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Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Nobody: 10:01pm On Jul 29, 2018
Maamin:
Perfect wink

When we become fully enlightened knowing God's original intention for us, transcendency is just the beginning of our Spirituality.

The Spirit is like the All Spark, Gem Stone, Mother box of life.
I have no idea what that means though, because the word God, does not do justice to the Intelligence Infinity, The Creator. There is so much confusion in the world today, because of Religions. They mess things up for Humanity. There is a lot I can say about this, but I dont wanna through some light on Lucifer and how he got all the Religions in place. All religions and I mean all, were set up by him.

Truth is that Allah is God, Jehovah is God yet they are controlled by a Solid State AI, Metatron owned by guess who ? Lucifer. But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days, he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel. And even declared that he is Almighty God. So, I assume when you mentioned God, it is Jehovah you were referring to. There are many Gods my friend, and your Mission on Earth is to clean your Temple and go through the Dark Nights of Soul to purge out all your Karma and become God Realized. When you experience what being God feels like, even for 2 minutes in your life time. The entire creation will open up before you.

It goes beyond religions and the Sciences. It is a step further than that.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 10:29pm On Jul 29, 2018
Maamin:
Perfect wink

When we become fully enlightened knowing God's original intention for us, transcendency is just the beginning of our Spirituality.

The Spirit is like the All Spark, Gem Stone, Mother box of life.
TimeMachine:
I have no idea what that means though, because the word God, does not do justice to the Intelligence Infinity, The Creator.
The meaning of the word God, carries the import that
God, is the Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence Self-Existing being cant be boxed up.

TimeMachine:
There is so much confusion in the world today, because of Religions.
They mess things up for Humanity.
There is a lot I can say about this, but I dont wanna through some light on Lucifer and how he got all the Religions in place.
All religions and I mean all, were set up by him.
Truth is that Allah is God, Jehovah is God yet they are controlled by a Solid State AI, Metatron owned by guess who ? Lucifer. But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days, he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel. And even declared that he is Almighty God. So, I assume when you mentioned God, it is Jehovah you were referring to.
There are many Gods my friend, and your Mission on Earth is to clean your Temple and go through the Dark Nights of Soul to purge out all your Karma and become God Realized. When you experience what being God feels like, even for 2 minutes in your life time. The entire creation will open up before you.

It goes beyond religions and the Sciences. It is a step further than that.
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
"
- James 1:27

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means
caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you.
"
- James 1:27

James 1:27 provides useful and interesting information on the type of religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless
James 1:27, clearly specifies, what genuine, authentic and faultless religion is

Well, actually, the word "religion" has changed its meaning from originally being benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need.

Yup, compassion cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age etcetera
I doubt you've ever asked about someone's belief or unbelief first before giving your compassion?

If anyone wants to do religion, then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless

Whatever the front,
the truth and fact is, what is fronted as pure and faultless religion in today's world, isnt it

Religion that is pure and faultless, is about not, how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance,
Religion that is pure and faultless, is not, about wearing hijab or burka
Before what the world has become today, a priest & levite (i.e. "church" worker) had been known to slip up on what pure and faultless religion is

Anything less than practising pure and faultless religion, is not true and so thereby is false religion
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Nobody: 10:38pm On Jul 29, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
The meaning of the word God, carries the import that
God, is the Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence Self-Existing being cant be boxed up.

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
"
- James 1:27

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means
caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you.
"
- James 1:27

James 1:27 provides useful and interesting information on the type of religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless
James 1:27, clearly specifies, what genuine, authentic and faultless religion is

Well, actually, the word "religion" has changed its meaning from originally being benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need.

Yup, compassion cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age etcetera
I doubt you've ever asked about someone's belief or unbelief first before giving your compassion?

If anyone wants to do religion, then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless

Whatever the front,
the truth and fact is, what is fronted as pure and faultless religion in today's world, isnt it

Religion that is pure and faultless, is about not, how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance,
Religion that is pure and faultless, is not, about wearing hijab or burka
Before what the world has become today, a priest & levite (i.e. "church" worker) had been known to slip up on what pure and faultless religion is

Anything less than practising pure and faultless religion, is not true and so thereby is false religion
There are billions of Gods if not more. Always remember that. What ever nomenclature you want to use, always remember that Divine Spirit is not a being. The Creator is not a Being also. These are where religions have confusions. They just throw words around and confuse their members.

