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johnydon22:
Is there a difference between "my mothers soup is the best" and "i don't like your soup?"

Telling your wife your mom soup is the best after taken her(wife) soup will develop hatred.

Even when your wife soup is more delicious than mom's own(no offense just giving example), you will still display the chauvinism ideology, this can cause hatred and clash between both parties.

Extreme chauvinism give birth to hatred and clashes.

Now apply this when a government want to employ workers.

tintingz:
Telling your wife your mom soup is the best after taken her(wife) soup will develop hatred.

Even when your wife soup is more delicious than mom's own(no offense just giving example), you will still display the chauvinism ideology, this can cause hatred and clash between both parties.

Extreme chauvinism give birth to hatred and clashes.

Now apply this when a government want employ workers.

Oh God. I asked a simple question.

Is there a difference between "my mothers soup is the best" and "i don't like your soup?"

Learn to grasp premises and forget every other assumption you might be tempted to bring in.

Just answer the question.

johnydon22:
Oh God. I asked a simple question.

Is there a difference between "my mothers soup is the best" and "i don't like your soup?"

Learn to grasp premises and forget every other assumption you might be tempted to bring in.

Just answer the question.

There's no simple yes and no to that question, there are different reasons to that.

- Ps4 is the best for me because it has many games collections, Why is Xbox not the best, well "I don't like Xbox" because it has no much games. Infact that's the main reason I don't like Xbox, and I went for Ps4.

- My mother soup is the best, why is your wife soup not the best, well I don't like her soup because she put too much Maggie.

tintingz:
There's no simple yes and no to that question, there are different reasons to that.

- Ps4 is the best for me because it has many games collections, Why is Xbox not the best, well "I don't like Xbox" because it has no much games. Infact that's the main reason I don't like Xbox, and I went for Ps4.

- My mother soup is the best, why is your wife soup not the best, well I don't like her soup because she put too much Maggie.

Too many assumptions, taking the premise out of consideraion.

Ok.

Can you think PS4 is the best but still like Xbox?

Can you think your mom's soup is the best and still like your wife's?

Care to answer this time?

I think these questions are rather too straight, unwarranting of the dirts you throw into them.

You are seeing things in a strictly binary model that is so unrealistic and dangerous at the same time, that is probably why you have quite a narrowed conception of the premise.

Preferring A does not mean you hate B.

Thinking A is best does not mean you have to or you hate B.

You can like this and still think this is the best.

Am i too innocent to expect this to be an elementary understanding?

The question now should be what brings about hate?

johnydon22:
Too many assumptions, taking the premise out of consideraion.

Ok.

Can you think PS4 is the best but still like Xbox?

Can you think your mom's soup is the best and still like your wife's?

Care to answer this time?

I think these questions are rather too straight, unwarranting of the dirts you throw into them.

You are seeing things in a strictly binary model that is so unrealistic and dangerous at the same time, that is probably why you have quite a narrowed conception of the premise.

Preferring A does not mean you hate B.

Thinking A is best does not mean you have to or you hate B.

You can like this and still think this is the best.

Am i too innocent to expect this to be an elementary understanding?

Which means saying and believing Jesus is the only way to God doesn't mean you hate others who don't believe same like atheist, Muslims etc.

Even though they respond back with so much hate

johnydon22:
Too many assumptions, taking the premise out of consideraion.

Ok.

Can you think PS4 is the best but still like Xbox?

Can you think your mom's soup is the best and still like your wife's?

Care to answer this time?

I think these questions are rather too straight, unwarranting of the dirts you throw into them.

You are seeing things in a strictly binary model that is so unrealistic and dangerous at the same time, that is probably why you have quite a narrowed conception of the premise.

Preferring A does not mean you hate B.

Thinking A is best does not mean you have to or you hate B.

You can like this and still think this is the best.

Am i too innocent to expect this to be an elementary understanding?

You point is too clear for everyone to understand

Earthkumy:
The question now should be what brings about hate?

I think racial hatred is a kind of an effect of hateful racial narration and stereotypes which sometimes is an oversimplification or an exaggeration of the said narration.

Take for instance if an Igbo child grows up hearing that every fulani is a killer. he will eventually grow up to hate fulanis. His hatred was not influenced by the ethnic or racial difference between him and the fulani but rather by a false or negative stereotypical narration of the fulani he grew up to hear.

see?

There is no such thing as loving one race means hating the other.

Racial or ethnic hatred has different causality and it is logically absurd to suggest chauvinism of one race informs hatred of another.

johnydon22:
Too many assumptions, taking the premise out of consideraion.

Ok.

Can you think PS4 is the best but still like Xbox?

