceive yourself.

I have managed Erb's palsy and Foot drop dt is majorly caused by ur lack of profesionalism, I see dem on 1st contact and discharge dem without nobodyz approval, hail and healthy....

Amarabae:
Stop arguing with this people.
It's a tactics injected into them in the medical school,
They are taught to Look down at other health professions so that they will feel good about themselves.
Psychologists call it NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER (NPD)
That's why many of them are not sociable enough.
.
Ignore them .
Physiotherapy is a wonderful, growing versatile profession in Nigeria,
You guys can leave the hospital setting and stand independently and make your money.
In the sports industry, physiotherapists are hugely needed,
In fitness centers, you are there,
Rehabilitation centers, you are there,
Private home practice, you are there,
Hospital job, you are there,
Etc.
Ignore their rant.
I know of a guy that owns a private physiotherapy center here with machines.
You need to see crowd that patronizes him.
Go and explore in your noble profession

LMAO. . . . Is this something they tell you guys alot in school?

My mother's a nurse and everyday she keeps saying"I'm waiting for them to inject you with their madness so you'll eventually turn against me. I know it will happen soon"

worlexy:
Geriatrics with atrophic muscles, you help them massage and exercise their muscles, fine we already talked about that, gym instructors do that too,
Rheumatology, u apply methylsalicylate ointments/spray, infrared treatment, we've talked about that too, Methylsalicylate ointments are OTC drugs that anybody can get and use to massage his body,
Cardithoracic patients that doctors instruct in the ward to practice rigorous breathing exercises so as to exercise their chest muscles and muscles of respirations, are those you are saying u can discharge without doctors approval, stay there dey deceive yourself.

Another 1 is Failed back surgery syndrome that is majorly caused by Surgeons mismanagement, O manage them and discharge dm without no bodyz approval

Yonce:
I was gonna continue this back and forth but then I changed my mind. . .I can't be assed to exchange words with someone who reasons like this. But I just have to ask, and please excuse my ignorance, I really wanna learn from you since you obviously know a lot.

Can you list the functions of a CONSULTANT PHARMACIST AND a CONSULTANT NURSE.

I mean CONSULTANT PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS have to go through over 6-10 years of residency training in a teaching hospital, write exams conducted by West African College of Medicine and even beyond to be certified specialised in a particular medical field. But as you said that's easy stuff, a dummy could do it.

So what does one have to do be a CONSULTANT PHARMACIST and what's the job description?

Thr are many fields in pharmacy. A consultant pharmacist is a pharmacist who works as a consultant providing expert advice on the use of medications or on the provision of pharmacy services to medical institutions, medical practices and individual patients.

U can also check West African Postgraduate College of Pharmacists. Stop arguing in ignorance.

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Oyerinde16:
IF WHAT JOHESU IS FIGHTING FOR IS EQUITY NOT EQUALITY WHAT'S D BIG DEAL, IF IT WILL TAKE A PHARMACIST, LAB SCIENTISTS, RADIOLOGIST ETC 12 YRS TO EARN WHAT A FRESH DOCTOR START WITH, Ngige TOLD THEM ALL IS SET 4 IMPLEMENTATION BUT MIN OF HEALTH IS BLOCKING IT, Bleep D DOCS

chief baba.that one no be true o.I think that 12yrs u refer to is jus for the nurses with Diploma in govt hospitals. Pharmacist and oda guys I think earn good pay.it also take the same diploma nurse 9years before he/she can earn same salary a new lab scientist , pharmacist and radiologist u mentioned earn for a start when they get a federal govt job.I don't know about state govt workers sha.I stand to be corrected anyway

frankpro27:
This is the reason we ve sooo much deaths these days. The probability of ppl dying in the hospital is increasing daily cuz of this ur mentality. Wat doctors knw is basics. Just like every other Person in d health field did basic anatomy, physiology, pathology, pathophysiology,biochemistry etc. Don't tell me ur dat dumb. Nd I say it again, aside surgery I can do everything a doctor does. I can diagnose, treat, manage a patient from my pharmacy. If it requires test, I sent d patient to the Lab. Ur senior colleagues ve seen Whr it is going b4 they started frustrating us, bt they lost b4 it even began

Hehehe...Ignorance is bliss. Trained to diagnose? That is the biggest blunder I've read. You are doing what all apprentice chemists are doing, and instead of you to hide your head in shame, you are boasting about it on an open forum. I only blame our govt as anybody can do anything without being punished.

ozo13:
chief baba.that one no be true o.I think that 12yrs u refer to is jus for the nurses with Diploma in govt hospitals. Pharmacist and oda guys I think earn good pay.it also take the same diploma nurses 9years before they can earn same salary a new lab scientist , pharmacist and radiologist u mentioned earn.

Stop saying wat you dnt know, I am a physiotherapist work in UBTH, my superiors that have used 10years is not receiving wat a fresh doctor is receiving....10years afta service o
jst to breach it and make the dff to be 34% frm 64% dff u guys no gree.....u guys are jst greedy

chioma134:
Hehehe...Ignorance is bliss. Trained to diagnose? That is the biggest blunder I've read. You are doing what all apprentice chemists are doing, and instead of you to hide your head in shame, you are boasting about it on an open forum. I only blame our govt as anybody can do anything without being punished.

Lol. E pain am. Like we don't knw Hw u guys run illegal pharmacy from d boots of ur cars

frankpro27:
Thr are many fields in pharmacy. A consultant pharmacist is a pharmacist who works as a consultant providing expert advice on[b] the use of medications or on the provision of pharmacy services to medical institutions, medical practices and individual patients.
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U can also check West African Postgraduate College of Pharmacists. Stop arguing in ignorance.

Wow. That's really insightful.

So they do not diagnose, treat, prescribe and manage patients? Who does that exactly anyway?The CONSULTANT NURSE perharps?