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ugo4u:
Aerial refueling? na Canada we wan strike? lol. On a serious note even our Chinese F7s can strike any part of Chad, Cameroon,Niger etc from any base in Adamawa or Borno.

An aircraft carrier would have made more sense, but which water we wan station the carrier and most importantly which money we wan take buy am, when to buy aircraft na wahala.

Wow!

lionel4power:
Wow!

This one weigh me. Some Analyst for this forum sef.

Field0Marshall:
Do N.A allow soldiers who can afford private gear(like pistols and night vision) to use them on battlefield.

Pistol, where do you get it from? Nvg yes but it's expensive to guy too so just focus on it.

A collegue has one. Most units operate nvg but not all soldiers. It depends of mission requirements etc.

ugo4u:
Aerial refueling? na Canada we wan strike? lol. On a serious note even our Chinese F7s can strike any part of Chad, Cameroon,Niger etc from any base in Adamawa or Borno. Note the F7 NI has a range of about 800km.
As for mid air refueling I laff again, na for enemy territory you wan refuel. Ask any combat pilot, once he is in an enemy air space, the only thing on his mind is to hit his target and return home while watching out for enemy interceptor/missile simultaneously. An aircraft carrier would have made more sense, but which water we wan station the carrier and most importantly which money we wan take buy am, when to buy aircraft na wahala.

This is funny but my own point about the enemy airspace thing is not that easy.

If you fly a F-7 into Nigeria sef, be sure you'll be intercepted before you make a 50-75km journey. With radar systems looking outside own territory, your whereabouts is being known already.

You need to be able to fly a long time undetected to strike your enemy deep into their territory. alot of things are involved.

1) Range of ammunition as this will reduce how far you need to go into the enemy territory.
2) cutting off enemy capability to intercept your aircraft (targeting airfield)
3) jamming their radar systems.
4) flying extremely low to camofluage or avoid radar detection etc
Can you afford this? It's not logical. These things are not for African nations.

Interception of aircraft into the Nigerian Airspace is less than 10 minutes of no radio contact. F-7 are always ready, this has happened before but victims are either commercial aircraft who are unable to respond to atc

allexpensive:
This is funny but my own point about the enemy airspace thing is not that easy.

If you fly a F-7 into Nigeria sef, be sure you'll be intercepted before you make a 50-75km journey. With radar systems looking outside own territory, your whereabouts is being known already.

You need to be able to fly a long time undetected to strike your enemy deep into their territory. alot of things are involved.

1) Range of ammunition as this will reduce how far you need to go into the enemy territory.
2) cutting off enemy capability to intercept your aircraft (targeting airfield)
3) jamming their radar systems.
4) flying extremely low to camofluage or avoid radar detection etc
Can you afford this? It's not logical. These things are not for African nations.

Interception of aircraft into the Nigerian Airspace is less than 10 minutes of no radio contact. F-7 are always ready, this has happened before but victims are either commercial aircraft who are unable to respond to atc

wow!! impressive. I never knew our NAF have being involved in an interception mission b4. The Royal airforce with her Typhoon aircraft can reach any stray aircraft anywhere in British airspace in a matter of minutes. The Russians occasionally stray into there territory as they usually do near Alaska to test their reaction time etc. But do you think our F 7 can intercept high performance civilian aircraft like her Majesty ( The Concord) which cruises at about 60000ft at 2179km/hr(Mach 1.8 ) with a range of almost 7000km.
And boss lest I forget, What if a non aviator in the NAF e.g I.T personnel or Admin personally fund his flight training, is it an automatic ticket to switch over to the aviation wing(To fly birds depending on the license).
2) Why does NAF only send Officers for pilot training?
3) There was this airman( Corporal) that personnel funded his flight training in IHFS though I didn't keep track of him, the military instructors then, whispered amongst themselves when he came for registration that he would be elevated to the Offr cadre upon earning his wings, is this possible.
Thanks for your insightful contributions.

allexpensive:
This is funny but my own point about the enemy airspace thing is not that easy.

If you fly a F-7 into Nigeria sef, be sure you'll be intercepted before you make a 50-75km journey. With radar systems looking outside own territory, your whereabouts is being known already.

You need to be able to fly a long time undetected to strike your enemy deep into their territory. alot of things are involved.

1) Range of ammunition as this will reduce how far you need to go into the enemy territory.
2) cutting off enemy capability to intercept your aircraft (targeting airfield)
3) jamming their radar systems.
4) flying extremely low to camofluage or avoid radar detection etc
Can you afford this? It's not logical. These things are not for African nations.

