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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:09pm On Jun 17, 2018
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JSMMUYIWA(m): 3:09pm On Jun 17, 2018
PDPGuy:
How about Rohr starting Simmy Nwankwo and Iheanacho upfront?

A two-main strike force, with Iwobi playing just behind them, would cause a lot of wahala for the Iceland players. I don’t seriously believe Iceland would park the bus against the Super Eagles; they will play a more open game which would suit the natural pace players of the SE.

Moreover, Ebuehi needs to start the next two games. He is a massive upgrade on Shehu.
Yes Iheanacho and Simy Would be a sharp front, both has pace and are hungry.
Iwobi as AMF.
Oh my I Mikel as our AMF is frustrating.
Iwobi with the ball is always lethal!
Mikel should drop back from that AMF position ejor!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 3:13pm On Jun 17, 2018
How do you expect him to do the crosses when he's playing behind Moses who was bossing that wing? how is this so difficult for you to grasp? the goal Iwobi scored against Zambia, who gave him that cross from the wing?

Were you expecting him to outrun Moses so that he can cross thereby exposing the RB for Perisic to feast on? your argument is not going anywhere man. for the formation used yesterday, he did no wrong, in a 3:5:2, the RB automatically becomes RWB/FB, was that what we played yesterday? we played the same formation with the Croats yesterday, please how many of their attacks was started by their RB/LB?

Maybe if he was played as the RB in a 3:5:2, then and then would your points stand.

I give up oga. looking forward to the next game.

TheSuperNerd:
Ighalo's own came from the left but not uptop left... It was diagonally forward. It came from behind but from the left.

Balogun had one and it came from a corner. Off target it went.

I don't recall Ndidi having a go with his head.

But from Shehu's wing?!! With an attack in transition?
None... None!!! None!!!! And all because he was timid in becoming our extra outlet of attack down that right.

As a team we are to utilise every facet of our game. We have scored from cross and nod before... We can do so again especially down that right. The right is our stronghold because of Moses Victor but his supporting Fullback was not inventive or adventurous enough. So this is not a minor issue ooo... because we also speak of different approaches that can try fetch us goals and keep us on the ascendancy up front.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 3:13pm On Jun 17, 2018
Rohr knows what works, yet doesn't want to use it, i don't just get. must he play some sets of players?

AIG07:
this is one of the line ups that can unlock any defense. We stand a chance with it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JSMMUYIWA(m): 3:15pm On Jun 17, 2018
MetalJigsaw:
And start who instead? Even Ihranacho would struggle out of isolation upfront trust me. It was obvious that Ighalo simply needed a strike partner since the Croatian defense were able to cage him because dude was there was neither a partner nor reasonable supplies
Ighalo wasn't pacy enough.
Well,If Ighalo shall start next,he should be partnered with Iheanacho, but really I prefer Simy to Ighalo. Ighalo hardly charge the defenders when without the ball.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Goke7: 3:17pm On Jun 17, 2018
PDPGuy:
I’m now starting to believe some who say the NFF management take a share of Rohr’s salary, because it has been crickets from them.

Normally, if a native Nigerian coach had the last run of 4/5 poor results, there would be a lot of noise from the Glass House.
Very true, reason the glass house will always prefer foreign coaches, it's racket for them. Bad belle is the major reason we can't have a local coach for the eagles as no sane local coach will have anybody share from his salary. Another major issue NFF had with keshi then and he was owed his salary for months
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:21pm On Jun 17, 2018
Kog45:
Muj,right now am speechless cos all am seeing here were taunting analysis like i/we said it even from unexpected angles.

The team was poor against Croatia and i will not blame any player but Rohr,really surprised seeing Okocha telling us Iwobi would have made the difference as AM?made the difference?in uninspiring team.

Check out our players yesterday they lacks the willingness of a competitor and no matter the formation or Iwobi as AM ,Ebuehi and Iheanacho starting i don't see us making it.

[/b]Imagine just an hours to the match Rohr was saying this team is for the future,going to war already defeated,such statement is for weaklings[/b].