You will have to step outside religions to begin your journey. That is a great hindrance. You must take the narrow way. Religion is the broad way that you were warned against. You need Spirituality, not Religion. It is an individual journey. No one can do it for you. I wish you luck.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 11:05pm On Jul 29, 2018
TimeMachine:
There are billions of Gods if not more. Always remember that.
What ever nomenclature you want to use, always remember that Divine Spirit is not a being.
The Creator is not a Being also. These are where religions have confusions.
They just throw words around and confuse their members.

You will have to step outside religions to begin your journey. That is a great hindrance. You must take the narrow way.
Religion is the broad way that you were warned against.
You need Spirituality, not Religion.
It is an individual journey. No one can do it for you. I wish you luck.
Yahweh passed in front of Moses, calling out,
"Yahweh! Yahweh! The God of compassion and mercy!
I am slow to anger and filled with unfailing love and faithfulness

- Exodus 34:6

But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion,
and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.

- Psalm 86:15

If anyone wants to do religion at all, to do it the right way
then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless to do
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 12:10am On Jul 30, 2018
TimeMachine:
I have no idea what that means though, because the word God, does not do justice to the Intelligence Infinity, The Creator. There is so much confusion in the world today, because of Religions. They mess things up for Humanity. There is a lot I can say about this, but I dont wanna through some light on Lucifer and how he got all the Religions in place. All religions and I mean all, were set up by him.

Truth is that Allah is God, Jehovah is God yet they are controlled by a Solid State AI, Metatron owned by guess who ? Lucifer. But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days, he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel. And even declared that he is Almighty God. So, I assume when you mentioned God, it is Jehovah you were referring to. There are many Gods my friend, and your Mission on Earth is to clean your Temple and go through the Dark Nights of Soul to purge out all your Karma and become God Realized. When you experience what being God feels like, even for 2 minutes in your life time. The entire creation will open up before you.

It goes beyond religions and the Sciences. It is a step further than that.
The almighty God is Yahweh (He who is). You must surely meet him in your spiritual journey.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Nobody: 7:48am On Jul 30, 2018
Maamin:
The almighty God is Yahweh (He who is). You must surely meet him in your spiritual journey.
Yahweh is not Almighty God my friend, he is a coded aspect of Lucifer, the Metatron AI Solid State Entity is itself nicked Yahweh Virus. Yahweh and the rest of the archetypes are a part of the Luciferan Dynasty. They own this place. This is their territory. You have no idea how intelligent Lucifer is, my friend. He invented all the Religions including Christianity, Islam even the New Age movement.

The Truth is a narrow streak. It was not meant to be known. When I figured out my chances, and how slim it was, I was hopeless. The only thing that gave me comfort was God Realization, it was the Sign that I have tapped into the Raw Consciousness that Reality was designed from. I am not here to encourage or discourage anyone. Cos I know not everyone has the time and fearlessness to dive into places that Angels fear to thread. I am afraid, not many will earn their sovereignty enough to be left un-bothered.

Freedom is earned, not given.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by pressplay411(op): 8:17am On Jul 30, 2018
TimeMachine:
There are billions of Gods if not more. Always remember that. What ever nomenclature you want to use, always remember that Divine Spirit is not a being. The Creator is not a Being also. These are where religions have confusions. They just throw words around and confuse their members.

You will have to step outside religions to begin your journey. That is a great hindrance. You must take the narrow way. Religion is the broad way that you were warned against. You need Spirituality, not Religion. It is an individual journey. No one can do it for you. I wish you luck.
Honestly I marvel at your knowledge being a philomath myself.
I do not want us to argue but you have the concept but absent Christ the foundation you're operating on is not solid enough.
While your ideology could produce some level of results, it's not capable to save your soul, which is the most important.
I was still an atheist just a year ago so I can relate. I have experienced both ends of the spectrum and what I found is only Christ provides Peace of Mind and Life.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Nobody: 8:26am On Jul 30, 2018
pressplay411:
Honestly I marvel at your knowledge being a philomath myself.
I do not want us to argue but you have the concept but absent Christ the foundation you're operating on is not solid enough.
While your ideology could produce some level of results, it's not capable to save your soul, which is the most important.
I was still an atheist just a year ago so I can relate. I have experienced both ends of the spectrum and what I found is only Christ provides Peace of Mind and Life.
You are presently confused, and I mean it in the most realistic way. Jesus already promised you a place in his Father's Mansion, right ? If that satisfies you, then by all means be a sheep to Jesus.

Most Christians are ignorant of the fact that Jesus was not a Christian himself, and will never be. That is because Christ is a level of Consciousness, a Title. A consciousness I have crossed and around my head glows the halo crown of Christ Consciousness, so how can I become a sheep to a consciousness level I have surpassed, which is like a barge of a warrior of my once upon a time adventure. Even the word Christ Consciousness is an adulteration, by the Luciferans of the Cosmic Consciousness of our Solar System ?