Interception of aircraft into the Nigerian Airspace is less than 10 minutes of no radio contact. F-7 are always ready, this has happened before but victims are either commercial aircraft who are unable to respond to atc

lol, reminds of this movie. olumpus has fallen.
Those two f16s tried intercepting that laser guided aircraft in the American airspace, only to be bulldozed by it and beaten blue-black by that single aircraft (forgotten its name, and would like to know).
Only for the USA airforce to send in another f16 which this time around, maintained a clear distance and was firing missiles from the back of the aircraft.
The missiles were shielded by the aircraft concurrently, whilst unleashing mayhem to the citizens, guards and security of the white house.
When it's shield Armour must have been exhausted, the one missile from f16 luckily hit it and it dissembled the Almighty aircraft..
So these things happen real life? ..
The aircraft in question is something like this(don't know whether it's it)

Now if f16 didn't hold its own against this, how will f7 fare ?
Mehn we need to upgrade big time

Fg

Kl

krattoss:
lol, reminds of this movie. olumpus has fallen.
Those two f16s tried intercepting that laser guided aircraft in the American airspace, only to be bulldozed by it and beaten blue-black by that single aircraft (forgotten its name, and would like to know).
Only for the USA airforce to send in another f16 which this time around, maintained a clear distance and was firing missiles from the back of the aircraft.
The missiles were shielded by the aircraft concurrently, whilst unleashing mayhem to the citizens, guards and security of the white house.
When it's shield Armour must have been exhausted, the one missile from f16 luckily hit it and it dissembled the Almighty aircraft..
So these things happen real life? ..
The aircraft in question is something like this(don't know whether it's it)

Now if f16 didn't hold its own against this, how will f7 fare ?
Mehn we need to upgrade big time

It the video was a F22. it's a movie and in a real life situation, there are ways of intercepting an aircraft.

The two aircraft flying side by side with the gunship isn't realistic. One should be at the back even if there's need to fly side by side.

The movie is actually unrealistic itself. Most of the military movies I have seen are so unreal.

There's a particular movie where 4-6 US SF attacked a base of over 200-300 soldiers and we're killing with one shots but the African soldiers with several shots fired couldn't hit the American soldiers.

What the heck do you think about us? I know how accurate my shots are. Even officers who are not combat active etc won't miss the targets.

This movies are what makes people think foreign troops will have an easy time taking 3rd world nations out or because of some in needed training always being conducted by their personnel here? They're good soldiers because of the access to equipments and hardware.

Nigeria SOF troops are now also tasked with training after leaving NE. We're talking about experience here and we have troops in large numbers with it.

allexpensive:
Pistol, where do you get it from? Nvg yes but it's expensive to guy too so just focus on it.

A collegue has one. Most units operate nvg but not all soldiers. It depends of mission requirements etc.

Thank you sir.

allexpensive:
It the video was a F22. it's a movie and in a real life situation, there are ways of intercepting an aircraft.

The two aircraft flying side by side with the gunship isn't realistic. One should be at the back even if there's need to fly side by side.

The movie is actually unrealistic itself. Most of the military movies I have seen are so unreal.

There's a particular movie where 4-6 US SF attacked a base of over 200-300 soldiers and we're killing with one shots but the African soldiers with several shots fired couldn't hit the American soldiers.

What the heck do you think about us? I know how accurate my shots are. Even officers who are not combat active etc won't miss the targets.

This movies are what makes people think foreign troops will have an easy time taking 3rd world nations out or because of some in needed training always being conducted by their personnel here? They're good soldiers because of the access to equipments and hardware.

Nigeria SOF troops are now also tasked with training after leaving NE. We're talking about experience here and we have troops in large numbers with it.

Word!

allexpensive:
It the video was a F22. it's a movie and in a real life situation, there are ways of intercepting an aircraft.

The two aircraft flying side by side with the gunship isn't realistic. One should be at the back even if there's need to fly side by side.

The movie is actually unrealistic itself. Most of the military movies I have seen are so unreal.

There's a particular movie where 4-6 US SF attacked a base of over 200-300 soldiers and we're killing with one shots but the African soldiers with several shots fired couldn't hit the American soldiers.

What the heck do you think about us? I know how accurate my shots are. Even officers who are not combat active etc won't miss the targets.

This movies are what makes people think foreign troops will have an easy time taking 3rd world nations out or because of some in needed training always being conducted by their personnel here? They're good soldiers because of the access to equipments and hardware.