Let's see how it goes against Iceland but i will like to see Ebuehi taking Shehu's place,Ekong out for Omeruo just too glaring the stage is big for him.Mikel fallen deep, Ndidi just need to raise his game,Iheanacho should start,Iwobi need to raise his game even as winger but hope to see him as AM but Rohr is tactical inept,just my concerns cos right from Poland we are having issues,no cohesion in our games and very funny no solutions to our poor response to set pieces.
i had that impression too at the bolded but when i watched the full pre match conference it didnt come off as defeatist for him to say that the team is a team for the future.

my worry now is this: does this team have the will and determination to climb this high mountain that they have set before themselves?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JSMMUYIWA(m): 3:21pm On Jun 17, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Moses was clean through but fell too easily when his marker came unto him... This was near or rather within the box ooo... That was a key forward pass.

Also, see another one... His forward pass to Idowu on the left when we were transiting to attack down the left... Should I name another?

The truth is Ighalo offered little menacing movements unlike Nacho.

Iheanacho is better than Ighalo for me.
Wonder why such ambitious dude is being kept on bench.
I prefer Simy to Ighalo too.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:22pm On Jun 17, 2018
Hahahahahahahaha... It is so very clear now that you indeed are only defending this dude.

So when Moses was on the ball and controlled on more than three occasions with a Shehu abdullahi running up on the other side of the right, you don't know it is natural for him as a fullback to exploit that space by opening up for moses to send the pass and keep attack flowing and bombing up that right? Moses passed to Shehu in space in a few of these occasions and instead of Shehu to bomb forward and try pick a cross, he just easily held the ball, looked up and reversed only to pass backwards or sideways. He didn't offer us an outlet unlike Idowu did the few times we attacked through Idowu's wings. This is why that Ighalo soft header on target came via Idowu's wing. Shehu was so so so frustratingly poor offensively.



So you haven't watched how wingers work with their fullbacks when in attacking transition abi? Hahahahaha I laugh oooo...

I wonder who then is the one finding such a simple concept to grasp. cheesy Shehu offered us nothing offensively and was very timid and devoid of invention and dare going forward. He could not move forward to exploit the space for a cross... He could not open up by running into that space to charge down into the box from that channel... He was always and always turning away from space and going backwards and sideways. He should kindly for this good of this team take a backseat for Ebuehi who is obviously a better player in that role.

This is the same Shehu I praised and always hailed for his consistent solid displays during the WCQs but let truth be told, we have a better RB and fine upgrade in Ebuehi.



somehow:
How do you expect him to do the crosses when he's playing behind Moses who was bossing that wing? how is this so difficult for you to grasp? the goal Iwobi scored against Zambia, who gave him that cross from the wing?

Were you expecting him to outrun Moses so that he can cross thereby exposing the RB for Perisic to feast on? your argument is not going anywhere man. for the formation used yesterday, he did no wrong, in a 3:5:2, the RB automatically becomes RWB/FB, was that what we played yesterday? we played the same formation with the Croats yesterday, please how many of their attacks was started by their RB/LB?

Maybe if he was played as the RB in a 3:5:2, then and then would your points stand.

I give up oga. looking forward to the next game.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Bunique: 3:23pm On Jun 17, 2018
sontoly:
if Iwobi dont start at AM or even false nine with nacho, then we are doomed, anything but from wing just play ahead of mikel in midfield.

What stopped rohr from playing same tactics we used when we played argentina naa ??, its either he is a blind fool or Oliseh was right there is truely witches in NFF, for christ sake play iwobi nacho upfront then mikel from d center moses can even play RWB afterall thats what he played yesterday.

If not for mosses perisic for roast shehu for ramadan. Mosses can play there to accomodate him in that formation, I repeat I dont want to see Ighalo strike at all, dude is so clueless and hugs defenders a lot.

I believe rohr knows that if he lose against Iceland his departure is guaranteed.

I believe after

not true. there were occasions when perisic was on one on one with shehu and he did not roast him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joelayomide(m): 3:25pm On Jun 17, 2018
JSMMUYIWA:

Yes Iheanacho and Simy Would be a sharp front, both has pace and are hungry.
Iwobi as AMF.
Oh my I Mikel as our AMF is frustrating.
Iwobi with the ball is always lethal!
Mikel should drop back from that AMF position ejor!

