absoluteSuccess:


If you can put 'afonja' and 'identity crisis' together in one sentence, you are left to imagine the state of your brain.

Afonja is obsessed with Biafra/Igbo, opening Igbo thread every 10 seconds.

quid:

Afonja is obsessed with Biafra/Igbo, opening Igbo thread every 10 seconds.

This is reverse psychology.

What's your 'igbo business' on this thread?

And what makes a thread 'igbo thread'?

You seems to have identity-crisis, you see?

absoluteSuccess:

This is reverse psychology.

What's your 'igbo business' on this thread?

And what makes a thread 'igbo thread'?

You seems to have identity-crisis, you see?

Check the original post by OP: they must always mention Igbo in Yoruba affairs LOL

quid:

Check the original post by OP: they must always mention Igbo in Yoruba affairs LOL

Well the OP is of different tribal perspectives than igbo versus Yoruba, he is of racial inclination. I am not sure he is Yoruba, but he often make educative posts.

He had just came about this conclusion reading and analysing public materials at his disposal.

Good morning.

absoluteSuccess:


If you can put 'afonja' and 'identity crisis' together in one sentence, you are left to imagine the state of your brain.

You needn't quote that Ibo boy because he intend derailing the fact finding. However,“metaphysical"mentioned one specific point which has to do with expressing our views as well as anthropological evidences related to Yoruba history.


Ideally, it will even be of great advantage if we unify such expression in a forum.

Olu317:
You needn't quote that Ibo boy because he intend derailing the fact finding. However,“metaphysical"mentioned one specific point which has to do with expressing our views as well as anthropological evidences related to Yoruba history.


Ideally, it will even be of great advantage if we unify such expression in a forum.

You have a point, we've been on the subject for years, may God give us good hands that can take on an archeological interests in Yorubaland .

absoluteSuccess:


You have a point, we've been on the subject for years, may God give us good hands that can take on an archeological interests in Yorubaland .

Total agreement to your assertion on archeological discoveries. Work were done in June 2017 in Olokun site etc at ILE IFE recently on the beads findings that were in thousands and other places were discovered. More excavation will keep opening up more hidden identity of the Yoruba ancestors.

Wonderful.

Of course the Yorubas, like most modern-day forest West Africans/Central Africans etc, descended from fleeing ancient Israelites. The forest West Africans - the Igbo, Ashanti, Akan, Yoruba, Edo, Efik, etc, are not regarded as real Africans by the Sahel/Saharan Africans, ie the Hamitic Africans, who see themselves as the original dwellers on the continent. They actually KNOW that the forest West Africans are descended from fleeing Israelites. It is the Israelites themselves - us - who don't know who we are. And this was prophesied in the Old Testament. This......blindness. Black suffering/slavery was also prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. In verse 68, there's a clear reference to the transatlantic slave trade that saw blacks - the forest West Africans - shipped in their millions to the modern day 'Egypt' - the United States.

“And the Lord will take you back to Egypt IN SHIPS, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”


Ultimately, Yahweh promises redemption of the Israelites from their woes, which he had decreed because of their ancient disobedience to his laws.

Zephaniah 3:10

''From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.''

Geographically, ''beyond the rivers of Ethiopia", ie the Nile, is.... West Africa.

Rossikki:
Of course the Yorubas, like most modern-day forest West Africans/Central Africans etc, descended from fleeing ancient Israelites. The forest West Africans - the Igbo, Ashanti, Akan, Yoruba, Edo, Efik, etc, are not regarded as real Africans by the Sahel/Saharan Africans, ie the Hamitic Africans, who see themselves as the original dwellers on the continent. They actually KNOW that the forest West Africans are descended from fleeing Israelites. It is the Israelites themselves - us - who don't know who we are. And this was prophesied in the Old Testament. This......blindness. Black suffering/slavery was also prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. In verse 68, there's a clear reference to the transatlantic slave trade that saw blacks - the forest West Africans - shipped in their millions to the modern day 'Egypt' - the United States.

“And the Lord will take you back to Egypt IN SHIPS, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”


Ultimately, Yahweh promises redemption of the Israelites from their woes, which he had decreed because of their ancient disobedience to his laws.

Zephaniah 3:10

''From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.''

Geographically, ''beyond the rivers of Ethiopia", ie the Nile, is.... West Africa.