Nigeria SOF troops are now also tasked with training after leaving NE. We're talking about experience here and we have troops in large numbers with it.

thanks for the clarification

krattoss:
lol, reminds of this movie. olumpus has fallen.
Those two f16s tried intercepting that laser guided aircraft in the American airspace, only to be bulldozed by it and beaten blue-black by that single aircraft (forgotten its name, and would like to know).
Only for the USA airforce to send in another f16 which this time around, maintained a clear distance and was firing missiles from the back of the aircraft.
The missiles were shielded by the aircraft concurrently, whilst unleashing mayhem to the citizens, guards and security of the white house.
When it's shield Armour must have been exhausted, the one missile from f16 luckily hit it and it dissembled the Almighty aircraft..
So these things happen real life? ..
The aircraft in question is something like this(don't know whether it's it)

Now if f16 didn't hold its own against this, how will f7 fare ?
Mehn we need to upgrade big time

My brother that is just a movie, those interceptors are F-22A and not F16s in real life that. AC -130 stood no chance against the F-22 . An object with a very big radar cross section signature like AC-130 will find it difficult to escape from the missile(AIM-120). It is also launched from quite close range, retaining much of the potential energy to keep up with all kinds of desperate evasive maneuvers performed by the lumbering gunship plane. Even if the target were a very maneuverable Sukhoi Su-27B3 plus, it still couldn’t have evaded it easily, let alone the AC-130.

allexpensive:
Because of what you haven't heard about the other side doesn't mean things like this are not happening.

Government / Intel agencies proxy. The detection of foreign network signals in terrorist affected areas in the NE. Everyone plays the game.

Our African neighbors too but theirs this stubborn one who's fond of using her own troops as prey for bht.

Not only do we have coin going on, foreign counter intelligence is also present. We laugh, smile together but then we are after each other. The Americans are trying but more of PR. The Trump administration is better than that fellow black man there.


It's all about governance. Alot are going on.. Exchange of foreign fighters etc. The Buhari administration seems to have the francophone speaking neighbors on their neck. Cameroon has a better relationship with Nigeria for now. It's all about interest and not friendship.

The intelligence world is messed up. Government, political interests, we're still Africans except we don't depend on foreign made technology for intelligence then we will match them up.

After all, all I know na to sit down for control and read online too.

As mentioned above by Stephen, some claims are not true.

My,my,my! Ideally,an active or retired French intel guy would confess but that's not how it goes. Its up to us to add up the circumstantial evidence,look at Jean-Fraude's regional MO and connect the dots.

In early 2016 this news came out:

ews Info issued a scarcely credible information, the Cameroonian army might have intercepted a French helicopter at the North of the country providing arms, ammunition and money to the terrorist group affiliated with Daech. Citing as source a Cameroonian politician Banda Kani, national president of the New People’s Movement (NPM).

“You also know that there are two French terrorists who were arrested at the Briqueterie with explosives. […] Another factor is that a helicopter was intercepted in the north of Cameroon depositing arms, ammunition and dollars […] take their loot deposited by the helicopter. “

In support of the facts, they recall that these practices have already been seen during the post-election crisis that was played in Ivory Coast.

https://communityvoiceradio.com/the-cameroonian-army-might-have-intercepted-a-french-helicopter-delivering-weapons-to-boko-haram/

In December,same year a Frenchman was arrested by the NA in Sambisa!

The Nigerian army allegedly arrested a French man during the capture of Boko Haram’s strongest enclave in Sambisa forest last week Friday, December 23......“He was arrested along the Bama axis of the Sambisa forest and agreed to give vital information provided he would be spared. I learnt that he is from France but authorities do not want to make his real identity known for dip[/b]lomatic reasons…They don’t want to jeopardise the success recorded,”the source said.

http://www.nigerianmonitor.com/soldiers-allegedly-arrest-french-man-during-capture-of-sambisa-forest/

Eeben Barlow,the STTEPS founder who trained your 72 Strike Force said:

In some instances, it has been by helicopter delivery to the enemy’s strongholds. [b]We are unaware of any African-based anti-government force that flies around in helicopters,” Barlow said. “The weapons consist mainly of small arms, machine guns, explosives, and shoulder-launched anti-tank systems. However, unless the enemy is totally destroyed, it is only a matter of time before more sophisticated weaponry makes its way into Nigeria.

[url] http://sofrep.com/40700/eeben-barlow-speaks-pt-5-external-drivers-nigerias-war/#ixzz3jcUVtUPD[/url]

IN FACT,HE ADDED FURTHER SAYING:

“Prisoners have told us that Boko Haram is and has been supplied and supported by ‘Europeans’ who have arrived in their safe areas by helicopter.”

Are those Oyinbos,English,Portuguese,Romanians or Aussies?