ARE YOU TALKING TO NL OR THE COACH BECAUSE HE (Rohr) CANT EVEN HEAR YOU AT ALL FROM RUSSIA.
DON'T U GRAB YET HE IS ADAMANT AND STUBBORN . THEY SHOULD COME BACK ABEG OR DISPATCH TO THEIR RESPECTIVE CLUB OR COUNTRIES
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JSMMUYIWA(m): 3:28pm On Jun 17, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Hahahahahahahaha... It is so very clear now that you indeed are only defending this dude.

So when Moses was on the ball and controlled on more than three occasions with a Shehu abdullahi running up on the other side of the right, you don't know it is natural for him as a fullback to exploit that space by opening up for moses to send the pass and keep attack flowing and bombing up that right?

So you haven't watched how wingers work with their fullbacks when in attacking transition abi? Hahahahaha I laugh oooo...

I wonder who then is the one finding such a simple concept to grasp. cheesy Shehu offered us nothing offensively and was very timid and devoid of invention and dare going forward. He could not move forward to exploit the space for a cross... He could not open up by running into that space to charge down into the box from that channel... He was always and always turning away from space and going backwards and sideways. He should kindly for this good of this team take a backseat for Ebuehi who is obviously a better player in that role.

This is the same Shehu I praised and always hailed for his consistent solid displays during the WCQs but let truth be told, we have a better RB and fine upgrade in Ebuehi.



Thought Ebuehi was injured at the nose a reason for his not starting?
Truthfully The overlapping and attacking intent of Ebuehi could have relieved Moses of over holding the ball.
Shehu had a good match though.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JSMMUYIWA(m): 3:32pm On Jun 17, 2018
joelayomide:


ARE YOU TALKING TO NL OR THE COACH BECAUSE HE (Rohr) CANT EVEN HEAR YOU AT ALL FROM RUSSIA.
DON'T U GRAB YET HE IS ADAMANT AND STUBBORN . THEY SHOULD COME BACK ABEG OR DISPATCH TO THEIR RESPECTIVE CLUB OR COUNTRIES
Lolgrin
Obviously you have given up on this team.
When Rohr substituted Iwobi,I knew his tactical instincts wasn't strong enough.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joelayomide(m): 3:36pm On Jun 17, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Hahahahahahahaha... It is so very clear now that you indeed are only defending this dude.

So when Moses was on the ball and controlled on more than three occasions with a Shehu abdullahi running up on the other side of the right, you don't know it is natural for him as a fullback to exploit that space by opening up for moses to send the pass and keep attack flowing and bombing up that right?

So you haven't watched how wingers work with their fullbacks when in attacking transition abi? Hahahahaha I laugh oooo...

I wonder who then is the one finding such a simple concept to grasp. cheesy Shehu offered us nothing offensively and was very timid and devoid of invention and dare going forward. He could not move forward to exploit the space for a cross... He could not open up by running into that space to charge down into the box from that channel... He was always and always turning away from space and going backwards and sideways. He should kindly for this good of this team take a backseat for Ebuehi who is obviously a better player in that role.

This is the same Shehu I praised and always hailed for his consistent solid displays during the WCQs but let truth be told, we have a better RB and fine upgrade in Ebuehi.



EXPECT THE SAME FORMATION 4-2-3-1 WITH IGHALO, SHEHU AND MIKEL AS ATM.

THE MAN IS STUBBORN SO
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR PEEEEEEM! FROM ANYONE AGAIN
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:36pm On Jun 17, 2018
The reports said he recovered and trained fully with the team in the next training session. Ebuehi is fit.

Shehu had a decent game defensively with some thanks to Moses too. I recall on two occasions Shehu coming to our rescue with good clearances... But mehn offensively... The guy was another story.


