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The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 9:31am On Mar 08, 2016 |
The best place to hide something from Negroes is in a book. So I'm certain few will read this, nevertheless,for the few who will, please jump into this masterpiece by Ravi Zacharias a former atheist [url=http://www.fairladyz32.com/downloads/christian/books/Ravi%20Zacharias/Ravi%20Zacharias%20-The%20End%20of%20Reason.pdf]here[/url] 4 Likes 4 Shares
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Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:44am On Mar 08, 2016 |
Atheism is dead : The Logic of God and Everything , end of reason , why are atheists so irrational and slow etc . Apparently , the atheists purported rationality as the reason for their unbelief Downloaded ASAP , thanks sir vooks |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by JackBizzle: 12:36pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
vooks and kingebukasblog, How many books about atheism have you guys read? 1 Like |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 5:38pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
JackBizzle:Several, Hawkins is my favorite. God Delusion to be precise 1 Like |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 5:39pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:Welcome my broda, The militant atheists are the most insecure of their faith. They try to drown their doubts with vitriol. Pathetic 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by McSterling(m): 7:03pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
vooks:Dawkins you mean? |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by analice107: 11:32pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
McSterling:There is Dawkins and there's Hawkins all of them Atheists |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by analice107: 11:35pm On Mar 08, 2016 |
vooks:Pls is there a link to download the book? Will really appreciate it. |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by ValentineMary(m): 12:43am On Mar 09, 2016 |
I find it quite amusing that u generally regard theist as unreasonable and foolish. If ur 5 year old daughter told u she believes power puff girls are real, she is insane but if a 50 year old man believes in flying chariots, he is only keeping his religious legacy. If a man kills because God told him so, you would say it is not possible but when Abraham does it, he is just a man of faith. If Amadioha destroy a little hamlet because they offended him (if Amadioha is real), he is an evil God. But when Yahweh does it in the time of Noah, he had his reasons. We can go on and on to analyze the flaws of religion. And does who try to question the flaws are irrational but does who believe it without any reason to are the rational persons. You really have a weird way of defining things bro. 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 4:40am On Mar 09, 2016 |
analice107:Hi dearest Anas09, The link is on the last word 'here', but here it is http://www.fairladyz32.com/downloads/christian/books/Ravi%20Zacharias/Ravi%20Zacharias%20-The%20End%20of%20Reason.pdf |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 4:44am On Mar 09, 2016 |
McSterling:My bad, I'm ever confusing Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkins. It don't help that one is a militants atheist, and the other a closet atheist(until 2014 I guess) |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 4:46am On Mar 09, 2016 |
[size=1pt] ValentineMary:[/size] Like I said, the best place to hide something from Negroes is in a book. Before you start bloviating, read the book. It's less than 200 pages for heaven sake |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by McSterling(m): 6:51am On Mar 09, 2016 |
analice107:Hawking, not Hawkins. |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 6:54am On Mar 09, 2016 |
McSterling:A Nobel awaits you for splitting hairs 1 Like |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by McSterling(m): 7:00am On Mar 09, 2016 |
vooks:Forgive my pedantry. |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by McSterling(m): 7:01am On Mar 09, 2016 |
vooks:But really, I think I deserve a Nobel prize in pedantry. First of its kind. 1 Like |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:21am On Mar 09, 2016 |
vooks: Very pathetic indeed . Plus they are very close-minded 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 11:19am On Mar 09, 2016 |
McSterling:Read the book |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by McSterling(m): 11:38am On Mar 09, 2016 |
vooks:I will. |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by vooks: 11:48am On Mar 09, 2016 |
McSterling:Thank you. Please share your thoughts on the same as soon as you are done. |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by Oluwaseytiano(m): 5:56pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
ValentineMary:Bloody Brilliant Ma'am 2 Likes |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:11pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Oluwaseytiano: ... Seriously you called that brilliant ... as in B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T I think he is the 5 year old he was talking about . ##The Logic of God and EVERYTHING |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by Oluwaseytiano(m): 6:44pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:Yeah. I think if Christians were to sit down and look at the bible, they would see its flaws and laugh at its stories. Nimrod was building a tower and God was afraid it would reach heaven so he changed their language. I wonder y he didn't do the same when the pyramids were built or y he hasn't destroyed the satellites orbiting the earth. A God as merciful has the bible puts it ordering and supporting countless genocide. In the beginning man made religion. It is flawed, a fraud. I believe the world as we know it was created by a supreme being(s), whoever He is, i do not know. BT he is not the fairy tale character from your Bible 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by ValentineMary(m): 6:44pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Oluwaseytiano:No offence but I am male |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by ValentineMary(m): 6:45pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Oluwaseytiano:No offence but I am male |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:47pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Oluwaseytiano: And what existed before the beginning ? And can you show me how God's behaviour precludes His existence ? Do you realise you are not making any sense ? I am talking of the Logic of God and EVERYTHING ... |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by ValentineMary(m): 6:49pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:I have known you to be biased and illogical especially in face of religious discussion. So logic always appears as illogical to the untrained mind. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:49pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
ValentineMary: To pray to God is to admit that you have derailed and need Him to put you on the right track |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by Oluwaseytiano(m): 6:52pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Extracts from an article
THERE’S far too much strife in the world
today. Terrorism plagues the Middle East,
terror raids increase at home, the royal
commission into disturbing sexual abuse is
ongoing and debate rages about wearing the
burqa in public.
