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| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 3:17am On Jul 23, 2018*. Modified: 3:02pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
Kingspin:"Terrorist sympathisers"? Do your Muslim friends jubilate when people are killed in the North? I wonder how you remain friends with them then. Don't you know that where there is terrorism everyone is affected, or do you just want to believe terrorists check people's religions before they blow them up? What amuses me is why people don't wonder why they aren't coming South where there are more Christians to kill if their targets are Christians! Or perhaps you think your prayers stop them from coming South, or the bombs from exploding? But of course believe whatever you want. Just don't expect that when you don't keep your false beliefs to yourself and announce them on a public forum where people who know better get to hear them, we wouldn't say so. We will! |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 3:32am On Jul 23, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I don't edit posts of mine after they've been quoted. I'll hope that if you understand the proper word was "arm" , others who care would too, otherwise, it would hardly make a difference to them either ways. Thanks for pointing it out though. Tiredness must have gotten me! Did you hear of Israel's new apartheid law by the way? |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by Kingspin(m): 4:24am On Jul 23, 2018 |
budaatum:Don't try ever changing the truth, facts and figures. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by MuttleyLaff: 6:26am On Jul 23, 2018*. Modified: 7:28am On Jul 23, 2018 |
budaatum:Being human means, tiredness will sneak up on you one time or the other and you soon after bound to make some mistakes, but when you do find out you've made mistakes, you dont have to be rigid or bureaucratic about it I simply would have unquoted you, like I've just done budaatum:Yeah, heard it first, in the car last week, whilst listening to LBC Iain Dale brought in the Israeli Ambassador to talk about it and Hebrew only, deemed the country's official language in the bill. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by Natilolo(m): 8:37am On Jul 23, 2018 |
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| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 9:56am On Jul 23, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Lol. You weren't the only one who quoted. And you know, from experience, how unrigid and unbureacratic I can be when it matters. MuttleyLaff:If any other country had done what Israel did, the entire world would condemn them, but since it's Israel, and against arabs, the attitude seems to be that it's the will of god! I'm going to research Margaret Hodge's allegation that Corbyn is anti-semitic. He might be the only one with balls. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by MuttleyLaff: 10:02am On Jul 23, 2018 |
budaatum:Bud, there is more to all this that meets the eye. We can talk about it, maybe later or some time soon. LOL surprised you hadnt mentioned Livingstone too |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by MuttleyLaff: 10:32am On Jul 23, 2018 |
Budaatum tune in to LBC right now on the internet, to listen to James O'Brien discussing Margaret Hodge and Corbyn |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 11:52am On Jul 23, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Missed this. Being listening elsewhere. Sounds like the antisemitism def Labour is being asked to sign up to is designed to stop all criticism of Israel and give no regard to the Palestinians! |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by MuttleyLaff: 12:41pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
budaatum: budaatum:https://www.thejc.com/comment/analysis/jeremy-corbyn-labour-definition-antisemitism-1.466626 I remember when Labour's new code of conduct on antisemitism first came out, I heard people saying, it was giving a way for Livingstone to be readmitted back into Labour They want more as they arent happy with Labour's new code |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 3:00pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:The article does not represent what the code actually demands, in my opinion! The code actually gives them way too much, in my opinion. If the Muslims, or we blacks had half of that, we'd very likely be delighted! Let me know if I am misunderstanding the code, or the article, which I think has misrepresented the code. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by MuttleyLaff: 3:33pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
budaatum:You know, it sounds like a classic Oliver Twist twist. Sorry for the pun. That link however, is what is Labour's code of conduct concerning antisemitism but some quarters, the Jewish groups specifically, arent happy over it, as they claim, it's not detailed enough and feel Labour failed to adopt the definition of antisemitism, as set out by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, as in, the organisation’s full list of examples of antisemitic behaviour. That's why I said, people were saying it gave Livingstone enough room to manoeuvre himself back in to the party, as he wouldn't be falling foul of the party's rule. If the full list is adopted, that's the backdoor slammed tightly shut and Livingstone forever expelled from Labour. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by Kingspin(m): 5:46pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
budaatum:Haven't you saw the video some Boko-haram fans were openly cheering at them? Nigerians is watching how a Christian girl remain captive after her co-victims(Muslims) were released base on religion cum with abated killing in Jos, Benue etc. yet we have not seen any move or even speech from high profile Muslims pleading for that innocent girl to be release, non. My president recently told Nigerians to hand over their lands or face death. This is an extremist behaviors. Remember 2011 election was bloody innocent people women and children murdered only in the North, another election is approaching we keep watch. An observation, it is only you that don't know some Muslims are terrorist but the rest of the world knows, so take care of that. For once I don't think your opinion hold any water. Here is my submission to some Muslims CHANGE thou teaching and ORIENTATIONS. As for you accept to criticize wherever is necessary. I will be glad if the North can go a year without genocide. This is my