You are obviously very ignorant about West African traditions. I'm sure you are African American
Or at least get your ideas from African Americans

You should involve yourself more in Ifá and other west African traditions not Bible...

BabaRamota1980:


Yoruba history is too complex for outsiders to grasp. This is because Yoruba is not just a ethnic race, it is also a spirituality; Yoruba is not just a language, it is also an emotion; Yoruba is not only a thought, it is also a philosophy; this Yoruba is not just a society, it is also a civilization. Under Yoruba are many aspects of sociology and humanities that are robustly comprehensive and contains within it the many secrets to ancient arts and cults. Yoruba is a curriculum of study on its own. It continues to reveal new dimensions previously unknown. It is self surviving and self sustainable. Calling us Jews is denigrating!

Chai see poem ooo lol. Yoruba don turn something lol.
Yet upon all this ur sweet and emotional write up about Yoruba, your lands remain among the most under developed in Nigeria, poorest states, you have the highest number of illiterates, highest numbers of ritualist and muderers..
Abeg discard this your poem, it is at best nonsense for a place and people that lack human development and basic amenities.

Rossikki:
Of course the Yorubas, like most modern-day forest West Africans/Central Africans etc, descended from fleeing ancient Israelites. The forest West Africans - the Igbo, Ashanti, Akan, Yoruba, Edo, Efik, etc, are not regarded as real Africans by the Sahel/Saharan Africans, ie the Hamitic Africans, who see themselves as the original dwellers on the continent. They actually KNOW that the forest West Africans are descended from fleeing Israelites. It is the Israelites themselves - us - who don't know who we are. And this was prophesied in the Old Testament. This......blindness. Black suffering/slavery was also prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. In verse 68, there's a clear reference to the transatlantic slave trade that saw blacks - the forest West Africans - shipped in their millions to the modern day 'Egypt' - the United States.

“And the Lord will take you back to Egypt IN SHIPS, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”


Ultimately, Yahweh promises redemption of the Israelites from their woes, which he had decreed because of their ancient disobedience to his laws.

Zephaniah 3:10

''From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.''

Geographically, ''beyond the rivers of Ethiopia", ie the Nile, is.... West Africa.

There are other verses that identify the Skin colours of the Hebeuru/Ebeuru/Hebrew,Egyptians as well the intermarriages with different Ham's descendant- Nubian-Cush-Ethiopian etc and other convincing information that include papyrus documents written in Aramaic, that showed Jews lived in Africa during the time of Hezekiah , the first captivity of the Jews, destruction of the Holy temple, disappearance of the Ark of God( some Ethiopian claim, it is in their custody), the second outright destruction of the Temple in Juda. There are evidences that you can cite from different authors, that have studied the Jewish history and their disappearance after Hykos took over control of Egypt. Evidence should be the tool that you can use to assert your views as regard Yorubas being identified as Jews. Without this, your effort will be in vain, even if you traces of religious rituals,twin birth, etc in the Bible . If you have more than the biblical quotes, kindly share and let us identify with them/it.Before, you can group all the names- ethnic-tribes that you mentioned above, evidence such as religion, sacrifices, twin,method of praying, name ascribe to God, deities, how diseases are seen in the societies, type of animals associated with rituals in exchange for human sacrifice,incantation-magic in each of these groups,language spoken etc. These are the ways, your opinion can be appreciated and criticised

OlaoChi:


You are obviously very ignorant about West African traditions. I'm sure you are African American
Or at least get your ideas from African Americans

You should involve yourself more in Ifá and other west African traditions not Bible...

Why don't you just address the post you quoted instead of talking rubbish about where you think I am from?

Many African-Americans know more about your own history than you. They embrace research, unlike our people who only care about money.

And the point here is not to separate the bible from IFA, because if you had true historical knowledge, you would know that the two are not that far apart at all, especially with regard to the old testament.