When you achieve Cosmic Consciousness, you are directly connected to the Sun, in Christianity, it was twisted to Son, instead of Sun. No one goes outside the Solar System to the next level without going through the Portals, and the Sun is the GateWay Star, so you now know the meaning of no one goes to the father except through the Son. The Sun is the Light of the World......compare with Son is the Light of the World in Christianism. It is all stories and parables.

We are in a real world here, not some mental conjectures. If it is not Scientifically making sense, it is a figment of imagination, so religions promote imaginations.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 8:43am On Jul 30, 2018
TimeMachine:
Yahweh is not Almighty God my friend, he is a coded aspect of Lucifer, the Metatron AI Solid State Entity is itself nicked Yahweh Virus. Yahweh and the rest of the archetypes are a part of the Luciferan Dynasty. They own this place. This is their territory. You have no idea how intelligent Lucifer is, my friend. He invented all the Religions including Christianity, Islam even the New Age movement.

The Truth is a narrow streak. It was not meant to be known. When I figured out my chances, and how slim it was, I was hopeless. The only thing that gave me comfort was God Realization, it was the Sign that I have tapped into the Raw Consciousness that Reality was designed from. I am not here to encourage or discourage anyone. Cos I know not everyone has the time and fearlessness to dive into places that Angels fear to thread. I am afraid, not many will earn their sovereignty enough to be left un-bothered.

Freedom is earned, not given.
And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. wink
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Nobody: 9:13am On Jul 30, 2018
Maamin:
And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. wink
Freedom is hard, cos Truth is rare. Everything is a lie. The Truth is really really hard to know. Very few can handle the truth. Truth sounds crazy.

For example, if you are told that the entire landscape of Earth we walk on, are Corpse of Giant Animals, Giant Trees and Giant Humans that lived once upon a time, some taller than Mt Everest, does it not sound crazy ? Yet that is the Truth. We live on the petrified corpse of giants that died on the great flood. Our present size is as tiny as ants, and I mean this literally and in truth. We are like Ants, compared to the sizes of the Giants that once lived and walked this plane. Do your findings even with google earth and you will be shocked.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by IndustryEight: 10:59am On Jul 30, 2018
TimeMachine:
You are presently confused, and I mean it in the most realistic way. Jesus already promised you a place in his Father's Mansion, right ? If that satisfies you, then by all means be a sheep to Jesus.

Most Christians are ignorant of the fact that Jesus was not a Christian himself, and will never be. That is because Christ is a level of Consciousness, a Title. A consciousness I have crossed and around my head glows the halo crown of Christ Consciousness, so how can I become a sheep to a consciousness level I have surpassed, which is like a barge of a warrior of my once upon a time adventure. Even the word Christ Consciousness is an adulteration, by the Luciferans of the Cosmic Consciousness of our Solar System ?

When you achieve Cosmic Consciousness, you are directly connected to the Sun, in Christianity, it was twisted to Son, instead of Sun. No one goes outside the Solar System to the next level without going through the Portals, and the Sun is the GateWay Star, so you now know the meaning of no one goes to the father except through the Son. The Sun is the Light of the World......compare with Son is the Light of the World in Christianism. It is all stories and parables.

We are in a real world here, not some mental conjectures. If it is not Scientifically making sense, it is a figment of imagination, so religions promote imaginations.
have missed you sir!
Yet you don't reply my mentions.

Please I would really love to know where to start from, this journey to attain expanded consciousness.

Should I start from the Epsom salt and Apple cider vinegar you prescribed sometime ago, or the Vegan diet plan?

Please sir, I really wanna move from here, I have dropped religion and most of its beliefs. some people see me as a madman sef.

I would love to know what's next?

Thank you sir. Once again I have missed you!
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by pressplay411(op): 11:20am On Jul 30, 2018
TimeMachine:
You are presently confused, and I mean it in the most realistic way. Jesus already promised you a place in his Father's Mansion, right ? If that satisfies you, then by all means be a sheep to Jesus.

Most Christians are ignorant of the fact that Jesus was not a Christian himself, and will never be. That is because Christ is a level of Consciousness, a Title. A consciousness I have crossed and around my head glows the halo crown of Christ Consciousness, so how can I become a sheep to a consciousness level I have surpassed, which is like a barge of a warrior of my once upon a time adventure. Even the word Christ Consciousness is an adulteration, by the Luciferans of the Cosmic Consciousness of our Solar System ?