Can you think your mom's soup is the best and still like your wife's?

Care to answer this time?

I think these questions are rather too straight, unwarranting of the dirts you throw into them.

You are seeing things in a strictly binary model that is so unrealistic and dangerous at the same time, that is probably why you have quite a narrowed conception of the premise.

Preferring A does not mean you hate B.

Thinking A is best does not mean you have to or you hate B.

You can like this and still think this is the best.

Am i too innocent to expect this to be an elementary understanding?

Dude, like I said there are different reasons to that question.

I can think Ps4 is the best and as well like Xbox.

I can think Ps4 is the best and dislike Xbox because of it features.

I've seen some yorubas saying thier tribe is the best and dislike igbos because of some stereotype and vice versa. You can even see that here on Nairaland, just go to politics section.

My thinking is not your thinking and vice versa.

Earthkumy:
Which means saying and [b]believing Jesus is the only way to God doesn't mean you hate others who don't believe same like atheist, Muslims [/b]etc.

Even though they respond back with so much hate

basically

tintingz:
Dude, like I said there are different reasons to that question.

I can think Ps4 is the best and as well like Xbox.

I can think Ps4 is the best and dislike Xbox because of it features.

Oh great now you coming home.

You can be chauvinistic about your ethnic or racial group and not hate other races.

there is absolutely nothing wrong in being ethnically or racially chauvinistic.

I've seen some yorubas saying thier tribe is the best and dislike igbos because of some stereotype and vice versa. You can even see that here on Nairaland, just go to politics section.

This hatred for Igbos was not informed by their love or preference for the yoruba race. It is due to a false or negative stereotype ascribed to the Igbos in his social circle. Look at my reply to earthkumy above.

My thinking is not your thinking and vice versa.

Correct but thinkings often meet at a center of gravity called logical objectivity. There is still such a thing as being wrong.

johnydon22:
I think racial hatred is a kind of an effect of hateful racial narration and stereotypes which sometimes is an oversimplification or an exaggeration of the said narration.

Take for instance if an Igbo child grows up hearing that every fulani is a killer. he will eventually grow up to hate fulanis. His hatred was not influenced by the ethnic or racial difference between him and the fulani but rather by a false or negative stereotypical narration of the fulani he grew up to hear.

see?

There is no such thing as loving one race means hating the other.

Racial or ethnic hatred has different causality and it is logically absurd to suggest chauvinism of one race informs hatred of another.

Displaying Tribal chauvinism regards to your tribe can cause problem, why are many igbos hating on Buhari and fulanis?

We are not talking about your thinking, we're talking about the effect it will cause. Haba!

tintingz:
Displaying Tribal chauvinism regards to your tribe can cause problem, why are many igbos hating on Buhari and fulanis?

read the comment you replied again and again.

We are not talking about your thinking, we're talking about the effect it will cause. Haba!

Same thing. Racial hatred is not an effect of one's racial chauvinism.

It seems like you have not be reading anything i have been writing here

johnydon22:
Oh great now you coming home.

You can be chauvinistic about your ethnic or racial group and not hate other races.

there is absolutely nothing wrong in being ethnically or racially chauvinistic.

This hatred for Igbos was not informed by their love or preference for the yoruba race. It is due to a false or negative stereotype ascribed to the Igbos in his social circle. Look at my reply to earthkumy above.

Correct but thinkings often meet at a center of gravity called logical objectivity. There is still such a thing as being wrong.

How does society came up with stereotype?

tintingz:
How does society came up with stereotype?

It may be through exaggerated experiences, political competition, informed paranoia.

This however is a totally different premise.

johnydon22:
It may be through exaggerated experiences, political competition, informed paranoia.

This however is a totally different premise.

I know.

Good, can someone with chauvinistic mindset be unbias?

You need to review what chauvinism means.

tintingz:
I know.

Good, can someone with chauvinistic mindset be unbias?

You need to review what chauvinism means.

I may have diluted the literal meaning of chauvinism in my usage of the word.

my bad.

I mean racial or ethnical preference or love

johnydon22:
No it doesn't. If being chauvinistic about your race means hating the other, then i'm sure thats not the definition of chauvinism.



Being chauvinistic about your tribe or race doesn't mean thinking you're superior to others.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with thinking your mom's soup is the best.

But it leads to it.

Imagine being a white nationalist in Nazi Germany back in the 1930s. You believe that the aryan (pure white) race is the greatest and must remain pure by not interbreeding with others.

Suddenly, evidence against that belief starts to show. Jews are statistically better off than whites on average. Because it is deeply ingrained in you that Aryans are the master race. The Jews must be cheating in some way, not only that, they must be the root cause of failure in the ranks of the Aryans. These filthy Jews must deserve some form of punishment...