Also why is AFP reviving Shekau? IIRC,since 2013 they've led the media circus resurrecting him at least 3 times!

At the same time who has destabilised the entire Sahel using proxy terror forces to justify basing their own forces on the ground to 'protect' gold,uranium and oil in Mali,Burkina faso and Chad?

My dude,trust me,Jean-Fraude's slimy hands are all over this poo!!?

kikuyu1

I can't say much on this. I'm not a civilian, giving out unguided information is not allowed as it can be misrepresented as the view of the Nigerian military towards a foreign entity.

So, I have no comment about that.

kikuyu1:
My,my,my! Ideally,an active or retired French intel guy would confess but that's not how it goes. Its up to us to add up the circumstantial evidence,look at Jean-Fraude's regional MO and connect the dots.

In early 2016 this news came out:
https://communityvoiceradio.com/the-cameroonian-army-might-have-intercepted-a-french-helicopter-delivering-weapons-to-boko-haram/

In December,same year a Frenchman was arrested by the NA in Sambisa!


http://www.nigerianmonitor.com/soldiers-allegedly-arrest-french-man-during-capture-of-sambisa-forest/

Eeben Barlow,the STTEPS founder who trained your 72 Strike Force said:
[url] http://sofrep.com/40700/eeben-barlow-speaks-pt-5-external-drivers-nigerias-war/#ixzz3jcUVtUPD[/url]

IN FACT,HE ADDED FURTHER SAYING:

Are those Oyinbos,English,Portuguese,Romanians or Aussies?

Also why is AFP reviving Shekau? IIRC,since 2013 they've led the media circus resurrecting him at least 3 times!

At the same time who has destabilised the entire Sahel using proxy terror forces to justify basing their own forces on the ground to 'protect' gold,uranium and oil in Mali,Burkina faso and Chad?

My dude,trust me,Jean-Fraude's slimy hands are all over this poo!!?

Short Gun !!!
I have been looking for that Barlow's words like die... Thanks man

Where's Lionel4power and his South African fans

nemesis8u:
I will leave it here for info.

Malaysian Su-30MKM operational flight availability ~ 14%

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/07/31/mat-sabu-only-four-out-of-rmaf-28-russian-fighter-jets-can-fly/

So wonder the amount of trouble and money IAF had burn through to ensure 75% peacetime operational availablity of ~230 numbers of Su-30MKI.

Think of 5th world Uganda struggling to service and maintain 3 Sues!

kikuyu1:
Think of 5th world Uganda struggling to service and maintain 3 Sues!

Nigeria will not go for a Su aircraft. There has been several talks about the Migs.

American aircrafts version sold to us will be downgraded. British and French aircrafts are expensive. The Chinese and Russians to the help. We have a very good cooperation with India but it all boils down to how ready the Tejas is and others.

Watched a documentary on the British typhoon, to train one of the pilots cost as much as $8m and it takes about 4years. Me be like WTF $8m to train one typhoon pilot? Are they preparing for Armageddon.
That kind of money will train ten C130 pilots with change.

Jl

allexpensive:
Nigeria will not go for a Su aircraft. There has been several talks about the Migs.

American aircrafts version sold to us will be downgraded. British and French aircrafts are expensive. The Chinese and Russians to the help. We have a very good cooperation with India but it all boils down to how ready the Tejas is and others.

Hmm, this last line. With all due respect, if I was a bolder individual and if I was as well informed on military matters as the others here, i'd be questioning if you are as you claim.

Litmus:
Hmm, this last line. With all due respect, if I was a bolder individual and if I was as well informed on military matters as the others here, i'd be questioning if you are as you claim.

We make use of their equipment that's exactly what I'm trying to say. I'm not talking about military cooperation.

India will be building landing ships for the navy. They provided some equipment being used etc.

Like I said, being a military personnel no mean say I sabi everything. All I'm entitled to know about is my job. As you can see, in one of my post, I posted a picture of a seized military equipment and asked if it belongs to Nigeria. I don't have idea about everything going on except I'm at the top top.

Social media here is to enlighten us.

kikuyu1:
My,my,my! Ideally,an active or retired French intel guy would confess but that's not how it goes. Its up to us to add up the circumstantial evidence,look at Jean-Fraude's regional MO and connect the dots.

In early 2016 this news came out:
https://communityvoiceradio.com/the-cameroonian-army-might-have-intercepted-a-french-helicopter-delivering-weapons-to-boko-haram/

In December,same year a Frenchman was arrested by the NA in Sambisa!


http://www.nigerianmonitor.com/soldiers-allegedly-arrest-french-man-during-capture-of-sambisa-forest/

Eeben Barlow,the STTEPS founder who trained your 72 Strike Force said:
[url] http://sofrep.com/40700/eeben-barlow-speaks-pt-5-external-drivers-nigerias-war/#ixzz3jcUVtUPD[/url]

IN FACT,HE ADDED FURTHER SAYING:

Are those Oyinbos,English,Portuguese,Romanians or Aussies?