Olu317:
There are other verses that identify the Skin colours of the Hebeuru/Ebeuru/Hebrew,Egyptians as well the intermarriages with different Ham's descendant- Nubian-Cush-Ethiopian etc and other convincing information that include papyrus documents written in Aramaic, that showed Jews lived in Africa during the time of Hezekiah , the first captivity of the Jews, destruction of the Holy temple, disappearance of the Ark of God( some Ethiopian claim, it is in their custody), the second outright destruction of the Temple in Juda. There are evidences that you can cite from different authors, that have studied the Jewish history and their disappearance after Hykos took over control of Egypt. Evidence should be the tool that you can use to assert your views as regard Yorubas being identified as Jews. Without this, your effort will be in vain, even if you traces of religious rituals,twin birth, etc in the Bible . If you have more than the biblical quotes, kindly share and let us identify with them/it.Before, you can group all the names- ethnic-tribes that you mentioned above, evidence such as religion, sacrifices, twin, method of praying, name ascribe to God, deities, how diseases are seen in the societies, type of animals associated with rituals in exchange for human sacrifice,incantation-magic in each of these groups,language spoken etc. These are the ways, your opinion can be appreciated and criticised

I see the bible as a historical document, albeit with external alterations and manipulation, particularly in the NT. Other sources of evidence exist of course. Don't necessarily have the time or energy to explore all of them at once like you seem to be suggesting.

Rossikki:


Why don't you just address the post you quoted instead of talking rubbish about where you think I am from?

Many African-Americans know more about your own history than you. And the point here is not to separate the bible from IFA, because if you had true historical knowledge, you would know that the two are not that far apart at all, especially with regard to the old testament.

Are you a babaláwo or have you contacts to babaláwos to know anything about ifa such that you think you can Form an opinion about it?

You just sit in the comfort of your bedroom talking about ifa like it's your area of expertise

Tell me 10 things that stand in common between the informations recorded in the Odu Ifá and the Jewish Tanahk

Rossikki:


Why don't you just address the post you quoted instead of talking rubbish about where you think I am from?

Many African-Americans know more about your own history than you. And the point here is not to separate the bible from IFA, because if you had true historical knowledge, you would know that the two are not that far apart at all, especially with regard to the old testament.

Any AA that knows Yoruba history more than me would have to have dumped the Bible. Using the Bible to discuss Yoruba history is pseudo-history

OlaoChi:


Any AA that knows Yoruba history more than me would have to have dumped the Bible. Using the Bible to discuss Yoruba history is pseudo-history

The fact you think your history is only limited to ''Yoruba history'' shows that you are operating on a very limited, parochial, ethnocentric level of historical research. The level of AFRICAN HISTORY is what you need to operate on. That way you will be able to understand the various... linkages.

OlaoChi:


Are you a babaláwo or have you contacts to babaláwos to know anything about ifa such that you think you can Form an opinion about it?

You just sit in the comfort of your bedroom talking about ifa like it's your area of expertise

Tell me 10 things that stand in common between the informations recorded in the Odu Ifá and the Jewish Tanahk

I've no time to list ten, though I'm certain there are even more linkages than that. Most important however has to be the similarity between the presence of 'Other Gods'....or the 'Elohim' in the Old Testament creation accounts - ''Let Us make man in OUR image...''' - and the presence of the Orishas who serve Olodumare, the Supreme Creator, in the IFA accounts. This cannot be mere coincidence, and does suggest very deep and primeval linkages between IFA and ancient Sumerian/Babylonian cosmologies.

Rossikki:


The fact you think your history is only limited to ''Yoruba history'' shows that you are operating on a very limited, parochial, ethnocentric level of history. The level of AFRICAN HISTORY is what you need to operate on. That way you will be able to understand the various... linkages.

How have anything I posted limited history to only yorubas?

OK. African history.. Got it. Now where is the link between odù ifá and the Jewish tanahk?
Or since you have brought up African history. How are jews are part of African history

Rossikki:


I've no time to list ten, though I'm certain there are even more linkages than that. Most important however has to be the similarity between the presence of 'Other Gods'....or the 'Elohim' in the Old Testament creation accounts - ''Let Us make man in OUR image...''' - and the presence of the Orishas who serve Olodumare, the Supreme Creator, in the IFA accounts.

. are you kidding??

You can't list a single link and you proclaim records in ifá is the same thing as the information in the Old Testament. Talking as if you are one expert


I Would like to know where in ifá Abraham or Moses or David was mentioned or where in the Old Testament Orunmila or Òkè Itase or Odu was mentioned


So it is written in the Bible that the God of the Bible said "let's create man in our image" and you somehow think that is Olódùmarè talking to the Orishas
OK. What Odu ifá was this statement "let's make man in our image" recorded?
Because it could as well be Odin talking to the Asgardians or Zeus talking to the Olympian Gods


Every person well educated in the subject knows that the old testament(especially the so called books of Moses) were heavily influenced by Babylonian traditions... Scholars suggest that most of Genesis was originally attributed to Anu and the Anunaki

OlaoChi:
. are you kidding??

