hopefulLandlord:


Why should I value your own experience(s) over mine?

You shouldn't.

Greene66:

You shouldn't.

But you said we should in your first post on this thread

OP, I've a simple solution. Follow your mind. You can never be wrong.

CAPSLOCKED:



HE BETTER NOT CHOOSE "ALCOHOLISM" BECAUSE WE REJECT HIM AND ALL HE COMES WITH.

Haha nigga should be like lost now

hopefulLandlord:


I never knew you're a deist

Borderline

hopefulLandlord:


But you said we should in your first post on this thread

Well, I'm only saying in my opinion.

gabe:
first off, the story of Adam and Eve was told to make sense of the origin of mankind by the Jewish priests who wrote the Talmud, which is mostly the OT as we know it. Bible scholars agree most of the OT was written during the Babylonian exile by Jewish priests trying to explain the origin of their nation to their people through their religious training and experiences. Today we know evolution is responsible for the origin of our species.

gabe:
first off, the story of Adam and Eve was told to make sense of the origin of mankind by the Jewish priests who wrote the Talmud, which is mostly the OT as we know it. Bible scholars agree most of the OT was written during the Babylonian exile by Jewish priests trying to explain the origin of their nation to their people through their religious training and experiences. Today we know evolution is responsible for the origin of our species.

gabe:
first off, the story of Adam and Eve was told to make sense of the origin of mankind by the Jewish priests who wrote the Talmud, which is mostly the OT as we know it. Bible scholars agree most of the OT was written during the Babylonian exile by Jewish priests trying to explain the origin of their nation to their people through their religious training and experiences. Today we know evolution is responsible for the origin of our species.

Mr. Historian, the account of the Genesis unto Deuteronomy was written by Moses. Must you confused the young man with your atheist tendency! Jesus saves

McCoy662:


Genesis 2:15
 Then the Lord God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to cultivate it and guard it. 16 He told him, “You may eat the fruit of any tree in the garden, 17 except the tree that gives knowledge of what is good and what is bad.

Genesis 2:21
Then the Lord God made the man fall into a deep sleep, and while he was sleeping, he took out one of the man's ribs and closed up the flesh. 22 He formed a woman out of the rib and brought her to him. 23 Then the man said,

“At last, here is one of my own kind—
Bone taken from my bone, and flesh from my flesh.
‘Woman’ is her name because she was taken out of man.”


then tell me which comes first?

McCoy662:


Genesis 2:15
 Then the Lord God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to cultivate it and guard it. 16 He told him, “You may eat the fruit of any tree in the garden, 17 except the tree that gives knowledge of what is good and what is bad.

Genesis 2:21
Then the Lord God made the man fall into a deep sleep, and while he was sleeping, he took out one of the man's ribs and closed up the flesh. 22 He formed a woman out of the rib and brought her to him. 23 Then the man said,

“At last, here is one of my own kind—
Bone taken from my bone, and flesh from my flesh.
‘Woman’ is her name because she was taken out of man.”


then tell me which comes first?

McCoy662:


Genesis 2:15
 Then the Lord God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to cultivate it and guard it. 16 He told him, “You may eat the fruit of any tree in the garden, 17 except the tree that gives knowledge of what is good and what is bad.

Genesis 2:21
Then the Lord God made the man fall into a deep sleep, and while he was sleeping, he took out one of the man's ribs and closed up the flesh. 22 He formed a woman out of the rib and brought her to him. 23 Then the man said,

“At last, here is one of my own kind—
Bone taken from my bone, and flesh from my flesh.
‘Woman’ is her name because she was taken out of man.”


then tell me which comes first?