And what is the basis of many of these
problems? Religion. Specifically, the fact that
almost all religious movements think they are
(a) always correct, and (b) struggle to coexist
peacefully with rival faiths. Given that these
issues don’t appear to be going away, perhaps
it’s time we gave atheism a try.
Atheism has much going for it that religion
does not. For a start, it does not presume a
supernatural being whose existence can never
be proved. Most of the time when someone
says they believe something to be true,
objective verification is required.
If I laid claim to the title of “Fastest man on
Earth”, for example, the Guinness World
Records wouldn’t simply replace Usain Bolt’s
name with mine in the 100m sprint category.
I’d have to turn up at an athletics track and
test my speed (what there is of it these days)
against the stopwatch. And Mr Bolt would
remain the champion until someone genuinely
faster than him appeared.
So why is religion treated so differently? Why
do we pay special attention to various groups
of priests and people who claim to know both
life’s higher truths and the identity of the One
True God? Why do religions receive tax breaks
not available to others? And irrespective of
how silly a religion’s belief systems are, why
do we need special anti-discrimination laws to
penalise those who refuse to respect such
nonsense?
Much of what appears in holy books like the
Bible, the Torah and the Koran is thousands
of years old. These texts are a mixture of
history, rules for living when law was generally
capricious and primitive beliefs from an age
when science was dimly grasped. I don’t know about you, but I have no desire to
exist as people did when Jesus was born.
There was no modern medicine back then.
Sanitation was poor, people lived short lives,
women routinely died in childbirth and stars
were thought to be pinpricks in the sky
through which God’s holy light shone. It
makes little sense for 21st-century societies to
respect belief systems concocted under such
circumstances. Yet to this day people still
fight each other and demand special
recognition for their own set of religious
principles.
Not that long ago, accepted wisdom held that
the Earth was flat. We now know this to be
untrue, and anyone who states otherwise is
treated as a fool. But if flat-earthism was
treated like religion, we’d still be teaching it in
school.
Another problem religions have is that most
disagree with each other. Christians say that
Jesus was God’s main prophet, while Muslims
bestow that honour on Mohammed.
Meanwhile, Jews argue the true Messiah is yet
to appear.
Atheism isn’t a belief system in itself. All it
says is that those who proclaim the existence
of a god or gods should provide some proof to
back up their claim. In the absence of such
proof, and combined with so many competing
religious ideas, it’s prudent to assume there is
no god and get on with life.
A world run by atheists wouldn’t necessarily
be free from conflict, because aside from
religion there are plenty of reasons people
fight: land, water, food and differing political
ideologies have all been responsible for wars
in the past.
Religious conflicts are particularly difficult,
however, because they’re almost impossible to
solve. The lack of evidence to prove one
system over another means that followers of
one religion rarely admit to others they might
be wrong. Instead, spiritual differences fester
unresolved for hundreds of years.
Because we live in a democracy, religion
neither should nor could be banned. But to
avoid trouble we must reduce the elevated
status it presently occupies in civil society.
First, unless they are undertaking valuable
charitable works, religions should be stripped
of the various tax breaks they enjoy. This
means, among other things, that churches
should pay land tax to state governments —
just as do most other property owners.
Second, there should not be any official
religion in a country like Australia, whose
inhabitants believe in many different things.
Because our head of state, Queen Elizabeth II,
also leads the Church of England, we’ll soon
need to perform some constitutional tinkering.
Third, no politician or witness in court should
swear on a holy book to either do a good job
or tell the truth. If someone’s word is suspect,
then no grasping of an ancient tome will
increase their trustworthiness. If people must
swear on something, then they should do so
to the Commonwealth of Australia. This is an
entity that, after all, means a great deal to
millions of people who possess very different
spiritual beliefs.
Finally, stop placing the opinions of religious
leaders above those of (presumably) lesser
beings. Just because someone has advanced
through a male-dominated hierarchy via
interpretation of the scriptures, they shouldn’t
have a public platform from which to lecture
others.
Religion should be treated as a private affair
people are free to join or leave as they please.
It should not be regarded as a font of wisdom
and should be subject to the same analysis
and criticisms as other beliefs. Atheists don’t
know the secrets of the universe. But they
accept that research and science are better
ways of discovering such matters than
obscure texts in very old books.
Before you dismiss me as small-minded, the
moment a Christian, Muslim or Jew presents
me with proof of God, I’ll convert to religion.
Until then I’ll remain a sceptical nonbeliever. |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:52pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
ValentineMary: And the trained mind haven't yet understood the Logic of God and Everything Why are you so irrational ... its pathetic I show predilection for Christianity because it is logical to do so |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by Oluwaseytiano(m): 6:54pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:Am not making sense? Talk about slow and close-minded 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The End Of Reason:A Response To The New Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:57pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
Oluwaseytiano: Close minded ? I believe in the immaterial realm and you have refused to accept its existence obdurately and I am the close - minded one ? Why are you so irrational ? |
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