You can't list a single link and you proclaim records in ifá is the same thing as the information in the Old Testament. Talking as if you are one expert


I Would like to know where in ifá Abraham or Moses or David was mentioned or where in the Old Testament Orunmila or Òkè Itase or Odu was mentioned.

Don't be naive. The OT comprises stories about a people who lived in Israel at a certain point in time. Why would the names of the protagonists be the same as names in iFA accounts? What we are referring to is not identical stories, but identical cosmology.

So it is written in the Bible that the God of the Bible said "let's create man in our image" and you somehow think that is Olódùmarè talking to the Orishas
OK. What Odu ifá was this statement "let's make man in our image" recorded?
Because it could as well be Odin talking to the Asgardians or Zeus talking to the Olympian Gods

Do not expect the names and stories to be the same. Look on the cosmology.

Every person well educated in the subject knows that the old testament (especially the so called books of Moses) were heavily influenced by Babylonian traditions... Scholars suggest that most of Genesis was originally attributed to Anu and the Anunaki

The original Babylonians, like the original Egyptians and Hebrews, were BLACK PEOPLE. The entire Middle East you see today was once a part of AFRICA, and was inhabited by majority black people. Only years of European influx led to intermarriage and a lightening of the skin colour of the people of that region. Those areas are now 'Arab' for the same reason the once all black SUDAN, is now part-Arab. Foreign influx/conquest.

So WHY would there not be certain correlations between IFA and the Old Testament, which you noted is derived from Babylonian/Sumerian texts?

Especially pivotal areas like Creation accounts? Those are bound to be similar, and they are.

Excerpts:

Many scholars have concluded that the founders of the first Mesopotamian civilization were Black Sumerians. Mesopotamia was the Biblical land of Shinar (Sumer), which sprung up around 3000 B.C.

After deciphering the cuneiform script and researching ancient Mesopotamia for many years Henry Rawlinson (1810-1895) discovered that the founders of the civilization were of Kushite (Cushite) origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black people who called themselves sag-gig-ga or “Black Heads.”

Interestingly, Igbos call black people by a similar term today, ''Ndi isi Oggi'', or Black headed people.

John Baldwin wrote in his book “PreHistoric Nations” (1869): “The early colonists of Babylonia were of the same race as the inhabitants of the Upper Nile.”

This was corroborated by other scholars including, Chandra Chakaberty, who asserted in his book “A Study in Hindu Social Polity” that “based on the statuaries and steles of Babylonia, the Sumerians were “of dark complexion (chocolate colour), short stature, but of sturdy frame, oval face, stout nose, straight hair, full head; they typically resembled the Dravidians, not only in cranium, but almost in all the details.”

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/16/5-ancient-black-civilizations-africa/5/

Rossikki:


Don't be naive. The OT comprises stories about a people who lived in Israel at a certain point in time. Why would the names of the protagonists be the same as names in iFA accounts? What we are referring to is not identical stories, but identical cosmology.

Olaochi:

So it is written in the Bible that the God of the Bible said "let's create man in our image" and you somehow think that is Olódùmarè talking to the Orishas
OK. What Odu ifá was this statement "let's make man in our image" recorded?
Because it could as well be Odin talking to the Asgardians or Zeus talking to the Olympian Gods


Every person well educated in the subject knows that the old testament(especially the so called books of Moses) were heavily influenced by Babylonian traditions... Scholars suggest that most of Genesis was originally attributed to Anu and the Anunaki

...
You claimed Yoruba are jews and that ifá records and the old Testament are not far apart. So very clearly ifá being the record of all Yoruba knowledge the names Jewish ancestors should be recorded in multiple odù ifá and there should be obvious common elements that only the old testament and ifá share such that one could not ascribe to other sacred objects or records or proclaim as coincidence

Rossikki:


Don't be naive. The OT comprises stories about a people who lived in Israel at a certain point in time. Why would the names of the protagonists be the same as names in iFA accounts? What we are referring to is not identical stories, but identical cosmology.





Do not expect the names and stories to be the same. Look on the cosmology.