I think we all know the rest of that story.

Anyway, my point is that irrational beliefs invariably lead to irrational actions and that is inherently dangerous in the long run.

johnydon22:
I believe objectivity is needed here.

I agree

johnydon22:
Almost every culture on earth abhors homosexuality, i don't see how this is an exclusive fault of Christianity or Islam.

And i don't also see how it is objectively wrong

You don't see how hating homosexuals just for being gay is wrong?

Furthermore, a lot of cultures were either in support or silent about homosexual relationships until christianity/islam came. A great example is greek culture.

Also, in this modern age, the notion of human rights is universally understood and religion has become a barrier to it. Almost all instances of homophobia is from a religious source- chiefly islam and christianity.

Homophobia is against human rights. Freedom of association and freedom of expression. A human being has a right to associate with anyone (except criminals/terrorists) and has a right to express his or her sexual orientation.

johnydon22:
How so?

Islam and christianity in their traditional/conservative forms are anti-abortion. They want abortion to be illegal. Only extremely liberal christians and muslims support reproductive rights

johnydon22:
They both contributed immensely too to the discipline of science.

How did they contribute? If a christian scientist finds something, does the credit go to christianity as a whole?

Furthermore, islam and christianity only contribute to science when their objectives align together. These religions are very anti-science when it does not benefit them.

johnydon22:
I may have diluted the literal meaning of chauvinism in my usage of the word.

my bad.

I mean racial or ethnical preference or love

Okay

JackBizzle:
I agree

You don't see how hating homosexuals just for being gay is wrong?

Furthermore, a lot of cultures were either in support or silent about homosexual relationships until christianity/islam came. A great example is greek culture.

Also, in this modern age, the notion of human rights is universally understood and religion has become a barrier to it. Almost all instances of homophobia is from a religious source- chiefly islam and christianity.

Homophobia is against human rights. Freedom of association and freedom of expression. A human being has a right to associate with anyone (except criminals/terrorists) and has a right to express his or her sexual orientation.

Examples of cultures that abhors homosexuality, Igbo culture.

And more correctly, i think Christianity or Islam hates homosexuality the action, it is regarded as a moral aberration like many other actions.

People often in this age mistake hating an action with hating a person, they are hardly the same.

Universally?

Islam and christianity in their traditional/conservative forms are anti-abortion. They want abortion to be illegal. Only extremely liberal christians and muslims support reproductive rights

I don't think killing a baby is something that should be within anyone's right either.

How did they contribute? If a christian scientist finds something, does the credit go to christianity as a whole?

Furthermore, islam and christianity only contribute to science when their objectives align together. These religions are very anti-science when it does not benefit them.

Ok

johnydon22:
Examples of cultures that abhors homosexuality, Igbo culture.

And more correctly, i think Christianity or Islam hates homosexuality the action, it is regarded as a moral aberration like many other actions.

People often in this age mistake hating an action with hating a person, they are hardly the same.

Universally?




I don't think killing a baby is something that should be within anyone's right either.




Ok

@bold;

Excuse me? Why are you sounding like a christian apologist? Hate the sin and not the sinner? So you now peddle this horseshit too? Have I left nairaland for too long or is this not the same Johnydon that I used to know?



Abortion is far more complicated than killing a child. A fetus is neither a child nor a baby. Any reproductive rights activist will tell you that abortion is never their first option. They only will see abortion as an option when other options (such as foster care, giving the child to granparents etc) are not available.




Guy, you have disappointed me with this apologist nonsense you just spouted. Especially with the homophobia thing. You seem to forget that the bible clearly states that homosexuals should be stoned to death and that in islamic countries homosexuals are still stoned or arrested.


And please, do not think too much about igbo culture or any other Nigerian culture. I am part igbo myself. Our Nigerian cultures are great but they are also backwards in many aspects. Case in point "osu" (untouchables) in igbo culture.

JackBizzle:
@bold;

Excuse me? Why are you sounding like a christian apologist? Hate the sin and not the sinner? So you now peddle this horseshit too? Have I left nairaland for too long or is this not the same Johnydon that I used to know?

Don't narrow your mind between two ends. My reply was meant to show you how Christianity and Islam perceives homosexuality, it wasn't my own idea.

Abortion is far more complicated than killing a child. A fetus is neither a child nor a baby. Any reproductive rights activist will tell you that abortion is never their first option. They only will see abortion as an option when other options (such as foster care, giving the child to granparents etc) are not available.

There are different stages of human development. I don't think anyone should have the right to kill a baby in the womb.