When you achieve Cosmic Consciousness, you are directly connected to the Sun, in Christianity, it was twisted to Son, instead of Sun. No one goes outside the Solar System to the next level without going through the Portals, and the Sun is the GateWay Star, so you now know the meaning of no one goes to the father except through the Son. The Sun is the Light of the World......compare with Son is the Light of the World in Christianism. It is all stories and parables.

We are in a real world here, not some mental conjectures. If it is not Scientifically making sense, it is a figment of imagination, so religions promote imaginations.
I was led to this. Please be open to read this. There have been greater, wiser, more powerful men than us all. Let's learn from them. Taking the position of God is the height of sin. Take my humble advice and be humble before Him.

29 At the end of the twelve months he was walking about the royal palace of Babylon. 30 The king spoke, saying, “Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for a royal dwelling by my mighty power and for the honor of my majesty?”

31 While the word was still in the king’s mouth, a voice fell from heaven: “King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is spoken: the kingdom has departed from you! 32 And they shall drive you from men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. They shall make you eat grass like oxen; and seven times shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses.”

33 That very hour the word was fulfilled concerning Nebuchadnezzar; he was driven from men and ate grass like oxen; his body was wet with the dew of heaven till his hair had grown like eagles’ feathers and his nails like birds’ claws.

Nebuchadnezzar Praises God
34 And at the end of the time I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my understanding returned to me; and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever:

For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
And His kingdom is from generation to generation.
35 All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, “What have You done?”

36 At the same time my reason returned to me, and for the glory of my kingdom, my honor and splendor returned to me. My counselors and nobles resorted to me, I was restored to my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added to me. 37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the King of heaven, all of whose works are truth, and His ways justice. And those who walk in pride He is able to put down.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:44am On Jul 30, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
The meaning of the word God, carries the import that
God, is the Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence Self-Existing being cant be boxed up.

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
"
- James 1:27

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means
caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you.
"
- James 1:27

James 1:27 provides useful and interesting information on the type of religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless
James 1:27, clearly specifies, what genuine, authentic and faultless religion is

Well, actually, the word "religion" has changed its meaning from originally being benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need.

Yup, compassion cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age etcetera
I doubt you've ever asked about someone's belief or unbelief first before giving your compassion?

If anyone wants to do religion, then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless

Whatever the front,
the truth and fact is, what is fronted as pure and faultless religion in today's world, isnt it

Religion that is pure and faultless, is about not, how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance,
Religion that is pure and faultless, is not, about wearing hijab or burka
Before what the world has become today, a priest & levite (i.e. "church" worker) had been known to slip up on what pure and faultless religion is

Anything less than practising pure and faultless religion, is not true and so thereby is false religion
Giving to the poor, widows and orphans cannot save you or put you right with God. Even the Pharisees did that. The pharisees followed every part to the law to the uttermost. They prayed to God, tithe, fasted, gave to the poor. They even left grains in their farms for widows...

If doing good was all you need to be right with God, the Jesus wouldn't have died. God would simply have said "whoever doeth good deeds and giveth to the poor and orphans and widows shall not perish but have everlasting life". But no that's not what God wants "he wants you to believe in Jesus and you will not perish but have everlasting life." Jh 3:16.

According to Jesus in John 6:29, the work of the father is this; to believe in the One He has sent.

Acts 10:1-48 tells us about a man named Cornelius. According to the Bible Cornelius and his household were "devout and God-fearing...gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly" but his acts of good works could not save him. God acknowledged this works of his and didn't wanted it to be wasted. So he sent for Peter to preach about Christ to Cornelius and his household. Cornelius believed and then he was saved. My brother, if Cornelius had not believed and he kept on doing his good works, he'd have died and gone to hell.

Now I'm not preaching against doing good works of Love. I do give whenever I can. The Bible clearly admonishes us believers to do good to others and give to them. To love our neighbors as ourselves. But if you do all this righteous deeds without believing in Jesus Christ you're not in right standing with God. Remember, "the righteous of man is as a filthy rags to God".
Jesus is the righteousness of God. The only way to be at right standing and faultless with God is through Christ and Christ alone.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:52am On Jul 30, 2018
TimeMachine:
There are billions of Gods if not more. Always remember that. What ever nomenclature you want to use, always remember that Divine Spirit is not a being. The Creator is not a Being also. These are where religions have confusions. They just throw words around and confuse their members.