The original Babylonians, like the original Egyptians and Hebrews, were BLACK PEOPLE. The entire Middle East you see today was once a part of AFRICA, and was inhabited by majority black people. Only years of European influx led to intermarriage and a lightening of the skin colour of the people of that region. Those areas are now 'Arab' for the same reason the once all black SUDAN, is now part-Arab. Foreign influx/conquest.

So WHY would there not be certain correlations between IFA and the Old Testament, which you noted is derived from Babylonian/Sumerian texts?

Especially pivotal areas like Creation accounts? Those are bound to be similar, and they are.

Excerpts:

Many scholars have concluded that the founders of the first Mesopotamian civilization were Black Sumerians. Mesopotamia was the Biblical land of Shinar (Sumer), which sprung up around 3000 B.C.

After deciphering the cuneiform script and researching ancient Mesopotamia for many years Henry Rawlinson (1810-1895) discovered that the founders of the civilization were of Kushite (Cushite) origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black people who called themselves sag-gig-ga or “Black Heads.”

Interestingly, Igbos call black people by a similar term today, ''Ndi isi Oggi'', or Black headed people.

John Baldwin wrote in his book “PreHistoric Nations” (1869): “The early colonists of Babylonia were of the same race as the inhabitants of the Upper Nile.”

This was corroborated by other scholars including, Chandra Chakaberty, who asserted in his book “A Study in Hindu Social Polity” that “based on the statuaries and steles of Babylonia, the Sumerians were “of dark complexion (chocolate colour), short stature, but of sturdy frame, oval face, stout nose, straight hair, full head; they typically resembled the Dravidians, not only in cranium, but almost in all the details.”

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/16/5-ancient-black-civilizations-africa/5/

Awesome piece of information. But leave Olaochi, he will always antagonise because he is Yorubacentric in nature. I have more than 100 words of Semitic, especially Hebrew word ,same as Yoruba's. Meanwhile, Yoruba have large chunk of Egyptian lexicons in Yoruba's. This simply sum up the identity of Yoruba with IFA as a leeway to it.

Olu317:
Awesome piece of information. But leave Olaochi, he will always antagonise because he is Yorubacentric in nature. I have more than 100 words of Semitic, especially Hebrew word ,same as Yoruba's. Meanwhile, Yoruba have large chunk of Egyptian lexicons in Yoruba's. This simply sum up the identity of Yoruba with IFA as a leeway to it.

We'd appreciate the info...

Rossikki:


We'd appreciate the info...

Trust me bro, I am not willing to sell my research cheaply. I want to be paid for it. Forgive me if I informed you in an unexpected way . Although I will post few ones here because of your scholarly approach even if I had posted on another thread but for you to see, I will highlight few ones. Like I had said, Olaochi is an Ibo man,whose knowledge isnt deep but Niger-Congocentric without evidence to show anything on scholarly adventurism
Quickly, do you know Ebi,Shodé,Ogun,etc are Semitic-Hebrew words with same cognate.

Olu317:
Trust me bro, I am not willing to sell my research cheaply. I want to be paid for it. Forgive me if I informed you in an unexpected way . Although I will post few ones here because of your scholarly approach even if I had posted on another thread but for you to see, I will highlight few ones. Like I had said, Olaochi is an Ibo man,whose knowledge isnt deep but Niger-Congocentric without evidence to show anything on scholarly adventurism
Quickly, do you know Ebi,Shodé,Ogun,etc are Semitic-Hebrew words or do have Hebrew cognates?

Had no idea. Doesn't surprise me though.

Rossikki:


Had no idea. Doesn't surprise me though.

They meaning is the same thing even if the spelling slightly different. One of the reason I decided to stop posting these cognate Afroasia-hebrew-yoruba cognate is because, I discovered that some evil minded, ignorant, and sadists thought many international scholars of great reputation wanted Yoruba people to be called Hebrew for no reason or to have lived in the same environment at one time or the other. I wonder if these empty heads ever thought the implication of such of comparison of Yoruba with one of the most humiliated groups in human history ,that has been backed with archaeological evidence? Yet,you will find NL people who virtually know nothing about human history and based their opinion on their little knowledge they have about Yoruba history. Funny enough philology tool has shown that there are many words shared between Afro-Semitic with Yoruba. The question before many scholars was,how did these Semitic people migrate to the the extreme part of West Africa,without influencing or having some form of link with through which they arrived? Evidence to the route have been postulated by some authors.
Bro,if you want to really know the people within West Africa,with Yoruba ancient connection, then use this daily spoken words in Yoruba land and see if there is a cognate with each existing groups in West Africa.
Namely:

Father: Bà,Ùba,àbà

Mother: Iyà,Iyè

Grandfather: Bàbà

Grandmother: Iyàiyà

Family: Ébì

king: Obà

Chiefs:Ijòyè

Sea/Ocean: Okùn

Thunder: Àarà

God: Olorun,Èlèdumarè,Oluwà

Head: Ori/Èrì

Hunt: shodé/dé

Basket:àpèerè

Dance: jo

Visitor: àlèjo

Lantern: àtùupà

Twin:Èjiré,Ibèji

Sleep: Sùun

nap: réejù

come: bo,bo'a,bo wà,wà

cloth: àsó(r),àshó(r)


There are over 500 words that I haven't seen same meaning or cognate with the so called language family with Yorubas. Amongst the above words, there are Semitic words and these words aren't existing in any other groups in West Africa, apart from Yorubas.

Study being carried out are always updated once new finding are discovered.

Olu317:
Trust me bro, I am not willing to sell my research cheaply. I want to be paid for it. Forgive me if I informed you in an unexpected way . Although I will post few ones here because of your scholarly approach even if I had posted on another thread but for you to see, I will highlight few ones. Like I had said, Olaochi is an Ibo man,whose knowledge isnt deep but Niger-Congocentric without evidence to show anything on scholarly adventurism
Quickly, do you know Ebi,Shodé,Ogun,etc are Semitic-Hebrew words with same cognate.

I have no evidence? Lmao.
The entire world of linguistics and anthropology put yoruba as a native African civilization which in itself is no cause for shame but you are ashamed of Africa and run away from anything Africa despite the linguistic cultural and genetic evidence
You don't need to look too much to find materials published by renouned researchers and professors in some of the biggest institutions

Yet it is some jobless guy who has never taken up a simple diploma that knows more than all the professors of the world

Ogun, Ebi etc are Hebrew words

Rossikki:


Don't be naive. The OT comprises stories about a people who lived in Israel at a certain point in time. Why would the names of the protagonists be the same as names in iFA accounts? What we are referring to is not identical stories, but identical cosmology.





Do not expect the names and stories to be the same. Look on the cosmology.




The original Babylonians, like the original Egyptians and Hebrews, were BLACK PEOPLE. The entire Middle East you see today was once a part of AFRICA, and was inhabited by majority black people. Only years of European influx led to intermarriage and a lightening of the skin colour of the people of that region. Those areas are now 'Arab' for the same reason the once all black SUDAN, is now part-Arab. Foreign influx/conquest.

So WHY would there not be certain correlations between IFA and the Old Testament, which you noted is derived from Babylonian/Sumerian texts?

Especially pivotal areas like Creation accounts? Those are bound to be similar, and they are.

Excerpts:

Many scholars have concluded that the founders of the first Mesopotamian civilization were Black Sumerians. Mesopotamia was the Biblical land of Shinar (Sumer), which sprung up around 3000 B.C.

After deciphering the cuneiform script and researching ancient Mesopotamia for many years Henry Rawlinson (1810-1895) discovered that the founders of the civilization were of Kushite (Cushite) origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black people who called themselves sag-gig-ga or “Black Heads.”

Interestingly, Igbos call black people by a similar term today, ''Ndi isi Oggi'', or Black headed people.

John Baldwin wrote in his book “PreHistoric Nations” (1869): “The early colonists of Babylonia were of the same race as the inhabitants of the Upper Nile.”

This was corroborated by other scholars including, Chandra Chakaberty, who asserted in his book “A Study in Hindu Social Polity” that “based on the statuaries and steles of Babylonia, the Sumerians were “of dark complexion (chocolate colour), short stature, but of sturdy frame, oval face, stout nose, straight hair, full head; they typically resembled the Dravidians, not only in cranium, but almost in all the details.”