Guy, you have disappointed me with this apologist nonsense you just spouted. Especially with the homophobia thing. You seem to forget that the bible clearly states that homosexuals should be stoned to death and that in islamic countries homosexuals are still stoned or arrested.

Doesn't this affirm my position that most cultures abhorred homosexuality?

I don't understand how you understand things, bringing out a defence of Christian perspective of homosexuality in no way reflects my own ideas.

Even if they do, i am not here to impress anyone really.

And please, do not think too much about igbo culture or any other Nigerian culture. I am part igbo myself. Our Nigerian cultures are great but they are also backwards in many aspects. Case in point "osu" (untouchables) in igbo culture.

This is simply affirming my reply that most cultures abhorred homosexuality not just Christianity and Islam. Please remain within the premise

johnydon22:
This is simply affirming my reply that most cultures abhorred homosexuality not just Christianity and Islam. Please remain within the premise

And that is a failed premise, as I have pointed out earlier that in modern times, modern democracy and secular philosophy have pushed forward a universal understanding of human rights.

It is against human rights to discriminate based on sexual orientation. The defence of homophobia is not done culturally, it is done with religion

Modern democracy and secularism have eroded homophobia from culture. When you debate and push a homophobic Nigerian to defend his or her point, it will circle back to religion. Some will claim African culture is against it but then, point out that African culture is backward, and you will see the homophobe running to religion for defence.

Amberon11:
When talking about religion you should specify which one. Yes Islam is a global problem.

but there are some good one's amongst them

JackBizzle is right about religion(Abrahamic Religion especially) influencing cultures to hate homosexuality.

The idea that cultures ahbor homosexuality is flawed, looking at history the ancient Greece practiced homosexuality openly, Ancient Parsia even has poems and literatures for homosexuality, ancient Egypt practiced homosexuality etc, there are articles stating how homosexuality is not an issue in Yoruba culture, Sango male followers dress like females.

No. Humans would be Carnibals without Religion.

orisa37:
No. Humans would be Carnibals without Religion.

Cannibalism was in existence before religion. Religion stopped cannibalism

orisa37:
No. Hu mans would be Carnibals without Religion.

Cannibalism can be found in the Bible.

We can read verses where the Jewish God cursed people to eat thier children.

The Jewish God even has some immorality.

tintingz:
JackBizzle is right about religion(Abrahamic Religion especially) influencing cultures to hate homosexuality.

The idea that cultures ahbor homosexuality is flawed, looking at history the ancient Greece practiced homosexuality openly, Ancient Parsia even has poems and literatures for homosexuality, ancient Egypt practiced homosexuality etc, there are articles stating how homosexuality is not an issue in Yoruba culture, Sango male followers dress like females.

cc johnydon22

JackBizzle:
cc johnydon22

I did not reply that comment because of the bold assumptions it was built on. Homosexuality in ancient cultures is a wildly debated topic more so in Egypt.

Most cultures were neither indifferent or did not have a concept of homosexuality within them. Some strickly abhors them, some practised it.

And pointing out sango's disciples dressed like women does not really suggest homosexual relationships.

I know some people that interpret Jesus having 12 men as disciples to homosexuality. It's just fitting a contemporary narrative into unlikely timeline to score points.

In ancient Igbo soceity, a woman with a dead son or dead husband and cannot have any more children can marry another woman but this marriage is not on a sexual note, the new wife is meant to sleep with other men to produce children to continue the family name.

I'm not saying that Judeo-Christian doctrines do not contribute to some abhorrence of homosexuality, i am saying many cultures already do so without the influence of Judeochristian religions.

johnydon22:
I did not reply that comment because of the bold assumptions it was built on. Homosexuality in ancient cultures is a wildly debated topic more so in Egypt.

Most cultures were neither indifferent or did not have a concept of homosexuality within them. Some strickly abhors them, some practised it.

And pointing out sango's disciples dressed like women does not really suggest homosexual relationships.

I know some people that interpret Jesus having 12 men as disciples to homosexuality. It's just fitting a contemporary narrative into unlikely timeline to score points.

In ancient Igbo soceity, a woman with a dead son or dead husband and cannot have any more children can marry another woman but this marriage is not on a sexual note, the new wife is meant to sleep with other men to produce children to continue the family name.

I'm not saying that Judeo-Christian doctrines do not contribute to some abhorrence of homosexuality, i am saying many cultures already do so without the influence of Judeochristian religions.

This is 2018. Homophobia is not caused by culture anymore. But by religion.

Take a look at the UK. Are you saying that the homophobes in the uk are homophobic because of British culture? No. It is religion.

The same with Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries. The homophobia is a result of religion as homosexual relationships existed within Persian tribes.