McCoy662, I wouldn't argue with you because the knowledge of existence of God can never be won by arguments. I remember the day I told myself that I would not serve God again because he didn't grant my prayer request but the Holy spirit ministered to me that even if I stopped serving God that does change the fact that God is still God. I understand your inquisitiveness because that is the reason we are human with intellect. God does exist but you must search for him like one that is grasping for air (Jeremiah 29:13).
Finally, keep yourself away from reading some questionable books for now because some of them are to dampen your faith.

iupac120:
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Mr. Historian, the account of the Genesis unto Deuteronomy was written by Moses. Must you confused the young man with your atheist tendency! Jesus saves

lol, it's only attributed to Moses. Most Bible historians and scholars place the writing of the books during the Babylonian exile to the period of Persian rule between 6 - 5 BCE

chemystery:

It's very stupid to go that way bro. There are thousands of religions and the best bet would be to hold unto the beliefs of all these religions. That way, you will not come short of any eternal goodies if any one of these beliefs happens to be the true one. There will also be nothing to loose if they all happen to be false. Just do that and thank me later.

There are many comments on here that make me want to laugh but though I've chosen to quote your's, it's because I like it more and can't really oppose Otem's

"Hold on to the beliefs of all those religions" says you. Which one's exactly? Does any religion have beliefs? Or is it not actually the case that human beings chose to believe what they read in their religious books or are told to believe like someone attempted to get one do on here. So, you take the first few chapters of say, the Bible. Read the two creation stories therein, and believe both despite the fact that they describe very different processes of creation? I'd love a religious person to explain to me how they accomplish that! But what you suggest is take all the religions and believe them all! Now that's a task!

So lets play a game shall we and take just one thing that one finds in some religious books, "Love your neighbour as you love yourself". I'll call that an ideal. A thing meant for the most perfect of beings to do, or just consider how possible it is for anyone to love their neighbour as much as one loves oneself. Absurd right, for us mere mortals. But then consider the effect, or consequence of believing that one should, such that the statement, "I believe that I should love my neighbour as much as I love myself" becomes valid. And I don't mean valid as in, that is what one does, but valid, as in that is what one believes. You know that's all I intend to do right, believe that I should, and probably that I do, as in, I believe that I love my neighbour as much as I love myself. So, one day, I took the 1000 Naira in my pocket, split it in two equal parts and gave half of it to my starving neighbour so he too can buy some food to eat because, my neighbours hunger is exactly equal to my own hunger, and besides, I believe that I should, or do, love my neighbour as much as I love myself. Aren't you going to call me a liar yet? After all, I only believed that I love, or should love my neighbour as much as I love myself and said nothing about aligning my actions along with what I claim to believe! Oh, the religious person would probably say I have fallen short. But isn't what I describe above exactly what the religious person does do - believe but their actions deviate wildly from what they claim they believe? And that applies to the more thoughtful of them. The more banal would claim their sin of not loving their neighbour as much as they love themselves is forgiven because Jesus died on the cross, and besides, they are only human!

My point is that religions are intended to teach certain things that are meant to improve the lives of the individual and society in general. But trust humans to think the facts, which merely divide and cause strife are what matter, and believing them too. Then again, they were all made up by rather imperfect human beings for very imperfect humans beings, so what else would one expect? I'm sure if there were made up by godly entities, they'd be perfect and they'd all be in agreement, and we wouldn't be arguing about any of it.

Op, become an atheist if you would. The benefits are that you would learn to be sceptical and not just rather lazily believe anything you come across or are told. You got to the stage you are at because your eyes opened and you began questioning your beliefs, and that can only be a good thing, since the alternative is to sheepishly unquestioningly believe what you were told by people who most likely know a lot less than you have bothered to know. You still have to not kill, not steal, and so on unless you wish to go to jail or not be trusted by most decent people. And when you die and there is a god who decides to cast you in hell because you held on to the wrong beliefs, despite living nicely, it is my opinion that that god is a rather silly god to begin with, and you should be glad to be in hell. It would be much better than a heaven where the criteria for getting in is the holding of the prescribed and approved beliefs in your head. But if heaven is your goal, then your best bet is indeed to consider that "There are thousands of religions and the best bet would be to hold unto the beliefs of all these religions. That way, you will not come short". Another version of Pascal's Wager, I guess. It sure made me laugh!

budaatum:

There are many comments on here that make me want to laugh but though I've chosen to quote your's, it's because I like it more and can't really oppose Otem's

"Hold on to the beliefs of all those religions" says you. Which one's exactly? Does any religion have beliefs? Or is it not actually the case that human beings chose to believe what they read in their religious books or are told to believe like someone attempted to get one do on here. So, you take the first few chapters of say, the Bible. Read the two creation stories therein, and believe both despite the fact that they describe very different processes of creation? I'd love a religious person to explain to me how they accomplish that! But what you suggest is take all the religions and believe them all! Now that's a task!

