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Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 7:53am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Exactly my reason to ask you to leave that out...lol! Why trinity, why not 4, 5, 10, 100, or why not 1 as revealed in the scriptures? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 7:57am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Now Your last statement is coming true. The Son was begotten, the holy spirit was not begotten. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 8:03am On Jul 26, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69700629] Meaning the Son never existed aside/with the father before the above happened? I am colour blind, I am denomination atheistic. I am not of any denomination either, I can fellowship with any bible believing church. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 8:08am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: I asked a question and you are asking me did I read it? Read what? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 8:17am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: What is so complex in my question? How do you explain the two thrones in revelations that of the Father and that of the Son , according to you they are figurative. You promised earlier to comment on that.? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:22am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing:Let's keep the thread courteous Maamin:There is no two thrones Maamin. It's one God, having the Son projecting out of the Father. Post the Revelation verse(s) here, let's all examine it together |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 8:24am On Jul 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: And my answer was "NO" meaning it is possible. 1 Like |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:29am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin:Oh my apologies then, For a moment, I thought you were saying, No it is impossible. Well then, do you go along with: God was God the Father in Heaven, when at the same time, He was Son of God on earth |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:30am On Jul 26, 2018 |
OneJ: According to you, God is powerless to be omnipresent.. In order words he's not omnipotent |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:32am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin: You can do the arithmetic however you like. I like to use 1x1x1=1. Thank you. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:35am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin: My last statement is in the form of a question. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. What is God? And what is the Spirit of God? Are they two different things or are they then same thing. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:43am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing:What is Perfectbeing? What is the wisdom, understanding, power, advice etcetera of Perfectbeing? Are those different to Perfectbeing? The wisdom, understanding, power, counsel are Perfect being, they are part of Perfect being, the same way the spirit of God is part of the Godhead which is God |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 8:44am On Jul 26, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69709648] I said "NO" again... meaning it is possible Look, don't confuse yourself with the 'NO'. If you had used.."possible" I would have said 'YES' 2/ Maamin, if you need something done, if you need the thing done right And I also have ability to send my emanation more like my reflection/image out to do it since he too can carry out the very tax perfectly like it were me or the very me. 1 Like |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:45am On Jul 26, 2018 |
[quote author=Maamin post=69712376][/quote] The son never started existing. The son has always existed. Rev4:8; Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is, and is to come.” Who is referred to "who was, who is and who is to come" isn't it Jesus? And what did the living creatures referred Him to as? "Holy, Holy, is the Lord God almighty" The referred him to as God almighty. (thank God they didn't use mighty God in this place) |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 8:46am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Your logic/idea and opinion should remain yours please. Thank you |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:47am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin: I previously explained your question in a previous comment. So I was asking if you've read it |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:50am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin:Haven't I already apologised for this misunderstanding? Well you might be able to emanate but you cant incarnate like God did |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:56am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin: OK let me show you were the Holy Spirit is. Revelations 4:5; From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. Right there at the front of the throne is the seven spirits of God (The Holy Spirit). Need more clarity? Read the whole of Rev 4 |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 9:00am On Jul 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Exactly.. That's what I've been trying to explain to maamin about who the Holy Spirit is. That's why I asked him that question.. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 9:08am On Jul 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Who also died on the cross? Hmmm! The Son preexisted with the father.. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. The father sent the Son from his bosom..John 3:16 With what you have up there will be saying the God the father himself was killed on the cross. Correct me if am wrong. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 9:10am On Jul 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I might have replied before seeing the other one.. Sorry! You can ignore it |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 9:24am On Jul 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Ok...here Two thrones were mentioned That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit. How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine Revelation 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” Revelation 21:22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. Revelation 11:15 …“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.” Revelation 22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb. Revelation 5:13 …“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!” Those are the verses |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 9:38am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: I think if I understand him clearly, he is trying to say God resides somewhere above all his creations. That very place he reside and makes the earth his foot stool. That place that is unapproachable 1 Tim 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen." Daniel 2:22 "It is He who reveals the profound and hidden things; He knows what is in the darkness, And the light dwells with Him." |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 9:51am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Hmmmmm 1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. That is the whole of Revelation 4 Where did it mentioned that it was Jesus apart from your own opinion here? The next chapter will help you understand who was sitting anyways! Good luck! |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 9:55am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin:I thought right, you'll be referring to those verses and similar. As I earlier pointed out there is no two thrones Maamin. It's one throne, and its one God, having the Son of God projecting out of same one God, God the Father. You accept, that God can project Himself however He can, don't you? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 9:57am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: May be I mistakenly skipped it unknowingly. So many mentions. I try to reply all. OK, will check! |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 10:02am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Lol! Well done, You try All I have been about this thread is to make you see the fallacy in trinity doctrine. It is gradually coming through sha! 1 Like |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 2:30pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Talking about your physical and internal attribute or better yet the attribute we perceive as decision-making, morality, the ability to love, worship, and emotions etc. Believe me, I get that. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 2:59pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: OK! Let's agree on that then. Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. I just want us all not to contradict the scripture. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:03pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin:If you can't find it tell me. I'll repost it |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:08pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin: I believe in the Trinity. Not Trinity as 3 Gods. But trinity as one God. The invisible God. God as a man. (Jesus) The spirit of God. (The Holy Spirit) I don't see those 3 as three Gods. I see them as one God. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:20pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
Maamin: I know that God resides somewhere above his creation. I also know that God resides in Believers. Jesus said in John 17:23; I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved |
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