You will have to step outside religions to begin your journey. That is a great hindrance. You must take the narrow way. Religion is the broad way that you were warned against. You need Spirituality, not Religion. It is an individual journey. No one can do it for you. I wish you luck.
The funniest thing about this is that you guys will want to use the Bible to preach this devilish ideology of yours. The broad way the Bible talked about are those other ways (including this way of yours) man thinks can get him to God or get him saved. Jesus is the narrow way in the sense that, it is only through Him and Him alone that you can get to God. Apart from Jesus you'll never see or know God.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 11:56am On Jul 30, 2018
Perfectbeing:
Giving to the poor, widows and orphans cannot save you or put you right with God.
Even the Pharisees did that.
The pharisees followed every part to the law to the uttermost.
They prayed to God, tithe, fasted, gave to the poor.
They even left grains in their farms for widows...

If doing good was all you need to be right with God, the Jesus wouldn't have died. God would simply have said "whoever doeth good deeds and giveth to the poor and orphans and widows shall not perish but have everlasting life".
But no that's not what God wants "he wants you to believe in Jesus and you will not perish but have everlasting life." Jh 3:16.

According to Jesus in John 6:29, the work of the father is this; to believe in the One He has sent.

Acts 10:1-48 tells us about a man named Cornelius. According to the Bible Cornelius and his household were "devout and God-fearing...gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly" but his acts of good works could not save him.
God acknowledged this works of his and didn't wanted it to be wasted.
So he sent for Peter to preach about Christ to Cornelius and his household.

Cornelius believed and then he was saved.
My brother, if Cornelius had not believed and he kept on doing his good works, he'd have died and gone to hell.

Now I'm not preaching against doing good works of Love. I do give whenever I can.
The Bible clearly admonishes us believers to do good to others and give to them.
To love our neighbors as ourselves.
But if you do all this righteous deeds without believing in Jesus Christ you're not in right standing with God.
Remember, "the righteous of man is as a filthy rags to God".
Jesus is the righteousness of God.
The only way to be at right standing and faultless with God is through Christ and Christ alone.
Can you please quote James 1:27 here
to see what it says about religion that is true, pure and faultless before God's eye?
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:12pm On Jul 30, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Can you please quote James 1:27 here
to see what it says about religion that is true, pure and faultless before God's eye?
Can you quote John 3:16, 14:6, Heb 4:15
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by OneJ: 12:19pm On Jul 30, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Trinity peddlers and/or any with vested interest in it, can look out for each other

4However, when God our Savior made his kindness and love for humanity appear,
5he saved us, but not because of anything we had done to gain his approval.
Instead, because of his mercy he saved us through the washing in which the Holy Spirit gives us new birth and renewal.
6God poured a generous amount of the Spirit on us through Jesus Christ our Savior.

- Titus 3:4-6

Are you surprised over 1 Corinthians 15:27, John 17:2, Titus 3:4-6 et al?
Who, in all, who when the chips were down, did the donkey work OneJ?
Who wept?
Who, in the thick of our mess, gave up blood, sweat and tears? Hmm?
Does Jesus then, deserve or not deserve, being given these numerous accolades?

In the same Isaiah 9:6 where the Lamb is addressed as Prince,
the titles: "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" were also used for Jesus
Were such titles "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" ever addressed to Almighty God at anytime? Yes !!

But Yeshua answered and said to them:
“Timeless truth I tell you:
The Son cannot do anything of his own will,
but the thing that he sees The Father is doing;
for those things that The Father does,
these also The Son does like him.

- John 5:19

OneJ, of course, the Lamb is a subordinate.
Equally too, the Lamb, is an Angel. Sent on a mission. Answerable to God

PMB, the ordinary man, is a subordinate, compared to/with, PMB, the President
Both are one person, one man, same man, with a changing situation at a particular time

OneJ, here a few questions, I'll like you to honestly answer:
1/ If you agree that God is Spirit, and accept that God is someone or something that cannot be seen
how would you be able to manage tell what is it and who is it, on the throne?
2/ What image, visually do you expect, is to be projected,
in order for you to understand & your eyes to see, this someone or something on the throne?

Its MuttleyLaff by the way and not Mutteylaff, there are two ls and not one l, in the moniker
MuttleyLaff, your correction is noted. Thanks.
U agreed that "the lamb is subordinate" ,therefore," the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world", Jesus Christ (John 1:29) ,"the unblemished & spotless Lamb" (1pet1:18,19. Rev5:6) is subordinate to God Almighty, his Father,who gave him authority & power etc (John 17:2).

MuttleyLaff, contrary to your claims, the Lamb is not God Almighty himself.
"The kings of the earth.. called to the mountains 'fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne (The Father) and from the wrath of the lamb ( Jesus)!. For the great day of THEIR wrath has come...." Rev5:15-17.

"Salvation belong to our God who sits on the throne, and to the lamb" Rev7:9.
They are separate entities.