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/16/5-ancient-black-civilizations-africa/5/

First the Babylonians were a Semitic people. Just like Arabs and Lebanese these people are not black.
But that's not the topic here... Do not derail
I can debunk all your claims of middle east being part of Africa but I do not want to derail.. Let's face one point


Simply post for everyone to see how recorded information in ifá is identical to old testament

As you intend to pass Babylonians and Hebrews as black people it doesn't end there.. You still have to pass the Babylonians and Hebrews as Yorubas to have a case to actually scrutinize. You have a lot of work cut out for you with this claims of yours

OlaoChi:


I have no evidence? Lmao.
The entire world of linguistics and anthropology put yoruba as a native African civilization which in itself is no cause for shame but you are ashamed of Africa and run away from anything Africa despite the linguistic cultural and genetic evidence
You don't need to look too much to find materials published by renouned researchers and professors in some of the biggest institutions

Yet it is some jobless guy who has never taken up a simple diploma that knows more than all the professors of the world

Ogun, Ebi etc are Hebrew words

Are you educated at all? If you feel bittered about research,then it is your problem. After all, it is inconsequential at all to me. You send message like a frustrated being. Any way, feel free to quote me because my information is a thorn in your flesh. You kept mentioning ‘youth' as if I am your contemporary? Anyway, I'll keep mute on some things.


Enjoy your purchased Ignorance.

OlaoChi:


First the Babylonians were a Semitic people. Just like Arabs and Lebanese these people are not black.

You are so ignorant. The first 'semitic' people were BLACK. Get that into your thick skull. Do you think God created white, black, and yellow people separately, or if you believe in evolution, do you think the races evolved separately? What the hell is wrong with you? Stop being a slave to mainstream western indoctrination. Blacks at a point were the ONLY race on earth. The other races are merely variations of the original black race. So the first Hamites and Semites were BLACK people. Africans. These Africans migrated all over the world, and climatic conditions led to changes in appearance - skin colour, hair texture etc.

But that's not the topic here... Do not derail
I can debunk all your claims of middle east being part of Africa

No, you absolutely cannot. Do you realise that the ancients regarded southern Africa as the NORTH and the northern Africa as SOUTH? There is actually no reason to imagine that modern conventional geographic positioning is sacrosanct, as it all depends on what position you are viewing the earth from.

Simply post for everyone to see how recorded information in ifá is identical to old testament

As you intend to pass Babylonians and Hebrews as black people it doesn't end there.. You still have to pass the Babylonians and Hebrews as Yorubas to have a case to actually scrutinize. You have a lot of work cut out for you with these claims of yours

Dude, go on Google and type Yoruba - Hebrew similarities. Stop being a closed-minded dunce. The info is out there. It is nobody's job to educate you.

Rossikki:

You are so ignorant. The first 'semitic' people were BLACK. Get that into your thick skull.

you would need to provide evidence of this. Surely you don't expect me to just take your word for it..

Do you think God created white, black, and yellow people separately, or if you believe in evolution, do you think the races evolved separately?

×we are talking about Babylonians here not pre-human hominids

This is an irrelevant argument you are trying to bring up here

First we were talking about Ifá and old Testament the. You switch to Semitic people being black.. Which has nothing to do with the ifá and old Testament argument

Let's stay one point at a time

What the hell is wrong with you? Stop being a slave to mainstream western indoctrination. Blacks at a point were the ONLY race on earth. The other races are merely variations of the original black race. So the first Hamites and Semites were BLACK people. Africans. These Africans migrated all over the world, and climatic conditions led to changes in appearance - skin colour, hair texture etc.

OK. I won't address this.. Stick to the first point raised which is ifá and old testament
Just so you know.. You are the slave here not me. I actually know my origins and I'm proud of my origins
It takes a slave to claim who he is not

PS. Hamitic is an obsolete term.. Why on earth would you call me ignorant and thick skull yet use a term like "Hamite"?? WHAT IRONIE

No, you absolutely cannot. Do you realise that the ancients regarded southern Africa as the NORTH and the northern Africa as SOUTH? There is actually no reason to imagine that modern conventional geographic positioning is sacrosanct, as it all depends on what position you are viewing the earth from.

cardinal points are determined by the rise and setting of the sun not "position you are viewing from"

Dude, go on Google and type Yoruba - Hebrew similarities. Stop being a closed-minded dunce. The info is out there. It is nobody's job to educate you.

Such articles are false.. Direct me to one written by a babaláwo

If you don't want to educate why post your claims in the first place? What is your purpose on nairaland with all your so called "knowledge"? If you know you can't defend your claims you shouldn't make them public... Keep your nonsense to yourself then