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Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 9:47pm On Jul 02, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Did you miss the bit about my age? Or the offense being at myself for engaging with people who lack manners? I don't need anyone apologising to me mutt. I've said my bit on the issue and moved on, and it would seem, so too has the person concerned. It could after all have not been on purpose, and that's the stance I'm willing to take on the subject barring evidence to the contrary. Could you move on too maybe? |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 10:44pm On Jul 02, 2018 |
budaatum:Your wish is my command. How many steps? Pẹlẹ. PS: If not that you clammed up, I really was looking forward to catching up with you, in camera, that failed to happen |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 2:23am On Jul 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I'm sure if you'd tried hard enough, you'd have got me. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by shaybebaby(f): 6:48am On Jul 03, 2018 |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by 9inches(m): 6:50am On Jul 03, 2018 |
budaatum:The use of the word catholic with a small "c" does not mean the Catholic denomination. It is an older usage (from which the denomination drew its name) meaning "universal". Anglicanism is often called the "via media" or "middle way" between Catholicism and Protestantism. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 6:51am On Jul 03, 2018 |
budaatum:I did, but you never once, came back to say, you're in with the in-camera+ its term(s) shaybebaby:I see you. So, you've got jokes erh? |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by shaybebaby(f): 7:06am On Jul 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:You fellas made it too easy for me. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 7:13am On Jul 03, 2018 |
budaatum: 9inches:• Adam & Eve in Eden, fast forward to Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:41 • Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all. (i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire) • Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire. • the sell-out and/or shady deal(s)(e.g. "Church" and State collaboration under Constantine) • The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) • Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as "official" church during Constantine's reign • The supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy) created/aided with the support of the Roman emperors (i.e. Constantine and his successors) • Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose (e.g. Arianism, doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D) and presiding over this first ecumenical church council • the exploits of the apostles, all charged up in their faith, preaching the Gospel and like Jesus willing to die horrible deaths because of it. • The apostolic period (i.e. including The "patristic writings'') - about contemporaries of the apostles like Linus, mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21, and who became the bishop of Rome after Peter was martyred • the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John • the post-Nicene "church" period - about the likes of Augustine, bishop of Hippo, who is often called the father of the [Roman Catholic] Church because of his great work in Church doctrine • The term "Roman Catholic" defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code. In that document, he referred to those who hold to the "religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter" as "Roman Catholic Christians" and gave them the official sanction of the empire • the first canon (i.e. Muratorian Canon), the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible • The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church • the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors • the tragic compromise of believers with the introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences (i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs) • Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter • "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire Preemptively, I provided the above bullet points, highlighting the gradual development of RCC. Notice from the bullet points that, its Ignatius who first used the "ekklesia katholicos" phrase (i.e. "ekklesia katholicos" means "the universal called out'') and its Emperor Theodosius, on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code, who defined the term "Roman Catholic" . |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 7:16am On Jul 03, 2018 |
shaybebaby:I wonder what it was that was difficult or hard before |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by shaybebaby(f): 7:19am On Jul 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:No double entendre previously. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by orisa37: 7:29am On Jul 03, 2018 |
I'm not some kid you do humour with by slinging insults! And so you must bleep all of them in The English Hse of Lords? And please, could you consider minding your own skin instead of licking others? Yours is ruff, rashy, rugged and scaring. That's why you are hiding it from bleeping. You got me wrong so I'd assume you got orisa wrong too. All I'm saying is that Dogara, Saraki, Onneghen and Osinbajo should not be complacent to allow our home grown Fulani guerrilla bleep them off. I'm not ignoring the other stuff you wrote, just can't get my head around it. Please don't play a Bull in a China Shop. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 7:45am On Jul 03, 2018 |
shaybebaby:As in? |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 11:11am On Jul 03, 2018 |
9inches:As in antecedent to the 'C' use, used prior to the 'C' usage, derived from a previous usage? It does imply there were Christian churches before the "Universalism". The first churches were disorganised pockets of Christians. It was some of these that were grouped together to form the Roman Catholic Church. Doctrinal differences kept some apart, but some still joined up despite the differences. If they were in the Roman Empire, they pretty much had no choice in the matter. These differences, along with the decline of the Romans, however festered into the splits that created the different protestant sects. 1 Like |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 11:20am On Jul 03, 2018 |