So lets play a game shall we and take just one thing that one finds in some religious books, "Love your neighbour as you love yourself". I'll call that an ideal. A thing meant for the most perfect of beings to do, or just consider how possible it is for anyone to love their neighbour as much as one loves oneself. Absurd right, for us mere mortals. But then consider the effect, or consequence of believing that one should, such that the statement, "I believe that I should love my neighbour as much as I love myself" becomes valid. And I don't mean valid as in, that is what one does, but valid, as in that is what one believes. You know that's all I intend to do right, believe that I should, and probably that I do, as in, I believe that I love my neighbour as much as I love myself. So, one day, I took the 1000 Naira in my pocket, split it in two equal parts and gave half of it to my starving neighbour so he too can buy some food to eat because, my neighbours hunger is exactly equal to my own hunger, and besides, I believe that I should, or do, love my neighbour as much as I love myself. Aren't you going to call me a liar yet? After all, I only believed that I love, or should love my neighbour as much as I love myself and said nothing about aligning my actions along with what I claim to believe! Oh, the religious person would probably say I have fallen short. But isn't what I describe above exactly what the religious person does do - believe but their actions deviate wildly from what they claim they believe? And that applies to the more thoughtful of them. The more banal would claim their sin of not loving their neighbour as much as they love themselves is forgiven because Jesus died on the cross, and besides, they are only human!

My point is that religions are intended to teach certain things that are meant to improve the lives of the individual and society in general. But trust humans to think the facts, which merely divide and cause strife are what matter, and believing them too. Then again, they were all made up by rather imperfect human beings for very imperfect humans beings, so what else would one expect? I'm sure if there were made up by godly entities, they'd be perfect and they'd all be in agreement, and we wouldn't be arguing about any of it.

Op, become an atheist if you would. The benefits are that you would learn to be sceptical and not just rather lazily believe anything you come across or are told. You got to the stage you are at because your eyes opened and you began questioning your beliefs, and that can only be a good thing, since the alternative is to sheepishly unquestioningly believe what you were told by people who most likely know a lot less than you have bothered to know. You still have to not kill, not steal, and so on unless you wish to go to jail or not be trusted by most decent people. And when you die and there is a god who decides to cast you in hell because you held on to the wrong beliefs, despite living nicely, it is my opinion that that god is a rather silly god to begin with, and you should be glad to be in hell. It would be much better than a heaven where the criteria for getting in is the holding of the prescribed and approved beliefs in your head. But if heaven is your goal, then your best bet is indeed to consider that "There are thousands of religions and the best bet would be to hold unto the beliefs of all these religions. That way, you will not come short". Another version of Pascal's Wager, I guess. It sure made me laugh!

Lol. A brother wants to gamble his eternity. I was only trying to show him the safest way to do it

chemystery:

Lol. A brother wants to gamble his eternity. I was only trying to show him the safest way to do it

Oh, I know. And to be honest, a person who learns about all religions is a better person for it since they'd more likely learn a lot instead of believing the one religion they'd otherwise know.

They'd fail the test of Yahweh though, or rather, what believers think that test is, and end up in Yahweh's hell, according to some. But I said what I thought of that in my prev.

continuation...

When Adam sinned, God pronounced a judgement. he said man will die, and that's how this religion teaches us that death came to be. we learnt man's eyes opened and he had the knowledge of good and evil.
I guess animals didn't eat the fruit that is why they still walk about naked without shame.

well, if this is really the case, why do animals, trees and other living things apart from man still die?

After that event in the garden, as time went on, Bible recorded how God regretted how he created man. the all knowing God that knows the end from the beginning regretting?? didn't he forsaw the fall of man right from the beginning? as the Bible said he knows what u will be even before u were born. which means he should have known how man will fall before he even created him; how come he was surprised when man fails??


to be continued...