HOPE. END [b]JESUS THREAD[/b |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 7:07pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I think what the Labour Party has adopted is good enough, and would exclude the likes of Livingstone, who can't be accepted back anyway unless Corbyn wants to resign and end the LP in one fell swoop. I heard on Victoria Derbyshire that the person who wrote the original definition of antisemitism is opposed to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's version that some Jews want to impose on the Labour Party now. The claim is that the IHRA one want to silence all critisism of anything the Israeli's do and has already been used for that purpose. It's not the backdoor they want to shut, but the windows, the chimney, the airvents, and everything else that sounds like critisism. I just wish we too could be as smart and get the same for blackness and racism. Surely more blacks died of slavery than Jews in the holocaust! |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by enilove(m): 7:20pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
Kingspin:GOD BLESS YOU , BRO. I WONDER WHY SOME PEOPLE WILL SEE A BLACK OBJECT AND BE CALLING IT WHITE. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by MuttleyLaff: 7:36pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
budaatum:Bud, but what was/were Ken's sin(s) gan paapaa? Why was Ken suspended and summoned for disciplinary hearing before he eventually jumped off the cliff instead of waiting to be pushed off the cliff by Labour? It was after Ken resigned from the party, that Labour early this month, approved this their new Code of Conduct concerning AntiSemitism With whats in it, Ken can reapply to join the party via this "backdoor" and not with his past comments be flouting any part of the party's Code of Conduct concerning AntiSemitism There is a section somewhere on this site, you have to be very careful not to offend certain lot in there or any among them, You dont do or say anything wrong. Even heard, to comment, you'll sign yourself away In fact, you dont criticise, to be short. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 8:48pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:He was suspended indefinitely for daring to criticise the actions of the Jewish state and can't come back to the Labour Party through any door as opposition against him is way too intense. We just can't have him back under any circumstances. Besides, he'd still fall foul of the current LPs's current antisemitism code as it is. Below are extracts about him from wiki. It's one of those that not just anyone can edit so I'd give it some credence. The last comment is one I strongly share. Yes, that section does exist. It's sort of like a quiet place for them, which I reckon is a good idea. They are criticised when they stray away from the protection of that section, so I wouldn't agree that we are "very careful not to offend" them on the site as a whole. Christians should perhaps have a place like that, however, if they keep posting antiatheist threads in it then perhaps they shouldn't deserve one. I do think we don't bombard Christian threads where people are worshipping their God though, or at least not as much as in one they set up specifically for atheist bashing. What NL needs is a Philosophy Section. Then perhaps we atheists would have to find better things than Yahweh worshipper bashing to do. Though, I must say, I've never seen a mod in here! In January 2009, Livingstone responded to the Gaza War by calling for the European Union and the UK to bring home their ambassadors to Israel to express disapproval for the "slaughter and systematic murder of innocent Arabs". Livingstone was suspended from the Labour Party in April 2016 after he was accused of "bringing the party into disrepute" following a BBC Radio London interview in which he claimed Adolf Hitler "was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews". Livingstone had been invited to discuss the suspension of Labour MP Naz Shah, after it became known Shah had forwarded a satirical map on Facebook suggesting that Israel should be relocated to the United States. Livingstone described Shah's postings, which were made before she became an MP at the 2015 general election, as "rude and over-the-top" but not antisemitic, adding that he had never encountered antisemitism in Labour. Livingstone defended his claim about Hitler and Zionism by reference to Lenni Brenner's Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, and many commentators suggested that Livingstone was referring to the Haavara Agreement between Nazi Germany and the Zionist Federation of Germany. Livingstone's statements were criticised by historians, although the political scientist Norman Finkelstein said that whilst "Livingstone maybe wasn't precise enough, and lacked nuance", his comments did reflect Hitler's initial ambivalence towards Zionism. Livingstone said there was a "well-orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby to smear anybody who criticises Israeli policy as antisemitic". |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 9:05pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
Kingspin:You call lies white, but expect us not to notice, enilove? Where did your President tell you to hand over your land or face death? Many Muslims called for the freeing of girls kidnapped in the North. Many Muslim girls are kidnapped by boko haram but never even get to the news. If Buhari had done what was done in Jonathan's time, spending the money meant for freeing the Sambesi girls on election and houses in London, don't you think we'd all stone him? There are quite a lot of people willing to believe Islam preaches terrorism, but that's like reading about God tumbling the walls of Jericho and having all the men killed and concluding God sanctions genocide. Some stupid people might understand their Bible that way, but you would surely claim they are not Christians. Same way some people are indeed terrorists, even yelling allah akbar as they blow themselves and others up. But assuming they are Muslims is like claiming a pedophile priest in a Church is doing the will of God! |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 9:47pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