Your analogy to PMB & the office of President is very weak.
God Almighty,Jehovah himself is Supreme,beyond par excellence. Therefore, not accountable to any subordinate. But "Christ is of God " subject to his Father. 1cor 3:23.

Your brain & heart no go agree. But your eyes see the truth... Lols
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Nobody: 12:19pm On Jul 30, 2018
IndustryEight:
have missed you sir!
Yet you don't reply my mentions.

Please I would really love to know where to start from, this journey to attain expanded consciousness.

Should I start from the Epsom salt and Apple cider vinegar you prescribed sometime ago, or the Vegan diet plan?

Please sir, I really wanna move from here, I have dropped religion and most of its beliefs. some people see me as a madman sef.

I would love to know what's next?

Thank you sir. Once again I have missed you!
You do not have to discuss your findings with people around you, not even family, ofcourse they will think you are crazy for being different or even thinking different.

Separate your material life from your spiritual life. Your spiritual life is the narrow way, your individual lane. You need you there, and no one else, except your Higher Self, the real you that knows Everything.

Your material life is where you need everyone to make a living, live great, love and play and carry out your lifestyle that sustains you on the physical world.

Once you have structured these two aspects of your life, then your Spiritual Life must use religious books as reference materials, all religious books, do not be biased and do not become gullible, do not believe anything even the ones in the Holy Books and do not believe me.

Use the internet, it is the physical comparison of the Akashic record, just research on what questions you have online and do not believe it also except proven to be right by Physical, Chemical and Biological Laws of Creation, and when you have doubts in any elements of science, research it thoroughly. Until you find authorities in Sciences are on independent researches. Those dedicated scientists are sincere. Sponsored researchers tailor their findings to meet the expectations of their sponsors, those kinds of Science are also a religion. So, yes there is Religion in Science also, when they make laws that are proven wrong by independent researchers, they tend to hide the truth too, cos Lucifer himself is one of the most clever beings, he knows Everything, yes. So they know how to twist things.

It will take you years, but make sure your financial enterprises are not sacrificed on the alter of this research, because in the end, you will understand that Money is a necessity to carry out your Soul Mission. I personally love money more than anyone else, and I know exactly why I should not depend on money, it is just a messenger that transmutes creative ideas into Material Realities, so it is very very important to master your money making craft.

If you do not have money, please stop the research and start making money first, it is necessary to be wealthy and happy. But as long as you can combine both, that is what makes you a genius. As you navigate deeply, your internal guiding system will direct you to opportunities to enrich yourself, except you want to use what you know to influence decision, mind control your associates and make something out of nothing, it is all allowed as long as you do not worship nothing or sign soul contracts that will further imprison your soul on the lower planes.

Read everything and I mean everything, and study everything and I mean everything. As you expand your knowledge and understanding, your brain will expand and your neurotransmission when it reaches the thresholds will activate your DNA connectivity to Sound Current, once that happens, your Light will shine on the ether and you will be located by the Light beings from the other side.

They will come to you, when your light of knowledge shines. You are never alone, but let them see your colors so know your brainwave level. And tailor your desires based on your researches. These are beings like you and me. Do not ever be afraid. Death is not what we think, though it is the mother of all fears, when you defeat that fear, then all other fears disappear.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Nobody: 12:21pm On Jul 30, 2018
Perfectbeing:
The funniest thing about this is that you guys will want to use the Bible to preach this devilish ideology of yours. The broad way the Bible talked about are those other ways (including this way of yours) man thinks can get him to God or get him saved. Jesus is the narrow way in the sense that, it is only through Him and Him alone that you can get to God. Apart from Jesus you'll never see or know God.
Congrats.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Nobody: 12:23pm On Jul 30, 2018
OneJ:
MuttleyLaff, your correction is noted. Thanks.
U agreed that "the lamb is subordinate" ,therefore," the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world", Jesus Christ (John 1:29) ,"the unblemished & spotless Lamb" (1pet1:18,19. Rev5:6) is subordinate to God Almighty, his Father,who gave him authority & power etc (John 17:2).

MuttleyLaff, contrary to your claims, the Lamb is not God Almighty himself.
"The kings of the earth.. called to the mountains 'fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne (The Father) and from the wrath of the lamb ( Jesus)!. For the great day of THEIR wrath has come...." Rev5:15-17.

"Salvation belong to our God who sits on the throne, and to the lamb" Rev7:9.
They are separate entities.

Your analogy to PMB & the office of President is very weak.
God Almighty,Jehovah himself is Supreme,beyond par excellence. Therefore, not accountable to any subordinate. But "Christ is of God " subject to his Father. 1cor 3:23.