JSMMUYIWA:

Thought Ebuehi was injured at the nose a reason for his not starting?
Truthfully The overlapping and attacking intent of Ebuehi could have relieved Moses of over holding the ball.
Shehu had a good match though.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JSMMUYIWA(m): 3:38pm On Jun 17, 2018
The 2014 World Cup,we lost to France from corner.
Same as the header from Argentina.
Our Friendlies we lost from this same corner.
Yesterday both goals concede was from Corners too.
Why is Set-Piece our perennial problem?
Anything aside Simy and Iheanacho upfront.
Iwobi as AMF in next match,with Ebuehi as our RB,am sorry could be distrastrous.
We need mobile,pacy and ambitious forwards.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Khaytunechi: 3:39pm On Jun 17, 2018
make ena cheer up

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joelayomide(m): 3:39pm On Jun 17, 2018
JSMMUYIWA:

Lolgrin
Obviously you have given up on this team.
When Rohr substituted Iwobi,I knew his tactical instincts wasn't strong enough.
MARK MY WORDS IT WILL BE SAME PLAYERS SAME FORMATION AGAINST ICELAND. YEYE. COACH
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:41pm On Jun 17, 2018
KevinDein:


Exactly what I was thinking. They'd easily be up there with the likes of Brazil, Germany and Spain as the elite of international football.
They once were in the 1980s, just before the collapse of communism. USSR too was very strong then. That was the days of West Germany.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:42pm On Jun 17, 2018
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 3:42pm On Jun 17, 2018
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Fellow Eagulians, we got what we deserved in the Match - 0 Point. We played nothing, we didn't play like Professionals at all. It was like Rohr just picked 11 Players and asked them to win the Match on their own.

There is nothing Positive to pick from the Match except we wanna fool ourselves. We need to compare other Teams with us, it's like Oshodi FC locking on with Arsenal FC - we are indeed disorganized as Javier Pointed out.

We were harmless, toothless and careless. No zeal at all from the Players to win the Match. No cohesion, lame attacking-threat, shambolic Display, poor positioning and off Ball Movements; Nothing really is positive. The worst part is Mikel; he was lost, completely lost and couldn't be found.

Mujtahida was right, we played Naija Team, not a typical Nigeria Team. The Croats locked up the middle, and no one in the Midfield could unlock it. Had Iwobi played as an AM, he would have been positive for the Team.

Everyone knows what's good for the Team, except Rohr. I hope he tweaks his Philosophy as TheGoodJoe opined, otherwise this World Cup gonna be worse than the 2002 Edition.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JSMMUYIWA(m): 3:44pm On Jun 17, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
The reports said he recovered and trained fully with the team in the next training session. Ebuehi is fit.

Shehu had a decent game defensively with some thanks to Moses too. I recall on two occasions Shehu coming to our rescue with good clearances... But mehn offensively... The guy was another story.


Really?
Then Rohr's tactics isn't clear to me then,how did Shehu bettered Ebuehi in the friendlies?
Hope this isn't some politicking?
We can only use Shehu for only defensive mindset.
If we really want to up our attack to make some points,and Ebuehi isn't starting ahead of Shehu,we are really in for it.Ebuehi has the pace,dribbling, and one-two instincts with wingers than Shehu.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 3:44pm On Jun 17, 2018
Ighalo offers nothing.. No aggression, no runs nothing.. It is not a coincidence that he goes on extended barren runs for club and country. If Iheanacho is given as much time as Ighalo, he would do better, I have no doubt. Sadiq Umar as raw as he is, will do better.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lexyman(m): 3:44pm On Jun 17, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
The reports said he recovered and trained fully with the team in the next training session. Ebuehi is fit.

Shehu had a decent game defensively with some thanks to Moses too. I recall on two occasions Shehu coming to our rescue with good clearances... But mehn offensively... The guy was another story.




offensively , he will hold on to the ball wait for Mikel to run to him give the pass to Mikel and run back to his position ... played like an old school wing back ....(definitely he is one ) i noticed this on 3 different occasions

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 3:46pm On Jun 17, 2018
Shehu offers nothing going forward, we had zero width from both fullbacks. How he gets selected over Ebuehi is a mystery.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ManBeast: 3:48pm On Jun 17, 2018
This Supernerd dey write epistle like mad, abeg use nwayo.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JSMMUYIWA(m): 3:48pm On Jun 17, 2018
joelayomide:

MARK MY WORDS IT WILL BE SAME PLAYERS SAME FORMATION AGAINST ICELAND. YEYE. COACH
Lol....grin
Is that how tactless the coach is?
Lol....I will mark your words.
He should read the games and remove mediocrity.
You can only stick to a winning formation at least.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Eleniyan15: 3:49pm On Jun 17, 2018
Pop in

I see Simy starting Iceland game, he got the physique because those iceland players rugged big time they are disorganize like SE,it would definitely be an interesting match
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 3:50pm On Jun 17, 2018
Victor Moses, as skillful as he is, can certainly be a liability.