Also why is AFP reviving Shekau? IIRC,since 2013 they've led the media circus resurrecting him at least 3 times!

At the same time who has destabilised the entire Sahel using proxy terror forces to justify basing their own forces on the ground to 'protect' gold,uranium and oil in Mali,Burkina faso and Chad?

My dude,trust me,Jean-Fraude's slimy hands are all over this poo!!?

My oh my......

@kikuyu1 where and how did you get these gist and links from

I can remember vividly during black days; 2014-2016 there where rumours also that NAF helicopter also deliver weapons, equipments and other relief materials to BHT.

I wouldn't be surprised if I hear such news

allexpensive:
We make use of their equipment that's exactly what I'm trying to say. I'm not talking about military cooperation.

India will be building landing ships for the navy. They provided some equipment being used etc.

Like I said, being a military personnel no mean say I sabi everything. All I'm entitled to know about is my job. As you can see, in one of my post, I posted a picture of a seized military equipment and asked if it belongs to Nigeria. I don't have idea about everything going on except I'm at the top top.

Social media here is to enlighten us.

We've had so many smart Nigerian military guys grace the two military threads over the years.

However, i can say we have never come across a man as knowledgeable and down to earth as you.

I may not agree with some of your posts but i must say it's always a delight reading your posts. Never to big to say when you are wrong, plus insightful analysis in your comments.

krattoss:
lol, reminds of this movie. olumpus has fallen.
Those two f16s tried intercepting that laser guided aircraft in the American airspace, only to be bulldozed by it and beaten blue-black by that single aircraft (forgotten its name, and would like to know).
Only for the USA airforce to send in another f16 which this time around, maintained a clear distance and was firing missiles from the back of the aircraft.
The missiles were shielded by the aircraft concurrently, whilst unleashing mayhem to the citizens, guards and security of the white house.
When it's shield Armour must have been exhausted, the one missile from f16 luckily hit it and it dissembled the Almighty aircraft..
So these things happen real life? ..
The aircraft in question is something like this(don't know whether it's it)

Now if f16 didn't hold its own against this, how will f7 fare ?
Mehn we need to upgrade big time

That movie was badass even if it wasn't realistic. Saw it more than 10 times.

bidexiii:
My oh my......

@kikuyu1 where and how did you get these gist and links from

I can remember vividly during black days; 2014-2016 there where rumours also that NAF helicopter also deliver weapons, equipments and other relief materials to BHT.

I wouldn't be surprised if I hear such news

That's not correct. Not Nigerian Air Force choppers.

Although there were rumours, all were unsubstantiated.

allexpensive:
Nigeria will not go for a Su aircraft. There has been several talks about the Migs.

American aircrafts version sold to us will be downgraded. British and French aircrafts are expensive. The Chinese and Russians to the help. We have a very good cooperation with India but it all boils down to how ready the Tejas is and others.

Everybody downgrades the exports of aircraft's. Exports version are produced on it own.

SternProphet:
Completely forgot. I will post the pictures I have soon

You need to get over my criticisms about over simplifying and posting "wishful thinking" as fact. Things have a natural way they develop in defence tech based on local capabilities in industry. Capabilities are along the lines of skilled design engineers, fabrication and manufacturing skills , manufacturing equipment available and so on.

Please post the pictures of the MRAPs from Algeria, Ethiopia and Sudan.

Dude, i have followed the activities of Proforce Nigeria since 2013.

I have had correspondence with the team at the company, my comments on the vehicles they make are based on first-hand information received.

Unlike you, i don't post wishful comments or for the fun of typing.

Show us the MRAPs from Sudan, Ethiopia and Algeria. I'm eagerly waiting to see them.

Henry240:
That's not correct. Not Nigerian Air Force choppers.

Although there were rumours, all were unsubstantiated.

That was the rumours I heard then....

bidexiii:
That was the rumours I heard then....

I don't deny there were rumours, I'm only saying they were not NAF aircrafts even in those rumours.

Henry240:
We've had so many smart Nigerian military guys grace the two military threads over the years.

However, i can say we have never come across a man as knowledgeable and down to earth as you.

I may not agree with some of your posts but i must say it's always a delight reading your posts. Never to big to say when you are wrong, plus insightful analysis in your comments.

Me too