Your brain & heart no go agree. But your eyes see the truth... Lols
So.......

How is all these working out for you ?

If your religion answers all of your life questions and you are satisfied with it, by all means you are in a much safer place. We would not come to your church to turn the tables, even though Jesus did. And we know he was not a Christian.

But this is internet, and we can type our perspectives. We did not expect you to read them, Sir.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 12:56pm On Jul 30, 2018
OneJ:
MuttleyLaff, your correction is noted. Thanks.
U agreed that "the lamb is subordinate" ,therefore," the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world", Jesus Christ (John 1:29) ,"the unblemished & spotless Lamb" (1pet1:18,19. Rev5:6) is subordinate to God Almighty, his Father,who gave him authority & power etc (John 17:2).

MuttleyLaff, contrary to your claims, the Lamb is not God Almighty himself.
"The kings of the earth.. called to the mountains 'fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne (The Father) and from the wrath of the lamb ( Jesus)!. For the great day of THEIR wrath has come...." Rev5:15-17.

"Salvation belong to our God who sits on the throne, and to the lamb" Rev7:9.
They are separate entities.

Your analogy to PMB & the office of President is very weak.
God Almighty,Jehovah himself is Supreme,beyond par excellence. Therefore, not accountable to any subordinate. But "Christ is of God " subject to his Father. 1cor 3:23.

Your brain & heart no go agree. But your eyes see the truth... Lols
Is your word not subordinate to you?
Who does the uttering, you or your word?

OneJ, answer those earlier two simple questions in my previous post too now
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by OneJ: 2:17pm On Jul 30, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Is your word not subordinate to you?
Who does the uttering, you or your word?

OneJ, answer those earlier two simple questions in my previous post too now
"...his name is the word of God' Rev 19:13.
Jesus the word simply means that he (Christ) is God's spokesman or Public Relations Officer ,so to say. (Just like Moses, Joshua, Amos etc before Christ).

"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways but in these last days, HE has spoken to us through his son whom HE appointed heir of all things & THROUGH whom HE made the universe".

" ...I do nothing on my own but SPEAK JUST WHAT THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME" John 8:28.

My Oga, this one no be rocket science. .

PS: I thought I had given my response in my previous reply. Pls kindly repost it.
Shalom.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 3:05pm On Jul 30, 2018
OneJ:
"...his name is the word of God' Rev 19:13.
Jesus the word simply means that he (Christ) is God's spokesman or Public Relations Officer ,so to say. (Just like Moses, Joshua, Amos etc before Christ).

"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways but in these last days, HE has spoken to us through his son whom HE appointed heir of all things & THROUGH whom HE made the universe".

" ...I do nothing on my own but SPEAK JUST WHAT THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME" John 8:28.

My Oga, this one no be rocket science. .

PS: I thought I had given my response in my previous reply. Pls kindly repost it.
Shalom.
OneJ, here are the few questions asked that you left previously unanswered.

I'll like you now to honestly answer them with bonus additional ones:

1/ If you agree that God is Spirit, and accept that God is someone or something that cannot be seen
how would you be able to manage tell what is it and who is it, on the throne?
2/ What image, visually do you expect, is to be projected,
in order for you to understand & your eyes to see, this someone or something on the throne?

Bonus questions:
What came first between the Word and Jesus Christ?
If you're married, what came first between you the bachelor and the husband?
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by pressplay411(op): 3:18pm On Jul 30, 2018
TimeMachine:
I have no idea what that means though, because the word God, does not do justice to the Intelligence Infinity, The Creator. There is so much confusion in the world today, because of Religions. They mess things up for Humanity. There is a lot I can say about this, but I dont wanna through some light on Lucifer and how he got all the Religions in place. All religions and I mean all, were set up by him.

Truth is that Allah is God, Jehovah is God yet they are controlled by a Solid State AI, Metatron owned by guess who ? Lucifer. But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days, he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel. And even declared that he is Almighty God. So, I assume when you mentioned God, it is Jehovah you were referring to. There are many Gods my friend, and your Mission on Earth is to clean your Temple and go through the Dark Nights of Soul to purge out all your Karma and become God Realized. When you experience what being God feels like, even for 2 minutes in your life time. The entire creation will open up before you.

It goes beyond religions and the Sciences. It is a step further than that.
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. - 1 Timothy 4:1-3

But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. - 1 Timothy 4:7-8

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. -John 17:3-5
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:29pm On Jul 30, 2018
OneJ:
"...his name is the word of God' Rev 19:13.
Jesus the word simply means that he (Christ) is God's spokesman or Public Relations Officer ,so to say. (Just like Moses, Joshua, Amos etc before Christ).