Our second half line-up against Argentina played really well, no unnecessary dribbling and diving. Those are the players that should start.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:51pm On Jun 17, 2018
Sadly and unfortunately, thanks to a heavy dose of conservatism, Shehu is Rohr's first choice RB. And I can only keep supporting the team whether it is Shehu or Ebuehi picked at RB.


JSMMUYIWA:

Really?
Then Rohr's tactics isn't clear to me then,how did Shehu bettered Ebuehi in the friendlies?
Hope this isn't some politicking?
We can only use Shehu for only defensive mindset.
If we really want to up our attack to make some points,and Ebuehi isn't starting ahead of Shehu,we are really in for it.Ebuehi has the pace,dribbling, and one-two instincts with wingers than Shehu.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 3:51pm On Jun 17, 2018
Honestly, when I stumbled on the lineup and formation for yesterday's game on website I struggled to believe my eyes. Even though it was coming from a reliable source like my favorite Completesports.com.

Because for me, the only thing that would make Rohr neglect the ever effective and essential 3-5-2 formation ( at least for that match) is if he's on some kind of drug or he's simply gone mad (no insult intended).

When I finally confirmed it on TV I was shocked! I immediately knew we're in deep sh!t... not only in the game but having Rohr as our coach. He confirm it to every one that he's only been lucky in his past exploits with the team.

You need to see how I was wincing in bitterness and disappointment in Gernot Rohrs foolishness.

For God's sake even a kid would easily point out the ideal formation for this team after the six good friendlies... A team suffering from little or lack of creative/ intelligent personnel in the middle.

A team that struggles to hold possession and exchange good passes comfortably.
Against one of the bast midfield combos in the world. You can't match them with a three man midfield that is much more inferior (because the two side midfielders flanking the AMwill practically play as wingers even if it's a 4-2-3-1).

The worst part of this was pushing a deadly Alex Iwobi at one side of the pitch when he's supposed to play right behind the striker to cause havoc with his footwork and dangerous passes.
Rohr should have gotten that this guy is the new hair to that role. At least currently Go watch our last three matches.

Rohr should have noticed that Mikel has lost his creative/ attacking touch after the last three games and Iwobi is now the real deal in that role. We all saw what Iwobi did against England- the pass he gave to Ighalo which the striker rattled the post with before Iwobi sharply got the rebound. Tell me when last such we saw such a sublime pass in the SE.


And as for Tyrone, I really pity that boy.
What else does he have to prove to Rohr

After the last two friendlies I stated here that some of us here a far better than Rohr.
For get that he's white or he's a so called 'tactician'. He's just fortunate. He deserves no where near coaching a big footballing nation like Nigeria.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:51pm On Jun 17, 2018
AIG07:
the you don't change a winning team and formation is archaic and does not work again in modern day football. That's why coaches in their late fifties and above are finding it hard to catch up with the change. Mourinho is a testament to this.
i have always trumped it up that that cliche is seriously dated and i always made reference to character of this age. that cliche worked in former times when culture was stable and less prone to change. growing up many us witnessed our parents using the same household appliances for twenty, even thirty years because the manufacturers didnt change or innovate. today we change phones, tv, and other appliances frequently. today's culture is dynamic. it was my reading of the prevailing cultural mileau of our times()what germans call zeitgeist) across all aspects of human life that made me realize that the-you-never-change- a-winning- team idea cannnot work.

a coach must be ready to tweak and rejig his system. from the qualifiers till now rohr refused to change tactics and game squad even though the personnel as in the 23 he choose can do the job

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