shaybebaby:With muttley? The guy who refuses to write straight sentences? I pass thanks. He'd have to bend! |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 11:59am On Jul 03, 2018 |
shaybebaby: budaatum:MuttleyLaff being straight is good enough, and probably maybe part of why the guy doesn't write straight sentences. You have a free pass bud, as I can bend, but with both hands firmly clasped behind my back PS: 9inches doesn't and won't buy into your post up there |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by xpmode(m): 2:58pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Why should they be allowed if they have not repented of theirs evil ways. why should they polute the congregation of the Lord. Allowing them to -come inside the church is against Biblical Principle (Act 2v41-47). If they wanted to come in the door is open, as long as they are ready to repent. As at today, there are non LGBT who are yet to repent from their old ways, we see them causing troubles in the church |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by 9inches(m): 5:03pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
xpmode:So how will they get the right information that might compel them to repent if not in the church? |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 6:37pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
xpmode: 1/ What exactly is/are the evil ways, they have not repented from? 2/ As long as they are ready to repent from what gangan? xpmode:The B in LGBT, I personally think, is about trying to have your cake and eat it too If you want to be Osakala, be Osakala, if you want to be Osokolo, be Osokolo, but dont be mixing Osakala & Osokolo together One can't have it both ways, that is just pure "ojukokuro, afẹjumọ" greed 9inches:1/ What right information exactly is this, that will force them to change? 2/ What precisely are they changing from, and what exactly are they changing into? |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by 9inches(m): 8:49pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:1. The Word of God as authentic as it comes. 2. Changing from sinful ways to righteousness. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 9:34pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
xpmode:So, only those who are sinless should be in your church? Only the "righteous" should be in your congregation? While I wonder how you intend to check for this sinlessness and righteousness, I wonder if you wouldn't end up with empty pews singing aleluya. I guess you wouldn't need stones as there'd be no one to stone with them. You probably wouldn't have anyone to do the stoning either, with those empty pews. 2 Likes |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 10:51pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: 9inches:Let's put "righteousness" for a short time, aside and latch on to " sinful ways" We'll come back to "righteousness" later, properly and fully. So what exactly in their ways, allegedly, is sinful enough, that it requires changing? |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by 9inches(m): 3:42am On Jul 04, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Check the meaning of sin. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 5:57am On Jul 04, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: 9inches:No, dont ask me to check the meaning of sin, as all that's asked you is that, in this context, what exactly in their ways, allegedly, is sinful enough, that requires changing. Why are you dodging from answering this question, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt? |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by 9inches(m): 7:02am On Jul 04, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I'm asking you to check the meaning of sin. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 7:09am On Jul 04, 2018 |
9inches:Brother, the meaning of sin in a simplistic and biblical term is, missing the mark. Now, please, I repeat, what exactly in their ways, allegedly, is sinful enough, that requires changing. Why are you dodging from answering this question? Tell in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what it is please. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by 9inches(m): 7:47am On Jul 04, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Brother, there's nothing like sinful enough. Sin is sin. Is there any particular act you want to know if it qualifies as a sin? |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 1:07pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
9inches:OK, brother, I hear you Now let me rephrase that then by saying please, what exactly in their ways, allegedly, is the sin, that requires changing. Please dont make dodging from answering this question turn into a habit So, tell in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what it is please |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 1:07pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I used to think the same way. But concluded that where other people put their bits is none of my business as long as they weren't putting it into me or I wasn't putting my bits into them. |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 1:13pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
budaatum:Bud, I think it's like a case of fancying brunettes, that are tall and with heavy bazookas and bacca but settling for a shorter one with just bacca, and get committed, faithful, honest to a lifetime long lasting relationship In a sense, they're attracted to both sexes, but become committed, faithful and honest once a particular plunge has been taken |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 1:18pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Not quite. It's like fancying both at the same time. Once you settle for one, you're no more "b". |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by 9inches(m): 8:54pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Since we don't know what the people we are referring to, how would I know what they do so as to say if it's sin or not? "Everyone who commits sin commits lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness." (1 John 3:4) |
Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by MuttleyLaff: 5:03am On Jul 05, 2018 |
budaatum:On the contrary, you're still "B" You still fancy both sexes, but you have decided not to follow it through. As you're now committed in a relationship built on trust, truthfulness, honesty and faithfulness to this person you've chosen to settle down with |
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