"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways but in these last days, HE has spoken to us through his son whom HE appointed heir of all things & THROUGH whom HE made the universe".

" ...I do nothing on my own but SPEAK JUST WHAT THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME" John 8:28.

My Oga, this one no be rocket science. .

PS: I thought I had given my response in my previous reply. Pls kindly repost it.
Shalom.
Not once were the people you mentioned ( Moses, Joshua, Amos or the prophets) called the "Word of God" They weren't with God in the beginning. Neither are they begotten from God. Jesus is more than merely a spokesman or a PRO to God. He is the fullness in God in bodily form. Abraham, Moses and the prophets of old were merely spokesmen of God who doesn't deserve worship, honour and praise. Jesus deserve, worship and praise and honour.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:32pm On Jul 30, 2018
pressplay411:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. - 1 Timothy 4:1-3

But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. - 1 Timothy 4:7-8

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. -John 17:3-5
I like that. You just said the word outta my mouth
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:39pm On Jul 30, 2018
Some people keep uttering words they clearly don't know. "Even Jesus is not a Christian". Does that make any sense at all. Does Jesus need to be a Christian before he should be worshipped. What exactly is the meaning of "Christian" or "Christianity". It's just like saying "God did not serve God, so we shouldn't serve God"

And also someone said God requires human sacrifice. Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible...
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff:
Perfectbeing:
Some people keep uttering words they clearly don't know. "Even Jesus is not a Christian". Does that make any sense at all. Does Jesus need to be a Christian before he should be worshipped. What exactly is the meaning of "Christian" or "Christianity". It's just like saying "God did not serve God, so we shouldn't serve God"
And also someone said God requires human sacrifice. Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible...
God required the perfect human sacrifice.

The challenge is how can anyone possibly get hold of the perfect human sacrifice.

Have you heard of the saying, that,
if you want something done well,
if you want something done perfectly well,
if you want it done to your taste or perfect standard,
you do it yourself.

Guess what happened Perfectbeing, concerning that issue of perfect human sacrifice
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:53pm On Jul 30, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
God required the perfect human sacrifice.

The challenge is how can anyone possibly get hold of the perfect human sacrifice.

Have you heard of the saying, that,
if you want something done well,
if you want something done perfectly well,
if you want it done to your taste or perfect standard,
you do it yourself.

Guess what happened Perfectbeing, concerning that issue of perfect human sacrifice
My quote was a reaction to the statement of 'Timemachine', where he said that "God requires a lot a human sacrifices" . God required only one human sacrifice and not a lot of them.
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:03pm On Jul 30, 2018
Perfectbeing:
My quote was a reaction to the statement of 'Timemachine',
where he said that "God requires a lot a human sacrifices".
God required only one human sacrifice and not a lot of them.
"... But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days,
he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel
"
- Timemachine © 2018

"And also someone said God requires human sacrifice.
Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible..."

- Perfectbeing © 2018

Perfectbeing, Perfectbeing, Perfectbeing.
How many times did I call you?

Never mind,
as what's important is agreeing that God needed only one perfect human sacrifice and not a lot of them

I know Isaac skipped your memory, that's why you said:
"Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible."
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:13pm On Jul 30, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
"... But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days,
he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel
"
- Timemachine © 2018

"And also someone said God requires human sacrifice.
Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible..."

- Perfectbeing © 2018

Perfectbeing, Perfectbeing, Perfectbeing.
How many times did I call you?
Wait I don't get. Did God ask for humans to be sacrificed? And please don't say Isaac. Isaac was not sacrificed. Timemachine said God requires a lot of human sacrifices. How is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross a lot of human sacrifices?
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:23pm On Jul 30, 2018
Perfectbeing:
Wait I don't get. Did God ask for humans to be sacrificed?
And please don't say Isaac.
Isaac was not sacrificed.
"Then God said,
"Take your son, your only son, whom you love--Isaac--and go to the region of Moriah.
Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you."

- Genesis 22:2

I already
You saying, Isaac was not sacrificed, is jumping away from the point

The point, truth and fact is that, God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, as a burnt offering
so why did you then say:
"Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible."

Perfectbeing:
Timemachine said God requires a lot of human sacrifices.
Timemachine says a lot things.
It doesnt mean that what he says is right

Perfectbeing:
How is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross a lot of human sacrifices?
You know what a strawman is, dont you Perfectbeing?
Give it a rest, as one of my biggest pet peeves is strawman
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