You might easily want to believe what you hear without checking, but I myself am an atheist to such attitudes! Below is your source for "My president recently told Nigerians to hand over their lands or face death." Femi Adesina said this when he spoke on an AIT morning programme. Responding to a question on ancestral attachments to land which would be very difficult to give up to herdsmen for ranching, Adesina said “Ancestral attachment? You can only have ancestral attachment when you are alive. If you are talking about ancestral attachment, if you are dead, how does the attachment matter? The National Economic Council that recommended ranching didn’t just legislate it, there were recommendations. So, if your state genuinely does not have land for ranching, it is understandable. Not every state will have land for ranches. But where you have land and you can do something, please do for peace. What will the land be used for if those who own it are dead at the end of the day?”. Do note that Femi Adesina is the special adviser on media and publicity to President Muhammadu Buhari, and not his spokesperson. Attributing what comes out of his mouth while being interviewed on telly as "my president said" or government policy is dishonest, unless you were just being too lazy to ascertain the context and truth, which is equally as deplorable. Also note that the Cattle Ranching Bill, 2015 was introduced in the previous Senate and never got far. While some claim it is still up for discussion, it's not on record of the current session. And besides, which governor is going to take someone's ancestral land and give it to cattle herders? Or rather, when did Nigeria become land grabbing Zimbabwe? I think you paint black but see white and then fear. Rubbing some mud that has been spat on in the eye is the cure for not looking properly. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by Kingspin(m): 10:08pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
budaatum:Buhari opened fire on Shia Muslims and Ipobs why not Fulani killers? Even if the whole Christians get killed you will never criticize Buahri. Jonathan is no longer in office, lets face the current recession and deads. Please stop and stop comparing a gay or pedophile to a hired killers, blood-thirty and massacre. People whose only mission is kill innocent citizen. Do Gay people go about mass killing others? This is how you guys move around justifying murderers. Let put the matter straight there is no way All Muslims can be a terrorist. But there are Muslims terrorist, foot soldiers. I am not against Islam teachings whether is peaceful or not but against bad doctrines and hate ideology which is fueling the attacks and killings not only in Nigeria. Please read between the lines and comprehend. This is my last truth and reply with you. Learn to say some truths. BYeee |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by MuttleyLaff: 7:09am On Jul 24, 2018*. Modified: 10:28am On Jul 24, 2018 |
budaatum:Yes, was pulled over for criticising and making that Adolf Hitler comment and that's why he eventually jumped, instead of waiting to be pushed I see everything, right in all what Ken said there and nothing out of place or wrong I dont see why he shouldnt be back in, especially under the party's now specified Code of Conduct concerning AntiSemitism Most theologians are philosophers. I dont think a Philosophy Section is necessary. The Religion Section, captures everyone. It is open to everyone & welcomes all. It isnt exclusive to a particular section of people, that some will call Christians. The Religion Section, is the place, to come, to cut the teeth, to learn things, to be provoked, to better understand something, to get consciousness stirred, to get your prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness or even atheism, tried and tested It's the place to share truth, afterall, truth never decreases by being shared. Mod is ever here. Unlike previous mods, OAM4J, operates with a different style. OAM4J is there, getting on working behind the scene, just not loud, showing off or flexing muscles 1948 is similar to concocting up The Tooth Fairy Those that know, know, the whole thing, is nothing more than a charade, Bud, lets just let sleeping dogs lie and be Let's not shake or rock the table, we all are standing on Mind you, just like Ken, I dont hate Israelis His only sin, is saying the obvious and saying it, as it is |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by Topkush: 2:39pm On Jul 24, 2018 |
enilove:if slam is an enemy to Christianity and its agenda is to kill Christians, then there would be no christian in Nigeria, in the world at large. Can you count the number of Christians in northern Nigeria despite the killings. nobody is out to kill, if you don't know the religion ask,research and don't write based on unfounded assertions and calumny. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by Aaronsrod: 2:48pm On Jul 24, 2018 |
The Bible tells us to kill enemies of God. We will kill. it is well. |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 3:57pm On Jul 24, 2018 |
No one is comparing gays and pedophiles with murderers. I am comparing the attitude of yours that makes you jump from one bad egg to them all being bad! It's a silly way of reasoning that I can't adopt, or even condone by not commenting! And it's not about criticising Buhari either, but criticising him with facts and the truth. Facts are not true just because they are believed! You got to check them and not twist them to suit the narrative you wish to be true. And history is there for you to learn from instead of blindly believing whatever suits your agenda and calling it the truth, or white, when in fact it's black as coal. Religious doctrine is not what tells Ipobs to kill nor does religion tell Fulanis to kill. There are terrorists, period. And if you were to be honest, you can't tell a Shia from a Fulani, so how you know which Buhari opened fire on amuses me! Perhaps you should stop reading between the lines and consider every letter and word instead! Kingspin: |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by budaatum: 4:05pm On Jul 24, 2018 |
Aaronsrod:Thanks for this. Even despite some readings being able to mean the above, we'd still apply reason now won't we, and come up with numerous verses that say otherwise. We sure wouldn't call a person who takes that single "kill enemies of God" as 'doctrine' and agree that such a person is a Bible or God follower. We'd most definitely not call such a person a Christian! Why people refuse to apply such reasoning to others just stinks of stupidity, or hypocrisy which is even worse, for they actually know what they are doing! |
| Re: What We Should Do To Our Enemies As Christians.. by JesusSonOfGod(op): 9:26am On Jan 16, 2021 |
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